With all the talk surrounding Newcastle United, one key question is maybe this one…

Which clubs should fans be expecting Newcastle to compete with, particularly when it comes to the transfer market?

Idiots and our enemies want to portray Newcastle fans as expecting to compete at the moment with the likes of Man City and Liverpool when signing players.

I don’t know any NUFC supporter who thinks like that.

Two other clubs though, are surely the perfect ones to compare and contrast Newcastle United with.

Huddersfield and Brighton were promoted alongside Rafa’s team 15 months ago, so it is interesting to look at what this trio have been up to and the relevant finances.

The first thing to look at is the performance in the transfer market since promotion (figures from Transfermarkt and Sporting Intelligence).

Newcastle United

2017/18: Net spend +£20m (£39m spent and £17m from players sold)

2017/18: Net spend -£22.7m (£23m spent and £45.7m from players sold)

Newcastle estimated total net spend/profit since promotion is £0.7m net profit

Huddersfield

2017/18: Net spend +£46m (£51m spent and £5m from players sold)

2017/18: Net spend +£29.3m (£42.9m spent and £13.6m from players sold)

Huddersfield estimated total net spend/profit since promotion is £75.3m net spend

Brighton

2017/18: Net spend +£59m (£59m spent and £0m from players sold)

2017/18: Net spend +£59.9m (£67.4m spent and £7.5m from players sold)

Brighton estimated total net spend/profit since promotion is £118.9m net spend

Then I would ask you to look at  the 2017/18 Premier League Prize Money table compiled by Sporting Intelligence in May 2018:

premier league prize money

As you can see, the respective amounts earned by the three clubs last season, from the Premier League/TV only, are:

£123m Newcastle United

£102m Huddersfield

£107m Brighton

Then finally:

Kevin Maguire lectures in football finance at Liverpool University and also has his own Price Of Football website, did a comparison of all 24 clubs who were in the Championship in 2016/17 when it came to Matchday Revenue:

newcastle united matchday revenue

The relevant figures on this occasion:

£23.4m Newcastle United

£3.2m Huddersfield

£10.7m Brighton

Now these are the latest figures we have, as Newcastle United’s 2017/18 accounts won’t be available until April 2019, May 2019, or whenever Mike Ashley decides to wait until releasing them.

However, for 2017/18, whilst both Brighton and Huddersfield will have improved  their matchday revenue in the Premier League, they still won’t be anywhere near Newcastle’s.

At a guesstimate, I think we could put last season’s figures for matchday revenue as around £25m Newcastle, £7m Huddersfield and £14m Brighton, this being maybe on the generous side for Brighton and Huddersfield.

You can also take for granted that Newcastle United’s commercial revenue will also be far higher than the other two as well, despite everything Mike Ashley does to keep it down.

So pulling it all together:

Newcastle United pulled in around £148m from TV (£123m) and matchday (£25m) alone, then in the transfer market they have made a net profit of £0.7m since promotion.

Huddersfield have made around £109m from TV (£102m) and matchday (£7m) alone, then in the transfer market they have a net spend of £75.3m since promotion.

Brighton have made around £121m from TV (£107m) and matchday (£14m) alone, then in the transfer market they have a net spend of £118.9m since promotion.

It is always a problem when accounts figures aren’t available for the season just ended, but it beggars belief that anybody can look at the respective figures above for the three clubs, and not feel that there is something very wrong at Newcastle United.

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  • Angelswithdirtyfaces

    Its not as if Toon fans are asking for a shedful of marquee signings at £30m +. If we had only bought Kenedy and AN Other striker/no10 for a net spend of say up to 15m on transfer deals that’s be progress. – However inventive Rafa is in scouting players we’re still down at LB and vulnerable to injuries elsewhere too.

    • ghostrider

      So what are they asking for then?
      Are they just asking the the club spends everything it earns with no profit margin or better still spend more than what it brings in?

      Who are we trying to keep up with or who do we have to keep up with for fans to be happy?

      Last season we were a championship club playing in the premier league and couldn’t compete with anyone in that league.
      We finished 10th.

      This season, what are we?
      We still have the championship team that we were told we had but added 5 players plus loaned a season Kenedy instead of half season and bought Dubravka permanent from half season.

      Yet we are classed as not improving because Brighton and Huddersfield and such are apparently blowing us out of the water with massive net spends and they are deemed to be sensible clubs just going for it…but nobody knows what the hell they are going for.

