Over a decade after it was first attempted, Newcastle fans are still wrestling with the all important question – What will it take to get rid of Mike Ashley?

We are now in the 12th season of his rule, supporters desperate to see him sell Newcastle United.

People said they would take relegation if it meant he would walk, Mike Ashley took us down in both 2008/09 and 2015/16, but guess what – he is still here.

The owner went public in 2008 and told fans they could stop the protests because the club was up for sale and he’d shortly be leaving.

Ten years on and we can certainly add that one on to the list of lies uttered by Ashley and his people, the SD supremo clearly having no intention of willingly selling the club.

Supporters are desperate now, a very much understrength and underinvested squad that are nailed on for yet another relegation battle, no sign of Rafa signing a new contract or getting proper backing in the transfer market.

So just how far would you go in terms of making a ‘deal with the devil’ if it meant we would also see Mike Ashley sell the club.

The question today is: Would you take relegation and Rafa leaving if meant Mike Ashley sold Newcastle?

Obviously the whole question is hypothetical and of course in reality far more likely Rafa would stay on under different owners but just how desperate are you to see the back of Mike Ashley?

At this moment in time would you take a deal that meant come August 2019, we would have seen relegation to the Championship AND Rafa Benitez leaving, if it meant NUFC also had new owners?




  • Jonathan Drape-Comyn

    Would love to hear reasons for anyone saying no to this question.

    • Kenny

      Stupidity

      • Jonathan Drape-Comyn

        what is?

        • Kenny

          I should have put it better, if you vote for Ashley to stay it would be stupidity

    • ICKOI

      I think some of the reasons would probably include losing Benitez and being relegated…

      • Jonathan Drape-Comyn

        that’s not providing a reason as to why keeping Benitez and being in the PL is MORE important than getting rid of Ashley.

        • Kenny

          Any price is worth paying to get rid of the Fat Rat

          • steve

            Would be interesting to see if you’d still be saying that if we were languishing in the Championship / League 1 in 5 years time.

          • Jonathan Drape-Comyn

            yes i would. 100% would rather be a proper club in league 1, trying their best to get back up the leagues with identity and pride (even if it doesn’t work) – rather than being a soulless club used to promote Sports Direct in the PL.

            The PL is not the be all and end all, a lot of people have to get that notion out of their head.

          • Roblee07

            Jonathan i agree with this 100%

          • steve

            Well I don’t believe you.
            Like every Newcastle fan I want Ashley out but there are only a handful of people out there with the means to fund a side capable of challenging for the Premier League and being in the Championship without Rafa will do nothing to entice them towards our club.

          • Martin Rooney

            At what point has any club with a large following ever been a proper club whilst spending decades in the championship, Leeds no, Man City no, Sunderland no Aston Villa no, seriously profound chest pumping staements without foundation are as much of a problem to the clubs well being as Ashley and over priced over paid shysters on the pitch.

          • Kenny

            f##k off, troll scum

          • David2211

            I agree. If Ashley is gone I can go back and watch my football team again in the flesh. That will be worth it no matter what league we are in.

        • ICKOI

          So why is getting rid of Ashley more important than keeping Benitez and our PL status?

      • Martin Rooney

        But Benitez won’t be there in five years regardless, and we will at some point whether 2020 or 2050 be relegated.

        • ICKOI

          Do you have a magic crystal ball that you’re hiding from the rest of us? Come on, you’re being silly, you don’t when Benitez will leave and you don’t know if or when Newcastle will be relegated again.

          • Martin Rooney

            No but given
            a. the average employment of a premier league manager is 2 years 4 months
            b. Rafa has left 5 of his 11 clubs because of the owners failure to ‘strengthen’ (give him what he wants
            c. NUFC is Rafa the 58 year old manager’s third longest managerial employment.
            d. he’s never been employed as a manager by any club for more than 6 years.

            it’s highly likely he won’t be here, as for us getting relegated then I guess your under 30 years old!!!

          • ICKOI

            Again, you do not know when Benitez will leave and you do not know if/when Newcastle will be relegated. I’m not looking to debate a hypothetical question.

