Newcastle United are 10 days away from a new Premier League season kicking off.

Forty three and a half hours before we play Tottenham, the summer transfer window closes.

By that point Newcastle fans will have a better idea of what they can expect in the nine months that will follow.

As it stands now after 11 weeks of this transfer window, difficult to make a case for things being on the up.

When it comes to Rafa Benitez working with new faces in pre-season, he has been limited so far to 24 minutes with Fabian Schar and 45 minutes for Ki Sung-yueng.

Not what he was hoping for, clearly.

With Braga tonight and then Augsburg three days later, there appears to be zero chance of any other new faces being involved in these remaining pre-season friendlies, even if Muto gets his work permit through today and/or any other signings are made in the very near future.

The World Cup helped us to get through the summer, the fact it turned out to be an excellent tournament was a massive bonus.

Four and a half weeks of not having to focus only on (the lack of) Newcastle signings.

However, France beat Croatia, the Newcastle United squad regrouped, and we had to face reality once again.

This is when your spirits really slide.

Last summer Newcastle United tried to tread water, at best, a window of budget signings and the season ended with only one of those, Florian Lejeune, in the team.

This summer a massive amount of work needed to be done in the transfer market and instead we have had Mike Ashley refusing to allow Rafa Benitez any transfer budget, having to sell players before he can buy.

With so few new faces, as the season approaches the void has to be filled that would normally be occupied by new signings talking about what they will bring to the team, the media competing to talk to them and how they will improve things for the new season.

This is the period of time when you really realise that the game is up at Newcastle United.

Instead of new signings, that void has been filled by interviews with players who weren’t good enough last season and young  players who Rafa Benitez has been forced to involve because of the lack of new signings.

No disrespect but I have no interest whatsoever in hearing Joselu, Atsu, Manquillo, Murphy, and others, telling us how this time it will be so much better, and how well pre-season has been going.

As for young players, yes we all want to see young talent come through into the first team, but only when it is as a positive, when they are really pushing and capable of doing it.

Sean Longstaff was set to go and play for Portsmouth in League One on loan but Rafa Benitez has been forced to postpone that, maybe indefinitely, because of lack of support in this transfer window. Only Matt Ritchie has had more minutes on the pitch than the 20 year old in these first three pre-season friendlies, the manager needing to give him some concentrated experience with the first team just in case he has to involve him this coming season.

When both the club and local media are pushing forward younger players such as Longstaff, Callum Roberts and Josef Yarney, as potential players this season for the first team squad, it just feels like desperation.

With Rafa having so little cash to spread around despite currently being £35m up on transfer deals so far (£25.5m once Muto’s work permit comes through), I then see a big interview this week with Jamie Sterry, the club putting him up to speak to the media.

At the end of last season the right-back was one of those listed by local media as a player that was amongst those Rafa definitely wanted to move out this summer. Sterry turns 23 in November and has so far had 16 minutes of league football in his career at Newcastle and last year was on loan at League Two Crewe.

I hope all young players can have great careers but I’m sorry, if Rafa is forced to include these players because he isn’t allowed to sign those he desperately needs, it is a recipe for disaster.

It doesn’t do younger players any good either, they would be better off out on loan getting regular games, or if indeed their future lies at a lower level, get them moved on and allow them to play for whoever.

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  • Paul Patterson

    It’s an absolute disgrace. Expect a PR deluge from Ashley/Bishop and maybe an interview with the owner himself about how we can’t compete.
    Either way, the money is going somewhere and it ain’t Newcastle United. I think £25m will be going on Ashley’s new House (of Fraser).
    #Wheresthemoneygone 💰👋🚁

    • MP01

      This time, it almost feels as if he just doesn’t care about the public outcries. He’s just hiding away from the spotlight and letting the club dwindle away to a pure marketing tool for his other business ventures.

      Last i heard it was £50m for House of Fraser…. no wonder there’s “no money”……

      #Ashleyout

      • Ben Jones

        We’ve been over this, Rafa signs his contract he gets funds released, you can’t allow someone going into their last year of contract who is refusing to sign a new one all the funds to buy a team in his image. That would be madness

        • Toontaff

          Madness would be having funds, not using them to improve, getting relegated, needing the funds for promotion, then repeating the same process! This appears to be the third cycle of utter madness!

          • Toontaff

            Nearly forgot, whilst whining about losses due to relegation, employing useless managers like Pardew/Carver/McClaren to oversee the process, somehow getting a top manager and expecting him to comply. To be fair, the first 3 were too daft to realise what was going on!

          • Wezza

            Guys block Ben Jones. He isn’t an NUFC supporter he is a sad old Man Utd fan who trolls here to get a reaction out of people to feed his sad, pathetic life. His brother also trolls here.

        • JonMag

          the more you post the more you make a C nut of yourself

          • Ben Jones

            I thought you’d blocked me and give me free reign over your comments

          • Toontaff

            Do you keep some sort of database on who writes what on here? Honestly, you really are sounding daft!

          • Ben Jones

            No mate, some of us have memories greater than that of a fish, he only said it yesterday, I ain’t gonna apologise for remembering his name, sorry like

          • Toontaff

            In this case, your eloquent reply is spot on!

          • JonMag

            the guy`s an idiot

        • Billmag

          Shut the eff up everyone is sick to death of your constant backing of the poison regime ruining our club, I will say again for the last time to you Profit or Relegation you choose goodbye.

          • Ben Jones

            Gosh. I’ll have some profit please

          • Toontaff

            So you’d prefer the Toon to be relegated? As long as Mike’s in profit. Sorry, lad, you’re losing the plot.

