The latest article to be highlighted in our debate feature is: ‘Deal with the devil: Would you take relegation and Rafa leaving if meant Mike Ashley sold Newcastle?’

Every article we publish on The Mag, fans are invited to comment at the end of it (it only takes a minute to register and then you can comment on anything you read on here).

There are some great conversations between supporters commenting on what has been written, not always agreeing with the author…or each other.

We are now regularly/irregularly picking out an article that has produced interesting debate afterwards.

Sometimes the comments can be more interesting that the initial article…but not everybody reads the comments, so we thought some of the conversations deserved a bigger audience.

The article highlighted today has already had 116 comments so far and the basis of the article…

Was asking Newcastle fans just how desperate they are to get rid of Mike Ashley, asking them to vote on whether they would take relegation AND Rafa Benitez leaving, if you were guaranteed Mike Ashley would also sell the club.

The eventual vote result saw 76% of Newcastle fans say yes they would take the relegation and Rafa going, if it also meant seeing  the back of Ashley at last.

A lot of interesting comments in response to that question as well, some of the best below.

(If you want to read the original article and/or leave your own comment (or you can do it at the bottom of this one…) go HERE):

Some of the comments after ‘Deal with the devil: Would you take relegation and Rafa leaving if meant Mike Ashley sold Newcastle?’

Jonas:

‘Relegation just doesn’t matter any more – there is no benefit to the club or ourselves in being in the PL, the funds therein are not used to even try and improve the club.

Like to imagine Rafa would be back like a shot if we got rid of Ashley.

Which is the best and most important thing that can happen.’

Steven05:

‘I don’t want Rafa to go and I don’t want to be relegated (3 – THREE – under this cancer)

But I also don’t want sportsdirefukall club playing at SJP in black and white stripes – I want Newcastle United FOOTBALL Club back

So sadly it’s a no brainier for me – it has to be a YES.’

Kevin Thomas:

‘Keegan walking was the reason we first got relegated. He should have stayed and fought for change. Ashley spend £73 million pounds (ED: Figure was actually just under £50m) net on players the summer before we were relegated. McClaren was to blame for the other relegation.

There should be money to buy a couple of quality players in January and next summer, enought to keep Benitez to stay.’

drc74:

‘Doesn’t he say the same thing everrytime, there will be funds available in January.

‘Oh well least hes not blaming rafa for the relegation this time.’

Nut:

‘Truth is there is maybe only one person out there who could perhaps end all this if they were to speak to Ashley.

The person who actually started it all.’

Sickandtired:

‘His Mum?’

Kenny:

‘Speak to Ashley?

Get real, he won’t even listen to his manager.’

Waxi:

‘I can’t believe it (the vote) is up to 25% for MA to stay. Who are these people?’

Peter C:

‘Sad, delusional people.

It was with a heavy heart, I voted yes. But if it was a certainty, Ashley would leave. I would accept such a catastrophic outcome.

The terrifying nightmare scenario, is relegation this season, the manager leaving next June, and Ashley still as owner, all three are a distinct possibility.’

Waxi:

‘I think we need to do the same as the mackems and head to league one. The only way we will be rid of the FCB is if we are losing money. END OF.’

Peter C:

‘Came to that conclusion a while ago, that’s the only way we’ll be rid of him.

But what a price to pay! For us the fans.’

Lostprofit DBC:

‘Might never come up again. Funnily enough, if you are in the Championship, few will invest as much as Ashley. That is when he comes to life.’

Sickandtired:

‘Invest? The actual amount he provided, external to club revenues, was £15 million. Hardly an investment when it’s part of a secure loan.’

Danimal:

‘He made about £40m profit on transfers last time.

He got lucky, having some ‘family silver’ to offload, which was enough to finance promotion with something to spare. As the family silver has not been replaced since, that option won’t be available next time.’

Phildene:

‘We wouldn’t come straight back up again. How disgraceful for our club to be relegated 3 times (`if it happens) in 11 years all through a shocking greedy owner!’

Roblee07:

‘We also need to be wary of his next moves. The man is a deceitful charlatan.

He will have a minor war chest ready with spin prepared to give his next puppet when rafa leaves to get fans back on side for another 2-3 years.

We must repel any attempts by him to try and fix things. He cannot he trusted and surely now must be forced out.’

Nut:

‘So what?’

Roblee07:

‘A football club should be set up to do the best it can to push on and do the best it can in the league and in the cups with finances it makes, used to progress the club forward.

Nufc has not been like that for over 10 years. You have to accept that people will want to make money but ashley has gone to the extreme.

I love rafa but all managers come and go. He could easily have a bad spell one day and get the boot. It happens.

Every day that ashley is still here we are not a football club and effectively going backwards. I believe the day he leaves and has no ties at all to the club will be the day the club is reborn. Until he is gone the club has no purpose .’

David2211:

‘Yes. I’d happily go to the Conference. Without hope and the belief that things can be better, what is the point?

The club is comatose and has been for a long time. I’d take anything if it meant MA was gone and never to return.’

Wezza:

‘I’ve thought this for a while and this is what it may take for him to leave. We may have to drop down in the league and totally rebuild again. He has done years of damage to this club and will continue to be felt after he is gone too!’

Chris-Chapple:

‘If Ashley stays he will destroy the club.’

Sickandtired:

‘It’s not that hypothetical. It’s a distinct possibility at the end of this season – relegation and an out of contract Rafa leaving, that is.’

Martin Rooney:

‘Whilst I agree with many of the things done by the club to run it properly, I don’t like anyone ‘owning’ this city’s club and am against any club being a commercial enterprise in general.

With that in mind I’d be happy to see the back of Mike Ashley, so I’d happilly take relegation, Rafa leaving, (his football is boring, if effective, normally)).