      My guess is going for it to stay up, unless others have the idea that they’re going for a champions league place….or is it Europa….or just sights set on closing in on mid-table with their big net spends that totally outweigh their in house club reality.

      It’s not Newcastle United that’s the silly club here,

      • Ram Kishore

        I just dont quite understand few people here.. i am again saying I’m not defending Ashley or supporting Ashley.. most fans think that we are making lot of revenue
        or our turnover is so big and saying Ashley is pocketing it.. He’s made lot of gambles and mistakes on many issues at the club. But now after Rafa’s tenure we are much better .. imo Lee charnley is doing ok but could do better as the summer chaos could be avoided. Ashley hasnt reduced the debt a lot i can understand the various issues in running a big club.
        Its time fans start owning the fact they want a sugar daddy.
        My question to many why would he take it out from his own investment and make it worse.

        • Ben Jones

          Couldn’t agree more Ram

        • ghostrider

          A fair few fans want every other clubs owners until those owners empty their own coffers and send their clubs into spiralling debt.
          And you’re right, some do want a sugar daddy owner but to admit that would render any argument they have as nonsensical.

          If I can support and be a total fan of Newcastle United all my life through the good, bad and indifferent times, in worse cases than Ashley by far, then so can anyone.

          The major problem lies in the way today’s fans have been coaxed into today’s massive money merry-go-round and even older supperter have bought right into it.
          The problem is brings is there for all to see but many are too blinkered to actually see the end result of clubs trying to spend ahead of time without thinking of tomorrow, kind of thing.

          What a lot of fans also don’t get is, the debt is in house. The debt is owed to Ashley and Ashley owns the club…so technically it is a debt but it is only a debt in terms of interest free personal to himself as and when he calls it in.

          If he does not call it in until we can afford to do so, then it’s of no consequence to the club.
          If he decides to call it in if he sells the club then it will be in the price of the club.
          So basically speaking, if he wants 400 million for the club then 140 million of it is also in with that price any buyer gets the club debt free…not as debt ridden which is what Ashley walked into.

          • Ben Jones

            Quite. The club had debt and interest payments prior to him, since him we have had no interest payments eating into our income, he paid ~270m for this, that’s all that is important now, whether the club actually has debt depends on the new owner and if they have the money to buy the club outright or not, if they can not and have to finance part of the purchase then yes, the club has debt and interest payments, until then, with ashley we do not

        • Hughie_Gallacher

          No, we do not want a ‘sugar daddy’; merely an owner who doesn’t constantly renege on his promises to spend what the club earns, and not to regard the club as a shop window for his dreadful brand of sport wear.

          • Ram Kishore

            I am not saying that all fans want a sugar daddy pal..
            I have always said Ashley is incompetent in football business and he doesn’t have a clue.. what I mean is the club doesn’t make a turnover to spend big money.
            I am just saying many demand big money signings to excite us but we can’t make those kind ..We can make one or two for every few years..
            Rafa was right to demand for his targets to be brought and all the chaos could have been avoided..But I also see something we sold only the players we didn’t want or Rafa didnt.
            All i was saying here there is no way Ashley can pocket money ..
            If he wants to brand his sports direct globally he can always go for advertisement in many ways.. He could always go for other PL clubs shirt sponsor or stadium add like Bet 365 why does he have to put in 250m to get bad publicity which only hurts him..
            I was very surprised that we didn’t get players early and didn’t bring in CAM and LB with lot more quality especially we still had 20+ on transfer income.

            Yes he’s reneged on promises criticise him for that, i do that and i criticise that the club doesn’t have a long term plan..
            The club doesn’t have one bcuz he wants to leave ..We will get him out only when the deal satisfies him. Simple.

        • TheFatController

          Im blocking you, you’ve given up even trying not to sound trolly .

          so I’m trolly dashing to the block button now …

          • Ram Kishore

            Look man… Ik I’m not a troll and I’m not troll who’s trying to behave as a normal person.
            I do know the difference between who’s a troll and who’s not..
            If u want know whether i am a troll or not.. Just go and check BBC comments pages HYS.. u.may come across troll like Darren from Devon saying himself as a Manchester supporter..u can contact my number and i am from India and i live in chennai .
            All u have to do is ask?

