Aleksandar Mitrovic was always going to be a talking point this season.

If he flopped, everybody would be asking why on earth Newcastle ever paid £14m for him, and even worse, why did Fulham then pay £22m (which could rise to £27m).

Alternatively, if Mitro knocked the goals in, neutrals would be asking why on earth NUFC had let go a Premier League quality striker.

Six games into the season, Newcastle are in the relegation zone, having scored only four goals in total.

Whilst despite Fulham only being three places higher with three more points, Aleksandar Mitrovic has already scored five goals and is joint top PL scorer with Eden Hazard.

No doubting what most neutrals will be thinking on the Mitrovic question at the moment…

Jamie Redknapp has vocalised what many of those are thinking, after watching Mitro rescue a point against Watford and almost get the winner on Saturday he says ‘At £23m Mitrovic is an absolute bargain. What a talent he is’

So were Newcastle mugs to get rid of the Serbian forward as Jamie Redknapp indicates?

Well, yes and no.

When you see how limited Newcastle have been so far, difficult to imagine Aleksandar Mitrovic could have offered less goal threat than Joselu, Rondon, Muto and Perez.

On the other hand, the big problem surely isn’t so much selling Mitro, it is more the fact that after selling for £22m, Rafa Benitez was limited to a £2m loan for Rondon, AND had to also let Gayle go as part of that arrangement.

You have to really drill down below the headlines though to get the real story.

If Aleksandar Mitrovic was still at Newcastle and had played all six games, would he have scored five goals already? That would be a big fat no.

Fulham have spent over £100m this summer, buying players to complement and play to Mitro’s strengths, making clear their intention is to get the ball out wide and then into the centre-forward. Some quality players playing expansive football.

Have Newcastle United got those players? An even bigger fat no.

Interesting to see the BBC Sport stats on those at the top of the Premier League goalscoring charts.

These are the strikers, number of goals before the name, number of shots they have had, after the name:

5 Mitrovic 23

5 Hazard 8

4 Aguero 20

4 Lukaku 12

4 Mane 15

4 Murray 9

Mitro has had a far bigger supply line than any other striker, only Aguero close with 20 shots to the Fulham striker’s 23. If he had stayed at Newcastle, and played, I doubt whether he would have had any more than five or six shots/chances by now.

All the other strikers are from top four/six teams, apart from Murray who has had four from only nine shots, although two of his goals/shots were penalties.

So is Jamie Redknapp correct? Probably yes and no…whilst Mike Ashley is definitely in the wrong, as usual.

Jamie Redknapp talking to Sky Sports:

“Newcastle will be looking at Aleksandar Mitrovic now and thinking ‘maybe we should have persevered with him’…

“What a talent he is!

“He has got so much ability.

“When clubs are looking for a top striker, Aleksandar Mitrovic ticks all the boxes.

“You can go direct into him.

“He can play with his feet.

“He ticks every box.

“At £23million, Mitrovic is an absolute bargain.”



  • Clarko

    And Benitez picked Joselu ahead of him. Unreal.

    • SuperDesHamilton

      Pardew played Hayden Mullins over Mascherano, what’s your point?

      • Damon Horner

        His only point is to trigger people into argument.

        • SuperDesHamilton

          It must get really lonely in that spare room for him

      • panther

        and wouldnt play tevez either

        • SuperDesHamilton

          No wonder he’s out of a job

    • Toon Arnie

      Mitro wasn’t a regular starter prior to Joselu signing ?

      • Clarko

        I don’t know what that question means or how it relates to my comment.

        • Toon Arnie

          You said Joselu was getting picked ahead of Mitro. I pointed out that Mitro wasn’t even in the team before Joselu arrived so it was hardly a straight choice. CKO – you’re having a nightmare today !!

          • Clarko

            Joselu was getting picked ahead of Mitrovic…

          • Toon Arnie

            You’ve totally missed the point again.

  • Dillon Tovak

    Rafa having Mitro is like Pulis having Messi. Yes Mitrovic is good, Rafa didn’t want him. I’d rather have Rafa and Rondon than Strachan and Mitrovic. Let’s move on.

    • Toon Arnie

      Yeah too right, I was a fan of Mitro but he’s gone now and unfortunately Rafa wasn’t allowed to replace him so we need to move on.

      • Clarko

        Rondon.

        • Toon Arnie

          So who replaced Gayle ?

          • Clarko

            Muto.

          • Toon Arnie

            So it wasn’t a swap deal between Gayle and Rondon as widely reported ?

          • Clarko

            No, Rondon and Gayle were swapped, Rondon was brought in to replace Mitrovic and Muto was brought in to replace Gayle. Simple stuff.

          • Toon Arnie

            Simple yes but incorrect.

          • Clarko

            How?

          • Toon Arnie

            You’ve just made that up to suit your argument. I agree Mitro should’ve played more, in my opinion anyway, but for whatever reason he’s left. Rafa should have been given all of that money to get the much heralded ‘£20m signing’ that always seems to get blocked after being fed to the media. Rondon for Gayle was a swap deal in everyone’s eyes but yours including West Brom fans. Muto might end up being a decent signing but a top class striker was what was desperately needed in the last window not another broken promise and transfer window profit. Why do you find it so hard to see this ?

          • Clarko

            I didn’t make it up.

            You can’t say ‘for whatever reason’, we know why he left, he left because Benitez kept on picking Joselu, that’s right Joselu, ahead of him.

            If you want to be that guy and ignore to the blantanly obvious that’s fine, Rondon replaced Gayle but then that means that Muto replaced Mitrovic, you’re still wrong, Mitrovic was still replaced, two senior strikers went out and two came in and Benitez got his number one choice in Rondon.

          • Toon Arnie

            Your argument seems to change with every post ? If you seriously that Rafas first choice was Rondon on loan, and having to sacrifice Gayle to make that happen, then i’ll Have to leave you alone , and you are alone believe me, with those thoughts. As for Mitrovic, I reiterate I rated him and I was sad to see him go. However there may well have been a plan from Rafa (even more grandiose than Rondon on loan) to use the Mitro money and bring in a top level centre forward. Unfortunately as funds were withheld and promises were broken again we’ll never know.

          • Clarko

            My argument hasn’t changed, Mitrovic was replaced and he was replaced with Benitez’s first choice:

            ‘As part of the deal to secure Rafa Benítez’s number one transfer target’ – NUFC Official site

            ‘Salomon Rondon remains Rafa Benitez’s No 1 summer target – despite renewed links with Nicolai Jorgensen and Alassane Plea’ – Shields Gazette

            ‘Rondon was Rafa Benitez’s first choice striker this summer’ – Independent

          • Toon Arnie

            You’ve avoided the key point again. Let me put it another way – so why was Rafa not allowed to sign his No1 target permanently despite the Mitro money coming in ?

          • Clarko

            No, I haven’t avoided any key point, let’s take a look at your first comment:

            ‘Yeah too right, I was a fan of Mitro but he’s gone now and unfortunately Rafa wasn’t allowed to replace him so we need to move on’

            You were wrong, Mitrovic was replaced. You’re the one trying to change your argument ‘every post’, there was not talk of money. Stop lying.

          • Toon Arnie

            Lying ? Ha ha – welcome back CKO/Ben Jones. Ok let’a recap; You said Mitro was replaced with Rondon – wrong. Everyone other than you realises this was a swap with Gayle. You said Rondon was Rafas first choice but seem unable to answer why, that being the case, he was only allowed to bring him in on loan despite a large transfer surplus being available. Do you have any updates or are you going to continue going round in circles and avoiding the question ?

          • Clarko

            Yep you’re a liar. Welcome to the ‘don’t bother replying’ list. Have fun lying to yourself.

          • Toon Arnie

            So you’ve conceded already ? I only asked you to answer one key question and that finished you ? You disappoint me CKO… sorry Ben Jones… sorry I meant Clarko

          • Ram Kishore

            I do agree on your points.. but there is nothing wrong in bringing him on loan when it costs less. U know what I mean..
            Our main objective is to get him right?
            If we can get him for cheap we should definitely take that choice..I for one reason was not satisfied in our
            Act to bring him very late in the window but I think loan seemed better than permanent as it helps us better actually

          • panther

            if rondon was his first choice which i seriously doubt, I think no transfer kitty was a wise decision

          • Clarko

            ‘As part of the deal to secure Rafa Benítez’s number one transfer target’ – NUFC Official site

            ‘Salomon Rondon remains Rafa Benitez’s No 1 summer target – despite renewed links with Nicolai Jorgensen and Alassane Plea’ – Shields Gazette

            ‘Rondon was Rafa Benitez’s first choice striker this summer’ – Independent

          • panther

            if its came from NUFC its safe to say its misinformation

          • Clarko

            It came from everyone.

          • Superdooperhooper

            Wrong there are 7 billion people on the planet and it didn’t come from all of them . Definitely not from me anyhow

          • Billmag

            You may aswell bang your head against a brick wall mate, c’mon a world class manager that has had absolutely loads of players through his hands and ends up having to make do with Joselu and Rondon as a strike force do me a favour.

          • Toon Arnie

            Yeah I know, I don’t think Clarko ( CKO ? ) believes what he’s saying really but there you go. A sad state of affairs at the club and for the life of me I can’t understand why people still support Ashley even though they’re a very small minority these days.

          • panther

            i dont know anyone who supports Ashley, well apart for the mongoloid of many names on here

          • Toon Arnie

            Clarko is definitely CKO and possibly Ben Jones but surely not Ghostrider and Vodka as well ?? That would mean he had no social life at all and was constantly on his keyboard ? Surely not …..

          • Toon Arnie

            Mitro wasn’t in the team before Joselu arrived.

          • Clarko

            I never said he was…

          • Billmag

            You can debate as I have done with that Numpty but he just keeps on switching the argument to suit himself he’s an Ashley lover and a Rafa hater.

    • Mike Adam

      You have them, good luck.

      • Ram Kishore

        Hey Mike it seems u are still missing Mitro.. i do kinda whenever I see him on the score sheet ..
        But I think Mitro cleared the air with his reasons , its time to let go ig..
        Rafa wanted Mitro to run a lot, Mitro couldn’t.. Both had their reasons.
        Just a view

  • Paul Patterson

    He’s had to have many more shots to get those five goals and Fulham are only three points ahead of us, with a worse goal difference. But let’s not let facts get in the way of a good stirring session from Redknapp.
    Plus, if Rafa was given the £25m from the Mitrovic deal, I’m sure he would have got a better striker than Rondon, instead we have Rondon on loan. The problem lies elsewhere.
    Redknapp argument null and void.

    • Toon Arnie

      For all we know Rafa May have sold Mitro on the premise that he could replace him based on the ‘every penny’ promise. Instead Ashley wanted to make a profit in the transfer window again so we’ll never know.

      • panther

        Ashley lying?Im shocked

    • Clarko

      Rondon/Plea were the first choice replacements.

      • SuperDesHamilton

        Nonce-o plea came here his agent was at the training ground ready to sign but your fat idol wouldn’t pay an extra million so he didn’t sign him

        • Ram Kishore

          I think Muto was Plea’s alternative once we failed to land him. Am i right Des?

          • SuperDesHamilton

            You probably are, the fact he was cheap (in today’s market) made him appealing too

      • magpie 1969

        So you keep saying but it DOSE NOT make you right

        • Clarko

          It’s right because it’s right:

          ‘As part of the deal to secure Rafa Benítez’s number one transfer target’ – NUFC Official site

          ‘Salomon Rondon remains Rafa Benitez’s No 1 summer target – despite renewed links with Nicolai Jorgensen and Alassane Plea’ – Shields Gazette

          • Billmag

            It was reported in the Shields Gazette this week that your hero had dropped his asking price for the club, and you quote their shyte, that blows your argument right out of the water.

          • Clarko

            I also quote two other sources.

            Can you provide evidence that suggests the clubs price hasn’t been dropped?

            Can you provide evidence that suggests that Rondon wasn’t first choice?

            I’ll wait.

          • Billmag

            😀😀😀😀Ha ha after quoting the Gazette you’ve now gone and quoted the Independent what a plonker you are drowning son give it up.

          • Clarko

            Look at that, you have nothing. Shocker.

          • Billmag

            Got it from the same source as your shyte information the Shields Gazette.

          • Clarko

            The NUFC official website get their news form the Shields Gazette?

          • Toon Arnie

            That should be the other way round surely ?!!

          • JohnnyH

            Only the No1 target on a budget off nowt.
            Because your mate is keeping the TV money.

          • Paul Patterson

            Quoting tabloids and the official site is like quoting Wikipedia, a waste of time ..

          • Clarko

            What evidence do you have? What evidence to do you have of the Shields Gazette, the Independent and the NUFC official site not being credible sources of information?

          • SuperDesHamilton

            You a nonce & know nixy about football, absolutely nowt. There’s my proof I said it & that’s final

      • JohnnyH

        Only because your fat mate wouldn’t pay for a quality striker.

    • Thomas Tonel

      Well, you obviously dont know a thing about football. I watched the game yesterday and that statistic is rubbish. Out of five shots yesterday that i saw, he scored one goal, one excellent shot with his left foot and three headers, those headers are impossible to reach for any other striker but MITRO. Like the commentators said yesterday, look how much higher he jumps over his defender and the hang time.Amazing! Those are DIFFICULT shots, for any other player they wouldnt even count as shots but he managed to reach them and hit. And he hit crossbar, so thats why you should’ve watch the game and not judge him because of some crapy statistical prediction. MITROGOAL is the Man!! And fat spanish waiter had so MUCH credit for so long for his anti football tactic, washed out coach with his carrier on decline. HE needs to go, no more excuses.

      • Mike Adam

        Spot on !!!

      • Paul Patterson

        Different SYSTEM. Fulham play a different SYSTEM. And we don’t have a clinical striker. Mitrovic isn’t that clinical striker. If the MONEY we got for Mitrovic was spent on one, we would be FAR better off. FACT.