  • Alex

    I could be wrong here, and it’ll only come out once the current period accounts are released, but my take on recent events is this….

    1)

    Despite huge prize, performance and media money coming in, there’s no meaningful outlay whatsoever. I think this money has gone towards repaying Ashley’s loans to the club.

    2)
    Club is virtually debt-free, so no buyer has to also ‘buy’ the debt off Ashley.

    3)
    Club is either relegated or survives by the skin of it’s teeth.

    4)
    Asset value of the club is, probably, around half of what Ashley is looking for, as of now. But, since he’s already got his loans back, it’s actually a realistic and fair valuation that Fatty could possibly do a deal over.

    5)
    If relegated, he can cream a bit more money due to the sales of better players, and accept a pretty low price for the skeleton of a club that will be left

    6)
    If survives, Fatty knows Rafa will leave along with better players. So, Ashley will deal quickly in order to try to preserve the asset value that Rafa, Lascelles, Shelvey etc bring to the club.

    7)
    A tranche of tv money is due in December, I think. January will, indeed, be a seminal month for many.

    • Leazes.

      You are saying Ashley wants out….but nothing at all suggests that is true…. He has made noises which proved false, he could have got out if he wanted to but he didn’t!

      .Debt’…. give me strength, all clubs carry mortgage repayments….all of them!

      The media have kept a myth going of a club out of control when it wasn’t…. our ‘debt’ of £60m was raking in an extra £8 to £10m per season with 15000 extra seats and would have been paid off in 2016…… there’s a reason for inventing a debt and its to cover an asset strip and a continual campaign against the clubs fans…. 7

      ….if you want to run a football club you don’t promote an office boy to Chairman and make him accountable to a PR bloke and a Lawyer!

      The club that was virtually debt free ….now has £144m worth of real debt thanks to the bizarre mechanism of money-ball spendthrift economy and relegation that follows it.

      Ashley doesn’t lose out he pays himself back….its the fans who take it year after bloody year…. don’t believe the club was ever for sale, not really!

      • Cockneytrev

        Exactly

      • Martin Rooney

        The most expensive of the inferior level 7 seats priced at £450 for adults and £225 for kids in 2007 brought in a total revenue of £5m per year, of course there’s add ons for food and drink purchased.
        However the current drinks supplier claims a loss for both parties on the current contract, ironically based on the cost of providing goods to the level 7 area due to the waste incurred relating to draft beers served.

        • Ashley-out

          you seem to know a lot, did you get the figures from Bishop

          • Martin Rooney

            No my previous season ticket was in level seven actual cost was £454 and exactly half for the kid. So maybe £5.1m per year, you can ask molson coors about their current deal and how they are working with the club to improve the beer supply for both companies.

      • Alex

        You’re not getting it, are you? I’m fully aware there’s no debt as such. However, it’s on ‘the books’ as a loan to the club, therefore that loan has to be repaid by anyone taking over the business. Yes, before you start, I’m aware that it’s to himself, but from an external viewpoint, Ashley is still a book creditor to NUFC.

        I’ve banged on here myself that, had the original bank loan ran its course, it would’ve been repaid by now. The fact that Ashley replaced it, and froze it, is a disgrace. But, we know it was done for SD / Ashley’s benefit and not the clubs.

        Everything is always for sale, and had someone accepted Ashley’s idiotic price, he’d have sold it. Obviously, he couldn’t find anyone so stupid. The game may have changed with the HoF purchase, who knows.

        As you say, the way the club is run, and with the type of people in charge of admin, NUFC is a mere shell of a football club. There will come a point where the shell is worth very little, which is, I think, the target for Ashley. At whatever value it is then, Ashley should find a buyer. In the meantime, my guess is that he’s taken the money as I’ve described above, in order to get the overall sale return that he’s after.

        • Sickandtired

          Included the interest too!

  • Cockneytrev

    If we go down, imo we won’t come straight back up,, this squad is so poor,
    take out Dubravka, lascelles, shelvey, Definitely a championship squad,,,
    If we are relegated and Ashley sells, he will have stripped the squad of any talent first.