            I do have my opinions and u can’t dictate my opinions… Do u want me to support the Leazes crew .. and act like a pack with u guys.
            Do u want me to keeping saying Ashleyout, Ashely out?
            No i don’t think so. I hope Ashley leaves but I do have to be realistic in our progress which can happen through slow annual improvement..
            I have criticised wherever the club has made mistakes and i will but there are things for which I won’t.. i won’t line up and keep moaning at our bad summer even after the window has ended….
            Ashley may not the owner but obviously he ain’t the worse.
            He’s incompetent and made lot of mistakes but I can’t see him taking money out of the club..

            My views here maynot be coherent but I hope u can understand because I juSt got up now.
            U r second person to tell me u r gonna block me. First was Leazes..
            If u want me blocked just block on and move why do u have to keep saying that when u don’t have to say that ..
            Are u expecting a reply, like an appeal to reconsider.
            Come on man..

    • Mark Potter

      But Kenedy still wasn’t for sale. Especially when Chelsea had no manager in charge for most of the summer to make any decisions about which players to keep, loan or sell.

      And we clearly have bought a new number 10 to challenge Perez – Muto. He looked bright and quick, and willing to work the channels, in his brief appearance yesterday. Once Shelvey gets the measure of the runs that Rondon and Muto make, then we should reap the benefits.

      • Ram Kishore

        We haven’t seen a lot of play by Muto.. we felt the same about Slimani few months back after his substitute appearance.. let’s give it time ig

        • Mark Potter

          Of course, you are right. But he is a number 10, who can also play in other forward positions, and will provide competition for Perez. Whether he will be better than Perez remains to be seen. While we saw little from him on Saturday, his goals in the second half of last season were very important.

          For Muto to replace Perez he has to prove he has the fitness and work rate required for the Prem, as well as the pace and technical ability to be effective.

          • Ram Kishore

            He has played in that positions few times though. Not a regular like perez but he may adapt ..
            yet Rafa pointed out in the post match that he wanted a no 10 in the window.

            Shelveys corners are not good enough pal.. someone needs to start taking his corners .Erikson’s were threatening

  • Ben Jones

    Now take off the wages and running costs….

    Yup. They’re headed towards a dead end.

    The ‘we can’t compete’ line is nonsense isn’t it, we quite clearly are competing, without tapping into next seasons funds against clubs that are tapping into next seasons funds, you can’t keep spending future income, at some point it becomes tapped out, and at that point you’re left with what you have, standing at the peak loaded with debt and interest payments looking down at your destination

    • Danimal

      They (Hudds and Brighton) have spent fairly heavily against their new PL riches – so far. Presumably they are not planning such a high net spend in future years. But they’ve given themselves a good chance of staying in the league and enjoying those riches for years to come. If they do go down, they’ll have relegation clauses and will also be able to sell some players, assuming they haven’t just bought 36 year olds. With Ashley’s approach we spend the whole time “looking down at our destination”…and regularly visiting it.

      • ghostrider

        They’ve given themselves no more chance of staying in than any other team in the league.
        All they’ve done is made their wage bill more unsustainable.

    • Lofty

      I take your point, but surely that is the way of life? I recently moved house but I couldn’t afford to buy it outright. Surely we all spend based upon our future income, unless you’re incredibly rich or fortunate?

      • TheFatController

        Don’t let him anywhere near finance talk – he’s confident he’s right yet in all honesty he’s not got a clue on business finance, from what I’ve seen him post.

        But he has to be smartest so you end up being bombarded with infant school level accounting.

        It gets to virtually ‘If Ben Jones has three fish and he sells one , how many crabs should be left?’ Painful. Block him.

        • Ben Jones

          Ouch. Bruised ego?

      • Ben Jones

        I know what you’re saying but your example doesn’t really fit unless your house(nufc) was the source of your income(job)

      • Mark Potter

        Isn’t that his point? Mr Huddersfield could get a new well paid job and decide to move into a better house, as long as the new mortgage payments don’t exceed his ability to pay them. Mr Huddersfield has “spent” alot of money on his new house. His colleague, Mr Newcastle already owned an expensive house, with high mortgage payments. He can’t possibly afford to move to another (bigger) house and “spend” (on paper) as much as Mr Huddersfield. He spent the money years ago, and now must continue to pay the mortgage interest, bills and cost of repairs/maintenance of his older house.