        • Mike Adam

          Yeah, fortunately I am not a native Geordie. I only say that because I feel bad for you all having to put up with Ashley and what he has done to the club. I am from the US and have supported NUFC for almost 20 years. Paul you can say what you want, but I for one would rather watch that different system and that non-clinical striker everyday of the week over the boring garbage that has become the toon. Those are the FACTS for me. I fortunately can change who I support because I am not a native and cannot watch inept NUFC anymore, except when they play Fulham of course.

          • Paul Patterson

            So your opinion is a waste of time.
            Why just Fulham?

          • Mike Adam

            What is a waste of time, is watching NUFC anymore. I will only watch them when they play Fulham because I now watch and support them after supporting NUFC for almost 20 years. Just cannot watch it anymore. As I said, I am from the US and not native to Newcastle. So Paul my opinion is the only one that counts to me, you can call it a waste of time if you wish.

          • Paul Patterson

            And your commenting on a NEWCASTLE fan site. Again, why Fulham?

          • Mike Adam

            Why switch to Fulham? Because I am a huge Mitro fan and they play exciting attacking football. Newcastle puts me to sleep, 14 times shut out last season and well on the way to it again.

          • Paul Patterson

            So change your Avatar To Mitrovic, leave this site and join a Fulham one. You’re not a Newcastle fan.
            It would be like someone supporting Spurs but then switching to Madrid when they sign Kane.
            You’re a waste of time..

          • Mike Adam

            Thank you. Enjoy the mind numbing football.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Exactly. You don’t leave your team

          • Mike Adam

            Watching Newcastle play football is the waste of time. Good luck, I hope you guys get a new owner, who invests in the team.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            What should they play then, cricket or hop scotch maybe?

          • Mike Adam

            No matter what Leazes says, football is entertainment, all sports are. Newcastle provides very little entertainment, especially to an outsider who has other options when it comes to teams to watch.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Well watch another team, no ones forcing you. It’s your prerogative.

          • Billmag

            Sorry Mike but personally there is no way I could post on an NUFC site after changing my allegiance to another club that’s your choice of course but I for one won’t be responding to you in future.

          • Mike Adam

            Just thought some of you would give credit where credit is due when it comes to Mitro. That is the only reason I am coming on here because quite frankly it is not a very friendly place. Anyone with a different opinion or who questions this manager is called names and a Lee brother.

          • Billmag

            I respected your thoughts on Mitro he divides opinion but as far as I’m concerned he doesn’t play for us anymore, you say Fulham is your team now after supporting NUFC for 20 years for me that is sacrilege, my hero in the seventies was Super Mac but I didn’t go and support Arsenal when he left that’s the reason I won’t after this post respond to you.

          • Mike Adam

            I am not a Geordie though, in fact I have never even been to Newcastle. Shearer is my all time favorite player, and when we finally were able to watch real soccer from Europe here in the US he was the best and most exciting player I saw. Then the movie “Goal” came out and I learned more about NUFC and the city of Newcastle and they were my team. but after the last two or three years, I cannot watch it anymore. See it cannot be sacrilege for me, but I understand how it is for Geordies. If I was raised on NUFC and from there it would be different, but I want to be entertained. NUFC plays mind numbing, boring, goaless football.

          • Ram Kishore

            It’s not a friendly place for people with different opinions but that shouldn’t be the reason for switching the support i think.
            Just look at Monkseaton, he takes things to the chin and moves on.
            U r old enough to know that u don’t need online world to be friendly or have people with open mind.. whether they have that or not ur voice will and always be heard..

          • Ram Kishore

            Now u just kinda lost me.. so u r switching your support to Fulham because the football isn’t attractive?

        • Billmag

          Paul him that you are responding to comes across with the same patter as that other fool we had on this message board acca ghost writer.

      • Superdooperhooper

        You’ll get your wish at the end of the season. I wonder which top manager ashley will get in? Strachan moyes o’leary curbishley or dare we dream of Phil ‘the sunbed’ brown?

  • Leicester Mag

    Scored 10 goals as a 20 yr old in a relegated team. Never played in the championship. Plays well in a couple of games gets tagged by MOTD for a barge, banned retrospectively and then farmed out on loan. Huge success on loan, plays well in world cup and then sold. Seems no 2nd chance with Rafa. Have we got it wrong? Yes especially as the sacksht was never going to sanction the money to buy better. Could argue a similar failing with other inherited younger players Kevin Mbambu for one.

    • Clarko

      Benitez got his first choice replacement in Rondon.

      Mitrovic, Mbemba, Mbabu, Thauvin and even Merino. The mistakes keep on stacking up.

      • GlasgowMag
      • Polarboy

        Benitez did not get his first choice. Plea was his first choice out of what he thought he MIGHT be able to get. Plea currently has 2 in 4 for Gladbach. To say that Rondon would ever be his first choice given a decent transfer budget is ludicrous. It’s Joselu all over again, albeit Rondon, at least in the past, has shown more than Joselu has.

        • Clarko

          ‘As part of the deal to secure Rafa Benítez’s number one transfer target’ – NUFC Official site

          ‘Salomon Rondon remains Rafa Benitez’s No 1 summer target – despite renewed links with Nicolai Jorgensen and Alassane Plea’ – Shields Gazette

          ‘Rondon was Rafa Benitez’s first choice striker this summer’ – Independent

          • Polarboy

            So what you’re saying is that I should implicitly trust any info put out by the club? How about f*ck no. Benitez was not and never will be quoted as saying that Rondon would be his first choice given a decent budget. Only a simpleton would believe that a 2 million loan of Rondon was Benitez’s first choice. Ashley’s PR machine are proven liars, so how about you wake the f*ck up.

          • Clarko

            I also quoted the Shields Gazette and the Independent, the Chronicle also covered it on their podcast. He was his first choice, it’s just factual information.

          • Toon Arnie

            So once again – why wasn’t Rafa allowed to buy him and only allowed a loan deal when there was clearly money in the bank ? Can you answer this or not ?

          • Clarko

            Because Ashley/Barnes didn’t like the deal, they didn’t think it was good business to buy a failed, relegated, 28 year old striker (now 29), with 1 year left on his contract (at the time) for £16.5m.

          • Toon Arnie

            Surely not ? Lee Charnley has full control of transfers doesn’t he ? Ashley even said that himself – are you saying he’s not being entirely truthful ? How do you know all this when Ashley refuses to communicate with Rafa never mind the fans ?

          • Clarko

            ‘Lee Charnley has full control of transfers doesn’t he?’

            No.

            ‘Ashley even said that himself – are you saying he’s not being entirely truthful?’

            Yes, although I don’t recall Ashley stating that Charnley has ‘full control of transfers’.

            ‘How do you know all this when Ashley refuses to communicate with Rafa never mind the fans?’

            Not true, Ashley has done interviews in the past trying to communicate with the fans and he is in communication with Benitez, go and check out the article published by the Chronicle in the summer called ‘Rafa Benitez big interview: On meeting Mike Ashley, contract talks and Newcastle’s transfer approach’.

          • Toon Arnie

            … and yet only a few days ago Rafa has said he has targets lined up and will have to see if money is available. This is despite an August surplus and tv revenue. Ashley did a scripted interview on Sky saying we couldn’t compete with Man City but didn’t comment on why we couldn’t compete with Brighton, Burnley, Huddersfield etc. Rafa has repeatedly aired his frustration at not knowing his transfer budget.
            Ashley has said on more than one occasion that Charnley is in charge of the transfers.
            You’re making a fool of yourself now and have contradicted yourself so many times you’re tying yourself up in knots.

          • Toon Arnie

            … oh and let’s not forget Ashley cancelled the last Fans Forum right at the last minute.

          • Clarko

            Where did I contradict myself? Quote me.

            Where did Ashley say that Charnley was in charge of transfers (I didn’t deny it)? Quote him.

            Why are you talking about what Benitez said a ‘few days ago’ and the January transfer window? That has no relation to what you were talking/asking about…

            Lying again.

          • Wezza

            You are officially the saddest, Man U supporting, Tory piece of scum ever – that got exposed again and again. Seek help and get a life.
            Oh and you’re blocked!

          • Ram Kishore

            Loaning rondon seems better than spending 16.5m in one go. Clarko is right on this one imo

          • Toon Arnie

            Ram I think you might have slightly missed the point of the debate. Clarko was originally stating that Rafa got his first choice in the transfer window. I argued that getting Rondon on loan wouldn’t have been what Rafa put forward as his first choice and he should have been given some of the transfer excess to spend. Clarko then tripped himself fo up again by stating Ashley actually blocked the permanent move so Rafa didn’t get his first choice anyway !! Clarko is just anti – Rafa and not a Newcastle fan at all.

          • Ram Kishore

            If Rondon was Rafa’s first choice i would have preferred him to be brought earlier but loan move seems less riskier.
            The more and more i read the debate between u and Clark.i must have got confused ig.😂😂
            Cheers

          • Polarboy

            Give me one quote from Rafa saying he was his first choice. The media can only report on what is put out by the club. Regardless when you have basically f*ck all for a budget your player of choice is going to be very different from what it would be if you had a decent budget. It’s like saying a working class women’s first choice is a six pack of chicken fillets over fillet steaks or lobster.

          • Clarko

            No, the media have their sources, the media reported that Rondon was first choice months before the club confirmed it.

            Give me quote from Benitez saying that Rondon wasn’t his first choice?

            Remember when Benitez was “forced” to buy Joselu after missing out on Abraham (his first choice) in the 17/18 summer window, he wouldn’t shut up about it. Rondon was his number one target, don’t be that guy who ignores the evidence.

          • Paul Patterson

            No manager will publicly denounce a signing. He wasn’t first choice, end of.

          • Clarko

            I never asked for a quote denouncing anyone, I asked for any evidence that suggests that Rondon wasn’t his first choice, I asked for evidence that shows that my sources aren’t credible.

            It’s funny I remember in the 17/18 summer when Newcastle missed out on Abraham (Benitez’s first choice) and Benitez was “forced” to buy Joselu he was quite vocal about it:

            (In regards to the transfer window) “We are where we are because we did what we did.”

            “The story is, as I said before, we missed our targets.”

            “I’m not happy, but at the same time it’s a challenge. It’s very hard – the prices are crazy. We missed some targets at the beginning, and I think we’re paying for that.”

            Where is your evidence?

          • Paul Patterson

            Thanks. You’ve rather conveniently proved my point and saved me time looking for quotes.
            “We missed some targets and I think we are paying for that”
            I went into Tesco yesterday and couldn’t find the fresh Chicken. Instead got frozen Hake.
            I not happy with that but will have to work with what I’ve got.

          • Clarko

            Those quotes were from 2017… He was talking about Abraham and Caballero… I was asking for your quotes, from 2018, quotes that talk about Rondon… Where are they?

            Reading is hard for some people.

          • Billmag

            Abraham (loan).

          • Polarboy

            The burden of proof isn’t on me it’s on you, so no I don’t have to prove a negative. This whole argument is besides the point when his budget, if you can even call it that, restricts him to a certain level of player. Media sources can and do quote people when they can, and there is no quote from Rafa saying Rondon would be his first choice if he had a decent budget. There is a quote from Rafa saying that there was first, second and third choices on his list of players and they weren’t even buying the third. Here’s the quote:

            “It’s not ideal,” says Benítez, who, as well as a new striker, covets a No 10, a winger, a central midfielder and defensive cover. “I was maybe expecting something different. People have to realise we’re not signing the first [choice] on our list. Or the second. Or the third.”

            It’s from the middle of June this past summer in a guardian article.
            So I didn’t give you a quote saying that Rondon specifically wasn’t his first choice, but clearly the players he’s going after by his own words, and not unattributed cr*p put out by the club, are not even his third choice.

          • Clarko

            And I provided proof… It’s now your job to counter that proof or accept it, you done neither, all you have done is tried to change the subject to budget when that wasn’t to topic under discussion. If you want to talk about budget you have to settle the initial issue first.

            On your quote, as you mention, not only are there no specifics/names, but there is no other details surrounding the quote, there is no question relating to the quote, no one else has used or reported that quote and there is no timeline, I don’t know when he said that quote, that quote could be pulled from years ago. I believe you (not your fault) have used a misquote from the passage below:

            Asked if he needed to sell to buy, Benitez said: “It seems it is more or less like that. “(I have) to manage the players who have value in the market and see if we can find some players at the right price. It’s not ideal, but we’ll try to manage the best way possible. I was expecting maybe something different, but we will manage what is going on and try to be sure that we bring the best players possible with the conditions we have and try to improve the squad.”

          • Polarboy

            Lol, you are just embarrassing yourself now. The quote as I said is from this past June. I’d link the article but the message board bars me from doing so. And no it’s not from that passage, it’s a direct quote that has not been changed. Copy and paste that entire second paragraph into google and the original Guardian article will come up. As for the budget it’s a crucial point when speaking of what a managers choices are in terms of players. I would have thought that was self evident to everyone.

          • Clarko

            No, I found the article by Lousie Taylor that uses the quote. But there is no information surrounding that quote. No other media outlet has used it. She published the piece in July, which makes me believe that she has misquoted what Benitez said (to the Shields Gazette) in July at Carlton House:

            “(I have) to manage the players who have value in the market and see if we can find some players at the right price. It’s not ideal, but we’ll try to manage the best way possible. I was expecting maybe something different, but we will manage what is going on and try to be sure that we bring the best players possible with the conditions we have and try to improve the squad.”

            There is no information in the article you provided by Louise Taylor, she just talks about Benitez ‘hitting his head against a brick wall’ and then drops the quote that you have used. I can’t put a date on it, there is no relating information and I can’t find the quote anywhere else.

          • Polarboy

            Lol, you are talking absolute sh*te. You’re making yourself look like a complete plum, if it’s even possible for you to look any worse that you already do. There is clearly a date/timeline on the article and quote when she’s speaking of us going to Ireland for pre-season and Rafa’s repetitive strain injury. Only someone acting out of desperation would try to say that a sports journalist would include an old quote, without mentioning it, that pre-dates the rest of an article. There is no way someone could misquote the quote you keep desperately bringing up to the point that he specifically talks of first, second and third choice players.

          • Clarko

            Why are you trying to attack me? Why are you being all aggressive and defensive?

            I know the date of the article, I don’t know the date of the quote or where the quote came from.