I’d like to see a fans group offer him the cash he wants, sell all the valuable players for as much as is possible, pay him off, and start over from what ever division that lands us in. What could be wrong with that the annual revenue of the club will always be the greatest of any competitors in the championship or below, so should ensure promotion within a year or two.

Besides winning games any where is infinitely more enjoyable than getting beat off teams full of badge kissers with deep pockets.’

Mike D:

‘I think the best season we had under Mike Ashley was in the Championship under Hughton. It was far more enjoyable than our most recent Championship campaign and even better than when we finished 5th under Pardew with a few momentary exceptions.

Yes I’d take that deal because, Ashley has progressively stripped the squad to it’s bare bones, ran the club into the ground, refused to make any meaningful investment in the squad or facilities.

He’s set the world of media against Newcastle fans, he’s done despicable things to undermine the club and devalue it. I’ve had enough but I can’t stop coming back to these pages and becoming even more depressed at the state of things.

There’s literally nothing to get excited about. Not the next game, not the next transfer window, not the next talent coming through, not the final league position. Nothing!’

Leazes:

‘Yes he’s stripped the club to its bare bones….. and then started on the squad…. loans from now on!

How do you get the local press and gullible fans to buy it? Pretend the club is for sale!’



  • Leicester Mag

    Warning 🐎☠ being flogged. Please stop regurgitating articles

  • steve

    If I wanted to read the comments I would read the comments rather than a select few chosen to fit someone’s agenda.

    • Mark Potter

      Graham needed to provide something to keep that ad revenue rolling.

  • AhDivvinNahNootMe

    I’m in the 75% so I don’t mind reading what everyone else thought. It’s reassuring to know I am not as alone as my club right now, again !

    • Mark Potter

      Sure, it’s called “confirmation bias”. Most people like to have their views confirmed by others. And one commonly held confirmation comes from the fallacious idea that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: “If many believe so, it is so.”

      It is the idea satirized by the “Emperor’s New Clothes” story, or the Chinese proverb “Three Men made a Tiger”. A Chinese official asked the King whether he would hypothetically believe in one civilian’s report that a tiger was roaming the markets in the capital city, to which the King replied no. The official asked what the King thought if two people reported the same thing, and the King said he would begin to wonder. Then he asked, “what if three people all claimed to have seen a tiger?” The King replied that he would believe in it. The official reminded the King that the notion of a live tiger in a crowded market was absurd, yet when repeated by numerous people, it seemed real.

      • AhDivvinNahNootMe

        So there is a tiger in toon. Thought so.

      • SuperDesHamilton

        What’s any of that got to do with football you weirdo

  • AhDivvinNahNootMe

    Also, maybes its time to have a flag/banner that says things like “75% of us hi would swap relegation for the current administration” or “Current administrations average net spend £3m per season” (or whatever the real number was). It’s not as extreme as walking out but it provides a discussion point for the TV pundits at full time….. Just a thought on how we could be passive aggressive in the media campaign. Not personal attacks, just conveying facts the PR machine is trying to bury/dilute. Make it harder for Keys and his cronies to say we have delusions of big club Europe etc…

    • Sickandtired

      Aye, but there isn’t an ‘administration’ is there! Charnley on his todd, at the beck and call of two non employees and an owner who couldn’t give a hoot.

      • AhDivvinNahNootMe

        Fair point, maybes just a banner that says “Real Toon Fans Shop At JD Sports” along the length of the Gallowgate, If someone made a JD Sports shirt with “Toon” on the crest space i’d Buy it and be proud to wear it as a part of the resistance.

  • Geordiegiants

    I would sacrifice anything to get rid of him. I would happily be in the same league as the inbreds if it meant having rid of him.

    • Wor Lass

      52,000 do that every home game anyway, mate!

      • Kenny

        and they are the root of the problem, they are happy to watch anything, they say they are loyal, i say they are fools who by going endorse the Fat Rats tenure at Newcastle

        • kingfisher

          100% spot on Kenny

      • Geordiegiants

        52,000 what?

  • halexxxreg

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    • paqqsfkjf

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    • Big Hairy Man

      D!ckhead

  • Weyhhadaway

    Selling is not and never has been on the cards unless stupid money shows up.

    The nightmare scenario isn’t going down and keeping Ashley. It is going down and getting a crazy owner like the ones at Leeds and Hull, or worse the Makems.

    Don’t get me wrong here, we need shot of him and sooner the better. We just have to keep our fingers crossed that we get a Mansour not some basket case.

    • Sickandtired

      Well, we should have had a Mansour, THE Mansour, back in 2008. Instead Ashley, wanting £400 million for the club 10 years ago, went on the lash in Dubai instead.

  • Scott Robinson

    Anyone agree that the premiership is becoming more boring each year (even more so if you support NUFC), the players are no better than the English players of the early 70’s, only fitter and can do a few step overs and dead ball free kicks. To prove my point not one present England player would get in the England Euro 96 or World cup 90 teams. Here’s the 1975 England v Cyprus when super mac scored 5. It isn’t one of the better 70’s England team, but those old enough to have seen these players
    1
    Peter Shilton

    2
    Paul Madeley

    3
    Kevin Beattie

    4
    Colin Bell

    5
    Dave Watson

    6
    Colin Todd

    7
    Alan Ball (c)

    8
    Micky Channon
    55′
    9
    Malcolm MacDonald

    10
    Alan Hudson

    11
    Kevin Keegan

    The present England team wouldn’t score against that defence (at least Kane wouldn’t score with his head v Watson), whilst Super Mac would get a hat trick!

    • Jezza

      Colin Bell was a hell of a player. Another gem from our region that slipped through our fingers.

  • robbersdog

    Off topic, but Fleetwood Town managed to get a draw at Sunderland this afternoon. Well done Agent Joey!