        On paper Mr Huddersfield has spent alot of money, but is only trying to catchup with Mr Newcastle, and can’t possibly continue to grow his spending indefinitely. Especially as his wife doesn’t work, and his household income is lower than Mr Newcastle’s. If he’s not careful he will have huge outgoings to pay for the new house, if he loses his job he will be crippled financially.

        However, Mr Newcastle has a problem, where his wife wants to build a new extension. It would be a lovely addition to the house, but she regularly threatens to divorce him and leave him to pay all of the bills on his own. They need marriage guidance.

  • Hughie_Gallacher

    We won’t know just how much Ashley has screwed this club until he actually leaves. At present, we only know half the story, but that is damning enough.

    • ghostrider

      Let’s hope the full story doesn’t turn out like he’s been running the club effectively but now we are heading down the toilet because he’s gone.
      Let’s hope not.

      • Danimal

        Let’s just hope he goes. ASAP.

        • ghostrider

          Aye, just as long as you don’t wish you had your nose and ears back after you potentially spite your face by cutting them off of….eh?

        • FatParosite

          Just ҒưĊΚ 0FF ghostrider you $hit eating gob$hite

          • ghostrider

            No lies there.

          • Wezza

            Don’t even acknowledge him, the Lee brothers are sick. They get off on winding people up to satisfy their sad, sex starved lives.

  • Milburn_Taylor

    2 trolls out of 5 posting, the Mag is a joke bye

  • Billmag

    As real NUFC poster’s on here keep telling the Ashley lover’s you can make accounts look great or bad depending how good the accountant is, and fatty will have the best available.

    • TheFatController

      They never look great, they just report them with spin, in fairness.

      When your debt is £144m and growing and nothing progressive is showing in the assets column, in a boom industry, they can’t be made to look good.

      • Mark Potter

        Why is the debt growing? The debt of £118m inherited when Ashley bought the club, has remained constant. It could only increase if he makes more long-term loans to the club, without intending they should be paid back, which is against league rules. And also would mean he regularly invests his personal wealth in the club, which we know he doesn’t. Or he charges interest, and we know he doesn’t.

        • TheFatController

          You mention yourself earlier that he put in money to cover relegation overheads?

          And that he would want it back.

          How is that not investing his personal wealth, other than semantics and terminology?

          It’s a loan to be paid back with PL tv money, which is what you claimed in an earlier post, yet you deny here.

          Pathetic trolling.

    • Mark Potter

      So posters who disagree with you, are not “real”? Is it the Matrix that’s just simulating these posters?

      Since you don’t even know who the club hire as their accountants, then it’s difficult to see how your opinion is rooted in reality. Since you’ve never created nor authorised company accounts, it’s difficult to see how you know whether you can make accounts look good or bad, and know how this would be done. Believing it to the case, doesn’t make it true.

      And believing you are a “real” poster doesn’t make that so. If you live in a simulation then the Mag is not real, and your posts are not real.

      • Billmag

        And you are “real”and not fictitious ya pompous get, and you obviously know that there’s nothing untoward happening at NUFC so HMRC just took Chumley in for a cup of coffee one morning.

  • Leazes.

    2007 Was the year Ashley took over….. notice the other clubs I’ve put into the equation here!

    Clubs ‘Debt’ (ours was for a Stadium Rebuild an asset that we still have)

    Figure £m

    Arsenal 416
    Aston Villa 73
    Blackburn Rovers 17
    Bolton Wanderers 52
    Chelsea 701
    Everton 39
    Fulham 197
    Liverpool 280
    Manchester City 147
    Manchester United 699
    Middlesbrough 93
    Newcastle United 106.2
    Portsmouth 57.7
    Sunderland 69.2
    Tottenham Hotspur 65
    West Ham United 36
    Wigan Athletic 66.4

    • TheFatController

      Isn’t it amazing how many things in any area of life are now not paid for up front?

      Even car sales are going down the route debt purchase.

      Ashley is an archaic barrow boy and no good for a football club because it’s a growth industry, not a minimal cost industry where you manage decline.

      He has us as the only club doing it on minimal cost/ minimal investment. Not even Villa or sunderland have gone bust and they’re the only two to really do the growth strategy badly in recent years.

      Even forest and Leeds and the like have cotoned on to it.

      Everyone bar Ashley. He’s not a good growth businessman, he’s good at managing decline, asset stripping, breaking employment rules to reduce costs, and false advertising and pricing. Respect is due to such a positive force in the economy.