            She quotes that Mike Ashley believes that Benitez’s “jewel in the crown” presence could prove the key to selling Newcastle. Where has Mike Ashley said that about Benitez?

          • Polarboy

            Because you are an intransigent idiot who is apparently an Ashley supporter.

          • Clarko

            Where did I show any support to Ashley? Quote me. And make sure you don’t use misquote this time.

          • Polarboy

            I said apparently because I’ve seen others call you that. Thankfully I don’t spend too much time reading your comments. One thing is for sure, you are an intransigent idiot.

          • Clarko

            You have a habit of just taking other peoples word for something don’t you? If someone says something then it must be true right? How did that work out earlier?

          • Polarboy

            Neither of those journalist misrepresented what Rafa said you mega plum.

          • Clarko

            Lousie Taylor did.

          • Polarboy

            It’s not a misrepresentation if the intent and meaning are exactly the same. You’re denser than osmium.

          • Clarko

            It was a misquote and the intent wasn’t the same. Louise Taylor made it appear as though Benitez was suggesting that his signings/targets were ‘not ideal’, she made it appear that he ‘was expecting something different’ in terms of players coming in. Really he was just talking about the lack of money available to spend.

          • Polarboy

            Nonsense. The basic gist of both quotes was that given lack of money he wasn’t able to sign even his third choice when it came to players. So yes not being able to sign even your third choice is not ideal. And the Gazette article makes it clear that Rafa was expecting more money to spend. So while she didn’t quote him exactly she didn’t misrepresent him overall.

          • Clarko

            She did.

            ‘No, he is suffering from RSI (repetitive strain injury) after not only declining to take a summer holiday but rejecting an offer to manage Spain on a temporary basis at the World Cup in order to devote June to phoning and emailing contacts about transfer targets. All that time on the laptop and mobile has played havoc with his hand and he’s also ended up feeling he’s been hitting his head against a brick wall. “It’s not ideal,” says Benítez, who, as well as a new striker, covets a No 10, a winger, a central midfielder and defensive cover. “I was maybe expecting something different. People have to realise we’re not signing the first [choice] on our list. Or the second. Or the third.”’

            Not once was money mentioned or alluded to in the above quote.

          • Polarboy

            And why exactly would he be hitting his head against a wall if it wasn’t an allusion to how little money he has to spend. He’s also quoted in that article just before that as talking about how much money are rivals were spending.

          • Clarko

            He would be hitting his head against the wall because the players he is signing are ‘not ideal’.

            There was no talk of money or budget in that segment.

            This getting incredibly silly, you used a misquote, you were wrong, get over it.

          • Polarboy

            Your whole thesis is that Rondon was definitely Rafa’s first choice, I gave you a quote that completely contradicts that regardless of what source it’s from, get over it. And why would they not be ideal? Because he doesn’t have enough money to buy ones that are you absolute pillock. Your reading comprehension is worse than a below average eight year old.

          • Polarboy

            No it implies that he’s been trying very hard to get players given he gave himself repetitive strain injury. If you are having a hard to getting players it clearly implies that you don’t have a lot of money to spend. As for the last part it is you who attempted to say that quote I provided was a completely different section, and you who’ve been proven wrong about Rondon given Rafa very clearly has stated he can’t even sign third choice players.

          • Clarko

            Money isn’t mentioned. You used a misquote. You were wrong.

          • Polarboy

            My entire point was that Rafa had said he can’t even sign his third choice, so no I was not wrong because both quotes state exactly that. You were wrong twice over in that you said the quote was a misrepresentation of an entirely different passage, and you were wrong because you said Rondon was his first choice. As for money, if you can’t comprehend that’s what’s being talked about I can’t help you. The fact that you are trying to gain a victory through a slightly differently worded quote, when that entirely misses the point given they state the same thing, is pathetic beyond belief.

          • Clarko

            Dude, you’re trying to have the same conversation twice, I’ve covered this on another thread. On top of all that now you’re lying:

            ‘you said the quote was a misrepresentation of an entirely different passage’

            That’s a lie. We’ve been through it, I can’t argue or have a discussion with a liar, I can’t argue or have a discussion with someone calls me an idiot when they are the one that used a misquote…

          • Polarboy

            Oh yes because quoting the Guardian when a quote from them is worded slightly differently is mortal sin. Somehow I’m responsible for a journalist not writing a quote word for word even when the intent and meaning are the same. Pedantry and semantics don’t even cover your actions. And yes you tried to say that this passage:

            “It seems it is more or less like that. “(I have) to manage the players who have value in the market and see if we can find some players at the right price. It’s not ideal, but we’ll try to manage the best way possible. I was expecting maybe something different, but we will manage what is going on and try to be sure that we bring the best players possible with the conditions we have and try to improve the squad.”

            was where the quote about third choice players not even being signed came from, that the journalist had somehow completely misconstrued this passage and came up with the quote I provided.

          • Clarko

            We’ve already been through this. Part of the quote was in that passage and the other part of the quote (about the third choice) was in another. I provided both passages once I had both passages. This has been said many times and explained many times but you just keep ignoring it.

          • Polarboy

            Jesus Christ, how many times do you have to be told something. Here is what you said near the start of our entirely pointless conversation.

            “On your quote, as you mention, not only are there no specifics/names, but there is no other details surrounding the quote, there is no question relating to the quote, no one else has used or reported that quote and there is no timeline, I don’t know when he said that quote, that quote could be pulled from years ago. Maybe you (not your fault) have used a misquote from the passage below:

            Asked if he needed to sell to buy, Benitez said: “It seems it is more or less like that. (I have) to manage the players who have value in the market and see if we can find some players at the right price. It’s not ideal, but we’ll try to manage the best way possible. I was expecting maybe something different, but we will manage what is going on and try to be sure that we bring the best players possible with the conditions we have and try to improve the squad.”

            This in response to my quote about third choice players. As I said you tried to say that the quote was in fact a misquote of the above passage earlier in the article.

          • Clarko

            WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS YOU COMPLETE F*****G MORON. TWICE.

            I LATER PROVIDED THE SCOND PASSAGE WHEN I KNEW IT EXISTED YOU COMPLETE F*****G MORON:

            IT WAS ABSOLUTLEY A MISQUOTE. I WAS RIGHT.

            “It seems it is more or less like that. “(I have) to manage the players who have value in the market and see if we can find some players at the right price. It’s not ideal, but we’ll try to manage the best way possible. I was expecting maybe something different, but we will manage what is going on and try to be sure that we bring the best players possible with the conditions we have and try to improve the squad.”

            “There’s another message for our fans. If anyone wants to criticise anyone of our players, they have to realise it’s not that you are signing the first on your list or the the second of the third.”

            NOT THE SAME AS:

            “It’s not ideal”

            “I was maybe expecting something different. People have to realise we’re not signing the first [choice] on our list. Or the second. Or the third.”

          • Polarboy

            Lmao, you are truly dumb. I’m not talking about the difference between the Guardians quote and the Gazette’s one with regard not signing third choice players. You literally said that the first quoted paragraph above was where the Guardian quote came from, as opposed to them misquoting the part in the second paragraph that actually talked about not signing third choice players. You were trying to say that Rafa likely never said anything about not signing third choice players. It’s just getting sad now. How many times do you want to be proven wrong.

          • Clarko

            ‘You were trying to say that Rafa likely never said anything about not signing third choice players’

            Quote me saying that. I never said it, I just couldn’t find it/didn’t see it, I’m not the one who used a dodgy quote dummy. This would be an example of your lying.

          • Polarboy

            Lol, not once have I lied. Here’s the quote again:

            “Maybe you (not your fault) have used a misquote from the passage below:

            Asked if he needed to sell to buy, Benitez said: “It seems it is more or less like that. (I have) to manage the players who have value in the market and see if we can find some players at the right price. It’s not ideal, but we’ll try to manage the best way possible. I was expecting maybe something different, but we will manage what is going on and try to be sure that we bring the best players possible with the conditions we have and try to improve the squad.”

            You literally said the above was likely the third player quote that had been badly misquoted. So yes you were trying to say that he likely said the above instead of the third player quote. Go back to near the very start and this is literally the response I got when I used the Guardian third player quote. Believe it or don’t it’s still the truth.

          • Clarko

            ‘Maybe you (not your fault) have used a misquote from the passage below’

            Is not the same as:

            ‘You literally said the above was likely the third player quote that had been badly misquoted. So yes you were trying to say that he likely said the above instead of the third player quote.’

            You’re lying and you’re stupid.

          • Polarboy

            Lmao, F*cking hell you really do not know when to tap out. That’s what you were trying to say, are you actually going to go down the pedantry, semantic route again. Yes, you tried to say that the third player quote was likely (maybe) instead a badly misquoted version of the start of the gazette article.

          • Clarko

            ‘Maybe you (not your fault) have used a misquote from the passage below’

            Is not the same as:

            ‘You literally said the above was likely the third player quote that had been badly misquoted. So yes you were trying to say that he likely said the above instead of the third player quote.’

            Not even close to being similar, you’re stupid. And you did use a misquote, I was right, just FYI.

          • Polarboy

            Face palm, Do I really have to explain again that just because something isn’t a word for word quote it can mean exactly the same thing. The only quibble you could have had is if I said you said I definitely had gotten a quote that was a massive misinterpretation of the start of the gazette article. What I did was make sure to use likely instead of maybe which doesn’t misrepresent what you said.

          • Clarko

            ‘Maybe you (not your fault) have used a misquote from the passage below’

            Is not the same as:

            ‘You literally said the above was likely the third player quote that had been badly misquoted. So yes you were trying to say that he likely said the above instead of the third player quote.’

            Don’t mean the same thing, again not even close, pathetic.

          • Polarboy

            Keep telling yourself that. Your comment and my interpretation say exactly the same thing, as in you thought the can’t sign third choice quote was a misrepresentation of the earlier entirely different passage.

          • Clarko

            ‘Your comment and my interpretation say exactly the same thing’

            😂 😂 😂

            Imagine just reading a comment and taking it as it is… Not even close.

          • Polarboy

            You’re a sad case. You tried to say that I’d likely found a quote that was bad misinterpretation of an entirely different passage, end of. Anything else is just your usual waffle and pedantry in the desperate act of clawing back credibility. Just to let you know, it’s not working in even the slightest way.

          • Clarko

            ‘Maybe you (not your fault) have used a misquote from the passage below’

            Is not the same as:

            ‘You literally said the above was likely the third player quote that had been badly misquoted. So yes you were trying to say that he likely said the above instead of the third player quote.’

            Not the same dumb dumb.

          • Polarboy

            Sad!!!!

          • Clarko

            Stupid.

          • Polarboy

            No, we’ve already covered who the imbecile is.

          • Clarko

            By ‘we’ve’ do you mean you and your imaginati… I mean you and your interpretation or?

            😂 😂 😂

          • Polarboy

            Cringe. If anyone has ever told you you are witty or funny they were lying. If it’s a self delusion you should snap out of it.

          • Clarko

            My interpretation of your comment is telling me that you actually mean I am very witty and very funny.

            Thanks pal 👍🏿

          • Polarboy

            Over fifth-teen minutes for that. Please don’t give up the day job. A writers room job does not await.

          • Clarko

            You were wrong.

            Have fun Mr. Misquote 👋🏼

          • Polarboy

            Your delusion is impressive given that you’ve provably been wrong repeatedly.

          • Polarboy

            Lol, just checked and it was from the Carlton House press meeting. Google this exact quote you provided,

            “It seems it is more or less like that. “(I have) to manage the players who have value in the market and see if we can find some players at the right price. It’s not ideal, but we’ll try to manage the best way possible. I was expecting maybe something different, but we will manage what is going on and try to be sure that we bring the best players possible with the conditions we have and try to improve the squad.”

            Then read the entire Shields Gazette article. The line about not signing first, second or third choice players is part of the same article that the quote above appears. So no it’s not a misquote, it’s Rafa expanding on what he means later in the same interview. So you’ve either knowingly left out that part of the article, or didn’t even read the entire article. Either you are a total and utter plum. Lmao.

          • Clarko

            IT WAS ABSOLUTLEY A MISQUOTE. I WAS RIGHT.

            “It seems it is more or less like that. “(I have) to manage the players who have value in the market and see if we can find some players at the right price. It’s not ideal, but we’ll try to manage the best way possible. I was expecting maybe something different, but we will manage what is going on and try to be sure that we bring the best players possible with the conditions we have and try to improve the squad.”

            “There’s another message for our fans. If anyone wants to criticise anyone of our players, they have to realise it’s not that you are signing the first on your list or the the second of the third.”

            NOT THE SAME AS:

            “It’s not ideal”

            “I was maybe expecting something different. People have to realise we’re not signing the first [choice] on our list. Or the second. Or the third.”

          • Polarboy

            Hahahahah, Christ you are an idiot. How exactly is the intent or meaning different when you compare the two. If you actually take a victory from the entirely semantic point that it’s not a word for word quote you are sadder than I realised. Who’s to say the Guardian reporter wasn’t the one to more accurately take down his words. In any case regardless both quotes state exactly the same thing, as in Benitez is not able to sign even his third choice when it comes to players.

          • Clarko

            I will take the ‘victory’ because it was absolutley a misquote, I was right and you were wrong:

            ‘Lol you are just embarrassing yourself now. The quote as I said is from this past June. I’d link the article but the message board bars me from doing so. And no it’s not from that passage, it’s a direct quote that has not been changed’

            ‘You’re making yourself look like a complete plum, if it’s even possible for you to look any worse that you already do’

            ‘Only someone acting out of desperation would try to say that a sports journalist would include an old quote, without mentioning it, that pre-dates the rest of an article. There is no way someone could misquote the quote you keep desperately bringing up to the point that he specifically talks of first, second and third choice players.’

            How embarrassing.

          • Polarboy

            Lmao, You said it was an entirely different passage from the same article. It’s just as well you are easily pleased I suppose. Jesus, you really don’t know when to give up. How can you not see how idiotic you look. Your whole point on this board was that Rondon was his first choice and that there was no proof that he wasn’t. Well I’ve given you a quote from Rafa that states that he’s not been able to sign even his third choice when buying players this past summer. Surely even you can see how sad it is to hang on to two quotes being sightly differently, but saying the exact same thing that backs up my point and destroys yours.