  • Arty Hume

    Yes I would take relegation AND Rafa leaving IF he sold the club immediately Rafa left! If this happened I believe Rafa would be immediately hired as the manager by the new owner/s. That would be my only way for it to work.

  • Leazes.

    The fact that he has a PR guy Keith Bishop is running the show alongside Lawyer Justin Barnes then Lee Charnley has been forced to run most large financial decisions past him before he has been allowed to act by Ashley…..

    ….tells you he’s staying, and is pulling the puppet strings.

    Douglas of the Chronicle diminishes the role of Barnes but all of the contacts for the media are linked to him…. so that isn’t true Mr Douglas…. the PR is aimed at the weakest link in the Media Machine and that is you!

    Ashley couldn’t have lasted so long without you!

  • Foggy

    Much as I hate to say it, I think I’d take that deal. I don’t see any winners in the current situation, not even the fat man in the long run.

  • Ram Kishore

    Worst ever poll i have ever seen in The mag 😂😂

    • Martin Rooney

      surely that can’t be true???

      • Ram Kishore

        Haha.. idk man..
        That poll is so weird..
        I would not want us to be relegated and i wouldn’t want a good manager leaving, just because that will force Ashley to sell the club.
        I wouldn’t want to miss watching the team play in the league.. Getting promoted isn’t an easy task anymore

        • Sickandtired

          Well, Ashley isn’t too concerned is he? Two relegation’s so far. KK, Houghton, Shearer screwed over by him. Rafa is currently in the same position.

          • Ram Kishore

            Yeah ik. But I would never vote or wish for a relegation.. it just seems a stupid vote thats.. Just my opinion

      • Come&TakeIt1836

        Let’s take a poll to see… oh, wait. 😂

  • Come&TakeIt1836

    Giving up the PL is a deal breaker. This shrinks the competitive nature of the club long term and in a way that is not guaranteed to ever return. Survival in the PL has to be the practical, thoughtful priority against any idealistic, emotional option that sees MA gone.

    • Ashley-out

      you think Newcastle will survive when Rafa leaves, dream on mate

      • Come&TakeIt1836

        The only question asked was would you take premise one AND premise two for a specific effect. Your premise (what happens if/when Rafa leaves) and it’s effect involves contingencies in the following year as well as requires other premises to be shared (i.e. who replaces Rafa) which were not what was asked and not what I answered.

        • Kenny

          troll

          • Ram Kishore

            Would u love relegation? Hiring the right manager and getting us will always be a tough task.. Fulham took four years to come back up and didn’t get the right manager in the first attempt

  • Mike D

    I think the best season we had under Mike Ashley was in the Championship under Hughton. It was far more enjoyable than our most recent Championship campaign and even better than when we finished 5th under Pardew with a few momentary exceptions. Yes I’d take that deal because, Ashley has progressively stripped the squad to it’s bare bones, ran the club into the ground, refused to make any meaningful investment in the squad or facilities. He’s set the world of media against Newcastle fans, he’s done despicable things to undermine the club and devalue it. I’ve had enough but I can’t stop coming back to these pages and becoming even more depressed at the state of things. There’s literally nothing to get excited about. Not the next game, not the next transfer window, not the next talent coming through, not the final league position. Nothing!

    • TheFatController

      Agreed, makes me wonder, If our fans are aged 16 and under, do they know what a Cup run is?

      If we went down, would anyone under 20 have a reason to turn up, other than family ties ?

      The danger of relegation is that we lose the young fanbase. Once that’s gone, the likes of Bournemouth, Fulham, Watford et al will likely see us as small fry. Rightly.

      Ten years of dross is ok for the old and middle aged beer drinking mates on matchday brigade (95% of us?) who hark back to the entertainers, Gazza. Supremac, Fairs Cuo, even if lucky the 50s cup team, but what motive will the under 20s have to put up with championship dross like we did early and late 80s.

      What teenager is going to watch our highlights on Quest after a 2-2 draw with lowly Charlton, say, in our fourth successive championship season ?

