Newcastle Central  MP Chi Onwurah recently brought up the subject of Transparency in Football that led me to wonder what  the official Premier League view is on this, as far as fans are concerned.

Below are a few excerpts from the PL Handbook:

R.2. Each Club shall devise, document and publish: (a) a policy (or policies) with regard to ticketing, merchandise and relations with its supporters, season ticket holders and others having an interest in the activities of the Club (together in this Section of these Rules referred to as “Stakeholders”); and (b) a disability access statement. A copy of all such documents must be provided to the League before the start of the Season.

R.3. A Club’s policy with regard to its Stakeholders should: R.3.1.  provide for consultation with them on a structured and regular basis through forums, questionnaires and focus groups and by the publication of current policies on major issues in an easily digested format; and R.3.2.  promote supporter and community liaison and provide for the establishment of liaison structures where none exist.

R.5. Each Club shall submit a report annually to the League during the Close Season describing how each of its said policies has been implemented and the extent to which each has been achieved.

Looking at these rules through NUFC eyes R.3.1 actually made me laugh. Any of you Stakeholders received a questionnaire from the club lately?

Anyone remember the last time the club (Owner/Chairman) informed the stakeholders their policies on major issues (Player Recruitment, Manager’s Contract, Training Ground and Academy).

I had previously emailed the Premier League asking for some info on this subject and they were quite helpful until I asked them the question regarding R.5.  How do I get a copy of the club’s Annual Report that Newcastle United sends to the Premier League describing how the policies have been implemented/achieved.

No reply to that one or the further two emails I sent. I even requested a simple Yes/No answer as to whether anyone gets to view the report.

I contacted NUST and FSF and asked if they were aware of any outside parties having access to the report, they were not aware of any but said they would consider asking the question at future Fans Forum meetings / future PL meetings.

Judging by the clubs’ record over the last 12 years, I dread to think what they actually put in their report.

Which brings me back to the Transparency issue. What made me worry about this regarding our club was the Rangers fan who said “Worry about what you don’t know he is doing.”

I am pondering on whether it would be worth making this a countrywide issue with all football fans by starting a petition  to parliament to debate this issue. I am sure there will be lots of supporters of different clubs out there who are going through similar situations to us, plus lots more who would be sympathetic to the cause.

This is one issue regarding fans where there is no transparency from our club, I dread to think how many more issues there are that we have not come across yet.

Old Fan – Tired of being taken for granted.

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  • Gallowgate Dave

    Great article. Football’s supposed guardians The FA, not to mention FIFA, have been unfit for purpose as long as I’ve been a football fan and the Premier League care only about money. As long as it doesn’t damage their product i.e the money keeps on rolling through they couldn’t care less if one of their clubs fans are being exploited by an owner who only cares about the loot, not the sport.

  • Cockneytrev

    Reading the article, its apparent that the premier league are complicit in the way Ashley has run Newcastle,, if they’re not, why not release the document? Very curious, what’s hiding in the document?

  • SuperDesHamilton

    They don’t wanna rock the gravy train. All of them are complicit. From the owners, People who run the Prem down to the lowest wrung of pundits etc..everyone eats even if it’s scraps, they’ll do anything to not stop that

  • Ron

    Just emailed Chi Onwarah to see if she wants to try to get the report.

    • Peaky

      Brilliant….keep us all informed Ron.

      • Ron

        Will do but better if you hear it on the News.

        • Leazes.

          send a text to Mark Tulip.

          • Ron

            Good shout.
            No idea how to text so copied my earlier email to him. Might not hurt if other concerned supporters followed suit, in their own words would be great.

          • Leazes.

            pam and ian?

          • Ron

            Already done!

          • Leazes.

            Great!….. Mark Denten

          • Ron

            Good idea but I’ll leave it with the three otherwise it could look like #I’m on a one man campaign. Really think a n other should send a couple, couldn’t find an email address for MoTD

          • Leazes.

            Done mate

          • Ron

            Just a thought but do you know of somewhere we could put a
            list together of “persons of influence” to contact to see if the report can be
            published. That way it might make people
            sit up and take notice, and hopefully apply pressure on Ashley and his camp.

            I’ve emailed:

            Chi Onwarah

            Mark Tulip

            Pam and Ian

            You’ve contacted:

            Chris Jackson

            And JohnnyH has suggested:

            [email protected]

            Others could be

            Match of the Day

            Alan Shearer

            Other local MP’s

            Sports minister (and shadow)

          • BigHairyDog

            Well done!!

          • Peaky

            👏👏👏

          • Leazes.