          • Clarko

            Part of the quote was in one passage and the other part was in another. I provided both passages.

            ‘Well I’ve given you a quote from Rafa’

            No you didn’t, you provided a misquote and when I tried to argue that it was a misquote you called me desperate, you called me a plum, you called me embarrassing and you said, and I quote, ‘it’s a direct quote that has not been changed’, you were wrong. I provided the actual quote.

            Now, let’s talk about the actual quote, when Benitez said that it was ‘not ideal’ he was referring to his budget, not his signings and not his list of players, he goes on to say that he will try and and ‘bring the best players possible’ under the ‘conditions’ that he has to work under. He then goes on to mention that if fans want ‘to criticise anyone of our players’, players that are already with the club, not future targets, they may not have been ‘the first’ on his list. It is important to note that at this point (~18th July), Benitez had already been rejected the £16.5m for Rondon’s release clause, this quote was taken after he had already been told no from the ownership, he said these things believing he wasn’t able to get Rondon, his first choice.

          • Polarboy

            Jesus, are you actually autistic because I apologise if you are. Read the article again. The entire article is about his transfer activity for this past summer. We’d already signed three players by the time of that article so that’s why he spoke of our players. The question directly before he says

            “I hope so, said Benitez. I have been trying hard for two months to be sure we have players to bring in on loan. If you don’t act quickly, then you lose the opportunity, and the next player is more difficult and the next maybe doesn’t have the same quality.

            There’s another message for our fans. If anyone wants to criticise anyone of our players, they have to realise it’s not that you are signing the first on your list or the the second of the third”.

            is “Can Benitez improve his squad with a shoestring budget?” The actual question at the time was clearly, Rafa can you improve your squad on a tight budget?

            As for what you said about Rondon that is an assumption about the timeline, or even the fact that Rafa wanted to spend 16.5 million on Rondon unless I see quotes. The papers continually talk nonsense about the supposed ins and outs of transfers. Most of it is stuff put out by agents. And regardless the fact that he says anyone he’s singing are not even his third choice overrides that point. There’s not getting away from the fact that Rafa given a decent budget would not sign Rondon.

          • Clarko

            ‘Jesus, are you actually autistic because I apologise if you are’

            I’m not the who provided a misquote and then insulted the person that suggested it was a misquote… Where did I say the article wasn’t about transfer activity?

            It’s not an assumption, it was what happened, from an article posted from the Chronicle on June 18th:

            ‘Benitez was keen on signing West Bromwich Albion striker Salomon Rondon, but the overall cost of the transfer could prove to be too much for United. New Baggies boss Darren Moore is keen to offload Rondon to raise funds to bring in players to aid West Brom’s Championship promotion bid. Rondon has a £16.5million release clause but the player’s personal terms and agent and signing on fees would see the transfer package spiral significantly and Benitez knows he is only initially getting a similar kitty to last summer when around £40million was spent on new faces.’

          • Polarboy

            No you tried to say that the quote I provided was actually another entirely different passage in the same article. And you tried to say Rafa was referring only to players signed before the summer just past when that clearly wasn’t the case. You were totally wrong in every aspect, I was wrong in only a very semantic sense. As for your quote about Rondon, nowhere in that quote does it state that Rafa thought Rondon was either worth 16.5 million or in any way his first choice if he had actual money to spend. He’s quoted as saying that “anyone” they sign is not even their third choice. Anyone includes every player we signed this summer.

          • Clarko

            Part of your quote was in the passage I provided dummy! See the capitalised words.

            “It seems it is more or less like that. “(I have) to manage the players who have value in the market and see if we can find some players at the right price. IT’S NOT IDEAL, but we’ll try to manage the best way possible. I WAS EXPECTING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, but we will manage what is going on and try to be sure that we bring the best players possible with the conditions we have and try to improve the squad.”

            The quote I provided in my previous comment confirmed that Benitez wanted Rondon and was refused before the trip to Ireland when he made the quotes. I have already provided quotes from the NUFC website, the Shields Gazette and the Independent stating that he was Benitez’s his number one choice.

          • Polarboy

            You are literally the most moronic person I’ve encountered on the internet, and that’s tough list to even get on. I was expecting something different is referring to his overall budget given he was told he’d have to sell to buy. And again a direct quote from Rafa that states that “anyone” they sign isn’t even third choice supersedes any unattributed waffle from the papers.

          • Clarko

            You’re not helping yourself, you used a misquote, I tried to tell you and you just kept on insulting me, you keep on insulting, do you not get how stupid that makes you look? The only person who has done anything moronic here is you mister ‘it’s a direct quote that has not been changed’.

            In the actual quote, that I provided not you, Benitez does not name Rondon and this was before Newcastle had signed Rondon, Benitez was speaking out after being told by Ashley that he can’t have Rondon because he’s too expensive. Simple stuff.

          • Polarboy

            I know exactly how stupid it makes you look to keep bringing a quote up being worded slightly differently but conveying that exact same thought, when the meat of the argument is what he meant not how it was said word for word. That thought being that he can’t sign even his third choice. Rafa clearly stated that ANYONE they sign is not even their third choice which includes past, present and future signings. Again only a simpleton would state that Rondon would be Rafa’s first choice if he had free reign and decent money to spend.

            Simple question, do you think Wagner at Huddersfield would rather have signed someone like Plea for twenty odd million who went to Gladbach and is scoring goals, or is he happy with Depoitre? You sign what you can afford unless you are one of the top six and the fees for the best players aren’t out of your league. The managers who don’t have those finances are not signing their first choice players. You have to be totally brain dead to not grasp that simple fact.

          • Clarko

            Again as I’ve just said other thread, you’re just repeating yourself over and over again on topics that I’ve covered. Now your trying to misrepresent what Benitez said. He never said that ‘ANYONE they sign is not even their third choice’ did he? No, he didn’t and you’re lying again, he said the following:

            “If anyone wants to criticise anyone of our players, they have to realise it’s not that you are signing the first on your list or the the second of the third.”

            ‘Again only a simpleton would state that Rondon would be Rafa’s first choice if he had free reign and decent money to spend’

            You’ve resorted to lying again because you’re so desperate (I know you like that word). I never said anything about money.

          • Polarboy

            I have to repeat myself because you keep bringing up the same points that I’ve already dismissed. The only thing you’ve covered is showing what an imbecile you are. Holy f*ck how are you even literate. “If anyone wants to criticise ANYONE of our players…..” Just exactly how dumb are you? He refers to all his players present and future and then states the players they are signing are not even third choice. What exactly aren’t you getting?

            As for you not saying anything about money, lets say your actual intention was that Rondon was Rafa’s first choice with the money he had to spend. I don’t believe that’s what you meant, but just for argument sake. That would still mean that Rondon was not Rafa’s first choice and you would have made the exact point I just made about Wagner and not signing who you want given money constraints.

          • Clarko

            Well of course Rondon was his first choice with the budget he had dummy, Rondon was actually too expensive for his budget which is what I been saying this ENTIRE TIME:

            ‘Benitez had already been rejected the £16.5m for Rondon’s release clause, this quote was taken after he had already been told no from the ownership, he said these things believing he wasn’t able to get Rondon, his first choice’

            Using your dummy logic you can argue that not a single manager gets their first choice because they can’t afford Messi or Ronaldo…

          • Polarboy

            You’re making a giant assumption that he said those things in response to Rondon while stating it as fact, par for the course for you of course. And as far as I recall you’ve never said that Rondon was his first choice based on the small budget he had. You never once, again as far as I recall, added that qualifier until now. As for your Messi and Ronaldo response it is of course the oversimplification someone like you would make.

            Rafa is stating that he can’t even sign his third choice. Of course everyone would want the handful of top players in their team, so the logic still holds, but the point is that the top six can at least sign their second choices in forward positions and their first in the less expensive areas.

            Rafa also wanted Plea who was going to cost north of twenty million, so what does that tell about where he and Rondon lay in the pecking order. And again the timing of the quote is meaningless when he says anyone they sign will be worse than third choice. Rafa can not sign even his third choice in any area of the pitch let alone in the forward areas.

          • Clarko

            I was arguing that Rondon was his first choice. He was his first choice. You were arguing that he wasn’t his first choice, that’s incorrect, you’re wrong. This isn’t a budget argument, this is argument about who his first choice was.

            ‘Rafa is stating that he can’t even sign his third choice’ – He never said that you’re lying.

            Rondon was his first choice, over Plea. Again, you’re not really grasping this whole first choice thing are you?

          • Polarboy

            Once again how many times do you have to be told something. Where is Rafa quoted as saying Rondon was his first choice over Plea. Ashely’s PR spin if completely transparent to everyone but you apparently. Common sense would tell you the higher rated, younger, more expensive player would be his first choice.

            “Rafa is stating that he can’t even sign his third choice’ – He never said that you’re lying.”

            What is your defect, seriously.

            “If anyone wants to criticise anyone of our players, they have to realise it’s not that you are signing the first on your list, or the second, of the third.”

            Are you seriously that poor when it comes to reading comprehension that you would try to say that’s not exactly what he said in the above quote. Or again are you just that stupid and desperate.

          • Clarko

            Ok calling you a liar on particular occasion was wrong. Same meaning, my mistake.

            Where is Benitez quoted saying that Plea was his first choice? Do you believe Ashley tells the Independent or the Shields Gazette what to say? Do you have any evidence of this?

            It really doesn’t matter, the timeline matters:

            1) Rondon is Benitez’s number one choice.
            2) Benitez is rejected the release clause.
            3) Benitez makes those comments in Ireland think he can’t get his number one target Rondon.
            4) Benitez is given permission to sign Rondon in a swap loan.
            5) Benitez is happy with the Rondon signing and has made no comments since.

          • Polarboy

            1) There is no quote from anywhere that he was. The only direct quote we have is that ANYONE there are signing won’t even be their third choice.
            2)Him trying to get him is not proof that he’s his first choice given reasonable backing.
            3)He never mentioned Rondon and was talking in a general sense about players, as in plural. You trying to say he was specifically talking about Rondon is a feat of mind reading.
            4)So, read above.
            5) Rafa is not going to malign his striker to knock his confidence. He’s may have made comments in the past about not getting Abraham, which I’d like to see, but that doesn’t mean he’ll always complain if he thinks it’s pointless or counter productive.

          • Clarko

            A quote that happened before Rondon was signed…

            Rondon was first choice.

          • Polarboy

            ? A quote from who? What nonsense are you spouting. And in answer to your question about Ashley telling the media what to say, yes it’s been proven that his PR and he are proven liars and manipulators. Do I have to even bring up Keegan’s court case.

          • Clarko

            I asked you for evidence of Ashley telling the Independent/Shields Gazette what to say, I never said anything about Keegan or the court case…

            As for the quote, it’s was made in Ireland before Rondon was signed, it’s not really relevant to Rondon.

          • Polarboy

            Players don’t appear out of thin air. He was aware of all the people they were trying to sign weeks if not months in advance. I’ve run out of words for how thick you are.

          • Polarboy

            And I don’t have to give you evidence that Ashley did leak info, given that it’s been proven and entirely transparent that he does so all the time. Anyone with sense would not take anything that doesn’t include quotes at face value.

          • Clarko

            No evidence or proof. Shocker.

            ‘As part of the deal to secure Rafa Benítez’s number one transfer target’ – NUFC Official site

            ‘Salomon Rondon remains Rafa Benitez’s No 1 summer target – despite renewed links with Nicolai Jorgensen and Alassane Plea’ – Shields Gazette

            ‘Rondon was Rafa Benitez’s first choice striker this summer’ – Independent

          • Polarboy

            Hahaahahaa, where are the quotes? As I’ve already told you I have no reason to take any media coming out of the club at face value. Why is it so hard for you to understand that if a publication contacts the club they can tell them whatever they like, and that the club are proven liars.

          • Clarko

            And you don’t have any evidence or proof to suggest that those quotes came from Ashley. While we’re here did Bush do 9/11 as well? Is the Earth flat? Is the government run by lizard people?

          • Polarboy

            No, I wasn’t in the Newcastle PR room when said publications asked for information, but there’s more than enough evidence that you should never take anything coming out of the club at face value. So my point is likely, while you have nothing to back up those quotes being in any way truthful. Stories about players in papers are mostly nonsense at the best of times, let alone when Ashley’s PR machine is at the other end of the phone.

            In any case all of those quotes could be at least partially true given he ended up only spending a two million loan fee for his main striking position. If you’ve only that much to spend then Rondon is likely the best you could get.

          • Clarko

            Two of those three quotes didn’t come from the club… They came from the Independent and Shields Gazette… You don’t have any proof…

            As discussed before, I’m repeating myself again, Benitez wanted to buy Rondon but the club refused to pay the release clause so Benitez/Charnley had to improvise to get his number one target.

          • Polarboy

            And where did they get their info from? You have literally no proof that they are truthful given there are no quotes and they are likely from club officials who are proven liars. And once again Rafa wanting Rondon does not make him his first choice. All this Rafa was desperate to pay 16.5 million for him and that he was his first choice is in your head with no concrete proof.

          • Clarko

            They are a both a credible sources of information. If you don’t think they are credible, prove it.

            Rondon was first choice, I do have proof, the quotes.

          • Polarboy

            For the last time only an idiot would take those headlines at face value. The way it works is that you have a primary source of information, one journo writes the story, and the rest more or less copy and paste. It’s very likely that all of those headlines come from that one club statement. So no you do not have proof. You have headlines without any quotes supporting them.

          • Clarko

            No, an idiot would ignore information from a credible source, information that is corroborated by other credible sources, information that was confirmed by the primary source (the club)…

            No, the ‘headlines’ didn’t come from the club statement, the quote from the Shields Gazette was made on July 6th, the quote from the official club statement was made on the 6th of August… You’re wrong (again).