      • Mike D

        I think you could say the same now. Even in the premier league. There’s nothing to inspire kids to support Newcastle. My 5yr old loves the idea of Newcastle. When he says they’re the best team there’s this awkward conversation and a feeling of guilt that follows. Maybe I shouldn’t have brought him up like that. It is funny when he slags off makems though.

        • TheFatController

          No 5 year old Mackem fan thinks they’re the best team.

          It’s their adult fans that think that …

    • Leazes.

      Yes he’s stripped the club to its bare bones….. and then started on the squad…. loans from now on!

      How do you get the local press and gullible fans to buy it? Pretend the club is for sale!

      • Mike D

        If only it were true and he actually wanted to wash his hands of the club, and promptly. We might not have a world beating team but we might end up with something competitive.

        • Leazes.

          The stupidity of it all, he could have had a club successfully going on jaunts into Europe with £20m outlay per season and giving the club its own marketing and advertising money would have avoided relegation,

          ….then you ask yourself why keep Charnley there he’s not a football person, even the Chronicle called for his removal three years back, well hes there to mismanage….even Ashley knows what he has there!

          • Kenny

            Penfold is doing a grand job of it as well

          • Mike D

            Modest investment year on year and an attempt to improve all aspects of the club feels like a pipe dream.

      • Chris-Chapple

        he has no intention of selling.

        • Leazes.

          Thats what I said…

          • Kenny

            he said, you said, i say he will never sell 😃

      • Sickandtired

        I can prove he’s cooking the books:-

        He counted the settling of the clubs bills as his original ‘loan’. That’s documented as £100 million in 2008 accounts.

        That increased to £111 million, 2009, due to a personal loan from him for relegation 1.

        NOW – Accounts of 2011 say Ashley has made loans to the club of £139.8 million? Well, I say! Where did the other £28.8 million come from? Barclays Bank that’s where!!! Charges secured on future broadcasting income as detailed in 2010 accounts. Barclays were the only company to have charges (2) over NUFC, as proven at Companies House.

        We know Ashley repaid himself the £11 million in 2012 as the ‘loans’ were reduced to £129 million. BUT, that is documented now as all his loans – no mention of Barclays!

        His SJH loaned £33 million in Dec 2016. Accounts say £18 million was used to repay Ashley’s personal loan to the group. What personal loan??? The £11 million was the only one made and had been repaid.

        Simply put (I hope) –

        2008 £100 million Ashley ‘loans’
        2009 £ 11 million further Ashley loan
        2010 £28.8 million Barclays loans
        2012 £ 11 million repaid to Ashley

        £129 million owed (as per accounts). Clearly that’s £100 mil to Ashley, £28.8 mil to Barclays, despite what the accounts claim.

        2016 £33 million SJH loan
        £18 million straight to Ashley. £15 million added to ‘loans’ now totaling £144 million.
        BUT £100 million, minus £18 million, + 15 million = £97 million.
        + Barclays, £28.8 million = £126 million. NOT £144 mil!

        A perfect £18 million difference.

        Moreover, both Barclays charges are now shown as satisfied (paid off) as of March. The club can not owe Ashley/SJH any more than £97 million now and I believe these issues prove he is a crook.

        Or maybe I’m just having a blonde moment, but I don’t think so ;-)

        .

  • Ashley-out

    Ashley stays & the inevitable will happen when Rafa leaves,
    relegation & his puppet manager would not be able to gain promotion,
    so yes i would take relegation to get rid of him because that is where we are heading anyway

  • Kenny

    i see some of the vermin trolls are out of their bins.

  • Martin Rooney

    Whilst I agree with a many of the things done by the club to run it properly, I don’t like anyone ‘owning’ this city’s club and am against any club being a commercial enterprise in general.
    With that in mind I’d be happy to see the back of Mike Ashley, so I’d happilly take relegation, Rafa leaving, (his football is boring, if effective, normally)).
    I’d like to see a fans group offer him the cash he wants, sell all the valuable players for as much as is possible, pay him off, and start over from what ever division that lands us in. What could be wrong with that the annual revenue of the club will always be the greatest of any competitors in the championship or below, so should ensure promotion within a year or two.
    Besides winning games any where is infinitely more enjoyable than getting beat off teams full of badge kissers with deep pockets.