  • kingfisher

    I’ve posted a few comments similar to some of the above, regarding being in the Championship.What is there not to like? More games, a chance of winning something ( promotion or actually winning the league) and hope and excitement.Surely everyone enjoyed the last few weeks in the Championship, especially when we won the league in the last few seconds of the season!
    At the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter what league you are in and what the standard of football is like, as has been proved by the 50,000 who turned up at most home games when we were in the Championship.

    Lets face it, it can’t be any worse that the turgid boring defensive rubbish that Rafa has to play after not being backed by Ashley. Surely the main advantages being in the Prem are the money available, (however as Ashley doesn’t invest this in the club then there’s no advantage whatsoever) and you get to see world class players, however due to Ashleys business strategy and lack of investment, they are usually playing for our opponents and not us.

    • Jezza

      Yes the final few games in the Championship were enjoyable but let’s put it into perspective. 20 years ago we were beating Barcelona in the Champions League and now beating the likes of Preston and Barnsley in the second division is as good as it’s ever going to get. That is yet another damning indictment of how far Ashley has dragged our club down.

      • Big Hairy Man

        Hopefully one day we will be able to compete with the financial might of Brighton, Huddersfield etc.

        • Jezza

          Let’s not get too carried away. Even being able to compete financially with Championship clubs like Middlesborough and Leeds would be a big step up.

      • kingfisher

        Good point Jezza.I suppose every club will find their level no matter what league they are in, and at this moment in time I would say we are a poor Premiership side (as proved by Rafa saying his aim for the club is to survive), and would think the Championship would be a more realistic competitive league for us.
        Obviously if Ashley stays for the foreseeable future then even the Championship may be too high a league for us.

  • t00nraider

    Ashley spent a record £70mil net to try stay in the Premiership and push up the league. The only problem was, McClaren was the manager and Mitrovic couldn’t hit a barn door. Had we had a decent manager, we’d be in a different position. Not really Ashley’s fault or as bad as people are trying to make out. It’s easy to take it out on Ashley. There should be funds in the bank to strengthen in January. Being in the Championship would starve the club of major tv money and give our competitors massive advantage. It would really hamper us.

    • Sickandtired

      Who appointed McClaren – following hot on the heels of Carver? Who waited so many years only to hand the pot over to the Wally?
      You Muppet.

      • CKO

        Charnley appointed McClaren and at the time the large majority of fans were behind that decision/appointment.

        The ‘pot’ that was handed over was £43.8m, which is the amount the club had at the end of the financial year (June 2015) and the majority of that money had been generated from that same financial year as the club made a £32.4m profit. Following June 2015 the ‘club had committed to a further net spent of approximately £80m on additions to the playing squad’. There was no pot that was held back for ‘many years’.

        • Sickandtired

          The majority of fans were behind the decision??? PMSL!
          Go take your head for a swim, Clarko.

          • CKO

            Yes the fans were behind the appointment, you can deny that all you want but that’s what happened.

            You stated:
            ‘Who waited so many years only to hand the pot over to the Wally?’

            Nobody ‘waited’, there was no secret or hidden pot that Ashley was hiding from the other managers that were previously employed, Newcastle gave McClaren the money that they had received from the previous season.

            In your response all you have done is laugh off the support that the McClaren appointed received and stated our spent in the 15/16 season, something which I already stated above (net spent of £80m). Pointless reply.

          • Kenny

            were they f##k behind the appointment of McClaren

          • CKO

            Big Toon Survey:

            ‘McClaren was Charnley’s appointment and while 32% are unhappy with him – and 12% are saying it’s time to change – nearly 50% are “content” but waiting to see what happens next’

            Keep in mind this was a mid-season survey that took place after the home draw to Aston Villa when Newcastle were sat in 17th pace. Despite battling relegation the majority of fans were still ‘content’ with McClaren, fans were behind the appointment.

            👋🏼

          • MrShack66

            How many (ahem) fans were questioned in the “Big Toon Survey”?

          • CKO

            ‘Almost 2000’.

          • MrShack66

            Only problem is surveys aren’t really a reliable source.

          • CKO

            Well that’s a massive generalisation, why isn’t the Big Toon Survey a reliable survey? The sample size was more than big enough.

          • MrShack66

            Brexit, Trump, the general election before the last suggest surveys are a waste of time. Even on a personal level I’m betting you were unhappy with McClaren too.

          • CKO

            Again, you’re just making massive generalisations. Why isn’t the Big Toon Survey a reliable survey?

            I was fully behind the appointment as were the majority of fans.

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            Why is it a reliable survey? Because it agrees with you?
            50% of 2000 fans is not and never has been “the vast majority”

          • CKO

            The burden of proof is on you, if you don’t think the poll is reliable it’s up to you to prove it, not me. Again the poll was taken in December 2015, when Newcastle were in 17th position, my argument was that at the time of the appointment (start of the season), the majority of fans were supportive, I used a mid-season poll to prove that, unless you think that fans were somehow more supportive when McClaren had guided the club to a relegation battle rather than at the start of his reign.

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            How do you come to your assertion that at the beginning of the season the “majority” of fans were in favour? Do you have access to a poll that proves it? Hardly scientific to use a mid season poll of slightly less than 2000 people to prove that in August pretty much everyone heralded the McLaren appointment, again i can only go on my experience that was nobody i know or spoke to at the time wanted or was happy with his appointment.

          • CKO

            Do you think fans were more content with the McClaren appointment at the start of the 15/16 campaign or when Newcastle were in a relegation battle in December 2015?

            Do you have a reliable poll that disagrees with any of my statements?

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            Well you backed his appointment at the start, so how did you feel by the December?
            We can then use that data to work out how many fans were cock-a-hoop with his appointment.