          • Polarboy

            You have no way of ascertaining how credible the source is when there is no quote attached to each article. And I said those headlines were likely from the club website statement, I didn’t state it as fact. I also have no reason to believe your timeline, not saying you’re definitely lying but I wouldn’t be surprised. In any case that still doesn’t preclude the fact that any publication likely contacted the club for info. If a paper had asked Rafa directly about his targets they would have included quotes from him. So no it is not idiotic to not believe those headlines given the likelihood they are from the club, proven liars, and not Rafa.

          • Clarko

            No, the sources have a history of reporting good, reliable information, they are very trustworthy.

            The ‘headlines’ weren’t from the club website statement, you were very wrong.

            You can believe whatever you want, you do believe whatever you want, you have a wild imaginati…. Sorry, I did it again, you have a wild interpretation. If I was lying you could prove it right Mr. Misquote?

          • Polarboy

            Club – well documented history of lying.
            Gazette – mediocre at best, not near the top of anyone’s list as reliable.
            Independent – literally well down the bottom of official lists for credible transfer news.

            And publications can generally only report on what they are told. Sports journos don’t go on undercover assignment to find out the latest transfer news. They are told by the or by the manager what’s happening. If there are no quotes it’s very likely the club, and if said club are proven liars, which they are, there’s not much they can do beyond report the information as it is given.

          • Clarko

            No evidence provided.

            👋🏼

          • Polarboy

            I’ve given you plenty of supporting facts. The three sources you’ve named are definitely not very trustworthy or reliable. Google reliable transfer sources and you will not find either paper anywhere near the top of anyone’s list. All you’ve given me are headlines when everyone and their dog knows that most transfer news is nonsense, and in our case the club are proven liars.

          • Polarboy

            Actually it was this past July.

      • JohnnyH

        Answer this,

        1. Do you think Ashley should carry any responsibility for the situation we’re in?

        2. What do you think this seasons TV money should be spent on?

        • Clarko

          1. Yes.

          2. Players.

        • panther

          more shops, so he can chuck people on the dole like hes doing with workhouse of fraser, for a couple of quid hell never need or spend

      • panther

        not mistakes all quality players, gone on to better things

        • Clarko

          Yeah, Benitez sold those quality players and replaced them with the likes of Joselu, Murphy, Manquillo and Hanley. That being the mistake(s).

          • panther

            aye

    • Geordiegiants

      The thing is, Ben Arfa is a belta player!

    • Dillon Tovak

      I would argue with the played well in the WC statement. He actually missed quite a few sitters tbh. I do like him though, but he needs quite a few good chances before one equals a goal.

    • Billmag

      Did you watch the game with Fulham yesterday Watford should have been out of sight in the first half and for 60min Mitro was a passenger, and as far as Mbambu is concerned the lad was injured for most of his time here.

      • Thomas Tonel

        You hater!!! Fuhlam destroyed them in the second half and Mitro dominated every duel. The only issue Fuhlam has is their atrocious defense Chambers, Mawson HORRIBLE….say it as it is, fat spanish waiter with his anti football tactic is at fault and NEEDS TO GO to much credit for the washed out coach with his carrier on decline for years. No more excuses and yes, he can take his countryman as well. MITRO, feed that boy with balls and you will never get hungry for the points. MITROGOAL for all you haters!!!!

        • Superdooperhooper

          OK mitrovic is doing well but Fulham aren’t. They’re only 3 points ahead of us and we’re terrible and we’ve had a much more difficult start playing 4 of the top 6 . They’re conceding over 2 goals a game so far.

          • Thomas Tonel

            And thats what i said, Fuhlam defense is horrible and quite frankly i dont care about them. All i am saying, ppl needs to jump off of fat spanish waiter bandwagon and say it as it is. To majority of us is OBVIOUS that he is anti football coach , park double decker bus and defend with ten players. His countryman players are not the quality we need, he had the guy, young guy with passion and knowledge that he drowned when given chance into his anti football tactic. Dude, you gotta work with what you have and he had it but did not know how to use it. No more excuses he needs to go he does not know how anymore. He is one to blame, fatty is different story.

          • Damon Horner

            Nobody is saying Rafa can do no wrong. he is a defensive coach and if you hate that you’ll hate him, most fans I think are very scared of the alternative with this team and allocated budgets.

        • Billmag

          Read my post I said for 60min Fulham where second best and that’s a fact now if you want talk shyte that’s up to you, how many times did Mitro give the ball away, you call me out as a hater then you make derogatory remarks about Rafa you ignorant fool.

          • Thomas Tonel

            Yes, you are and again you are spreading lies insinuating to larger audience, how many times he gave the ball away??? Cmon bro, I watched the game, 89% accuracy. Inform yourself better and dont spread fake news around.

          • Billmag

            No fake news no lies said it as seen you probably watched it on MOTD I didn’t.

    • Cockneytrev

      I think Mbambu was criminal,, he looked decent every time he played for us,,

      • BigHairyDog

        He played 3 games!!!

  • SuperDesHamilton

    Jamie Redknapp knows zip. He normally sits on the fence that much he gets spelks in his a### staring at souness like a lap dog

    • Toon Arnie

      I’m sure I read somewhere that Ashley is a family friend as well ? He’s got his cronies everywhere on the media !! Redknapp isn’t as obvious as Ferdinand though who really embarrassed himself a couple of weeks back.

      • SuperDesHamilton

        A think you’re right, everyone is connected with him. A think Rio is still reeling from that man 😂😂

        • Paul Patterson

          Ferdinand is a paid employee of S****s D****t.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            And not a very good one at that

          • Cockneytrev

            SD had a promotional video on you tube and I think there was about 15 pundits or sports commentators on the video,, from every tv channel, radio station,, Ashley has been very cute about who he has associated with…

  • Superdooperhooper

    It wouldn’t matter who was wearing the number nine shirt at the moment. Mitrovic hazard or aguero wouldn’t have five goals because kenedy and Ritchie have been totally ineffective so far on the wings and mo is back to being a big useless lump . A striker is only as good as the service they get

    • Kenny

      tactics pal, they have been told to defend first & foremost which restricts them going forward

    • panther

      and theyd probably be for sale

  • GlasgowMag

    Ashley’s family friend Redknapp has another go at Rafa nothing unusual there!! Why didn’t he mention why his Buddy banked the transfer fee without replacing Mitro but I suppose that would be to much to ask!!!

    • Cockneytrev

      Spot on,,,,!!!!

    • panther

      almost like they have an agenda

    • Popnbgd

      Redknapp had a go at Rafa,but rightfully so….You are just taking it too much personal if someone has a go at Rafa or use healthy criticism ….I am not saying he should leave but if we are to be honest…really honest…Rafa’s job at NU is mediocre,at best…He lost his magic a long ago…and he is out of ideas…in the end,Rafa is mercenary and could not care less for NU

  • Tony English

    Mitro’s ability is obvious, but so are his failings. Fulham have to play in a far more open way to accommodate Mitro, as he can’t run or close down the opposition defenders, he admits that himself, meaning more bodies are pushed up front and their team is stretched.

    Did you see how rubbish Fulham defended as a team yesterday? It’s not down to individual defenders, it’s down to shape, they have conceded 13 goals already and will more than likely be in the bottom three of the goals against column.

    If his goals keep them up, the gamble will had worked, time will tell, but Rafa would never set a team up to play that open, that’s why he was flogged.

    • SuperDesHamilton

      Watford should of had a stone wall pen as well that tackle by Mawson

      • Tony English

        Desperate tackle by Mawson, but he had to do a few in that half and was on a yellow so had to go off as he was totally exposed against two bustling strikers.

        Fulham are a team that can only play going forward. Put money on their centre backs getting booked in every game.

        • SuperDesHamilton

          There constantly stretched and chasing back. But saying that Janmaat is terrible as well he has absolutely zero positional sense

          • Billmag

            Janmaat was to blame for the equaliser.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Turned his back!!! Caught out of position yet again!

            Remember every Monday after we’d been battered he would be in the Ronnie gall with a pathetic rally call

          • Billmag

            Correct 👍.

          • Damon Horner

            Agreed. Commentary talked about Mitrovic having an instinct but really he just needed to be there, Janmaat made sure Vietto had all the time in the world.

          • Billmag

            You or me could have scored there mate but you have to be in the right place at right time, saying that Watford should have had it seen up by halftime.

          • Damon Horner

            Better decisions in the final pass would have seen to that.

          • Mike Adam

            And Fulham dominated the second half just as thoroughly. You guys are really something. I can then say that Newcastle should have lost because Sakho missed a sitter after Dubravka totally misplayed the cross from Townsend.

          • Damon Horner

            Fulham didn’t play well first half, Watford had the opportunities to be well clear, if they were clear then it would be statistically unlikely to get it back. That’s the only point. It’s not like he or I is saying Fulham weren’t good value for the point on balance, they benefited from Watford failure to convert dominance to goals, it’s football for you. I think on balance if Sakho had scored I wouldn’t say their win was undeserved either.

          • Mike Adam

            If, if, if excuses. Just give Mitro some credit for god sake.
            Exactly what you said about Watford, who is sitting 4th in the league by the way, I could say about Fulham in the second half. Get real Damon, how often do teams not convert dominance into goals in this game, and lose points because of it?

          • Damon Horner

            What? I don’t need excuses for giving my view on Watford vs Fulham, which sounds ridiculous on a Newcastle site. I’ll give Mitrovic credit and I have done (says a lot though about how you feel about him that you want Mitro praised when you said Fulham dominated). Five goals is good going for him personally but every post most shouldn’t exist to praise the guy.

          • Mike Adam

            Enjoy your mind numbing football my friend. Hopefully Ashley will sell and you Geordies will get an owner and a club you deserve. There you go you gave him credit, was that so hard? Instead of analyzing the game, which nobody asked you to do. I will be departing soon enough, just curious to see if some on here would give Mitro credit and maybe admit he isn’t the cart horse that so many called him.

          • Damon Horner

            Not everybody is going to love him, you shouldn’t be too emotional about it. My opinion hasn’t changed, Mitro can score goals in any team but it could hurt the balance of the side. He for do a good job at a big side. His discipline is much better these days as well, his place is at PL level but he is not amazing. Enjoy the season Fulham fan Mike.

          • Mike Adam

            Thanks, just never understood the venom that some spewed towards him. I just love that he personally is proving them wrong.

          • Mike Adam

            Come on Damon, you usually give credit where it is due, why not here?

          • Damon Horner

            For me the credit is on the creator, got in behind, picked his head up and looked for their goalscorer. Obviously Mitrovic placed himself in the 6 yard box which is the right place to be but it would have been odd if he was nowhere near.

          • Popnbgd

            I recommend to start ignoring these self-proclaimed football “experts”…Debating them is a waste of everyone’s time and nerves,since they have absolutely no argument…they are in denial and it is disturbing to listen to their bizzare stubbornes and worrying ignorance ,when it comes to reality…very limited football knowledge…tsk tsk…

        • Mike Adam

          That is already a losing wager, so why make a ridiculous statement?

          • Tony English

            Are you aware of odds? I stand by the statement, two of their three players in central defensive positions were booked yesterday.

          • Mike Adam

            You said,” their centre backs in every game”. Their centre backs have 2 yellows this season in 5 matches and one outside back has a yellow, you lose. In fact, that was only the second game all season that any of their centre back received a yellow, that is what makes your staement ridiculous.

          • Tony English

            If you’d put a quid every week on each of their centre backs receiving a booking, you’d be up.some weeks you’d lose overall you’d win. Newcastle have played much tougher opposition and we defend as team. Not just about sorting out the backline.

          • Mike Adam

            Whatever you say Tony, you are the expert. Newcastle also couldn’t score against Cardiff. Nothing you say makes much sense, right now you would be down, unless you were lucky enough to have bet more on the two weeks backs got yellows.

          • Tony English

            Do you understand the difference between a player getting a red because of individual stupidity, and a player getting a booking because he is exposed due to tactical decisions by the manager designed to compensate for inadequacies of other players?

            I fully expected bookings for the players up against Zaha yesterday, so put money on Yedlin at 4-1 and Ritchie at 7-1.

            You do the maths on those two.

            I’ll look at Fulham’s centre backs odds next week and we’ll see what value is offered. Maybe I’ll let that roll for three four weeks and we’ll see who is right.

          • Mike Adam

            That is exactly what the manager sorted out at the half and Fulham dominated in the second half, so at least for a half it was about sorting out the backline. No maybe I am not up on all of the wagers available over there in football. I don’t bet so good luck on your bets. Bottom line is Fulham back line has been issued 3 yellows so far. You would have made much more money wagering on the Watford backs and Arsenal and the same amount on Trent Alexandar-Arnold of Liverpool. I guess they are all “exposed due to tactical decisions by the manager to compensate for inadequacies of other players”?

          • Tony English

            No ,they are not all exposed due to tactical decisions by their respective managers, you’d have to look at each booking in isolation, a fairer comparison would be at the end of the season when they have faced the same opposition.

            But I maintain, that for all Mitro’s plusses, his lack of pace and inability to chase down defenders spreads the play and leaves a lot of ground for the wide men and midfield to cover, which in turn leaves the defenders liable to counter attacks and last ditch challenges.

            When your front man is on a scoring run, fine, but if he has a drought and is questioned, other players start pointing the finger and stepping off the pace.

          • Mike Adam

            Fair enough, I always respect opinions. Sometimes you cannot have it all, and I would rather have the scorer and the target man who can hold the ball up. He also defends very well on set pieces. I honestly do not believe that one man affects the teams ability to defend as much as you do. There are still 10 men left to defend. Good luck on your wagers and to the Toon, I hope you get a new owner, the fans deserve it.

          • Tony English

            The front man is generally the focal point of the team, and to get the best from him the shape of the team has to play to his strengths.

            If he doesn’t have the legs to Harry defenders or run from deep (as Mitro freely admits he doesnt) the whole team has to play further up the field with him….therefore a more open less defensive set up…and if your defenders aren’t top drawer……trouble ahead.

          • Billmag

            Tony he has ditched NUFC for Fulham because the great Mitro plays for them, and they play lovely attractive football even though he says he’s been a NUFC supporter for 20 years, it’s b/s.

          • Mike Adam

            Why is it b/s? It is all true whether you or anyone else believes it or not.