  • Sickandtired

    It’s not that hypothetical. It’s a distinct possibility at the end of this season.

    • Danimal

      Yeah it wasn’t such a difficult “choice” once I remembered how very likely both events are.

  • Chris-Chapple

    If Ashley stays he will destroy the club.

  • kbarbariab

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    • salexsklad

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      • lartur2008

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    • Kenny

      F##k off, slag

  • Wezza

    I’ve thought this for a while and this is what it may take for him to leave. We may have to drop down in the league and totally rebuild again. He has done years of damage to this club and will continue to be felt after he is gone too!

  • S.G.M.

    Stupid question

  • Kenny

    notice how the vermin trolls all come up with the same figures & they love contradicting each other, sick individuals.

    • Benji

      f##k off you [email protected]

      • Kenny

        vermin troll, i hit the nail right on the head you scum 🤡🤡🤡

    • Nut

      Yep sad!

  • David2211

    Yes. I’d happily go to the Conference. Without hope and the belief that things can be better, what is the point?
    The club is comatose and has been for a long time. I’d take anything if it meant MA was gone and never to return.

  • Roblee07

    A football club should be set up to do the best it can to push on and do the best it can in the league and in the cups with finances it makes, used to progress the club forward. Nufc has not been like that for over 10 years. You have to accept that people will want to make money but ashley has gone to the extreme. I love rafa but all managers come and go. He could easily have a bad spell one day and get the boot. It happens. Every day that ashley is still here we are not a football club and effectively going backwards. I believe the day he leaves and has no ties at all to the club will be the day the club is reborn. Until he is gone the club has no purpose .

  • Roblee07

    We also need to be wary of his next moves. The man is a deceitful charlatan. He will have a minor war chest ready with spin prepared to give his next puppet when rafa leaves to get fans back on side for another 2-3 years. We must repel any attempts by him to try and fix things. He cannot he trusted and surely now must be forced out

    • Nut

      So what?

  • Ashley-out

    solve a lot of problems if he just died.

    • Nut

      Solve even more if you do.

      • Ashley-out

        p1$$ off moron

        • Nut

          Feelings entirely mutual believe me!

    • porciestreet

      Been advocating that for years now.
      Nobody likes it but it would sort the whole sorry episode.

  • Nut

    Give up with most of the idiots on here, you make a post and next thing you get accused of being an Ashley puppet if it’s even remotely not having a go at the guy.

    Well I am so sorry but I do not see why I should have to apologise for hAvington an opinion.

    The bulk of this site is controlled by those behind the magpie group who are desperate to claw some form of power for themselves regardless of the damage it does in the longer term.

    Personally I do not support their way of doing thing’s and theirfore I am classed as the antichrist and should be spat on and beaten on sight! Hell if you can shootake me or poison me even better.

    • Benji

      First 2 sentences describe f#ckwit bell ends like Kenny, Wezza and Jezza perfectly.

      • Nut

        Maybe we should meet in person so I can make you vomit in the fireplace?

        • Kenny

          He’d have to come up from Manchester

      • Ashley-out

        troll

      • Kenny

        You’re the f wit you scum troll
        🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

      • SuperDesHamilton

        Nahhh Kenny isn’t a P#### like wezza Jezza & Leazes

    • Ashley-out

      if you can`t spot the trolls then you are an idiot

      • Nut

        Oh I spot them…. but I have my own opinions and that’s not allowed!

        • Ashley-out

          opinions are allowed but they are on here day in day out backing Ashley

          • Nut

            So what? So are others on here day in day out attacking anyone who remotely stands up for him.

            I have my opinion, I respect your right to dislike the owner/s however I do not respect the manner in which some are going about things.

            There is only one way with Ashley and that’s for the one who actually started all of this to come forward and go and talk to him.

    • SuperDesHamilton

      Correct Monkseaton.