          • CKO

            And there we go, you have nothing.

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            I have what i know, my truth is that nobody i know or spoke to was in any way a fan of that appointment, they did all to a man however want Carver out.
            How did you feel by the December?

          • CKO

            What do you mean how did I feel in December? A lot worse than I did in July beforehand, that’s the point I am making…

            ‘my truth is that nobody i know or spoke to was in any way a fan of that appointment’

            Well the near 2000 people that were polled were a fan of the appointment.

            ~3 people > ~2000 people

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            Not true, 50% of near 2000 people were “content”.

          • CKO

            Content: in a state of peaceful happiness

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            Wonder why the Chron didn’t just use happy then?

          • CKO

            Because educated people know what the word ‘content’ means.

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            Content: accept as adequate despite wanting more or better.
            Which definition do you think the Chronicle intended?

          • CKO

            Both definitions are acceptable. They both mean the same thing, that thing being that fans ‘were behind that decision/appointment.’

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            Peaceful happiness or accepting as adequate, not really the same are they?

          • CKO

            Like I said you can use whichever one you want it doesn’t change the fact that the fans ‘were behind that decision/appointment’. Right now I’m in peaceful happiness, I’ve accepted this happiness as adequate, I am adequately happy, could I be more happy? Of course I could, I would love a chocolate chip cookie right about now, but I’m happy sat here on my pedestal, It’s a great view from up here…

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            Still no proof that the “Vast majority” of fans backed the appointment though, burden of proof is on you.
            Anyway careful you don’t fall off that pedestal, it’s along way down.

          • CKO

            I don’t remember saying the word ‘vast’, I don’t know where you’re quoting that from because you’re the only person who has used that word. Not that it matters.

            I have given all my proof, proof that you were unable to refute, you can’t start the argument again after you’ve already lost.

            Again the burden is on you, not me, I made a statement, I have provided evidence to support my statement, it is up to you to tell my why my statement is wrong or find actual evidence that contradicts my statement/evidence, you didn’t do any of those things.

            I’m done with this.

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            I don’t actually know what your getting at anyway, i’m pretty sure the vast majority of fans were chuffed to bits when Kenny Dogliesh replaced Keegan, look how that turned out.

          • CKO

            You’re the one who replied to me, trying to pick flaws in my argument that just weren’t there, I’m just defending my argument.

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            That less than 2000 fans took part proves it’s not a reliable measure of the views of all Newcastle fans, how could it be?

          • CKO

            You don’t understand statistical significance/margin of error, if you take the 1.3m followers the club has on twitter as Newcastle’s fan base, take the 2000 fans as the sample size with a confidence level of 95% the margin of error is 2%. It’s reliable.

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            I know how polls work, and i know they’re unreliable. I seem to remember an exit poll at the last general election indicated a massive majority to the Tory’s, never worked out that way though did it?
            That poll along with many others was proven to be unreliable, fact. Why should the Chronicle poll be viewed any differently?

          • CKO

            We are not talking about any general election exit poll, we are talking about the Big Toon Survey, you’re point is invalid, you’re just making massive generalisations because you don’t have an actual argument.

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            But don’t polls inherently make massive generalisations?

          • MrShack66

            “Massive generalisations”? I was simply pointing out that surveys can be a waste of time. You say you were satisfied with the appointment of McClaren. I don’t know one fan who was. So one person against hundreds of people I know suggests maybe this survey isn’t relevant.

          • CKO

            ‘I was simply pointing out that surveys can be a waste of time’

            Yes, that is a massive generalisation.

            ‘So one person against hundreds of people I know suggests maybe this survey isn’t relevant’

            You’re just imagining you’re own survey up after saying surveys are a ‘waste of time’ 😂

          • MrShack66

            Just edited it whilst you were breaking your neck to respond. 😂😂😂👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣🤫🤫

          • CKO

            Says the person responding…

            The point still stands, you edited your comment but the argument didn’t change:

            “The Big Toon Survey that polled nearly 2000 Newcastle and found that fans were content with McClaren isn’t reliable because me and my three friends disagree…”

            That is your argument, it’s silly.

          • MrShack66

            “Friends”? Where once did I mention friends?

          • CKO

            ‘I know not one person who was in favour of McClaren being appointed’

          • MrShack66

            “Me and my three friends disagree…”.
            “‘I know not one person who was in favour of McClaren being appointed’”

            You definitely said I said “friends”. Whereas I didn’t mention “friends” whatsoever.

          • CKO

            You never said anything in that I put in the quote dummy, I was paraphrasing, using air (” “) quotes. But that was your argument, me and my three friends (maybe four) disagree, it’s not valid.

          • MrShack66

            Never once did I mention “friends”. One does wonder who the dummy really is?

          • CKO

            You never said anything in that I put in the quote dummy, I was paraphrasing, using air (” “) quotes.

          • MrShack66

            You still said I said “friends” when I clearly didn’t. Dummy.

          • CKO

            No I didn’t.

          • MrShack66

            “me and my three friends disagree…”

            You did.

          • CKO

            I wasn’t quoting you dummy.

          • MrShack66

            No you actually said that you idiot. Whereas I never once mentioned friends.

          • CKO

            It wasn’t a quote.

            Do you speak/understand English?

          • MrShack66

            I’m taking the word friends means something else in your world? Dummy.

          • CKO

            No, I ask because you have completely ignored everything I have said since then. We both know you didn’t say the word ‘friends’ dummy, anyone who can read knows you didn’t say the word ‘friends’ dummy, I wasn’t quoting you dummy, I was mocking you and your pathetic argument.

