Debate: Comments on: ‘Would you take relegation and Rafa leaving if meant Mike Ashley sold Newcastle?’
The latest article to be highlighted in our debate feature is: ‘Deal with the devil: Would you take relegation and Rafa leaving if meant Mike Ashley sold Newcastle?’
Every article we publish on The Mag, fans are invited to comment at the end of it (it only takes a minute to register and then you can comment on anything you read on here).
There are some great conversations between supporters commenting on what has been written, not always agreeing with the author…or each other.
We are now regularly/irregularly picking out an article that has produced interesting debate afterwards.
Sometimes the comments can be more interesting that the initial article…but not everybody reads the comments, so we thought some of the conversations deserved a bigger audience.
The article highlighted today has already had 116 comments so far and the basis of the article…
Was asking Newcastle fans just how desperate they are to get rid of Mike Ashley, asking them to vote on whether they would take relegation AND Rafa Benitez leaving, if you were guaranteed Mike Ashley would also sell the club.
The eventual vote result saw 76% of Newcastle fans say yes they would take the relegation and Rafa going, if it also meant seeing the back of Ashley at last.
A lot of interesting comments in response to that question as well, some of the best below.
(If you want to read the original article and/or leave your own comment (or you can do it at the bottom of this one…) go HERE):
Some of the comments after ‘Deal with the devil: Would you take relegation and Rafa leaving if meant Mike Ashley sold Newcastle?’
‘Relegation just doesn’t matter any more – there is no benefit to the club or ourselves in being in the PL, the funds therein are not used to even try and improve the club.
Like to imagine Rafa would be back like a shot if we got rid of Ashley.
Which is the best and most important thing that can happen.’
‘I don’t want Rafa to go and I don’t want to be relegated (3 – THREE – under this cancer)
But I also don’t want sportsdirefukall club playing at SJP in black and white stripes – I want Newcastle United FOOTBALL Club back
So sadly it’s a no brainier for me – it has to be a YES.’
‘Keegan walking was the reason we first got relegated. He should have stayed and fought for change. Ashley spend £73 million pounds (ED: Figure was actually just under £50m) net on players the summer before we were relegated. McClaren was to blame for the other relegation.
There should be money to buy a couple of quality players in January and next summer, enought to keep Benitez to stay.’
‘Doesn’t he say the same thing everrytime, there will be funds available in January.
‘Oh well least hes not blaming rafa for the relegation this time.’
‘Truth is there is maybe only one person out there who could perhaps end all this if they were to speak to Ashley.
The person who actually started it all.’
‘Speak to Ashley?
Get real, he won’t even listen to his manager.’
‘I can’t believe it (the vote) is up to 25% for MA to stay. Who are these people?’
‘Sad, delusional people.
It was with a heavy heart, I voted yes. But if it was a certainty, Ashley would leave. I would accept such a catastrophic outcome.
The terrifying nightmare scenario, is relegation this season, the manager leaving next June, and Ashley still as owner, all three are a distinct possibility.’
‘I think we need to do the same as the mackems and head to league one. The only way we will be rid of the FCB is if we are losing money. END OF.’
‘Came to that conclusion a while ago, that’s the only way we’ll be rid of him.
But what a price to pay! For us the fans.’
‘Might never come up again. Funnily enough, if you are in the Championship, few will invest as much as Ashley. That is when he comes to life.’
‘Invest? The actual amount he provided, external to club revenues, was £15 million. Hardly an investment when it’s part of a secure loan.’
‘He made about £40m profit on transfers last time.
He got lucky, having some ‘family silver’ to offload, which was enough to finance promotion with something to spare. As the family silver has not been replaced since, that option won’t be available next time.’
‘We wouldn’t come straight back up again. How disgraceful for our club to be relegated 3 times (`if it happens) in 11 years all through a shocking greedy owner!’
‘We also need to be wary of his next moves. The man is a deceitful charlatan.
He will have a minor war chest ready with spin prepared to give his next puppet when rafa leaves to get fans back on side for another 2-3 years.
We must repel any attempts by him to try and fix things. He cannot he trusted and surely now must be forced out.’
‘A football club should be set up to do the best it can to push on and do the best it can in the league and in the cups with finances it makes, used to progress the club forward.
Nufc has not been like that for over 10 years. You have to accept that people will want to make money but ashley has gone to the extreme.
I love rafa but all managers come and go. He could easily have a bad spell one day and get the boot. It happens.
Every day that ashley is still here we are not a football club and effectively going backwards. I believe the day he leaves and has no ties at all to the club will be the day the club is reborn. Until he is gone the club has no purpose .’
‘Yes. I’d happily go to the Conference. Without hope and the belief that things can be better, what is the point?
The club is comatose and has been for a long time. I’d take anything if it meant MA was gone and never to return.’
‘I’ve thought this for a while and this is what it may take for him to leave. We may have to drop down in the league and totally rebuild again. He has done years of damage to this club and will continue to be felt after he is gone too!’
‘If Ashley stays he will destroy the club.’
‘It’s not that hypothetical. It’s a distinct possibility at the end of this season – relegation and an out of contract Rafa leaving, that is.’
‘Whilst I agree with many of the things done by the club to run it properly, I don’t like anyone ‘owning’ this city’s club and am against any club being a commercial enterprise in general.
With that in mind I’d be happy to see the back of Mike Ashley, so I’d happilly take relegation, Rafa leaving, (his football is boring, if effective, normally)).
I’d like to see a fans group offer him the cash he wants, sell all the valuable players for as much as is possible, pay him off, and start over from what ever division that lands us in. What could be wrong with that the annual revenue of the club will always be the greatest of any competitors in the championship or below, so should ensure promotion within a year or two.
Besides winning games any where is infinitely more enjoyable than getting beat off teams full of badge kissers with deep pockets.’
‘I think the best season we had under Mike Ashley was in the Championship under Hughton. It was far more enjoyable than our most recent Championship campaign and even better than when we finished 5th under Pardew with a few momentary exceptions.
Yes I’d take that deal because, Ashley has progressively stripped the squad to it’s bare bones, ran the club into the ground, refused to make any meaningful investment in the squad or facilities.
He’s set the world of media against Newcastle fans, he’s done despicable things to undermine the club and devalue it. I’ve had enough but I can’t stop coming back to these pages and becoming even more depressed at the state of things.
There’s literally nothing to get excited about. Not the next game, not the next transfer window, not the next talent coming through, not the final league position. Nothing!’
‘Yes he’s stripped the club to its bare bones….. and then started on the squad…. loans from now on!
How do you get the local press and gullible fans to buy it? Pretend the club is for sale!’
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