          • JonMag

            he lost the plot when he popped out of mummy`s womb
            his afterbirths between his ears

          • Ben Jones

            He said profit or relegation, of course I’m gonna choose profit, it’s YOU who would choose relegation if you’re pissy with me for my choice . Think about it

          • Toontaff

            You know what he meant. You’re twisting too many posts from others for you’re own gratification.

          • nevfur

            Relegation that according to the club costs a £90M debt so that chosen profit has long gone.

        • Lord

          How is it different from, say, Wenger bringing in players on 5 year deals when he only had a year left on his contract?

        • Milo79

          “Rafa, you may not buy while you refuse to sign that contract but please feel free to sell.”

          Does that about sum it up?

        • Toontaff

          That just doesn’t wash – it’s a poor excuse, probably a lie. Every window there’s a new one toad to the old ones.

        • nevfur

          If you can’t bring yourself to back the manager you yourself employed (a world class manager at that) whilst he is still under contract then you are damaging your own investment. If that’s what Ashley feels he should have sacked Rafa.

          • Ben Jones

            I agree, or they could have come to a compromise where neither party has to pay and both just walk away

      • ghostrider

        What he does with his own money, is his business, not ours.

        • Toontaff

          So, no need for NUFC to bother with accounts?

          • ghostrider

            Not Ashley’s personal money….no.
            What the club generates is what’s pertinent…nothing more, nothing less.

          • Toontaff

            During Rafa’s reign the club has generated around 50 million in profit, from transfers.

          • Ben Jones

            I’ve a strong suspicion this is all gearing up to selling by the end of the season, he’ll leave with us in the premier league and an abundance of cash in the NUFC bank so that anything that happens from then on can not be pinned on him(he left us in a strong financial position in the premier league with rafa)

          • Toontaff

            That’s one possibility. Problem being that we could well be relegated, Rafa could well be gone, whilst, there doesn’t seem to be anyone willing to pay the price Ashley wants. Assuming he’s hoarding profit to pay off his own loan, hence reducing the asking price would make sense…………but he’s gambling massively on far too many things.

          • Ben Jones

            You want him out, he wants out, he’s back of a tab packet worked out that 400m asking price is more palatable when there’s 100m sitting in the club account

          • Toontaff

            So, you’re saying there’ll be an asset of 100 million in the NUFC bank account when he goes. Excellent!

          • Ben Jones

            That’s not what I said is it. Do keep up

          • Toontaff

            So he wants 400 million + 100 million of NUFC’s money? That’s 500 million.

          • Ben Jones

            Dear God. Or 87m or 76m or maybe 58m but could be 98m . And no

          • Toontaff

            400 million paid – club sold.
            100 million in the bank. {‘Club Account’, ‘he’llleave with an abundance of cash in the NUFC bank’}
            It’s what you said.

          • Ben Jones

            Quote it please. Let’s see if you’re right..

          • Toontaff

            Ben Jones • 30 minutes ago

            You want him out, he wants out, he’s back of a tab packet worked out that 400m asking price is more palatable when there’s 100m sitting in the club account

          • Ben Jones

            Yes. It’s more palatable for the new owners to pay if they have funds readily available rather than them funds already spent

          • Toontaff

            Sorry lad, you’re wasting my team, doing my head in, behaving like a silly little kid. re sarcasm is not even funny. I’m fair minded, but you’re being a total idiot!

          • Ben Jones

            You’ve taken what I meant the wrong way and I’m explaining what I did mean, stop getting so pissy

          • Toontaff

            Ben Jones • an hour ago

            I’ve a strong suspicion this is all gearing up to selling by the end of the season, he’ll leave with us in the premier league and an abundance of cash in the NUFC bank so that anything that………….

          • Ben Jones

            Yes he’ll leave us in the premier league with an abundance of cash in the bank which is more palatable an investment for the new owners than if the money wasn’t in the account and had been spent

          • ghostrider

            A bit biased don’t you think?
            Rafa’s reign happened to be being in charge when we were relegated and watching the rats vacate the sinking ship.
            Good money was made which was not the fault of the club being greedy.

            Also, Mitrovic apparently was worthless to some and some fans were begging for the club to get shot at 10 million or 12 million…yet we get 22 million plus a potential 5 million add on.

            Club’s fault?
            If this is a fault then we’ve lost reason.

            Or is it the supposed lack of re-investment?
            Should the club operate at a loss. Would this make you happy?

            Here’s how it works.
            Bigger buys means bigger wages.
            Bigger buys and wages means bigger fan expectation.

            Bigger fan expectation means more bigger buys and bigger wages than the bigger wages.

            And so on.
            Any issues?

            The issues I see is, FOR WHAT?

            Who are we battling against for this?

            West Ham or Everton or Fulham or Cardiff?

            Or are we after Man City and co?

            Because this is how it works.
            If we buy big and certain players produce the goods, we get robbed of the player by the elites and we potentially make a small profit…which generally would be small if we happened to spend BIG.

            We are Newcastle United…a big club that’s ripe for the heist by the elites and the only way we’ll ever stop the heists is if we are part of the slites doing it, meaning we end up with players who’s wages would basically average around £100,000 a week throughout the entire playable squad.

            This means the fans get to pay super high prices to watch and also the working class football fan dies a death to be replaced by the plastic viewers in the main.

            The 52,000 fans will become the 43,000 fans, even though we fight with the elite…because the real fans have lost their football club and do not feel part of it.