          • MrShack66

            Lol, pmsl, rofl 😂😂😂😂👍👍👍👍👊👊👊👊. You sure showed me. What with you proving the mass majority of Toon fans were in favour of McClaren. And the BTS was 100% an accurate survey showing the contentment of Newcastle fans at the time. Even though we were in 17th place at the time. Bravo sir. I bow down to your greater intellect. Apart from I never mentioned friends of course. 🖕🖕🖕

          • CKO

            I did show you, I do have a greater intellect and my argument was sound. Now run along and go back to throwing rocks at bigger rocks with your three friends.

            👋🏼

          • MrShack66

            There you go again mentioning friends.

          • CKO

            What was dodgy about the survey? You keep on saying it was dodgy but you’ve yet to point out a reason why…

            “Your survey is dodgy because me an my three friends all hated McClaren”

            😂 😂 😂

          • MrShack66

            Was the survey aimed at season ticket holders only or any Newcastle fan? If The Chronicle ran it aimed so any Toon fan could answer then that throws up concerns. What if a thousand Makems answered? Or even Ashley apologists (like yourself) hijacked the survey. I mean why would anyone be happy sitting at 17th in the league. Doesn’t make any sense. Or makes the aveverage Toon fan look like a complete simpleton who is happy to put up with his/her lot. But even as I pointed out earlier surveys are notoriously unreliable as we seen with Brexit, Trump etc etc…

          • CKO

            Do have any evidence that a thousand Sunderland fans took the survey? If you do I would love to see it. Surely if a large amount Sunderland fans did take the survey there would have been more people than the 0.97% recorded that stated they were ‘very happy’ with Ashley, right? Or do Sunderland fans hate Ashley as well?

            The survey results we are looking at is regarding Steve McClaren and not league position.

            ‘But even as I pointed out earlier surveys are notoriously unreliable as we seen with Brexit, Trump’

            Again, you’re trying to make the same silly generalisations, the above isn’t a valid reason as to why the BTS is unreliable, you need to stop making that statement, it’s incredibly stupid.

          • MrShack66

            “The survey results in question are regarding Steve McClaren and not league position. The survey had nothing to do with fans being happy about being“
            Yes but we were still 17th under the leadership of McClaren. So again I’m doubting validity of survey as 17th and McClaren being in charge kinda went hand in hand. So it’s you who’s being incredibly stupid by saying I’m “incredibly stupid” for comparing surveys.

          • CKO

            You’re not comparing surveys, you’re saying all surveys including the BTS are unreliable because you believe the United States presidential election poll was unreliable. That would be the equivalent of someone reading your comments and deciding that all Newcastle fans are stupid.

            You don’t have any valid reasoning or evidence to deem the survey unreliable or invalid.

          • MrShack66

            Nor you, reliable or valid.

          • CKO

            Again, you’re just doing the same thing over and over again:

            “The survey is wrong because I said it’s wrong, you’re evidence isn’t reliable or valid because I said so”

            That’s not how the world works. Grow up.

          • MrShack66

            Did I actually say wrong? I said unreliable. And I have as much right to say that as much as you have the right to say the survey is as reliable. So I’m afraid you need to grow up too as that is precisely how the world works.

          • CKO

            You still not really getting this sarcastic paraphrasing bit I do are you?

            It’s not about ‘right’, you have the ‘right’ to say whatever you want but that doesn’t make what you say correct. All you have done is talk absolute nonsense, drivel. In the real world people like you are laughed at.

          • MrShack66

            Really? You come across as a first class bore. You’d soon clear a pub (if you’ve even been in one) with your monotonous dialect. Sarcasm works best when not laced with insults. Dummy.

          • CKO

            Yeah you’ve now went back to completely ignoring the actual argument because you don’t have anything of substance to say. That and you still don’t get the part where I mock your inner dialogue, there were no insults dummy:

            “The survey is wrong because I said it’s wrong, you’re evidence isn’t reliable or valid because I said so”

            “Your survey is dodgy because me an my three friends all hated McClaren”

            “The Big Toon Survey that polled nearly 2000 Newcastle and found that fans were content with McClaren isn’t reliable because me and my three friends disagree…”

            Not one insult.

          • MrShack66

            So at no point did you not call me a dummy? Dummy.

          • CKO

            No it’s not a stalemate, we’ve been through how the sample size (2000) is more than big enough, we’ve been through the results and how they represent the Newcastle fan base accurately (only 0.97% stated they were ‘very happy’ with Ashley), we’ve been through you’re incorrect generalisations (US election poll) and we’ve been through the questions (regarding McClaren and 17th place). You can’t copy my post to try and look “clever” accusing me of disregarding your evidence when I have countered every silly query that you’ve made dummy.

          • MrShack66

            Yeah 100% stalemate.

          • CKO

            👋🏼 👋🏼 👋🏼

          • MrShack66

            👌👌👌

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            Snap mate according to Clarko i’ve got 3 friends too, wonder if we have the same 3 friends?.

          • MrShack66

            He’s just a little mammys boy. Probably doesn’t leave his room due to having agoraphobia. Feel a little sorry for him.

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            He’s a t!t.

          • Billmag

            Ha ha ha Clarko you really have trawled the depths of despair quoting the Chron ” The Big Toon Survey ” what a plonker.

          • Jezza

            True. We were all relieved that Carver hadn’t got the job on a permanent basis as had seemed highly likely at the time but none of us really wanted McClaren either.

          • Ram Kishore

            But Jezza, we didn’t really know we didn’t want him until the season was being underwhelming. I am not supporting CKO because I did remember that many were ok with his appointment. I mean the people at ok. No one really knew he would turn into such a bad appointment.

          • Jezza

            That’s simply not true. It was obvious from the start that it was a bad appointment. McClaren came to us in the Premiership having just been sacked by Derby County in the Championship after a run of something like 3 wins in 21 games.

