Are Newcastle United a big club?
Like a scab you can’t stop picking and making bleed, it was difficult to switch off this daft nonsense on Talksport.
We (Newcastle United) ended up with Jim White as our great defender, whilst Danny Murphy and a real loser called ‘The Moose’ (otherwise known as West Ham fan Ian Abrahams, who is useless even by Talksport standards as a presenter/reporter).
The ‘debate’ is given below between the three of them…but the very fact that they are (as usual) talking about Newcastle United, might answer their own question as to whether NUFC is a ‘big club’, whatever that is.
Funnily enough, Danny Murphy admits that he has now changed his definition of what a big club is, because his previous idea(s) had ended up not fitting in with something he’d wanted to say, so he’d ditched a regular full stadium so he could now include Aston Villa as a ‘big club’.
It is great with all of these filling air time debates, by the way they speak you would think everybody was walking around Newcastle City Centre stopping any stranger to remind them that NUFC fit in as a ‘big club’.
It is an ideal subject of course for something like Talksport as there is no definitive answer, so it can be a never-ending debate…
Success is supposedly an integral part of being a big part but of course that comes and goes for clubs all the time.
At the minute you have Manchester City with the most expensive and probably best quality squad in the world, they won the Premier League last season setting records on points and goals, yet hilariously they can’t fill their stadium in the Premier League or Champions League. Are they a big club? PSG have the second most expensive squad in the world and just like Man City, they were the beneficiaries of a roll of the dice, whereby they got people taking over the club with access to massive wealth, and via that are now said to be big clubs.
Back in the day, Monaco were very successful, ridiculous funding provided to build the team despite only having a handful of fans.
As a generalisation I would say that to be any kind of a big club you do need at least two things:
Having lot of people who really care about what happens to the club – including those people don’t necessarily get to matches at that moment in time.
Then also, being a club that neutrals take an interest in and talk about.
Newcastle United get two big fat ticks on those two factors but sadly everything else is out of our control.
In the raffle for new owner, we sadly ended up with Mike Ashley, somebody who sees only as the advertising arm for his retail empire.
Newcastle have a decent sized stadium and a manager with an excellent CV, another two factors which you can throw into the big club mix.
However, it is all a non-starter, in terms of success, when you then have an owner that not only has no interest in the health and success of his football club as a separate entity, but actually works against it being successful.
I’m quite happy if anybody wants to say Newcastle aren’t a big club because it is meaningless, though obviously the ‘Moose’s’ infantile comments about Newcastle as a place, are equally annoying/laughable.
A Talksport ‘debate’ as to whether Newcastle United are a ‘big club’?:
Ian Abrahams (‘Moose’):
“Everybody keeps telling me what a big club Newcastle are, like Leeds, at least Leeds have at least won the title in the last 30 years – Newcastle since I was born have won nothing, not a thing.
“Since colour television was invented…zilch. Absolutely nothing.
“So when Jim (White) says Newcastle are re a big club, they get fifty two thousand, yeah well what else is there to do in Newcastle?
“Some smart Alec on Twitter sent me a link to Trip Advisor about what there is to do in Newcastle; I looked at it, there’s one art gallery and a few parks to walk around.
“Whoopee, I won’t go to the footy, I’ll walk around the park.
“Yes they get a lot of people through the gate, I’m not denying that but that doesn’t make you a big club, when you get 52,000 people through the gate, when there’s practically nothing else to do on a Saturday afternoon.”
Jim White :
“They are a big club.”
Danny Murphy :
“You are correct Moose, regarding what you have said.”
“Hang on Dan, are Newcastle a big club?”
“Newcastle are well supported but they’re not a big club,”
“They’re a team that yo-yos between the Championship and the Premier League. How is that a big club?”
“I am absolutely flabbergasted.”
“I got mullered for saying Villa weren’t a big club, I had to retract a little bit, they have been a big club because they won the European Cup and they’ve competed at the top of the Premier League in my lifetime, so actually I was partly wrong there.
“What I meant was, and why I never felt it was a big club, was because every time I went there the stadium was never full.
“So I’m contradicting myself because if the stadium is full, it creates a big club atmosphere, but actually I was wrong about that because the stadium being full or not doesn’t constitute being a big club.”
“So what does constitute a big club?”
“Success and worldwide support does.”
“Last time I checked, you don’t go to Spain and see people walking up and down the promenade and beach wearing Newcastle shirts. You do with Liverpool and Manchester United, you even do with Rangers and Celtic.”
“You see people wearing Newcastle shirts, yes you do.”