Newcastle United, the club that fans of many other clubs say is not a big club, yet the one they can’t stop talking about…
Sky Sports have opened up the wound, yet again.
Newcastle United, and especially the fans, once more put up to be shot down
The broadcaster putting the following out as a tweet, along with a link to hear what the journalists said…
‘Newcastle are a “top six” club and are wasting their potential under the ownership of Mike Ashley, according to the Sunday Supplement panel.’
Of course, it is far too much to expect people to go to the bother of actually listening to what was said.
It was actually Mail on Sunday writer Oliver Holt (read the fuller version of what he said at the bottom) who said on Sunday that ‘Newcastle and Leeds should be top six (in the Premier League) in my opinion, they are great English clubs.’
Oliver Holt is a Stockport fan (as well as one of the top football journalists), not a Newcastle fan.
However, this doesn’t matter for the usual ignorant suspects – fans of so many clubs offering their opinion (Spurs, Arsenal, Middlesbrough, Sunderland and especially Everton supporters), with Newcastle fans having to bring everybody back down to the reality…
These are some of the ‘interesting’ responses to the Sky Sports Tweet:
Everton fan Ian Irvine:
‘Newcastle have finished top 6 25 times in 126 years! If they were a top 6 club then surely that would be considerably higher, even if you take away the Mike Ashley years! Absolute nonsense!’
‘8th in the overall table since premier league started. Take away the mike Ashley years, top 6.’
Everton fan Ian Irvine:
‘Yes, because football started in 1992!’
‘Never said it did. More of a realistic arguement comparing last 26 years than last 100. But if you want to, we can. 9th most successful English club (of all time in terms of trophies), muppet. Get your facts right.’
Everton fan Ian Irvine:
‘So top 9 then?’
‘How many ‘big clubs’ are we allowed in England then Ian? I reckon you’re gonna say 6 (Everton have sixth most trophies in all time list!)…….’
Get Out Of Our Club:
‘Love it when someone checks facts on PL years, realises it doesn’t suit their agenda so decides to make it about 100+ years of league football.’
(NUFC fan) Nathan:
‘Top 10 yes, top 8 maybe, top 6 no.’
‘13 years before mike ashley, 2nd, 5th, 2nd, 4th 2 cup finals and every season in europe…since mike Ashley 1 season in europe, 5th finish 2 relegations and never been past 5th round fa cup..wind ya neck in!’
(Leeds fan) Mich:
‘I agree. They (Newcastle United) are definitely amongst the top 6 in the Championship.’
(Middlesbrough fan) Craig Honeyman:
‘A top six club is a club who finish in the top six. Newcastle United are comparable to Leeds United. Both are BIG clubs but only the success of finishing in the Premier League top six would make either a top six club. End of debate.’
(Middlesbrough fan) David McCarthy:
‘Both are just big clubs because of being one club in a big city that’s all.’
‘That’s bollox really Because the population of most of the other cities is double what I is in Newcastle. 278.000 people of one team to choose where as 1.8 million have two clubs to choose from in Birmingham.’
(Spurs fan) Paul Runham:
‘Any team with massive investment could be top 6 club. Stupid argument.’
‘I think the general point in this is (and I don’t think the club is anywhere near top 6) that other clubs would require huge external invents to grow, whereas NUFC can easily grow through the money it already generates for itself.’
(Spurs fan) Paul Runham:
‘Yes I get that. But money on that level is still no guarantee of top 6. City, Chelsea, Liverpool, United, Arsenal and Tottenham are all miles in front at the moment. I’m not sure without massive investment like city or Chelsea anyone will break that cycle.’
‘To majority of NUFC fans, it isn’t about getting in the top 6… it’s about improving and growing, something the club refuses to do.
I’m just looking at why NUFC would have more potential than other clubs. It has more in place to sustain that level of football than other clubs…… if it got there.’