          • Ram Kishore

            No, you are wrong Jezza..As soon as pardew left We were linked with McLaren.. in his first season at derby
            13/14 playoff final.
            14/15 season : EFL cup quarter final.
            Fa cup Round of 16
            In his last 25 matches at Derby he lost only 7 times, won 10 and drew 8.
            I checked it in Transfermarket. This is a fact jezza.
            I am not going to deny the fact that I saw him as a decent appointment.

            When we were linked with him, Derby was closer to automatic promotion but it was claimed that media linking him to Nufc unsettled him . At the end of the season they finished just outside the playoff places.

          • Jezza

            “Fa cup Round of 16”?

            What in God’s name is that? I have been following football in this country for almost 50 years and I have never heard that one before.

          • Ram Kishore

            It’s the 5th round for God’s sake.. the round before the quarterfinals where 16 teams play. It usually comes in the month of Feb.
            50 years of football fan and still u need to be told what is ‘ Round of 16’.
            Are u trying to shift from the real conversation?

          • Jezza

            Yes the 5th round. That’s what it’s called. That’s what it’s always been and always will be. None of this trendy modern day Sky Sports American influenced nonsense, thank you.

            And no I’m not trying to shift the conversation. If you were genuinely happy to see McClaren appointed as Newcastle manager you were in a very small minority.

          • Ram Kishore

            Oh man..There is nothing wrong in 5th round being called as Round of 16.. it’s representative of the same thing..Idk if it’s American influence or not but u r portraying it as something absurd.. its only a word pal not something that threatens anything in football.
            It’s called for convenience.
            People in England maybe used to it but people in foreign lands follow a different way it. And for a note, u did really understand what I meant by Round of 16 yet you are trying to be act as a smart ass..Lol.

            You did really opened up another unnecessary topic diverting from the real conversation we were having..
            How do u really know that only a small minority were ok with his appointment?
            Many people wanted Carver gone and wanted someone better. Just see the post made by Jimblag, it shows that many considered him better than outgoing and wanted a change..
            Stop bringing up things like ‘American influenced ‘ when it is not at all necessary pal.
            Yes I dont like many things that are American just like u but this debate didn’t require that .
            Cheers.

          • Jezza

            There’s no need for that attitude. You’re obviously a young guy and you just don’t understand the importance of footballing traditions to supporters of my generation. Youngsters like you seem to have no idea whatsoever that football actually did exist before all the glitz and glamour of “The Premiership”, Sky Sports and the so called “Champions League”. You need to show a bit of respect sonny.

            As for McClaren, I can tell you he was a hugely unpopular appointment. You can’t get an accurate picture from media social platforms. None of the Newcastle fans I talk to face to face in the real world wanted him. He might have been viewed by some as a better alternative than Pardew or Carver but that’s like saying being bitten by a Russels viper is a better alternative to being bitten by a hooded cobra or a krait.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            What an old fat condescending T### you are. You’d never ever say anytning I person

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Jezza is a condescending w#####. He’s never ever wrong in his opinion. His and only his opinion matters remember. He’s not even from Newcastle either.

            Half of what you say is true a lot of fans said McLaren wasn’t the worst a seen to remember the opinion being anyone but Carver but I was at the first match against Gateshead & thought this isn’t going to go well

          • Vodkamagpie

            Wasn’t spending 73mil down to the new TV deal. Prices of players rocketed up the following season

          • CKO

            You’ve missed the point of the argument, it doesn’t matter where the money came from, it matters how much we had and when we spent it.

          • nufcslf

            Trolls disagreeing. Even more laughable.

          • Wezza

            Yep either the brothers are trolling to head off suspicions or one is logging on and off.
            Guys you were all warned this isn’t what they have they do. They LIVE to wind people up they have no life at all and it is so sex starved they’re probably still virgins.
            LIke Jezza and Leazes have said – don’t allow them to get a rise, just BLOCK THEM!

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Love to wind people up, so they are winning because you mention the same old rubbish about them EVERYDAY

          • Wezza

            You bite and entertain them yourself. Why do you say it is rubbish when it is fact?

          • SuperDesHamilton

            What facts have you got? Lord Leazes the saviour said so?

            You see how i go along with it wind them up rile them, they don’t like it. You on the other hand you and your pals have a full on breakdown screaming BLOCK while they sit & laugh at how much they’ve got to you. So they win especially against you

          • Vodkamagpie

            Why must everything be an argument. I’m making a valid point that spending 73mil net before the new TV deal was good business sense. Prices of player transfers massively increased the following season. Reports are the next TV deal will be less than the current deal, would that impact the transfer trading of Newcastle until next TV deal is in place?

          • CKO

            It wasn’t an argument because your comment was completely irrelevant to the discussion, nobody is talking about the TV deal. What would do if I replied to your comment talking about Boron-dipyrromethene (BODIPY) dyes? Would you engage in a discussion with me?

          • Vodkamagpie

            Your discussion sounds like an argument with so called non trolls. Honestly I don’t know what the original discussion is, cause it’s mostly bickering between all.

          • CKO

            I haven’t bickered at all, I’ve been very concise and respectful in my comments, it’s not my problem that you can’t follow the discussion, that’s a you problem. Your comment was irrelevant.

          • Vodkamagpie

            It’s a good comment tho, one you should look into.

          • CKO

            It really wasn’t.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            I’ve Never seen this before, a person with a split personal disorder arguing with them selves online

          • Vodkamagpie

            I thought you were clueless regarding football knowledge, it appears you have other issues

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Said the person arguing with himself.

          • Big Hairy Man

            Give your heed a shake. I don’t know of any fans that were behind the appointment of the serial failure.

          • CKO

            See my reply (below) quoting the mid-season 15/16 Big Toon Survey.