            Hate Ashley as much as people want to but this club is still run on a working class basis and is not run with mercenaries as part of the set up, in the main.

            Apart from Rafa, maybe….in my opinion.

          • Toontaff

            Working class? Even the lowest paid PL players are on 20k per week = 1million + per year. On a good working class wages, say 25k per year, it would take 40 years to earn that!

          • ghostrider

            You aren’t earning it, you’re paying to watch it…which is what I’m getting at if you read it.

          • Ben Jones

            Now you’re twisting words for personal satisfaction, you know he was talking about working class fans

          • Toontaff

            He said the club. The days of football as a working man’s sport have long gone!
            Most fans, working class or not, feel they have already lost their club to a deceitful, greedy, unscrupulous owner.

          • Toontaff

            You did not address the 50 million.
            There are some possibilities:
            1. Ashley’s taken it.
            2. It’s waiting to be spent on transfers. Here, Rafa, here’s an extra 50 million, spend and sign here. easy!
            3. NUFC has been so badly run under Ashley, it’s needed for operating costs, despite all the other income, and Ashley is such a poor business man, he’s running NUFC very badly.

          • ghostrider

            1. What exactly has Ashley took. Which money?

            2.Money gets spent on transfers. What’s the issue?

            3.NUFC is ran on a sensible basis. Nothing to get over excited about but not exactly bare bones, either.
            Ashley’s not into handing out presents. He tried that and is now under no illusions about doing anything other than running a football club without fancy dan trimmings for the benefit of fans who hate him and spew bile at him.

            Would you?

          • Toontaff

            50 million transfer fees, probably Sky money, who knows what else? How are all the other owners not whining about not being able to pay transfer fees? He’s either lying and syphoning off profits, running us very badly or paying off his debt.

          • ghostrider

            All other owners not whining about paying transfer fees?
            Like who?
            Take a look at Burnley.
            Look at many other clubs and what they sell and buy.
            And then take a look at the money bag owners who skate around fair play rules.
            Then take a look at the chancers who want to appease their fans with a fast ride to nowhere with fast money to oblivion.

            Ashley runs this club and that’s it.
            He’s not after winning the league because he knows it’ll be the death of the club to attempt it.
            Same with the champions league.

            The best we can do is hunt for 7th or 8th with maybe a fluke every 20 years of a 5th or whatever.
            Until the sugar daddy clubs cave in, we will always be like this unless we become a sugar daddy club.

            In the meantime there’s a football team to support and be a fan of for those who wish to.

          • Milo79

            We have been consistently one of the 20 richest football clubs in the world for many years now. Yet here we are, trying desperately to swap one of our three remaining strikers for a 29-year-old with a bang average goal scoring record from a relegated club, in spite of having just banked £22m from the sale of Mitrovic. Desperate doesn’t even come close to how NUFC operates under Ashley.

          • ghostrider

            Consistently one of the 20 richest clubs?
            One minute fans are saying the club isn’t worth what Ashley’s asking and now we’re one of the 20 richest clubs.

            How is this?

            There’s a portion of fans who’s hatred of anything Ashley holds no bounds.
            Also the adherence to a messiah borders on more destructive rather than beneficial.
            It goes like this.
            Take Mitrovic as an example.
            Rafa refuses to play him and Mitrovic becomes a liability and lazy, plus disrespectful, sloth slow and needing 20 attempts for every goal….and so on and so on. Plus the million red cards that some fans thin k he’s got. And where a face brush with a West Ham player (Lanzini) is deemed worthy of the ban and Mitrovic is a violent psychopath type.
            This is from his own fans.
            Best rid of and not worth more than 10 million, some say.

            Place a non-messiah manager in charge and refuse to play Mitrovic whilst playing who Rafa’s has been and the non-messiah manager would have had banners made with nooses around his neck….etc.

            This is the mentality of fans who hold onto the coattails of managerial heroes who have basically done nothing special, yet are deemed as some kind of genius who can do no wrong, no matter what.

            A sorry state of affairs much more than what people think Ashley is doing.

          • Ben Jones

            Yes I’ve noticed them riding 2 horses claiming polar opposites just to have a whine. They don’t realise they’re doing it and expect us to take them seriously. I mean seriously

          • Milo79

            Ask the people at Deloitte or Forbes who put these lists together, or feel free to Google it.

            I have no idea whether £400m is an unrealistic sum for the club or not but, going by the acres of newsprint committed to the subject, it’s a vastly inflated price tag for a volatile club that has twice been in the Championship in recent seasons and has a fractious relationship with its fanbase and manager alike.

            Anyway, your trolling is getting boring now.

          • ghostrider

            When a football player can be sold for 200 million, please do not tell me that a big football club like Newcastle United with a magnificent stadium and as the only football club in the city….is not worth 400 million, because it’s pretty much pointless.

            If we were owned by anyone but Ashley and some outsider offered us 400 million, the fans would call the potential buyers, measly and big up the club as being worth much more.

            this is about Ashley and nothing other.
            It actually makes the fans look deluded.

          • Milo79

            I think the market will decide whether the club is worth £400m, not the fans. You give the supporters far too much credit. The buyers are not exactly beating a path to Ashley’s door waving a cheque for £400m are they?

          • ghostrider

            I never said the fans would decide what the club is worth.

          • Steve Campion

            If it is worth £400m, why has no one offered it? Do you think they are a large number of buyers willing to pay £400m for the club but don’t realise it is up for sale?