      • Leazes.

        When you compare United at the time we were average…. other clubs had debt, Ashley paid off the mortgages to save paying interest…. but no other clubs went down the road of downsizing….

        It was a complete red herring which was aimed at the press!

        The argument that we were somehow different just don’t work…..its a LIE!

        We had a hostile owner who who has asset stripped the club under the noses of the press and media!

        • TheFatController

          In fairness, who can say they understand the finances of business?

          Not the press or ex players. Yet they comment on it. Would they let an accountant tell them the details of football tactics ?

          It’s sad to see these ill educated people talk finance as if they understand it. They probably never even had a mortgage or loan, let alone studied management accounting for years or ran a company and did the books.

          Yet away they go, talking finance. Arrogant and foolish.

          • Leazes.

            You don’t have to understand… just compare.

          • Mark Potter

            Of course you need to understand. You need to be able to tell when a comparison is reasonable or not. You can’t compare apples and bananas, but people constantly try to do it.

          • Mark Potter

            They “probably never even had a mortgage or loan, let alone studied management accounting for years or ran a company and did the books.”

            Putting aside why having a loan or mortgage makes you qualified to discuss accountancy, or anything else (there is not even a test of whether you understand compound interest, when taking a mortgage). You don’t have any idea about whether anyone here is in any way qualified to speak about the subject of company accounts.

          • TheFatController

            I was talking about press and ex footballers, a clue to anyone reading that post properly would be when I say ‘press and ex players’

            So why have you accused me of not knowing if anyone on here is qualified to, when I didn’t mention it in relation to anyone on here?

            Are you just hoping to lie and it go unchecked to allow you to set me up as the bad guy, ignoring my clear reference to who I referred to, to allow you to be self righteous and superior?

            What a sad man you are to need to do that for kicks.

          • Carverlier football

            For the record I’m an accountant for a large plc. So I’d like to think I have a vague idea about the numbers… Obviously that means I can’t have a valid opinion about football tactics :)

          • TheFatController

            Not a professional one, or one with the credibility of having coaching badges, no.

            So why state that like I said an accountant couldn’t know about tactics – you just wouldn’t be qualified, but may have a layman’s Experience relative to the amount of football you watch or are involved in.

            Nice try to catch me out but you’re wrong about what I inferred clearly.

          • Carverlier football

            Haha maybe I am… But it’s a bit too late for a change of career now :)

          • TheFatController

            You can be Pardew’s assistant here, next season.

            Because even Pardew must have worked Geordie John carver out by now ….

      • ghostrider

        It’s only a growth industry for the elite clubs.
        How else do you think Tottenham can afford to have a 1 billion stadium and have no issues paying for it yet still manage to play among the other elite just like Arsenal did?

        • Jarramag

          NUFC were well ahead turnover and merchandise wise in the case of Spurs before your Ashley took over us and downsized our club.You and the Ashley opologists do not support the Mags because you are either thick or trolls and nobody can be that thick to see what damage he has done over 11 yrs.

          • Ben Jones

            Incorrect. The 3 seasons up till ashley took over our turnover remained stagnant at 85m, in the same 3 years Tottenham grew from 70m to 105m, so we were standing still while they expanded 50% in 2 years, all before ashley. Also Tottenham finished 5th prior to Ashley taking over whereas we finished 5 points from relegation. You’re trying to re-write history

          • ghostrider

            There is no damage.
            The club runs well.
            However, I do agree the club is not winning the premier league or winning the champions league or winning FA cups and such like we did just before Ashley took over…..didn’t we?

            However, we did get in the champions league for a few flirts just before Ashley got in…but that’s when the club was damaged and we just never saw it.
            Why didn’t we see it?
            Because we were flirting with the champions league and trying to keep high in the league whilst borrowing to do so to buy in trophy players and trying to paper over large cracks.

            Do you remember this or do you choose to forget it and concentrate on Ashley hatred?

      • Monkseaton Magpies

        Sticking up for Sunderland you must be Jezza’s son you going to the Scunthorpe match on Saturday.

    • Ben Jones

      I bet they all wish it was the same now

      Crazy Georges

      • TheFatController

        mike Ashley’s accountant is back.

        I’m blocking him now, can’t do with a day of uneducated money drivel from him.

        He doesn’t even get close to being right on finances, yet won’t stop on the subject. Save yourselves, this may get painful.

        Blocked.