          • Big Hairy Man

            The big toon survey is run by Ryder at the Chronicle. Enough said.

          • CKO

            Have fun in your echo chamber.

          • Big Hairy Man

            You are a prize kn0b end.

          • CKO

            And you’re only interested in listening to yourself and people who share the same flawed thoughts, you’re not interested in anything else anyone has to say. Again, have fun in your echo chamber.

          • Big Hairy Man

            I am not interested in listening to apologists for the man who has reduced our club to a laughing stock.

          • CKO

            What’s an ‘apologist’? How am I an ‘apologist’ for pointing out a number of flaws/lies in an comment?

            And you’re fine with supporting the views and grouping yourself together with uninformed liars just because you all share the same hatred for Ashley?

          • Big Hairy Man

            I hate Ashley with good reason

          • CKO

            Why are you supporting people who lie? Why are you attacking/insulting people who are trying to correct those lies?

          • Big Hairy Man

            What do you think Ashley’s ambition is for NUFC apart from PL survival to stay on the gravy train to line his own pockets? Do you think he craves success?

          • CKO

            See look at that, you can’t answer the questions, because you know that the comment you’re supporting is wrong and you know just how stupid it would be to admit to insulting someone who was just replying with factual information. Whether you admit it or not, that’s what you did, trying to change the subject won’t change what you did and what you do on a daily basis.

          • gordon

            Why don’t you just p**s off twitchytoes – the only person on here more despised than Ashley; I’d take relegation, losing rafa and impotence if it meant never having to encounter your drivel again

          • gordon

            What does it feel like having the same footballing acumen as Richard Keys, Andy Gray and Graeme Souness; must be horrifying being trapped in a mind so wee

          • Big Hairy Man

            You talk about “correcting the lies”. FACT: Ashley is a liar on many counts. FACT: He promised to pay market rates for SD advertising but payed nothing. He was a proven liar during KK’s tribunal hearing. “Every last penny” 😂😂😂😂

          • CKO

            If all of that is true why do you need to make up (support) lies to try and damage the ownership?

          • gordon

            F**k off back to twitter Twitchytoes 🤣

          • Mark Potter

            No, he wasn’t. That’s a myth. The two people who were pointed out in the hearing to have lied to fans were Wise and Mort. Ashley wasn’t. Indeed when considering whether Ashley lied to Keegan about the “manager’s” position, they found he told Keegan the truth, that he preferred a European model Coach with a Director of Football controlling the transfers. But, even though that’s what Ashley told Keegan, the lawyers then gave him a contract to sign referring to Keegan as the “manager” not a coach. The hearing decided he was the manager in the traditional English sense, and therefore should have had final say on all transfers, regardless of what Ashley said verbally. Because English law always takes what a written document says in preference to what was said verbally. The lawyers working for the club got it wrong.

            So Ashley told Keegan the truth, and Keegan knew when he signed the contract that the club would appoint a DoF. So he knew this was going to cause conflict, and the arrangement was never going to work. Especially as he didn’t like at least one of the potential candidates that were being discussed at the time (Wise), and probably could never have worked with him. But Keegan needed the money, and went ahead and signed the contract anyway.

          • F.T.P

            😂😂😂 fully grown blokes ganin on like you lot. You kenny etc are comedy in a laughing at you way, sad [email protected]

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Up the Ra

          • The potato famine is over

            Ya boring kid.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            So’s ya ma, licking Catholic chod

          • The potato famine is over

            Not as much as your great gran took of the b&t good day Desmond 🇬🇧🇮🇱

          • SuperDesHamilton

            You gonna cry?

          • Superdooperhooper

            Have fun clarko dummy ! Busted!

          • nufcslf

            I take it you are one of the lost sheep enjoying ruining the club by giving your full support to Sports Direct United. Laughable, but enjoy all the same.

          • CKO

            Why would you say that? Because I pointed out a bunch of flaws in a comment?

            Are you okay supporting the views and grouping yourself together with uninformed liars just because you all share the same hatred for Sports Direct?

          • nufcslf

            Cashley’s done a fabulous job of proving what a liar he is over the last 12 years. I don’t need any help from anyone, the whole cancer set up speaks for itself. Time will also prove it to you one day. You could start by having a look at the present league table and wonder where a first win might even come from. Just saying.

          • CKO

            That has absolutley nothing to do with the discussion, you have completely changed the subject. I wonder why?

            So let’s go back, why am I a ‘lost sheep’ for pointing out flaws/lies in a comment? Are you okay supporting the views and grouping yourself together with uninformed liars just because you all share the same hatred for Sports Direct?

          • nufcslf

            Honestly, the topic is irrelevant. Any show of support towards such a hidious a shyle of pite is simply helping f**k the club at the end of the day. I simply won’t.

          • CKO

            Where did I show support Ashley?

            You don’t think supporting liars and spreading lies about the ownership damages the validity of protests? Because it does, you’re the one helping to ‘f**k the club’ up.

            The topic absolutley matters, you were supporting false information and attacking someone who was just trying to post factual information.

          • gordon

            ‘Where did I show support Ashley?’
            Really Twitchytoes? You’re still using that tactic?

          • Superdooperhooper

            You still can’t answer your critics clarko . Just like keys on twitter.

          • gordon

            He is using the handle Twitchytoes on twitter – posts the same insults word for word. Don’t bother having any sort of reasoned debate with him; his criteria for winning an argument is posting the last comment! Much more fun to just insult the sad loser

          • nufcslf

            I’m not destoying any part of the club, I don’t and won’t put a penny its way until that fat c**t sells. Sh*t like the fatman and Donald Trump needs stopping, they are plain dangerous. Wether your numbers are correct or fact, you should f**k off and post them on a Cashley loving forum, because most of everybody on here can see right through the pryk and what he really is. Enjoy yet another home loss with no entertainment value against Arsenal next week. I’ll be watching it on the telly trying my best to ignore the sheep in the crowd that are helping fatty’s cause.