          • ghostrider

            Nobody has offered it because nobody has the money to buy it and actually take it forward andalso make money from it. That’s most likely why.
            Any potential buyer who has only a set amount to play with, is not going to go anywhere near Newcastle United unless they intend to take a massive gamble on a few seasons to hit success….or run it on an even keel whilst trying to slowly build it to a set level whilst marketing their brand on the back of it…and hoping to go a step further…carefully.

            That’s Ashley’s model.

            The reality these days is….nobody has the money required to put this club on the elite map…unless there’s a bored oil tycoon with unlimited cash, willing to simply bankroll the club for decades to come by throwing blank cheques at the best managers for the best players to play as an extra elite in the pack.

            If Ashley sells up and goes then I’d be worried, because I believe we’d go downhill fast within a few years.
            With Ashley we may slip but we won’t crash and burn.

          • toonsteve

            So your argument is it’s not worth £400m to anyone except Ashley due to his unique position, It’s market value is therefore not £400m and its thus not really for sale if he will not countenance a sensible offer below that price. That value is largely based on the value he places on the advertising he receives for free (and thus extracts from the club on an annual basis)

            That creates value for Ashley (and other SD shareholders) but not for fans. Therefore they have every right to protest at his ownership as there is very little value in the arrangement for them (other than watching a team attempt to survive in the premiership whilst the owner extracts value in the form of free advertising) Not sure why you would advocate they support such a regime?

          • ghostrider

            Fans can either support it or not. It’s their choice.
            If you’re going to support the club with Ashley at the helm then do so and do it because you want to. Don’t moan about it if that’s your stance.

            If you don’t want to give him a penny in any way whilst he’s as the club then don’t do it and allow anyone else to do as they please whilst you go and do something much better with your time, if that’s how you feel, until he goes.

            As for the market value of the club. There isn’t one. It’s what an owner prices it at that counts.
            If nobody pays the price then he stays.
            It’s up to buyers to pay….or not.

            Ashley runs a steady ship whether people accept it or not.
            Any buyer buys the club at the agreed price and continue from that point owning a debt free club that requires tweaking as time goes on.
            That’s it.
            Oh…and also with the backing (at first) of over 52,000 paying fans and then some.

          • toonsteve

            Ashley claimed that he was actively trying to sell the club last year. Are you purporting that this was the case if he was not willing to accept a market value? That’s the equivalent of me telling the Mrs I’m trying to sell my car, then advertising it at double the market price and then failing to sell it. She wouldn’t swallow that (ha ha), and the fans shouldn’t accept it from Ashley and his PR machine. The reality is the proposed forsale message was and is a smokescreen. He has no intention of selling NUFC unless someone offers him above market rate. That’s his choice but don’t expect the fans to not moan when they have an owner who’s ripping them off by not paying market rate for SD advertising.

          • ghostrider

            You’re not getting ripped off. If you think you are then you’re doing it to yourself…not Ashley.
            We finished 10 last season. Does that mean every club under us are ripping off their fans?
            Or are we just lucky to have finished 10th….or is it because of Rafa who is being paid a fortune?

            As for the club only being worth half of what Ashley wants. Seriously?
            Whether he wants to sell or not, it’s his decision and I’d rather he stays, because it’s potentially way better the devil you know, scenario.

            If people want to moan about the club…do it…but leave others who don’t want to spend their time moaning, to enjoy their leisure time being a fan and supporter of it.

            Go to the local civic centre and make banners bemoaning your council tax, etc, because you’re not given a choice on that.
            With Newcastle United, you have a choice not to take part and pay.

            It’s no good anyone who moans about it all to say ” ohhh but I bleed black and white” or ” I was brought up as a fan, I can’t just stop” or ” I deserve a club that fits what I want” or any type of argument, because if that’s the case then just get on with being that fan and supporter and stop worrying about what Mike Ashley is doing…or Charnley and getting wound up because the players that come in do not fit your wants…or feeling a loyal closeness to a manager who simply plays you like a fiddle to get his own way and massage his own ego to ensure anything he does will never become his fault.

          • toonsteve

            Thank you for your response.

            Having read a number of people accusing you of being a troll (whatever form that takes) I wanted to give you some leeway and hence my engagement with you ( I rarely post on this site). I have a number of points to make about your last post.

            If you read my posts above I refer to the fans in the third person. ie “they have a right to protest”, “the fans not to moan” “ripping them off”

            Your last post refers to me in the 2nd person. “You’re not getting ripped off”

            Your use of the second person pronoun to refer to me, who you have assumed is a fan, implies that you are not a fan. ie You the fans, and me, not a fan.

            Can you please clarify whether you are a fan or not?

            If not why are you here?

            If you are a fan, why would you respond to a poster referring to the fans in the 3rd person, using the 2nd person. A more appropriate pronoun would be “we”. ie “We are not getting ripped off”

            Based on the grammar and accuracy in your typing, and your use of the 2nd person pronoun referring to “the fans” I would infer that you are employed in a professional capacity to post on this and perhaps other forums.

            If that is the case I would suggest that you don’t make the fairly basic error I have just exposed – otherwise you may not last too long in your chosen profession.

            Ps. If Mike wants to debate with me regarding company valuations, I’m more than happy to meet him. I have significant experience in the corporate finance field.

          • ghostrider

            Feel free to decide anything you want to out of your post. I’m more than happy to accept anything you feel you think I am or refer to you as.
            As an end to this post, I’ll just let you know that I am a Newcastle United fan for the life of me or the life of the club.
            You are free to accept it or not. Either way does not change my stance.

          • toonsteve

            If you re a true fan you ll be prepared to have a balanced view, so as an experiment let us reverse roles. You post something negative about Ashley and i ll post something positive.