          • Mike Adam

            In fact, as it stands now the Newcastle back four have 4 yellows this season and the Fulham back four have three.

    • Ashley-out

      he did defend at corners and set pieces yesterday, get yourself along to Specsavers

      • SuperDesHamilton

        The way people talk about him you’d think he’s the second coming. He’s Serbia’s first choice by default, they haven’t had a good forward since darko panchev

        • Popnbgd

          No offense mate…stop embarrassing yourself…Serbia had Mijatovic from Real Madrid,Savicevic-AC Milan,Kovacevic-Juv and many others beside Panchev

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Savicevic was a midfielder & Kova & Milosevic we’re absolutely god awful…stop embarrassing yourself you little spaz

          • Popnbgd

            Milosevic was top scorer of Euro 2000 and Kovacevic was top scorer in La liga…You should not talk about football since your knowledge is very limited…God bless

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Both absolute garbage, anyone can look at Wikipedia. The fact you called savacevic a striker shows you know absolutely nothing

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Imagine man thinking Saviecivic was a striker I’m ill here 😂😂😂😂😂😂

          • Popnbgd

            “Il genio” Savicevic was a forward for AC Milan and he won CL scoring absolute banger in a final vs Barcelona…Mijatovic was ranked 2nd in the world and Ronaldo(Bra) was 1st….Highest Savicevic ranking by FIFA was 3rd in world….I guess you are ill…Can’t figure out what is funny,mate?Please enlighten me,if I am missing something

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Attacking mid you’re wrong

          • Popnbgd

            No….His second position was a striker and he has played many games as a striker….And yes….he was also attacking midfielder -his primary position…but in the end , he used to be striker too…not attacking midfield only

          • SuperDesHamilton

            No it never ever was so stop lying trying to dig you out of your lying little hole, back to Wikipedia you go. And don’t talk to me any more you’re an embarrassment

          • Popnbgd

            You can’t find it on Wikipedia by the way…All your statements so far were false anyway…You are wrong about Panchev being the last Serbian striker…He is not even Serbian…He is Macedonian but he played for Red star which is Serbian club…I have really hoped you can come up with better and more sophisticated argument….You are in denial mate…You don’t want to debate any more because you know you wrong …

          • SuperDesHamilton

            He played for Yugoslavia you absolute imbecile. Do you know anything about geography? Do you know that Yugoslavia was made up of Serbia, Montenegro, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia & guess who else…Macedonia so they all played together you thick f###

            And I said panchev was the last decent striker to play for the country because he is in my opinIon my opinIon is better than yours because you can’t even work out the basics of georgrphy and history you little spacker

            You do understand that about Yugoslavia now do you? But then again you said savacevic player as a striker 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

          • Popnbgd

            Milosevic is not Montenegrin by the way…FYI ,Montenegrins ARE Serbs!!!!It is one of the Serbian tribes…. They are Serbs that live in Montenegro…..You arrogant and ignorant Brit….Serbs also make 40% of population in Bosnia and before Yugoslav wars in 90’s,it was over 20% of Serbs in Croatia…Speaking of your “superiority”, you are only superior in stupidity and in talking nonsense and utter rubbish…You definitely have inferiority issues mate…you got it all wrong…this is about facts,not superiority…and it’s not Mijahitovic but Mijatovic ….There is also Mihajlovic(Serbian) who used to be legendary free kick taker…played for Inter,Lazio….Sit down and stop talking…You got an F

          • Popnbgd

            …and btw,I was born in Belgrade,Serbia which was the capital of former Yugoslavia….No offense mate but you have picked the fight with the wrong guy…How old are you?….like 15 or 16 years old…With all due respect,stop behaving like a muppet…you’ve got no game and no facts…only half truths and empthy rhetoric

      • Billmag

        And where was he when the corner was cleared, or when they had a breakaway he was left floundering, now I’m not saying he’s a bad player far from it and he will score goals just it won’t be for us move on.

      • Tony English

        Set pieces…you said it yourself smart ar se….and he’s already given away a pen whilst defending set pieces.

        I said he can’t run or close down defenders that’ll be during open play, I’m talking about the effect a striker of his ilk has on the defensive shape of the team.

        • SuperDesHamilton

          And for this reason he’ll be out of the Serbia first team by the time Luka Jovic gets up to speed because he’s mobile and technical

          • Mike Adam

            Super Des shooting bull, you are the expert.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Serbia have had absolutely outrageous players over the years but not really up front and it continues to this day. Panchev, Zigic, Milosevic & now Mitrovic/Jovic/Saponjic & even the Serb who plays for PAOK

    • Popnbgd

      Your tactical analysis of Fulham and Mitrovic is beyond ridiculous …Statements as “he was not suited for NU or he couldn’t play in Rafa’s system or Mitro is a lose cannon and can’t defend” are just a poor excuse for Rafa’s stupidity…only football fans with a limited knowledge of the game are buying this utter rubbish and nonsense excuses…Every team that Mitro plays in,has to play recklessly open????wrong… Your logic is flawed

      • Tony English

        Ok mighty sage. Enlighten us with your tactical analysis of why the lines in Fulhams side are so open and they are conceding so many.

        Also please inform us of how you can play a compact shape (as is Rafa’s preference) with a forward who admits himself that he does not have the legs to get back and be the first defensive line, and make runs from that position to be in a pivotal position for attacks.

        Show me the depths of your knowledge.

        • Popnbgd

          In comparison with yours Knowledge’s depth, My knowledge is bottomless …Fulham’s issue is that they have almost completely changed first team players that never played before together and are still getting to know each other…It takes some time for new team to get organized and get familiar with each other’s ability and thinking….It is an absolute nonsense to blame Mitrovic for Fulham’s dezorganized deffence and number of goals conceded…he is actually doing pretty good job defensively….and he is a lone and only striker in Fylham…

          • Tony English

            So in short…you make ZERO comment or counter argument with regards to team shape or tactics. You criticise an analysis yet give nothing except “they are still getting used to each other”. Pathetic.

            Mitro himself has stated he could not physically play the way Rafa required, I am not criticising him, I am stating a fact. For him to be effective he needs to be in a team where both he and the players feeding him are 20 yards further up the field ….which leads to a more open side with greater gaps between the lines…which leads to more opportunities for the opposition. Basic stuff.

            Now…you can argue Rafa should have changed his preferred team shape to accommodate Mitro…but he decided he wanted to play ‘compact’ which requires a forward with different attributes…so rather than waste your time defending Mitro, use your single brain cell to ask why the Manager isn’t being given the ingredients his recipe requires.

          • Popnbgd

            You just don’t get it mate….If Mitrovic is not a type of striker Rafa wants,why did he loaned Slimani and signed Rondon…They are almost the same type of striker as Mitrovic…this is where your narrative fells apart ….

          • Tony English

            I notice once again you are avoiding answering the question regarding team shape and tactics, so let’s just agree you have NOTHING to counter the initial criticism you made, NOTHING.

            With regards to Slimani and Rondon, ‘almost’ the same type of striker, yes ‘almost’…the difference is crucial, they have a modest amount of pace, and when fit have shown they can get back and forward, where Mitro looks like he is running through treacle.

            But as I’ve said I can also see the quality Mitro possesses, but YOU clearly love the man to a point where I’m starting to beleive your either his agent, brother, mother or lover.

            Come back when you have read up on tactics.

          • Popnbgd

            If you consider Mitro as the most responsible factor for Fulham’s defensive weaknesses , this is the same as blaming central backs for not scoring goals…Job of any striker is to score goals primarily….Number of goals is what it counts the most…

          • Tony English

            No…it really isn’t the same as blaming centre backs for not scoring goals…but TOP-TOP centre backs are expected to be able to play it out from the back, be comfortable on the ball, and MAYBE weight in with six or seven goals from set pieces.

            You started by claiming my “tactical analysis of Fulham and Mitrovic is beyond ridiculous” yet you’ve made ZERO tactical comments.

            It appears your grasp of the game is 20 years out of date when teams had ‘defenders’ and ‘attackers’ – linear roles – it really isn’t the case anymore, TOP forwards need to have the work rate to close down and have the pace to get back forward when possession is regained – even keepers at the top of the game are expected to be able to pick out a pass as opposed to hoofing it up to a big target man – so EVERY man on the field has defensive/attacking responsibilities.

            Mitro is NOT responsible for Fulham’s defensive weakness, their manager is. He has built a team to play to Mitro strengths, which at the risk of repeating myself, gives the manager two options, either push the entire team up the pitch leaving them vulnerable to balls over the top, or play as he has decided to, with a big gap between the defence and midfield which leaves them outnumbered in the central positions….

            …Mitro will score in this team, but they will concede plenty in the process, maybe enough to get them relegated if he goes through a lean patch – and then folk like you will say “he scored in a struggling side” – without noting he was complicit in the goals they conceded.

            You love Mitro. End of. I can praise him and criticise him, but your blind to his failings.

          • Popnbgd

            I am perfectly aware of his shortcomings too….But he is only 23 and he can improve a lot and raise his levels…He still has a lot to prove…but you ain’t convincing anyone that he could not play in Rafa’s system and that Joselu was a better choice

          • Popnbgd

            If Rafa doesn’t have ingredients,he should change the recipe then…This is the only way it will work

          • Popnbgd

            Blah,blah,blah….your rich vocabulary does not help your argument btw….You are talking a lot but you are actually not proving your point at all…The only thing that’s pathetic is your ignorance and arrogance…you are just throwing at me empthy rhetorics and demagoguery and half truths…you got no facts

          • Tony English

            Blah Blah Blah?

            As I suspected. The only reason you can’t follow the point I’m making is because you have your head up your ar se hole.

            You start arrogantly on the offensive, then ignorantly offer nothing to counter the point of view you criticise….then accuse me of those two traits. Brilliant.

            Demagoguery – rich vocab – well done.

            Half truths? I’ll take that….puts me half way closer to the truth than you old bean.

          • Tony English

            Blah, blah and another blah?

            As I suspected, you can’t hear reasoned argument as you have your head firmly up your arsovich.

            You take a dig at ‘rich vocabulary’ and toss in the word demagoguery.

            You came on here arrogantly on the offensive, criticising a view that you singularly failed to counter due to your own ignorance….and accuse me of being arrogant and ignorant?

            Do you maybe have a mirror in your house?

            Half truths? I’ll take that. It makes me half way closer to the truth than you old bean.

  • Damon Horner

    Fulham have to be worried that they’ve scored 8, conceded 13 and sit 15th. It’s ok for Mitro personally but the team haven’t started that brilliantly.

    • SuperDesHamilton

      Did you watch the match? Both really really poor like in terms of technique you’re bang on though about Fulham

      • Kenny

        they are poor, where the f##k does that put us

        • SuperDesHamilton

          Haha well we could still be playing now and not score. Couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo

          • Kenny

            we may well go down, Rafa or no Rafa

          • Toon Arnie

            I think unless we get a couple of top notch players onboard in January we’re gone. As the Fat Oaf won’t sanction any spending again it’ll have to be some hellish loan signings and Rafa will have to really weave his magic to get us out of this mess.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Thing is the way we’re going at the minute it might be too late to get players, like putting a plaster on oil tanker leak. It all goes back to one man when’s he gonna learn about gambling

          • Cockneytrev

            This is the problem, if we ever get anyone to pay the ridiculous Ashley so ups want,, we are £200 million at least of a Europe challenging squad,,
            It needs nearly a full squad of players, these players then have to gel as a unit, that could take a full season also one or two of these will not be a fit,,

          • Paul Patterson

            I honestly think it will only take £60m to get us near Europe..

          • Cockneytrev

            I think you are way off,,
            We need a decent first team, we then need cover in every position,, we have maybe 5 players .
            ,first team players, dubravka, lascelles, leguenne, (Fernandez looked decent last couple of matches)
            Shelvey, yedlin? Kenedy, ( not on this seasons form and on loan)
            Then who? Richie, to hot and cold would he get in a top side? No, dummet? Not for me.
            we have no player who would be a first choice pick in any of the top 6, we need cover in every position on the pitch,,
            So that is 6 decent players and then cover all over the pitch 16 players,, we will need at least 2 forwards, but I think 3 that is £25 mil each, that’s £75,,,2
            Decent centre midfield 20 each that’s £40 , 2 wingers 10/15 each need £20/30mil, 1 possibly 2 full backs, £ 15 mil,
            That’s 150mil there, then we need cover all over the pitch, say 7 players £5 mil each,,
            Total £185 mil without agents fees that average 10%
            We have nothing coming through, so we have to buy everything.
            The squad is a complete mess,,
            I think apart from possibly Cardiff the worst in the league..

          • SuperDesHamilton

            It’ll take at least 3 years depending what division we’re in to rid the club of the rot Ashley has set in. New facilities playing staff & coaching ones. A clear plan of recruitment & tactics then deal with all the roots he’s left in the club, we’d be stupid to think Ashley would leave and walk away

          • SuperDesHamilton

            I’m leaning more towards us dropping. We can’t score even if you can’t defend but can score you’ve got a chance we’ve got nowt

      • Damon Horner

        I caught bits but didnt watch it. Their defence seems a bit nervous though.

        With 5 of their 8 goals, where do Fulham go if Mitro has a lean patch? Their defence needs to get more comfortable and they have one main source of goals.

        • Billmag

          Watched the full match Damon Watford should have been out of sight the first half, there defending was shocking and will get found out by better teams.

          • Mike Adam

            Isn’t it funny, Rafa plays for a good goal difference and their’s is only one better than Fulham’s. Fulham’s defending will most likely improve, but will Newcastle’s goal scoring?

          • Billmag

            Catch 22, Fulham play one way, owing to our financial restraints we play the other way.

          • Mike Adam

            Then why continue to critisize a former players success?

          • Paul Patterson

            He’s a Fulham fan apparently. Then a fan of whoever Mitrovic signs for after that ..

          • Mike Adam

            Maybe, after supporting Newcastle for 20 years.

          • Paul Patterson

            Pathetic!

          • Billmag

            I have replied to him below Paul and I won’t be responding to him in future.