‘I think it would have been better if he had said potentially a top 6 club with the right investment and ambitious owners. Your tweet could have been aimed at Man City before they got taken over and looked what’s happened to them I would say we were quite similar clubs at the time.’
(Sunderland fan) Ord85:
‘Exactly. Potentially. That’s just saying any team can be a lot better if they spend a lot more money
There’s quite a lot of similar sized clubs that could have done a City, cynical of pundits and some NUFC fans seem to think they are owed that type of investment. Loads big clubs are worse off.’
‘The problem is we get talked about a lot by a lot of people who tell everyone about what we as fans want and demand and most of the time it’s utter bollocks.
There will always be an an element who don’t understand why we aren’t winning the CL each year but most are realistic.’
‘We don’t care about top 6 we just want to compete! Because at present we are a club who’s slowly dying through lack of investment.’
(Spurs fan) Breezer:
‘Ok but the initial tweet says “Newcastle are a top 6 club”. They’re not and even with investment who do they replace in the top 6.
No chance unless it’s an multi billionaire owner like City. Then you can say every club has a chance of top 6 with those funds.’
‘The actual quote was “Leeds and Newcastle should be top 6 clubs”.
Again, why do sections of the media love to portray #nufc fans as being deluded and that we believe we’re better than we are?
And 90% of all muppet football fans soak it in rather than reading/watching the source.’
(Everton fan) Tommye:
Top 6 what?? Clubs in the North East?’
(Arsenal fan) who tf you looking at:
‘They (Newcastle) are one with their fan base but will take a very long time to get back to that status club wise.’
‘…forget the clubs potential, forget everything to do with football and start looking at the finances!
Where is the money going?
Season ticket sales ARE top 6!
The TV deal is the largest in history & the club has had its fair share of coverage!’
(Arsenal fan) Paul Brennan:
‘Potential to be a top 6 club a decade ago but let’s not pretend they are even half of what Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs, Man City, Chelsea are.
Stop giving Newcastle fans ridiculous false hope. It’s embarrassing for all concerned.’
(West Ham fan) COYI!!!:
‘Top 8 (these days) and yes, their potential is totally wasted with Ashley as owner.’
‘Correction were a top six club until Mike Ashley bought our club & relegated Newcastle Utd twice though.’
‘Don’t care if we’re top 6 or bottom 6 we just want rid of the FCB so we can compete with the rest of PL.’
‘We don’t have to be top 6 but we are being wasted under Ashley that’s what us Nufc have known for years.’
(Liverpool fan) ToMM:
‘I would agree, and im a Liverpool fan, Mike Ashley is ruining the club, and has been for years.’
(Everton fan) Goals on Sunday:
‘Get real. Newcastle haven’t been a top six club in living memory.’
(Everton fan) Mark Mulvey:
‘Newcastle haven’t been a big club in a 100 years let alone top 6, top 10 maybe at a big push.’
Mail On Sunday journalist (and Stockport County fan) Oliver Holt speaking on Sky Sports – Sunday Supplement:
“It doesn’t have to be somebody local (who buys Newcastle United), I know that is the dream, but it does have to be somebody benevolent who wants to buy into it – like (Manchester) City.
“I know that there are lots of question marks about the regime in Abu Dhabi, I totally get that, but if you look at what they have done around (Manchester) City, around the area…
“What I see as an outsider when I look at Newcastle, is a waste. A waste of potential, a potential of a fantastic club.
“I was up there for the Great North Run a few weeks ago and I got the Metro back into town. The first thing you see is this Cathedral (St James Park), it is the City’s Cathedral isn’t it, on top of the hill.
“It is the thing that dominates the City.
“If I had two clubs that I think it is a waste (of their potential at the moment), it would be Newcastle and Leeds, and at least Leeds appear to be getting back to what they once were.
“Newcastle and Leeds should be top six (in the Premier League) in my opinion, they are great English clubs.
“And what I see going on at Newcastle…it is toxic and it is a shame.”