            Dunno….. maybe Facebook thread on Mike Ashley Out Campaign….MAOC…… keep adding to it

          • Ron

            I wouldn’t know where to start with all that – but if anyone who thinks it’s an idea, may be one of Magpie Group, the Mike Ashley Out Campaign or The Mag itself etc could I hand over the baton?

          • Realist

            😂🤣😂 deary me

          • Ron

            Not sure I follow, deary you?

          • Realist

            You need to get a life along with all the other b1tche’s on here.

          • Ron

            Suggest you spend your life doing what you want to do and leave others to make their own minds up.

            If you’ve no interest in this go somewhere else, I’m sure there will be knitting websites of an interest.

          • Realist

            I think knitting is more along your street and age bracket but thanks. Society is rife with people like you follow the masses because it’s easier. It’s a bitter forum but I find it beneficial to listen to other people’s opinions. I’m not like the big baby Kenny etc. If all people want to do is moan about nufc Ashley, how it’s not the same as kk sbr years don’t follow nufc then, it only needs fans who stand by the team through thick and thin. Times will always be good for a while then not so good this is how the world is. I’m not an Ashley fan but if you don’t call for his death on here which is how crazy some are on here your branded an Ashley apologist. Palace away the mora love it hahaha.

          • Ron

            I see school must be out! Run straight home.

          • Realist

            😂🤣😂 your prediction of me is like 2 plus 2 and getting 10. Crack on though.

          • Boycott the BBC

            Why don’t you email Gary lineker and get him on board that’ll be right up his street

          • Stephen Crosier

            You should also put this very interesting question to the Northumberland FA (NFA) as they should be our areas Grassroots representative to the National FA Body and they should also be responsible for Newcastle United FC (The areas Senior Team) as the team is part of the NFA (They enter the NFA Senior Cup every year). I also believe that the NFA have a seat on the FA National Council. Perhaps if they could raise the question it may shame the National FA may have to answer.

          • Ron

            thanks for the info.

          • Ron

            Reply from Chi Onwurah:

            Dear Ron

            That is a good idea and I will raise it at the Magpie Meeting on Wednesday. I was not aware of the report.

            Best

            Chi

          • Fenwick

            Well done mate

          • Ron

            Only if something happens, happy that Leazes is also writing in, the more and people will sit up and notice.

        • Peaky

          😂 like a news flash like they used to do in the old days….”we are sorry to interrupt this programme……..”…

          • Ron

            Depends could be .”we are happy to interrupt this programme……..”…

      • Ron

        Hi Peaky I got this back but since I don’t live in her Constituency it might not help.

        This is an automated reply as I have not yet had time to read your email.

        Thank you very much for contacting me. I know responding quickly to correspondence is an important part of being a good MP. Every week though, I receive around two thousand emails, letters and telephone calls and it is difficult to reply instantly. Rest assured that my team and I work hard to respond as quickly as possible.

        You should also be confident that all levels of communication will be treated with the same level of importance, whether email, letter, fax or call.

        Parliamentary protocol dictates that a Member of Parliament can only deal with issues on behalf of their own constituents. Please ensure that you have included in your email your name, a full postal address, a contact telephone number and any relevant reference numbers. If this was not included in your email, please re-send your full email with your postal address and full name.

        In order to deal with your enquiry I may have to make checks with statutory bodies. If you do not wish me to do so then please state this clearly in any correspondence.

        I look forward to your future correspondence.

        • Peaky

          Never mind Ron at least you tried…maybe someone who reads the reply and is one of her constituents can push it further…thanks for letting me know anyway.

          • Ron

            She may still use the info, once she has her teeth into something ….
            Anyway I’ve just emailed my own MP.

          • Ron

            Reply from Chi Onwurah:

            Dear Ron

            That is a good idea and I will raise it at the Magpie Meeting on Wednesday. I was not aware of the
            report.

            Best

            Chi

          • Peaky

            Good,she’s keeping the momentum going Ron…thanks for keeping me informed.

    • Realist

      Hope you spelt her name right in the email but i think you’ve got to much time on your hands

      • Ron

        Yes I did – just checked thanks for pointing it out though

  • MadMag83

    The Premier League are no better than Ashley. They’d sell their soul for a dime.

  • JohnnyH

    I posted this on another article earlier;

    The TV money is supposed to be spent on player development and recruitment, the academy and training facilities.

    The complete absence of any firm planning or commitments from Ashley to spend it as such, means only one thing. Ashley is misappropriating this money in plain sight, and nothing is being done about it.
    The Premier League are turning a blind eye to him asset stripping the club, in contradiction to their own guidelines.