          • Damon Horner

            I don’t think I’ve loved any player that much!

    • Mike Adam

      If/when they sort out the back line they will be fine. The manager made fantastic changes at the half and Fulham dominated the half. They were unlucky to not get the 3 points. Just as Palace were when Sakho missed the sitter.

      • Damon Horner

        Best of luck to you. Start has been a precarious one for me though for both of us rather than glorious.

      • Tony English

        Naive to put the onus purely on their backline. You could put the best 4 defenders in world football in there, and they’d still be stretched and exposed with the shape of the team in front of them.

        • Damon Horner

          I assumed because he started with “if/when” that he is assuming Mitrovic will score enough to keep them up regardless. How stretched the defence is though is what many of us had been saying about accommodating him

          • Tony English

            He’s saying they will be fine if/when they sort out the backline, without acknowledging the pressure on those players due to inadequacies elsewhere.

            Praising the managers for changes, without criticising him for the initial issues in the game is also slightly blinkered.

  • Kenny

    I said pre season that Mitrovic will get 15 goals this season, the strikers we have will be lucky to get that between them, Rondon, Hoss, Mutu.

  • Toon

    People really need to put their Mitrovic sized tissues away – get over it

  • Leazes.

    Why regurgitate this argument?

    Mitrovic was sold to get something better, he was a disaster area when he was here, poor, not as good as Shola the tax avoider….. ehm….I mean mackem slayer….

    ….the club bought Joselu and borrowed Rondon…. and are happy for Benitez to take the flak for the latest stages of the downsizing operation…because he’s leaving!

    The clubs hierarchy are the enemy not Rafa!

    Stop trying to protect Ashley by deflection!

    • Jezza

      Excellent comment.

  • Cockneytrev

    The whole issue should not be why we sold him , but why was the money not used to replace him?
    As for Jamie Rednap,, Rafa has more class in his soiled jockeys than his dad will ever have,,,
    Where’s the money Ashley????
    (I’ll not ask where’s the money ARRY,, because every one knows it’s in his dogs bank account and of course we all have bank accounts for our dogs)

    • Toon Arnie

      Thankyou !! I’ve been trying to get this through to Clarko / CKO/ Ben Jones for the last hour !!

      • Cockneytrev

        I’ve blocked them, they arnt Newcastle fans,,,,, just sad Ashley hoop lickers…

        • Wezza

          Man U fans, they’ve been exposed time and time again.

          • Jezza

            Precisely.

          • Leazes.

            Yes….Jack Lacey Hatton…. what was he doing writing heartfelt nostalgia for the Mag and simultaneously using his facebook page with a banner photo of himself proudly wearing the 2013 Man United Shirt?…..

            ….never did get a reply!

          • Realist

            Zzzz Give it a rest mate. Which part of Manchester do I live in then?

      • SuperDesHamilton

        You might as well be talking to a brick wall, he’s a proper nonce that one

        • Realist

          Why’s everyone these days calling each other nonces and trivialising what is disgusting behaviour. I can’t understand today’s society me like, proper weirdos. Top of the pile yee kid.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Sorry grandad

            Go take a survey or something you gimp.

          • Realist

            🤣F uk Desmond have you got notifications rigged up to your phone for the mag only messaged ya 5 mins ago n your straight back to 2 mins later, obsessed. So your saying you have to be old to be disgusted by references to the abuse of kids. Just can’t understand why nonce is the top insult these days, weird. I’m in your age bracket no grandad but your a little bit slower at developing mentally Desmond.

          • Realist

            * F uk me

          • Toontaff

            Get a room!

          • SuperDesHamilton

            No I’m just saying you’re boring, wake is up when you’ve finished talking….you bore

          • Realist

            😂

          • SuperDesHamilton

            You love me, it’s cute

          • Realist

            😂this is what you do when you’ve got nowt intelligent to say you just talk bs

          • SuperDesHamilton

            I’m just saying it how it is & looks.

          • Realist

            😂🤣😂🤣 edited your comment like usual😂🤣😂🤣

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Like usual? So you stalk me, obsessed.

          • Realist

            😂 you have to edit ya comments cause you na you talk shyte.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            You love me, hang on my every word from a temporary account because you’re shy

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Proof

      • Jezza

        Don’t waste any more of your time. You’ll never get through to him because he’s a Manchester supporting troll who only uses this forum to wind up and agitate Newcastle fans. Don’t give him the satisfaction. Just block him.

  • Wezza

    MA is the mug that cashed in on Mitro but he pocketed the profit!

  • Mxpx

    I think plenty of us saw this coming whilst the rest had blind faith in rafas opinion he’s a goal machine when correctly used but we’d rather sit 10 men behind the ball

    • Billmag

      C’mon Mitro, Shearer, Aguero, or anyone else would stuggle to score goals in our present team.

      • Mxpx

        I agree I think that’s the problem

        • Billmag

          True.

    • Hughie_Gallacher

      Mitro showed very little at Newcastle to show that he was up to PL standard. Sometimes players do well when they move clubs, for no obvious reason.

      • paulo

        There was plenty of supporters that could see his potential.
        In my opinion there’s a player in there and it’s up to managers and coaches to bring that out.

      • Mxpx

        I don’t think that’s true I mean plenty of us on this very message board voiced our opinion that selling him was a mistake based on what we’d seen

        • Dave Pattinson

          Its the old ‘hindsights a wonderful thing’, isn’t it? Regardless of what smartass Redknapp & his like say, the guy managing Fulham knew Mitro would fit his system, had the funds to buy not only him, but also players who could provide the service he needs. Rafa maybe didn’t fancy Mitro’s type of football & certainly had no funds to speak of, so we get loan players on short-term deals. Bit like working at Shirebrook I imagine. Ashley, just go!

  • BigHairyDog

    £23+4million wasn’t a bargain 12 months ago when the same Jamie Redknapp called Mitro a liability who “the manager can’t trust to not get sent off”. Is this the same Jamie Redknapp, when his arguments are pulled to threads by the likes of Graeme Souness and Jamie Carragher, resorts to “my dad says this” and “my dad says that”?

    • Paul Patterson

      Jeez Louise!
      I’ll get my coat ..

    • Leazes.

      Really haha…

    • Polarboy

      Didn’t Redknapp’s ex-wife have an affair with a woman? In fairness I think it was that Daisy Lowe doll who likely gets offers from man, woman and beast regardless of sexual orientation.

  • MadMag83

    Nonsense. If he’s such a bargain, why we’re Fulham the only team to lodge a proper bid for him? There were some doubts over his temperament and ability, clearly his manager at Fulham has done a better man management job than Benitez.

    If I had 23 shots at goal I’d probably score 4 goals!

  • Toonatic

    Ashley creaming Newcastle’s profits and selling anything with some value before he sells up. So all going well so far, are we at end game I wonder or is it yet again smoke and mirrors and the Ashley pr machine.

    • Paul Patterson

      If we are still in the Premier league this time next year, we will go through the same fiasco. .

    • Toon Arnie

      No way is he selling up.

      • Toonatic

        Just saying that’s how it feels and what many of fans are thinking. No investment but plenty of profit from all quarters of the club. WHERE HAS THE MONEY GONE ASHLEY!!!!
        In my pocket to maximise my profit from selling up

        • Toonatic

          Fire sale in motion and the dropping of price

        • Paul Patterson

          Expect a new signing in the next few windows. Probably goes by the name of Mark or John.

          • Toonatic

            What positon do they play ….. left wing?

          • Toonatic

            Or mark or spencer or John or Lewis. Wow 4 signings we would be in awe lol

          • Toonatic

            Then a few CURRY’S to celebrate

  • Leazes.

    This regime is something else…

    We had survived for over 120 years with regimes who failed through lack of ambition, failed through poor judgements and failed through their ‘peer’ dictat philosophy for the club…..

    ….we’ve never had a regime which simply didn’t care, or have any accountability!

    Ashley could only get away with this through the Chronicles lack of enquiry, and failure to expose the truth about this stinking regime!

    Why does Charney hide?….. why doesn’t Douglas look for him?….

    ….98….99…100…..coming ready or not!

    • Paul Patterson

      All the while the owner builds his empire at our expense..
      It must be nice to be able to be able to have funds to buy a high street retailer every season..

    • Fenwick

      Charnley needs to be ‘outed’. Does anyone know where he hides and why is he not getting more stick from fans inside the ground. Can any ‘journalist’ get hold of him and pester him for answers?

  • Mrkgw

    I had stated my intention to finish posting on The Mag due to a couple on here that take things way too far by slandering and becoming viscous at the mere hint that views differ from theirs. On reflection, why should I walk away? Above all, this article represents far more of a balanced view than anything another leading NE publication have to offer.

    Onto Mitro, I stand by the views that Rafa dropped a clanger. 100%. And, I fear that evidence will only strengthen as the season continues. I do struggle to accept the dismal football served up and personally, feel that Rafa has run out of ideas. Above all however, is the heinous and disgusting manner in which absolutely no money is made available for players. After all, in this entertainment industry, our club offer anything but (entertainment) to the faithful. To the outsider however, it must be a pantomime of epic proportions.

    Ashley out and perhaps only then, will the Rafalution start.

    • Mike Adam

      Well put. They refuse to give credit where it is due my friend. And just as you said for outsiders which I am one. A 20 year NUFC fan from the US, I cannot watch the boring, mind numbing football anymore. I have gone on to support Mitro and Fulham, knowone can fault me for that as an outsider. At least I am not going and supporting City or Liverpool. And oh yeah, I have been called a Lee brother so many times on here it is a wonder that I am not supporting ManU, isn’t it Jezza?

      • Cockneytrev

        “I have gone on to support Mitro and Fulham,”
        That one statement shows you are not a Newcastle fan,,,
        When you love football as a child you pick your club, I was lucky enough to be born in Newcastle , so it was preordained,, nobody changes clubs,,

        • Mrkgw

          I suspect Mike to be speaking out of pure frustration. For that’s what we face at the moment. 100%

          • Cockneytrev

            I’ve had frustration for over 50 years and I’m still here,,been let down so many times,,, spend 10s of thousands on them, hitched to watch them, Wagged off school, missed days of work, lost jobs,, but never has it ever crossed my mind to even think of another team.

          • Mike Adam

            That is the difference, I am an outsider. The club should be proud of its fans around the World, but I would bet that some are looking elsewhere like myself.

          • Cockneytrev

            Go
            Not needed,,,,

          • Toontaff

            You are not a fan. No one can be enjoying what is happening to our club, but changing clubs??? You are not the only ‘outsider’, but you are certainly no fan.

          • Billmag

            Everyone is frustrated mate, do you think this is the first time we’ve been frustrated, before KK came the football was horrendous but hey I’m still here supporting the team and always will no matter what happens to the club, just hope I live long enough to see this vile owner ousted from the club.

        • Mike Adam

          You don’t understand my position. I am 52, born and lived in the U.S. all of my life. I grew up on American football, baseball, and hockey. I fell in love with soccer in my early 30’s. I saw Alan Shearer play and loved him. We were finally able to see some European football here in the US in the later 1990’s. So my first interest in a team was Newcastle. Then the movie “Goal” came out and I learned more about the NUFC and the city of Newcastle. I was hooked they were my team. Then in the early 2000’s we started to get Premier League games on a regular basis. Now I can watch any game I want on NBCSN and Gold. I am sorry to say that I have had enough of the boring defensive football. Also, jsut as you native Geordies the lack of investment in the team by Ashley. So I am a huge Mitro fan and in addition love some of the exciting young players Fulham have so I am now watching and supporting them. It is that simple, they play exciting free flowing football. I couldn’t go through watching a team get shut out 14 times out of 38 matches again while soring few goals and playing for goal difference. Sorry not my thing. So that is my story in a nutshell, not native and not raised on NUFC from a child so fortunately for me I can move on to another fun to watch newly promoted team.

          • Cockneytrev

            Go….
            NOt needed

          • Mike Adam

            Thanks, enjoy your mind numbing football.

          • Cockneytrev

            Enjoy your mind numbing country,,,,,

          • Mike Adam

            Grow up, you are as bad as the guy that said to me a month or so ago to go watch a school shooting. Four goals in six matches with no more than a single goal scored in any game, shut out twice. Couldn’t score against the worst team in the league. Mind numbing and boring. And I will enjoy my country, thank you.

          • Mxpx

            Couldn’t score against ourselves?

          • Cockneytrev

            why don’t you go and watch rounders?
            Now frack off to Fulham you boring [email protected]!!

          • SuperDesHamilton

            That was me & it was funny then & funny now

          • SuperDesHamilton

            And I actually said ‘go and do something American like shoot a school’

          • Westdentoon

            Think you need to change your picture mate..

          • GlasgowMag

            FFS did you ever watch Mitro play for the toon he didn’t exactly set the world alight!! I can understand why my school pals changed allegiances to Arsenal when Supermac left as young kids like their heroes, but really Mitro certainly not in his mould!! good luck with your new team ok I’ve been watching the toon for 50 years and counting without us winning [email protected] all but as other guys have mentioned You’re team is for life not just for Christmas!!!

          • Billmag

            Well said mate I said more or less the same thing to him on another post, I also said I wouldn’t reply to him again.

          • Mike Adam

            I appreciate where you are coming from. The lad was no chance last year when the team couldn’t score. Why would a manager not use an asset he has on the bench? Especially when you are playing Joselu at the time. Using him was often like playing with ten men yet Mitro never given a chance. Maybe you never watched Joselu play? Could Mitro have been any worse? I started watching and supporting NUFC in my 30’s, cannot do it anymore, it is boring football. None of the players inspire or interest me, hence I am going to watch Mitro and an exciting young team that will probably only get better as the season goes on. Not to mention having an owner committed to a winning and ambitious club. You deserve an owner like Tony Kahn at Newcastle. I hope that happens sooner than later.

          • Kneebotherm8

            Yeah,Tony Kahn………….and Mike Ashley can’t and won’t….

          • Martin Rooney

            you surely weren’t in the ground he had us on our feet more than any play for a decade.

    • Leazes.

      …this isn’t an ‘entertainment’ industry its competitive sport or it’s supposed to be!