  • Lostprofit DBC

    Might never come up again. Funnily enough, if you are in the Championship, few will invest as much as Ashley. That is when he comes to life.

    • phildene

      We wouldn’t come straight back up again. How disgraceful for our club to be relegated 3 times (`if it happens) in 11 years all through a shocking greedy owner!

    • Danimal

      He made about £40m profit on transfers last time. He got lucky, having some ‘family silver’ to offload, which was enough to finance promotion with something to spare. As the family silver has not been replaced since, that option won’t be available next time.

    • Sickandtired

      Invest? The actual amount he provided, external to club revenues, was £15 million. Hardly an investment when it’s part of a secure loan.

  • Waxi

    I think we need to do the same as the mackems and head to league one. The only way we will be rid of the FCB is if we are losing money. END OF.

    • Peter C

      Came to that conclusion a while ago, that’s the only way we’ll be rid of him.

      But what a price to pay!, for us the fans.

  • Waxi

    BTW i can’t believe it’s up to 25% for MA to stay. Who are these people.

    • Sickandtired

      Mackems

    • Peter C

      Sad, delusional people, ones like Monkseaton Magpie. It was with a heavy heart, I voted yes. But if it was a certainty, Ashley would leave. I would except such a catastrophic outcome.

      The terrifying nightmare scenario, is relegation this season, the manager leaving next June, and Ashley still as owner, all three are a distinct possibility.

    • Nut

      Yes you should find out who and hire the right people to liquidate them!

  • Nut

    Truth is there is maybe only one person out there who could perhaps end all this if they were to speak to Ashley.

    The person who actually started it all.

    • Kenny

      Speak to Ashley, get real he won’t even listen to his manager

    • Sickandtired

      His Mum?

  • BanJones

    Is this a question for primary school pupils only or can anyone join in?

  • Mrkgw

    Relegation would be a complete disaster. Make no mistake about that. Equally, I”d love MA to go however, there is no way that I want to see the club relegated.

    • Leazes.

      How did you vote?

  • Kevin Thomas

    Keegan walking was the reason we first got relegated. He should have stayed and fought for change. Ashley spend £73 million pounds net on players the summer before we were relegated. McClaren was to blame for the other relegation. There should be money to buy a couple of quality players in January and next summer, enought to keep Benitez to stay.

    • SuperDesHamilton

      Hello ghost it’s good to hear from you again.

      • drc74

        doesn’t he say the same thing evrrytime, there will be funds available in jan, oh well least hes not blaming rafa for the relegation this time

        • SuperDesHamilton

          Aye if people are gonna use multiple accounts at least make them a bit different 😂

          • drc74

            “the funniest one last week boobi replied as Monkseaton and vise versa, lmao

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Then it goes quiet a while then they come back, bless them

  • Jonas

    Relegation just doesn’t matter any more – there is no benefit to the club or ourselves in being in the PL, the funds therein are not used to even try and improve the club.
    like to imagine Rafa would be back like a shot if we got rid of Ashley.
    which is the best and most important thing that can happen.

  • NUFC9

    Depends who he’d be selling to. If it’s an ambitious owner with a serious but business based plan such as at Spurs/Liverpool or a crazy sheikh with more money than sense who’d sign a decent manager/players and get us back into the prem then look to push on, yes. I’d take the short term pain for the long term benefits.

    If it’s someone like Karl Oyston or Venkys, no. I’d rather be a premiership team with no ambition beyond finishing 17th with the minimum possible spend under Ashley than go into free fall under an Oyston or similar.

  • Will Venus

    This might just be wishful thinking on my part, but in the picture, if you look at the top part of the blue/white shirt to the right of Penfold as we look, I’m sure it spells “TIT”😂😂😂🔫

    • Taz

      Lol great spot!!!

  • Steven05

    I don’t want Rafa to go and I don’t want to be relegated (3 – THREE – under this cancer)

    But I also don’t want sportsdirefukall club playing at SJP in black and white stripes – I want Newcastle United FOOTBALL Club back

    So sadly it’s a no brainier for me – it has to be a YES

    • Taz

      Lol great spot