          • ghostrider

            He spat his dummy out and allowed the name of the ground to be changed. that was a dig at the fans who made his life a misery but a dig at those who actually didn’t as well, so he was a bar steward for that among many things.

          • toonsteve

            I agree with his decision not to appoint Shearer after relegation. He wanted to be paid a fortune and was totally unproven as a manager.

          • Ben Jones

            I couldn’t agree more

        • TheFatController

          Agreed. I feel the same way about billionaires allowed to buy football clubs that are none of their business in any way shape or form but to the FA money talks sadly

          • ghostrider

            The cities/towns should own their own football club, like a council tax and payments by the entire city/town based on what they want the football club to achieve or attempt to, which will reflect in the annual fan payments for that attempt.

            At least that way everyone is responsible and everyone knows where the money is going and it keeps away any attempts by unscrupulous owners or hobbyists/bored Sheikh’s/oil multi billionaires from controlling it.

            Not only would the people be able to set their own seat pricing but also be in control of all pricing from sponsors to adverts, to transfer fees and wages, plus the backing of a manager of their own choice, whilst all feeling they are a massive part of the club.

            In an ideal world.
            Unfortunately we never will live in one and that’s why there are elite clubs allowed to do what they want and then there’s the rest….including ourselves.

            Ashley knows that, no matter how much he nurtures his greyhound, it will never catch the hare.

      • Hughie_Gallacher

        If Lascelles is sold, that should take the net profit this transfer window over the £50 million mark. Just the right amount.

    • Billmag

      Paul he simply can’t play the we can’t compete card anymore because nobody believe’s a word he says, that’s when journos and pundits need to take him to task. He’s already tried the blackmail card with Rafa hoping to split the fan’s, he obviously doesn’t want Rafa here the man is poison chalice to this great club and for the life of me I can’t understand why there hasn’t been a concerted investigation by the press into his activities of his running of a football club.

      • Toontaff

        That’s what I don’t get. Sky, national and local press seem to be afraid to ask pertinent questions.

        • mentalman

          they get banned and we fill a lot of column space

  • JonMag

    Let`s hope the Grim Reaper pays the Fat C nut a visit sooner rather than later

  • Leicester Mag

    Like so many other articles it lays out the stark reality, the facts are staring us in the face. It is deliberate mendacious vandalism done because it can be done. Even by previous standards this has reached a new nadir. In some ways he’s a more pathetic troll than the bedroom warriors we have on this site.

    • Toontaff

      There are some who will never forgive or accept him.
      There are some who just ignore him.
      I’ve never met anyone in real life who supports him!
      It’s been too easy to divide the fanbase by highlighting the extremes.
      There are some of us in the middle, wanting to watch our team, support them, especially a manager and players who care, whilst trying to ignore all the other shenanigans.
      The increased ticket prices, the ridiculous statements from Ashley and co, along with the clear reality, this summer’s lack of realistic transfer activity, show that there is no ambition to even try to improve our club.

  • 501ninedarter

    Instead of the constant whinging and massaging of egos why doesn’t the Mag try and find a new buyer. Moaning isn’t going to get Ashley to leave, fans singing Ashley out songs isn’t going to get him to leave, lets find a new buyer instead.
    Pointless trying to get Ashley out by slagging him off, writing on internet forums, writing him letters, boycotting sports direct lets do something different.
    BTW the Mag and all its writers, Ashley will not sanction any spend until Rafa signs a new contract, Rafa won’t sign a new contract until he sees signs of investment. Money is available just won’t be released to Rafa, so most of your articles are pointless until the stand off is sorted or rafa leaves or the best option a new buyer comes into the club

    • MP01

      £100m over 3 seasons is a complete detraction from the “every penny the club generates” statement especially given the amount of guaranteed TV money flowing into the club during the coming seasons. This equates to is £16.67(ish) million per window which lets face it, in today’s transfer market doesn’t stretch too far. Why would Rafa sign up to this when his counterparts at West Ham, Bournmouth, Brighton, etc. are getting a larger backing?

      There is nothing pointless about fans voicing their views in a forum – that is basically what a forum is. What is pointless is taking Ashley at his word because, put bluntly he simply can’t be trusted.

      • Leazes.

        That’s the same troll mate!

        • Wezza

          And has the same IP address as ghost rider too. What are the odds.

        • MP01

          They actually give me amusement!

  • Mike

    wonder wot the i love ashley lot are saying now. The guy is not fit to run this club and we need everyone to avoid his tatt shops and be vocal to get him out. we have a world class manager wasted at the town.

    • ghostrider

      11 years says he is fit to run this club.

      • JonMag

        Cretin

        • Leazes.

          Block it….. its the troll.

          • Superdooperhooper

            Ghostrider has posted 26 times on this thread alone today and some of them are longer than war and peace! WTF ?

      • Mike

        ? good god results speak volumes

        • ghostrider

          Results as in what?

      • TheFatController

        At £140m debt and a poor PL squad, customers walking away and so on and so forth I wouldn’t say that in a court of law without expecting a good barrister to destroy your credibility.

        • ghostrider

          What debt?

  • Toon

    Empty words from Martin again, a fan who whines about everything but is deep in Ashley’s pockets I feel embarrassed for him. Why not grow some and stand up for the club, writing these sad little articles while travelling home and away in your Wonga replica top is pointless and means nothing

  • ghostrider

    There’s a major issue at this club that anyone can see and it’s not just down to Ashley refusing to play ball. It’s down to unrealistic demands by the fans and by Rafa.