        • Ben Jones

          ^’back pocket’

          • Kenny

            Fat Mike`s blobs for when he do`s you

        • Wezza

          Just like his aliases Fleckman and Ghostrider. I can’t believe you haven’t blocked him already!

          • TheFatController

            Bobbi Fleckman is Bobby Davro, unknowingly unfunny, I thought?

          • Leazes.

            Its not what I remember from the three, there was no sense of humour discernable …. they never understood satire or black humour at all.

            … its also one of the ways you can spot new aliases….

            I have a feeling the youngest one is mentally handicapped and this is his sort of outlet hobby….the brother and dad coming on to encourage him.

            I see no reason to keep their game going and block the lot pof them…. its for the best for all concerned.

          • TheFatController

            Been jones is worrying so there is something bizarre going on yes

          • Leazes.

            I wouldn’t know I don’t give them more than 5 mins

          • Ben Jones

            Is that satire?

          • Jarramag

            One thing I know is that none of these Ashley apologists could show a breakdown of the £111 Million wage bill for the championship season because it would put 30 players on £60k a week which is a joke at this club.Ashleys creative accountants have done a fine job.At the end of this season Ashley would have received over £250 Million from tv payments alone and I cannot wait to see the fairy tale accounts for the yr just ended.Ashley trolls won’t get a reply unless they can give me the wage breakdown.

          • Ben Jones

            I believe a portion of the wage bill was money set aside that either will or will not be needed for the purpose it’s been set aside for, if it’s needed it’s there, if it’s not then happy days it goes back into spendy money, I may be wrong, I’m going off what I’ve seen Bobbi mention in the past

          • Martin Rooney

            You are forgetting that Rafa’s cut alone was £5m and he had a large coaching team, add in the £12m bonus to the payers and coachs then you’re getting close, you also had the contracts of players who were no longer of any value to NUFc as Rafa had deemed so their contracts where put into that championship years accounts i.e. two years of J Colback Acharaf etc etc

          • Wezza

            Couldn’t agree more. I worked out that even if all the new signings for the champ season were on 100k a week (which we would never sanction) and it doesn’t come close to 112M.
            Those accounts are certainly creative. Money has moved out I’m sure of that.
            However I wouldn’t invite the trolls to play as they live for winding us up. They get a thrill off it. We all know that they will not give you a straight answer to your question… because they can’t. It is as simple as that. All they would do is talk in circles, lie and say something to get is reaction. Best thing to do is block them.

          • Kenny

            couple of tossa`s, they are

          • Wezza

            Bet they’ll be furious that Liverpool are 3-0 up on West Ham and knowing Liverpool will finish ahead of Man Utd this season as well. One of them will probably harp on about West Ham spending a lot doesn’t bring success.

          • Ben Jones

            It’s just so hard wezza, i block them, and then they reply to me or i see people replying to them and I can’t help it, I need to unblock to see what they’ve said

          • Kenny

            TROLL

          • Mark Potter

            So why bother? The blocking function is intended for trolls like Kenny, not for people who express a point of view that you disagree. It’s fundamentally anti-democratic that a group of posters think it is OK that they should decide what views can or cannot be expressed on this forum.

            Not one of the regular posters you disagree with urges people to block you. They respect your right to express your opinion, even when they think you are wrong.

          • Ben Jones

            You know what, you’re right. I’m gonna give them a chance

          • TheFatController

            So a poster who told me ‘I’m with your mum tonight, wind you’re neck in’ is a virwnthat should be expressed and democratically welcomed.

            If you haven’t viewed a good cross-section of Ben Jones’ Posts you will perhaps be left open to being seen as consoning some very disrespectful, unnecessary abuse.

            It is this very abusive tone to his posts that is more likely to be the reason others suggest blocking him, and not because he posts highly respectful fair comments that bitter and twisted inferior people can’t cope with, as you seem to suggest here…

            You don’t have all the information, basically, necessary to judge the people who advocate blocking him.

          • Ben Jones

            It’s the smear campaign in full swing

            ‘Don’t listen to him he’s got six toes on one foot’

          • Milburn_Taylor

            you are both trolls & idiots for thinking you fool anybody

          • jack

            I had a 20pound bet with Bobbi fleckman on net spend , but haven’t heard from him yet .

          • Wezza

            I seem to remember Leazes and Jezza say he never paid up on older bets as well. True troll.