    I wrote the the sports & culture minister, Tracey Crouch MP, pointing this out, and requesting a response detailing what she proposes to do about it.

    • Leazes.

      …not on ‘House of Fraser’ then?….

    • Waxi

      Spot on Johnny it’s is like it says in the article it is what we don’t know that is the problem and the only way we will find out is if we put pressure on the people you have wrote to. They as well as Onwara should have sight of that information as it is OUR national game and we the end product lay out a fortune to watch it, play it, and even coach it so the whole FA and Premier League need to be looked in to. We all know the fat slug has never invested what the club have made so where has the money gone.

      • Ron

        You are left just wondering and the less you are told the more you wonder.
        Is it corruption? At director level? club level? League level? Or have we simply not been informed? We don’t know so we wonder ……

    • BigHairyDog

      The TV monies are spent on the up keep of the club, the wages of the staff and the other costs of running a football club. Other clubs tend to pay these bills from merchandising and ticket sales, but we can’t as SD run both them outlets and keep the profits.

      • Jezza

        Let’s face facts. The bulk of the television money given to NUFC this year was spent on a failing department shop chain.

        • Benji

          how is this a fact you inbred? do have proof? Er as always no

        • Martin Rooney

          Your lack of understanding is becoming legendary. I hope your not becoming a joke figure which people start bullying, I’m really starting to worry about you.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Two of the biggest nonces on here arguing amongst each other, how cute

        • Sickandtired

          But that’s not a fact though. SD bought HoF, not Ashley himself. Why do you keep saying it?
          As much as we detest him, there’s no point in dreaming up conspiracies – it just gives more ammunition to our detractors.

  • Leazes.

    It sounds like they aren’t submitting the reports, but if they have it will be a bare minimum response….they don’t do anything that they don’t have to, this is a secretive regime ….. and a regime with secrets.

    The reports should be open to scrutiny to anyone by law.

    Why does Charnley hide between the fans forum meetings?

    • Ron

      Maybe PL embarrassed about what they are letting them get away with.

      • BigHairyDog

        I believe the FA and Premier League are totally happy with our current situation, the last thing either wants is for us to break into the group of clubs that currently monopolise football in this country.

        • Ron

          Could be true, why else would they protect the loon who owns the club?
          But if we can get the report published, it could cause a concern that the FA and Premier League can’t ignore and drop Ashley into further trouble, without the report we can only guess.

        • Jezza

          Spot on. They don’t want those frightful working class oiks from the far North gatecrashing their exclusive party for the trendy media darling “big” glamour clubs.

          • Ron

            Said just like it is – well done

    • AbusedCourier

      Ashley keeps him in the broom cupboard.

  • JohnnyH

    Great point about getting other fans involved.
    £2.4 BILLION dished out this season in TV money, to PL clubs.
    Fans are being ripped off by the football cesspit of corruption.
    Is Kevin Miles still involved in the national supporters organisation?

  • Carverlier football

    Wonder if anyone from the Magpie Group has thought about writing to Prince William in his capacity of FA president. If we could get him interested that would be some PR… Even though we can provide the context of why we’re specifically upset I still think that any interaction with anyone of influence should work on an overall angle and include examples of all recently mismanaged clubs to lessen the impression of whinging Geordies – that was one thing that disappointed me a little about Chi Onwura’s letter, it was a bit too partizan and so easier for some unconnected southerner to ignore

    • BigHairyDog

      He’s more or less a figurehead, he’ll have zero input.

      • Carverlier football

        It’s more the exposure it would give it than the input

  • IronicGeordie

    Brilliant piece, many thanks. Have you contacted Chi The MP?

    • Ron

      Have you?

    • NUFCLX

      Not yet. I have requested it again from the PL and asked them to give me some info on their complaints procedure, I have also asked the club, if no joy there, I will contact the IFO (Independent Football Onbundsman).
      Will be Emailing Chi to try and get a follow up on her letters and ask if she thinks it would be a benefit to start a National Petition to Parliament regarding football transparency.

      • Ron

        Good man, that’s outstanding.

      • Boycott the BBC

        You want to get a grip and open your eyes and start to worry about the real problems in the world.

        • Ron

          If you aren’t interested in this just go to another site, no one is asking you to read anything you don’t find of interest. We find it interesting, so we stay, and read with interest what is said.

  • JohnnyH

    Football supporters federation e-mail;

    [email protected]

  • Barrack Road

    Not sure but is it possible to request it under Freedom of Information Act?