      Why do you think Rafa was wrong?….he certainly didn’t sell Mitro in order to replace him with Joselu or Rondon!…. all a bit of a muchness.

      On a different note…

      This is what Ryder said an hour or so ago… as reason for Rafa not signing a new 5 year contract…..hilarious….

      His main aim last summer was to lift United into a top eight side but he didn’t feel he was given the tools to do the job….

      …..and another reason he didn’t sign was….. I kid you not….’because the club wouldn’t put heating into the indoor pitch at the training ground’….

      • Billmag

        Ryder and his cohurts must sit and say wonder what can we dream up next because if we write it the punters will believe us.

      • Mrkgw

        Leazes – it is indeed competitive sport but in time gone by, Newcastle entertained us in the process. I feel that Rafa was wrong as by allowing Mitro to leave (with Gayle) we are left with a weakened side. He cites injury to Rondon but has barely played him. Put this way, Murphy, Atsu, Lazaar, Rondon, Mutu for example have been mediocre. Granted, the purse strungs have been well and truly cut but couple that with the dismally drawn out games we see at present, many would have been sacked by now. My thoughts are contentious – clearly, but thats how I feel at the moment Leazes. Sorry if that offends.

        • Damon Horner

          I know you don’t like the football but it is surely unlikely he’d be sacked at other clubs? Promoted then tenth and no real strong peril yet.

          • Mrkgw

            Possibly Damon. We will see. Make no mistake, I was a firm believer in Rafa but, these tactics serve none other than to demoralise the side and moreover, the support. Stiffling.

          • Geordiegiants

            You are having a laugh aren’t you???? Have you seen the start (fixtures) we have had????
            No wonder fans around the country think we are fickle as, I would think an Everton or Leicester would struggle with it.

          • Mike Adam

            Geordie, you will never give Mitro any credit, will you?

          • Big Al 1967

            For what its worth I firmly believe in Rafa and is the ONLY thing that will save us from relegation. However I do think he has dropped one with Mitro. Whether its fitting in with Rafa’s system, personality or a falling out, he will always offer more than the Hoss
            And for all the critics of Mitro, when he was scoring goals last season for Fulham you all said it was the Championship and he would struggle in the Premier League. Well…

          • Big Al 1967

            When the fixtures came out I seen the first eight games I accepted we would be in the bottom three at the end of them. However for me it is not the results that concern me but the manner of them. Yes we played well in spells against Spurs, Citeh and Arsenal. However we have yet to put in a decent 90 minutes yet and were rank bad awful against Cardiff, Forest and Palace.
            Put another way we have played seven games and being honest we have not deserved to pick up a win in any of them

          • Damon Horner

            Maybe. It’s how he’s always played the game, risk reduction, but it’s worked for him so he has my backing. Its hard to be too critical when we’ve only played the top teams and he has been limited with what he can do with the squad.

          • Kneebotherm8

            It is risk reduction but with better quality offensive players we’d be be a top 10 team……..no bother…

          • Damon Horner

            Agreed. Rafa knows what he’s looking at in terms of personnel.

          • Kneebotherm8

            The system is not outdated,as some on here say,it has worked and it will work for him in the future……….just not at this club with the mediocre backing he gets from our ambitionless owner…..

          • Leazes.

            Nee begger likes the football…its back to the wall survival tactics with Charnley’s suicide squad.

          • Albert Stubbins

            It’s the only way Rafa knows. He plays the percentages. Going gung ho would be far more entertaining but ultimately cost us a place in the league. On balance I think I’d still prefer the latter. If this is the price we have to pay to stay in the league most fans would probably take it I think. Personally I’m not so sure I would. Bored rigid to be honest.

          • Popnbgd

            In the end,it is only a “game”….a game of football….It is not like if you loose, they will cut your head on guillottine and burn a village to the ground…It should have some entertaining element in it….It does not need to be Gang ho …but definitely a bit more attacking and braver approach to the game….

        • Leazes.

          Wasn’t he told he had to sell in order to buy and then told he couldn’t have it?

          • Martin Rooney

            NO he wasn’t as that would constitute a break of contract, the publicly quoted situations of:
            1. Raf having complete say of the playing staff.
            2. Having every penny raised by the club to spend.
            He will have been fully aware of the deal offered for Mitro to go to Fulham and sanctioned it.
            If not he has the opportunity to just leave and claim his wage for the year.
            Oh I forgot he’s so in love with the fans!

  • Natturner26

    He’s going to score more than Newcastle this season.

    • Mike Adam

      Just might, at current pace anyway. Over/under the 14 shutouts of last season?

    • Popnbgd

      I agree…

    • Phil Yare

      aye but apparently hes still rubbish. hazard is also rubbish because he scores goals too

  • Angelswithdirtyfaces

    Had Rafa been given the option of signing a £27m striker things might be different. You need to remember the owner’s management style …. Fatty is whinging now that he is having to shut 3 House of Fraser Stores because the store site owners wouldn’t reduce the rent (almost to zero) because they were greedy. This is what we are up against.

    • Leazes.

      He didn’t need an excuse to close three Newcastle United stores….he just did it.

      • Pezza

        They were quiet in the days when retail was booming, there is no need for high rent, high rate shops when there is a free route to market in the internet

        • Superdooperhooper

          Then why has ashley just taken over a failing high Street chain in HoF ?

          • Billmag

            It’s a con trick by Ashley blaming greedy landlords, in truth he’s just downsizing HoF so them people thats losing there jobs blames the greedy landlords and not fatty.

          • Cockneytrev

            It’s always someone else’s fault,,
            He blames everyone but himself,,

  • Pezza

    Mitro doesn’t fit into a Rafa side, we just need to accept that. Ironically, he’d have worked in a Pardew set up but we’d have been stuffed by all but Cardiff and Palace had Pardew been manager meaning confidence may have been on the floor by now.

    • Mike Adam

      Except that maybe against the bottom half we could score goals against the Cardiffs and Palaces of the world instead of 0 – 0 draws. I for one would rather have 6 points and a worse goal difference.

      • Phil Yare

        exactly! the system sucks! fine at man city or chelsea….but palace???
        you look at newcastles team against any team and think ‘we wont score today’

        • Realist

          Exactly.

  • Carverlier football

    Everyone knows that Mitro doesn’t suit Rafa’s prefered style and formation. I always liked Mitro, and I always knew he could be a top player, but ultimately it was inevitable he’d have to leave. I’d have loved to see him coached by Sir Bobby… The criminal bit is that he we didn’t invest in an equal or better player who DOES fit Rafa’s style.

  • Tino11

    “Benitez plays defence and counter-attack,” Mitrovic told the Mail. “I
    tried to give my best but it wasn’t me. I was just running and getting
    in the team shape.
    “He told me what he wanted and I tried but I am 90 kilos and if I run
    so much defensively I have no power left when I am in the box. He knew I
    couldn’t play in that style and I felt it too.
    “Defensively he was one of the best and you can see that when they
    play, but personally I like to be close to the opponents’ box. I need
    crosses and service.”

    In Mitro’s own words, he couldn’t play the way Rafa wanted, which is the way Rafa has decided our team needs to play. Mitro is not worth changing the whole teams style of play for when we don’t have the players to suit him anyway. Rafa made the right choice, but I still think Mitro is a decent player.

    • MadMag83

      Sounds like a goal hanger 😂

    • Phil Yare

      i prefer keegans system….play the best players and tactics will become redundant

      • Duh

        Entertaining for sure but won squat

        • Mxpx

          Right now I will settle for being entertained as long it doesn’t send us down

          • Phil Yare

            going down for sure anyway

        • Phil Yare

          a million miles away from now though? it was good wasn’t it….scoring goals, winning football games

    • Popnbgd

      Boll..cks!!! You can’t have it both ways,mate…Mitrovic was just trying to be nice and not to attack or offend anyone…he did not want to give journalists reason to make a big drama and sensation out of this story….He showed some class by not saying Anything negative of Rafa and NU…”He can’t suit Rafa’s system” is just a pathetic excuse for football’s fans with a very limited knowledge of the game

  • Martin Rooney

    Guess what Rafa fans, you don’t concede when you’re inn the opponents box!

    • GlasgowMag

      Guess what Ashley fans/employees you don’t spend money you get relegated and you get to watch [email protected] football!!!

      • Popnbgd

        …and you don’t sell your best player to Fulham just because St.Rafael can not “fit” him in his “system”…

        • GlasgowMag

          Are you even a Newcastle fan??

          • Popnbgd

            What does that have to do with anything?

          • GlasgowMag

            Everything you are on a fan forum so what’s your link to the club??

          • Popnbgd

            I am devoted fan of Partizan Belgrade….After Partizan , Newcastle has been always my favorite team ,since late 90’s…It might have something to do with a same black-white Jersey home kit…So I follow NU since players as Solano,Shearer ,Garry Speed,Silvio Maric and others used to play for NU…and Partizan also has a great record vs NU…2002 season-CL

  • Popnbgd

    I am sorry to burst your bubble guys,but all those stories about Mitrovic is not “suited” for our style of play or that he disobeyed Rafa and did not follow his instructions or that he needs a lot of crosses and good service and good wingers or wing backs to feed him constantly are utter rubbish and BEYOND ridiculous….It’s not like Fulham has a quality of Man city,Chelsea and Man utd and this is the reason why he is top goalscorer at the moment in PL….Fulham is actually leaning to much on Mitrovic and expect him to do it all in attack…For a 23 year old player who is not English ,Mitrovic is doing a superb job….He is the one that actually get them promoted and keeps them alive in PL and carries the huge weight ….

    • NUFCDan

      Yeah I mean they only have World Cup winner Andre Schurlle, the most sought after young English player since Rooney in Ryan Sessegnon and one of the most sought after midfielders in world football this summer Serri who cost £30m. Not like he has better players around him this season and that’s why he’s scoring more goals or anything is it.

      • Phil Yare

        they are probably thinking ‘but they have diame and the dangerous perez’

      • Popnbgd

        You ain’t getting away with this one,mate…Schürrle was invisible past 2 seasons in Germany ,performed miserably and Sessegnon is a far away from finished product and still has a lot to learn and prove himself in PL….Fulham defence is mediocre,at best and the only thing that keep them going and make the difference is Mitrovic and his goals

    • MadMag83

      Fulham thrashed us at SJP in the Championship! And now they’ve got promoted and spent £100m, yet their team is no better than ours? 😂

  • Lewis SG

    Well, Mitrovic had his chances here. He got sent off and missed sitters. Perhaps being left out of the squad sorted his head and his discipline.

    It is what it is.

    How much is Florian Thauvin worth now?

    Not sure who we should be blaming, but Rafa saved the club from relegation last season, not sure if he can do the same this season. I certainly hope so.

  • Rob

    I believe in Mitrovic and like seeing him do well.

    However he never did look likely to be a regular scorer for us in Rafas system.

    Unfortunately, it’s starting to look like we’ll never have sufficient Rafa style players to make his system work.

    In a relegation battle already.

    • Phil Yare

      he wouldn’t look a regular scorer if he wasn’t on the pitch

      and….as for regular scorers in rafa’s system – who are they???? perez got 7 last season, mitro is 2 off that after a few games!

      quite simply (no matter what people think of his limitations) he didn’t get enough of a chance

  • Toontaff

    Sounds like our bottle-throwing, horse-punching, tattooed fans are still missing their messiah! Calm doon, ladies – good luck toMitro, but don’t be shocked if we finish above Fulham. Plus, you can of course become Fulham fans!

    • Duh

      You forgot shirtless in winter

    • Popnbgd

      They don’t miss him as much as our “In Rafa we trust”religious sect fan’s club would miss their deity St.Rafael, if he gets sacked…I can tell you that much

    • Realist

      Stereotyping eh, ok with you being Welsh bet you’ve got 6 fingers and married your cousin.

  • Im a big fan of Mitro and seriously wanted him to do well at NUFC!!!!!!! But TBH he had his chances and it was simply never going to happen for him at SJP!!!!!!!!! No surprise for me that’s it is elsewhere and good luck to you sincerely Sasha and you did try your very best for us!!!!!!! The issue here in my opinion is that the 23million received for him isn’t being spent wisely!!!!!!!!! KOCOBA JE CERbCKI!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Phil Yare

    thank goodness we have joselu and perez who will score 60-70 goals a season between them. but even if they get no goals at least they….

    ‘fit in rafa’s style of play’

    thats because people like diame can come from deep and rattle in the goals due to perez and joselu’s unselfish play.

    on planet earth….you always should play poor players ahead of very poor players. mitrovics record this season suggests hes at least an average player. whether its ashley or rafa, playing these talentless clowns ahead of the mad serb is mind boggling

    • Phil Yare

      as for the 23m…..its basically evaporation money (eg carroll, cabaye, milner, given, sissoko etc)

    • Popnbgd

      It is more than mind boggling….It’s not like NU roster had Kane,Aguero and Salah as their first striker’s choice…It is the ultimate stupidity

  • Popnbgd

    “If it’s flat or if they’re struggling, fans of any club will know this, if you have that one player in your side who gets you going as a crowd, that will get the team going too.”——This is why we should kept a player as Mitrovic….He could have been our X-factor….

    • Leazes.

      Mitrovic didn’t get anything going….. he was useless, that’s why he went to some rubbish London outfit and not a top European club…. a really poor player with a lot of effort. Not a game changer he played as an individual not a team player.

      He was sold to get something better….. but Ashley did to Rafa what he did to Keegan!….

      ….allowed the sale but not the purchase!

      • Realist

        He scored 9 premier league goals in a relegated side at 21 years old, scored against the likes of man city spurs oh and also popped up against the mackems to stop a 7 in a row. That’s good going. You talk shyte leazes.

      • Popnbgd

        With all due respect mate,your statement should be nominated for “The most ridiculous comment award” in this year….Is It your horrific lack of football knowledge or you are being sarcastic??What is it mate???Mitrovic is a champions league scorer( He was only 19),World Cup scorer and was nominated for The Best player of Euro championship U19 when Serbia won the title and was crucial in Serbian team that won World Cup title U20 in 2015….He just turned 24 and is at the moment top goal scorer in PL.