    Ashley is no angel. We all know that….but he’s also not stupid and fans clearly know how he operates.

    The issues start by Rafa refusing to sign an extended contract. Rafa can cite lack of ambition that does not match his, or whatever. That’s fine.
    What he should do is negotiate a walk away with Ashley where no money changes hands, rather than staying just because he does not want to lose a year of his contract money.
    Then let us get in a manager who is willing to play ball.

    However, seeing that he seems to be playing a battle of wills with an owner whose will is as strong or stronger… and it seems neither will budge unless a fair ending can come, it’s not surprising that we are not going to spend on all of Rafa’s targets and we will largely use loans.

    As bad as it seems, it’s pointless letting a manager buy in his own players if his intentions are to see out his contract and leave.

    It’s easy to say ” well allow him to get his targets.”
    I’d agree if his targets are realistic with realistic wages to match.

    I don’t know the ins and outs of any of the behind the scenes dealings with Rafa and Ashley-Charnley and co… and to be fair, neither do the tabloids/media.

    Only those mentioned will know what’s really going on.
    All we can do is assume/speculate as I am doing from Ashley’s side of things just as many will do from Rafa’s side.

    The biggest issue for the club this season won’t be Rafa’s and Ashley’s loggerhead battle…it’ll be the fans that set the destruction into motion.
    The banner crew and the following baying mobs who will literally bully the match goers (who are just wanting to watch the team/squad on that pitch) into being part of it and gaining enough traction to ruin a season then blame Ashley for it whilst Rafa walks away without a scratch.

    Ashley’s always the easy option for the bile and hatred and fair enough if that’s the will of some.
    However, I just hope this club does not get destroyed because certain fans believe they can run it better as if it was just some FIFA type manager game where you buy and sell but don’t really lose anything, no matter what the transfer fee or wage offer.

    People go on about how Fulham are competing or Brighton and such like…but what have they bought that we haven’t?

    Forget the big fees and wages…look at the potential of all signings against ours and someone tell me how they know one can stump the other?

    The biggest killer to our new signings and the players we have…is….like I said….the fans.
    The fans are going to ruin the season if they’re allowed to go ahead with another massive protest.

    Oh and trust me, there’s no need for anyone to answer this and argue against me. I’m not in it for that. Just read it and ask your own questions of yourself if you’re one of those that feels a movement will benefit the club or the season ahead.

    Then ask yourself what type of players should we be buying and at what price to appease you.

    • Toontaff

      Easy : A striker who can score 15 goals per season, minimum.

      • ghostrider

        We had one and threw him onto the scrap pile until Fulham rescued him.

      • Toontaff

        Even allowing for none of Sky’s millions or Ashley’s cash, he said Rafa could have every penny generated, then said sell to buy – we’ve sold players for at least 150 million, bought players for around 100 million, during Rafa’s stint as manger.
        If Ashley runs the club properly on Sky money, ticket sales, advertising etc to run the club, then he’s not a very good owner. He’s made about 50 million transfers, in 2 years. That’s enough for a striker, a left back and a centre half, say 25 + 8 +10, leaving 7 for his gregg’s account.

    • Milo79

      By your logic, isn’t it pointless allowing players such as Mitrovic and Mbemba to leave who the next manager might be able to work with?

      • ghostrider

        No it’s not. All that would do is stifle the players and not only keep a high wage bill for no return…again…for the season and also reduce any future transfer fee by lack of game time and also running down of another contractual year.

        So, no.

        • Milo79

          It would stifle the players to keep them at the club and tell them they have a future here? Rather a strange assessment if you don’t mind me saying.

          • ghostrider

            I thin k Mitro and Mbemba clearly knew they didn’t have a future under Rafa.

          • Milo79

            Right, so Rafa gets to decide who leaves but can’t be trusted with an adequate budget for players coming in. Funny that. Oh, look, we’re £35m in the black this summer.

          • ghostrider

            I don’t think Rafa is calling the shots on who goes.
            Rafa clearly won’t play those players and the club know this, as well as the fans.
            The club is not going to keep players who are not going to represent the club and add to them whilst adding massively to a wage bill and lessening a club kitty.

            People need to understand that Rafa is a manager of players, not a manager of a club in all its glory.
            He’s an employee paid mammoth wages to create a workable squad and a competitive team by how the club funds and hierarchy dictates.

            He took the job so he’s under no illusions about what his task was.

          • Milo79

            He took a job at a club which has been proven in court to have deceived previous managers.

          • ghostrider

            Deceived previous managers as in how?

            Money for players or buying in players?

            If that’s what you mean then welcome to the football leagues because all clubs do it but many are not highlighted like our club is, because not many clubs fans feel the need to go on hate frenzies at every turn.

          • Milo79

            You may recall the club being ordered to pay £2m in damages to Kevin Keegan for breach of contract. Or Alan Shearer being told he had the manager’s job, and then being simply ignored all summer until he got the message.

          • ghostrider

            Alan Shearer was out of his depth. I love the bloke but he wasn’t manager material and he’s proving it by taking the safe option as a match of the day analyst.
            Ashley called it correct, as much as it pains me to say against Shearer.

            As for Keegan. Yeah he got paid his wages for constructive dismissal. Fair enough. He didn’t get what he wanted or was put into positions he didn’t expect…fair enough. He got paid his wages.

            But that wasn’t the whole scenario, was it?
            He tried to sue the CLUB for big money for all kinds of reasoning and the judge threw it all out and gave him his wages.
            So effectively he won in one sense but lost in another…and fans need to be thankful he did lose, because his dummy spitting could have cost the club dearly in terms of real backward falling, rather than what some fans think of it as it was and supposedly is…even though we are still in the premier league regardless..