    • JohnnyH

      FOI requests only apply to public bodies, not private businesses unfortunately.

  • Foggy

    Where does Charnley live? Maybe we could give him a knock and request a copy.

    • BigHairyDog

      Aye, knock on his door with a 60 ton Challenger tank.

    • Ron

      Under a rock!

  • JohnnyH

    Suggestion;

    Can either the Magpie Group or NUST draw up a form of words, in a protest letter ( the missing millions, asset stripping, not complying with various UEFA and PL guidelines etc…..) that can be downloaded and then signed individually by each supporter, then sent on to the relevant person or body. As a starter, this could consist of, the Premier League, the Minister for Sport &Culture, your local MP, the Footbal Supporters Federation, BBC (Inside out or Panorama).

    Worth a punt?

    Or we can ask Vlad to send some special sightseers to spray a bit of Channel on Ashley’s doorknobs

    • Ron

      I just posted something very similar on another thread, I think that each supporter should apply some pressure to those who can influence and this article is a great place to point them too, but you’re right (well not sure of the doorknobs – I know a few postmen you’d not agree) the more diverse the questions the better the chance of hitting the target.
      A sort of centralised data base would be great.

    • Waxi

      Johnny i think that is an excellent idea and why don’t we start an E-Petition as over 100,000 signatures gets you a debate in the house of commons. We could get well over that given we get over half that number every home game. Out of interest do we know if any of the magpie group and other groups use this site as the amount of ideas that has had a mention today it’s stuff they might take forward.

      • Ron

        I don’t know – but suspiciously quiet if they do. You are right it is what is needed.

    • Martin Rooney

      I will do that, Can you highlight the missing millions, and items of PL and UEFA guidelines which the club has fallen foul of?

  • Pauline Kemp

    Anyone thought of inland revenue,has ash paid tax on the tv money or has the club.if Ashley he,s pocket,d the money.

    • Sickandtired

      The club will only pay tax on declared profit. Makes no odds how much revenue they actually make or where from.

  • Cockneytrev

    NORTH EAST MPS
    North East MPs
    Berwick-upon-Tweed : Anne Marie Trevelyan (Conservative)

    Bishop Auckland : Helen Goodman (Labour)

    Blaydon : Liz Twist (Labour)

    Blyth Valley : Ronnie Campbell (Labour)

    City of Durham : Roberta Blackman-Woods (Labour)

    Darlington : Jenny Chapman (Labour)

    Easington : Grahame Morris (Labour)

    Gateshead : Ian Mearns (Labour)

    Hartlepool : Mike Hill (Labour)

    Hexham : Guy Opperman (Conservative)

    Houghton and Sunderland South : Bridget Phillipson (Labour)

    Jarrow : Stephen Hepburn (Labour)

    Middlesbrough : Andy McDonald (Labour)

    Middlesbrough South and Cleveland East : Simon Clarke (Conservative)

    Newcastle upon Tyne East : Nicholas Brown (Labour)

    Newcastle upon Tyne Central : Chi Onwurah (Labour)

    Newcastle upon Tyne North : Catherine McKinnell (Labour)

    North Durham : Kevan Jones (Labour)

    North Tyneside : Mary Glindon (Labour)

    North West Durham : Laura Pidcock (Labour)

    Redcar : Anna Turley (Labour)

    Sedgefield : Phil Wilson (Labour)

    South Shields : Emma Lewell-Buck (Labour)

    Stockton North : Alex Cunningham (Labour)

    Stockton South : Paul Williams (Labour)

    Sunderland Central : Julie Elliott (Labour)

    Tynemouth : Alan Campbell (Labour)

    Wansbeck : Ian Lavery (Labour)

    Washington and Sunderland West : Sharon Hodgson (Labour)
    List of north east MPs,, start bombarding your mp with emails asking what they are doing about Ashley…

  • Guest

    Apply more pressure , more publicity, shop boycotting rat shop, thought maybe get some balloons printed up with appropriate messages/pictures, blow them up and release them during a TV game, cheap effective and easy enough to do? Good bad idea ?

  • Guest

    How about setting up the black and army lottery , not for profit 50/50split or something to a club fighting fund and prize money minus running cost, feasible or not, I’m not sure

  • FatParosite

    Once BLiar gets the top job get used to obfuscation. Bliar as chairman of the Premier League will have all transparency of a North Korean big business deal.

  • Sickandtired

    Typical. The Pl asks clubs for more transparency, then ignores a request for information from themselves!
    Maybe a question to be put forward at the upcoming Magpie Group meeting and see if Onwurah will take it up?