          • CKO

            Yeah you are destroying the club, you’re ignorant, you’re toxic, you’re spreading misinformation, you bully those who post something that you don’t like and all of that weakens any form of protest against Ashley when people like you are associated with the cause.

            What did I post that that showed support to Ashley? Quote me supporting Ashley, I’ll wait.

          • jack

            Your net spend is wrong ,totally wrong , and very few people cheered mclarens appointment , apart from you and a few other trolls .You really are such an idiot

          • CKO

            The net spend is quoted from the official June 2015 accounts. As for McClaren you can find the results from the Big Toon Survey down below which show that the majority of fans were content with him as manager.

          • Kenny

            Trolls mate both of them, the Rat Rats vermin

          • Wezza

            2 more to add to the block list. What sad old men they are.

          • Jezza

            Sad old men is exactly what they are. Those two trolls always put me in mind of the infamous Collyer brothers in New York in the 1940’s.

        • GlasgowMag

          Interesting discussion point a large majority of fans were behind the McLaren appointment!! I must admit you trolls are getting more desperate by the day!!!

          • CKO

            If you continued down the page you would see the results of the Big Toon Survey which shows that the majority of fans were content with Steve McClaren as a manager, that survey was opened in December 2015 when Newcastle were sat in 17th place fighting relegation…

        • JohnCornwell’sHair

          Large majority of fans were ecstatic Carver was gone, 50% of a Chronicle poll of 2000 people backed the McLaren appointment. Hardly a ringing endorsement.
          Every single fan i know was just relieved Carver was gone.

          • CKO

            That poll was taken in December 2015, when Newcastle were sat in 17th place fighting relegation, even after a horrendous first half of the season 50% of fans were still ‘content’ with McClaren. The appointment was backed by the majority of fans.

          • JohnCornwell’sHair

            Was it fu(k

          • CKO

            Quote from the article that was posted on the Chronicle website on the 6th of January 2016 regarding the survey:

            ‘Bear in mind this survey was opened after the Aston Villa draw’

            That game took place on the 19th of December 2015, Newcastle were 17th in the table.

      • Ram Kishore

        I too remember many fans ok with his appointment.. no one really expected the club to spend that much in 2015 summer and no one expected a 4 man board would be formed but it did happen..It did look like things were going well back then after 2014/15 season ended very badly. The appointment also coincided with new plans for Academy and training(which was mentioned recently by someone with an article quoting all the dates and approval for all the clubs).
        Then it all went SH IT Creek or crazy.. rest is history.

        • Jimblag23

          Well…duh!! Of course you’re going to be happy when the outgoing manager is Carver.
          That’s how badly we’re run.

      • t00nraider

        The point was, he did put his hand in his pocket, you muppet.

        • Sickandtired

          His pocket? Give owa man. It was club profits he had built up and then squandered on McClaren.
          Cost MJW Ashley not one penny – until we were relegated again.

    • Vodkamagpie

      73mil

    • Ba ba.

      He also employed jfk

  • East Durham Mag

    Some decent reasoning apart from Kevin blaming KK for a relegation. Fatty and only Fatty is to blame for lot.

  • TheFatController

    Sometimes in life, it doesn’t matter what the argument is, if it’s not happening, it’s not happening.

    I once read a joke email about how to hire people. It said ‘when you have a lot of CVs, throw half in the bin. No one wants someone who’s unlucky …’

    I think of that logic when I see Wise,Shola, Ferdinand defending Ashley. ‘Who wants an owner who’s so unlucky, even when he’s a good businessman and saved the club, he’s hated…?’

    He’s either unlucky or abusing the club for his SD interests. Either way, time to go…

    • Ram Kishore

      Haha.. nice and new actually. Different perspective with the unlucky thing

  • StevieB

    Definite yes for me . I’d even go as far as Sunderland have to make sure we are of no interest to his business anymore which would lead to him selling up. When I look at juventus and rangers and probably Sunderland to a certain extent , they all made there way back to the top table after being dropped to lower leagues , so my take on it is if your big enough you’ll find a way back, and I think we are certainly big enough

  • Toontaff

    Can we have an article – Debate: Comments on Debate : Comments about the previous comments, about the comments, please?

    • Jimblag23

      Pathetic isn’t it.
      This whole site has become abysmal, terrible articles and an infestation of trolls in the comments. RIP The Mag

  • Toontaff

    Right that’s it!
    I’m off to join The Grumpy People’s Front of Judea!

  • wheyayeman

    Mike D said it best. I’d gladly take a trip directly to the conference to be rid of the stain and continual blight of our once proud club. I can’t laugh at Sunderland because at least they are in a position to rebuild, at least their fans can have hope for better things what can we look forward to?

    • JohnCornwell’sHair

      You look a Sunderland now, i wouldn’t swap places by the way, but at least ownership has changed the “fans” feel as if there’s some hope for the future now and they’re competing well at there level.
      That’s pretty much all i want for NUFC.

      • wheyayeman

        I’d trade places in a heartbeat if we were rid of Ashley. The club could rebuild. The club could be reborn.

        • JohnCornwell’sHair

          League one would be unprecedented for us but if it facilitated the beginning of getting our house in order i think i probably agree with you.

  • JohnCornwell’sHair

    If the two scenarios were put down on a table, Premier league Ashley stays, Relegation Ashley gone. I’d take relegation every time, every single time.
    There is no upside for fans to being in the premier league as we are now.

  • Gary

    Mitrovic and wijnaldum both sold for healthy profits fatty recouped every penny outlayed that transfer window

  • thewildchimp

    I’d offer my left nut to boot.