          • Milo79

            What you fail to mention is the absolutely shameful way that Shearer was strung along by Ashley, who didn’t have the backbone or the decency to tell the club’s greater ever player that he wasn’t considered the right man for the job.

            The court found in Keegan’s favour. Ashley apologised and paid the price. I don’t know where you get the gall to continue to try and blame the man for how his second spell turned out.

            Two giants of our club and you side with the man who showed them nothing but contempt.

          • ghostrider

            I’m not siding with Ashley, I’m putting Ashley’s side forward…something that very few are willing to do.
            I’m not allowing it all to be one way traffic just because.

            The court found in Keegans favour for wages owed due to constructive dismissal in which they backed him.
            They did not back him for the rest of what he tried to take the CLUB for. Notice I said CLUB and not Ashley…..because that’s what Keegan tried to do. Take the CLUB to the cleaners as it was a CLUB dealing by the owner and employees of the CLUB…..Not Ashley in person as a businessman.

            So basically speaking, Keegan was happy to wallop the club and the fans who would have had to take the hit for his pocket filling dummy spitting.
            Luckily the court called no joy for him.

            As for Shearer. I’m not clear on what the truth is behind why he wasn’t taken on as in, what he was supposedly promised.
            Only time will tell if the reality comes from any of it.
            However, the simple fact is, Shearer was way out of his depth and couldn’t man manage the players, except to go in with the hard attitude which immediately alienated him, it appears.

            The problem is, it’s the same scenario of a local hero who will not be touted as wrong or deemed as unsuitable to take on a club like Newcastle United.
            He’d never even took his coaching badges.

            I have full respect for Shearer and I would have loved him as manager at the time.
            With the benefit of hindsight….maybe I’m glad he didn’t go further, because he gave us a long stint as a player and became a legend, but sometimes that can be tarnished a little if he failed by taking on a full term role…and just like Beardsley who has gone down a few pegs with certain fans, I’d hate to see legends looked upon like that.

            But like I said before. He’s a pundit for a reason and not a manager.

          • Milo79

            I think could convince yourself of almost anything, so long as it whitewashes Mike Ashley’s time as owner of this beleaguered football club.

            I think I’ll do as advised by others and ignore the troll from now on.

          • ghostrider

            Hopefully you’ve done as advised. If not, please refrain from replying.

          • TheFatController

            The hierarchy admitted they constantly and deliberately misled the suooorters and employees.

            Only in football retail and entertainment business and no other could a brand survive that reputation damage and not become a Ratners

          • ghostrider

            Misled as in how?

          • TheFatController

            Ah, now I know what a manager’s job description is.

            You’re a source of amazing insight and clarification – every right therefore to talk patronisingly like you’re a genius.

          • TheFatController

            Sherlock Holmes in the house?

          • Leazes.

            That’s not a United fan its a Troll….. we’re having a concerted effort not to feed it, and his other incarnations. There’s nothing wrong with debate but don’t try to fathom out the mind of someone whose sole purpose is to try to annoy fans.

            The troll only exists to make people feel bad….. we really need shot of him, and feeding him doesn’t help.

            I’m asking the Mag owner Mark Jensen if he would do something about it.

          • Wezza

            Hear hear!

      • mentalman

        We don’t know whats going on behind closed doors with rafa’s contract as we all know both MA and Rafa seem to be as stubborn as the other but if it looks like rafa is going at the end of his contract the likes of Mbemba and Mitro should have been loaned out for a year and then let the new manager make the decision

    • TheFatController

      But I just don’t trust you goatrider, since you’ve asked us to in that piece.

      Sorry.

      • ghostrider

        No problem.

  • Westdentoon

    I just don’t get the theory about funds not being released until Rafa signs a new contract. NUFC is the owners investment and it would be financial suicide to run the club into the ground & risk relegation just because the current manager, whoever that may be, is in the last year of his contract. It’s a senseless theory conveniently used by Ashley apologists to cover up failings at top level.
    Ashley should think ‘hey I risk loosing the best manager I’ve had in a years time, let’s use what time we have left and use his knowledge to put the club on the best footing possible before he goes’.
    But no, let’s give him nuts, risk relegation, alienate the fans yet further and loose out on potentialy making the club a force again.
    Madness.

    • FatParosite

      Ashley has no qualms about extracting someone who does not ‘get with the programme’ Ashley may have lost the opportunity to do that amicably after the Spain manager punt. However I suppose he is waiting on the first raft of management sackings to get Rafa out & get money to boot.

  • FatParosite

    There are no excuses for bemoaning Ashley’s vandalism yet still paying him to continue to occupy. There are also no excuses for the Comical and their support of the regime while only occasionally denigrating their supplier.

    ‘No disrespect but I have no interest whatsoever in hearing Joselu, Atsu, Manquillo, Murphy, and others, telling us how this time it will be so much better, and how well pre-season has been going.’ – These puff pieces have been going on for years for ‘Joselu, Atsu, Manquillo, Murphy,’ read De Jong, Vuckic, Abeid, or the perennial stalwart Taylor being wheeled out to stir ‘Geordie pride’ They are shamelessly disgusting.

    When Ashley goes and he will go the Comical supposed sports journalists need to be driven out and paraded as collaborators.

  • Ba ba.

    I’m a bit bored tbh now… We knew nothing would change so its not really news is it.

  • Toontaff

    Sky are now confirming the deal for Rondon has stalled, mentioning Gayle’s move the other way as the cause.

  • mentalman

    perhaps the need to use longstaff and others is a good thing in making rafa use the youngsters instead of always over looking them.

    It may just me trying to see the good in people but i wonder if things would have been different in the transfer market if we didn’t have a squad full of deadwood and players rafa won’t use.

    • Billmag

      He’s trying to make a team that will survive, the deadwood you mention is down to the owners policies not Rafa’s.

      • mentalman

        i think rafa picked a few of them

        • Billmag

          Im not disputing that instead of having a vieled dig at Rafa why don’t you turn your vitrol on the owner.

          • Toontaff

            Rafa bought Lazaar – 3 million.
            He did not buy Saivet, Sterry or Aarons.
            The 4 on the deadwood pile making our squad 25.

          • Billmag

            What I can’t get over is certain poster’s just can’t or won’t see that Rafa was put in an awful situation by Ashley, do some think Rafa really wanted Joselu the man has dealt with some great player’s in his career and what this owner has reduced him to deal with is scandalous.

          • Ben Jones

            No mate we already know, a rafa signing gone good is rafa genius and a rafa signing gone bad was foisted on him as 5th choice

          • Milo79

            His good signings massively outweigh the bad ones. Almost all of the team that finished tenth last season were recruited for the Championship by Rafa and then defied the odds by staying up very comfortably and by beating Man Utd, Arsenal, Leicester and Chelsea along the way.

          • Toontaff

            I didn’t even put The Hoss on the deadwood pile- he’s better than that!

          • mentalman

            its not a veiled dig at rafa he’s made mistakes with his recruitment and has been dealt a bad hand with some players who were already at the club

        • Milo79

          Jacob Murphy was arguably a poor use of our limited funds last summer, but is a good squad player who will continue to improve. Lazaar is an enigma. Apart from that, where has Rafa gone badly wrong on recruitment?

          • mentalman

            Sels
            Manquillo
            Hanley
            Lazaar

          • Milo79

            So 4 players out of 20 Rafa signings have flopped. Any more?

          • mentalman

            There’s plenty players in our squad who don’t cut the mustard

          • Milo79

            Anyone in particular? And remember we’re talking about ‘deadwood’.

          • Ben Jones

            So we’ve a squad of 16 top class signings made by rafa to go with Shelvey,Lascelles,perez etc plus new signings, why are people worried?

          • Milo79

            There’s an enormous difference between ‘top class’ and not good enough for the Premier League, wouldn’t you agree. This conversation is about the latter.

          • mentalman

            here was me thinking we had moved on to players who don’t cut the mustard

          • Milo79

            FFS. Are you for real?

          • Wezza

            Mentalman is another troll alias!

          • TheFatController

            Hello? We’re run appallingly in comparison to all PL clubs and lost championship sides and you have time to focus on those signings?

            I’m glad you don’t work for my company. You’re eye for the big issue isn’t quite as keen as I’d like it to be.

    • TheFatController

      I see what you did there .

  • Hughie

    As expected with this incompetent club they sell their centre forward and then the alleged replacement purchase runs into problems. They have had all summer to sort this out and as usual have cocked it up. They knew Mitro was leaving months ago and was in high demand, and that it would only be a matter of negotiating the odd million. Why then did they not smooth the path of his replacement in advance? If the Gayle swap was a last minute idea and he is not keen, why wasn’t that known in advance?. This once again lays bare the attitude of the club hierearchy that short term profit eclipses long term planning, and the team comes second. Whoever is responsible for this- the MD?- is again demonstrating that they arehopelessly inadequate. The other explanation is once Muto signed ( I half expect the work permit application to be rejected) they had no intention of signing another striker and the Mitro and other ttansger profit will go towards repayment of Ashley’s loan

  • Arty Hume

    It all boils down to how long the fans will put up with this nonsense! Its gone on far too long K.K told us how this would go years ago, but nothing changed. Talk about management having no ambition, neither have the fans IMHO for allowing this charade to continue!

  • Megatron1505

    Blank spaces are music to my eyes, hopefully others will begin to learn not to feed the trolls.

    • Ben Jones

      Yes. Listen to this powerhouse of intellect who’s so fragile he needs to block opposing opinions, be like Megatron guys and give me free reign over your comments

    • Milo79

      I’ve learned my lesson this very morning. Place is swarming with them.

  • Mirandinha9

    Cashley has been worse that the most traumatic nightmare – one which sadly has lasted 4,000 nights. When you review all of his misdemeanours, he wil understandably go down in Geordie folklore as argubaly, the most disliked man in Tyneside’s history:

    – Treating Keegan, Shearer, Hughton, Gutierrez et al with such disdain
    – Presiding over a club who has endured 6 successive derby defeats, constant early cup exits and 2 relegations, with a mantra that finishing 17th in the Premiership is a delight
    – Reducing this club to a laughing stock, a marked contrast to being everyone’s second favourite team in the mid-90s
    – Evdeavouring to p off the fans with every move he makes (moving fans out of their seats, charging inflated prices for shirts, changing the name of SJP, employing Wonga as shirt sponsors etc)
    – Constantly lying, proved in Keegan’s court case and using TV interviews to say he has no say in Toon operations.

    He quite simply hates the Toon fans, but, outpouring against him came from his initial actions. He had many chances to be liked as an owner and failed every time.

    • Dave Pattinson

      Stay away, don’t lend your tkts to anyone, don’t shop at Sho!te Direct…..
      are we stuck this git forever?