          • jack

            Typical. , I won’t hold my breath then lol

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Ask me you twaaat, not Wezza.

          • Martin Rooney

            Just get them too put their addresses on here for him

          • Kenny

            He lives in Newcastle, doesn’t he, so just meet and pay up

          • Martin Rooney

            your posts look like ya heids blowing a gasket kidda settle doon man ya divi

          • Kenny

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          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            I pay up, leazesL has never bet with me, he is justly a lying cee you next tues.

            Jezza welshed an a bet with me, he owes £12,500 to charity.

          • Billmag

            Probably changed to one of his many different names, asked him about his bets yesterday and true to form he started to wriggle.

          • jack

            All the trolls wriggle when they get found out lol

          • TheFatController

            The check for that amount will come from his Bobby Davro account.

          • jack

            Lol , think I’ll never see it

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Just get in touch fella, what was the bet, I’ll happily settle if genuine. I’ve made arrangements with Nott’s.

            I’m at City away, home v Brighton and then every away until Christmas. No problem to pay up if genuine.

          • jack

            I’d be happy for you to give it to cancer research Bobbi thanks

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            OK, absolutely sure? I’ll do that tomorrow when I’m back in my office.

            Well done & Do us a favour, let the trolls know i do pay my bets!!!

          • jack

            I will Bobbi , no problem

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Happily pay up mate

        • Mark Potter

          Yet you don’t have to read him. Especially when financial information makes your head hurt.

          But he has a right to express his opinions, and blocking people can’t stop that. You do understand that it just means you don’t see his comments, everyone else does. And when those comments are against you then you deny yourself a right to reply, when you don’t know what he said. The serial blockers are unable to engage in any debate. But I guess that’s how they like it, with an echo chamber of a few like-minded posters providing the confirmation bias they require.

          • TheFatController

            The mistake you’ve made is that I’m remotely concerned what someone faceless says to my faceless profile in the surreal world of the comments section on here.

            Confirmation bias would mean I hated Ashley for reasons other than his running out fkub not as a competitive entity but as a non competitive (proof? No cup runs) vehicle for his retail business. There is no bias for me to confirm my baseless prejudice. If he treated the club like a competitive entity or left the club he’d me meaningless to me, pricing I hold no grudge against him bar misuse of my football club.

            So no, no confirmation bias. Just fair appraisal of a man I don’t like the behaviour of after 11 years of seeing that behaviour. That’s quite a robust piece of research I’ve done on him, in fairness to me.

        • Carverlier football

          If you weren’t already I’d be wary of Potter too – he clearly knows bog-all about Newcastle. Transfermarkt erroneously told him Ameobi wore no 9 in 00/01 and it didn’t even strike him as a bit odd and do a bit more research before he imparted it as his own knowledge…

    • Mrkgw

      And I bet that somehow, the debt still remains according to the despicable regime.

      • Leazes.

        It was never a real debt…. the £144m figure now is though….. the two relegations that the owner caused by ‘saving on the squad’ saw to that.

        • Ben Jones

          ^’the debt wasn’t really debt because it was spent, what happens in my weird world is that you borrow 106m and then just tell people it’s not debt and it goes away’

        • Mark Potter

          Nonsense, the original debt of £118m is still with St James Holdings, which owns the shares in NUFC. It hasn’t changed at all in over 10 years. It is sitting there to be paid off when the club is sold. The football club itself owed Ashley around £20m to pay for wages while in the Championship. This wasn’t on the never-never and had to be repaid from TV money when we were back in the Premiership. The club should now be debt-free, unless they bought any players on installments.

          Since these are easily established facts, your wilful ignorance smacks of deliberate lying.

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          Real debt? Leazes’ man, you don’t do yourself any favours.

    • Monkseaton Magpies

      Clubs net debt when Ashley bought the club £147m full stop.

      • Andy Mac

        Total Bullshlt “When he did look at the books – of a club which had net debts of £70m in
        2007 – he found that it owed £27m in transfers and had taken its major
        sponsorship payments upfront rather than in instalments”.

      • Martin Rooney

        I think Andy’s closer below i believe it was £70m mortgage, £11m overdraft and £17m to other clubs for players not paid for by Hall and Shepherd, shows we were in real S***

        • Martin Rooney

          Which means he has put in another £40-£50m for player purchase and wages, it hasn’t really worked so maybe he needed to put more in maybe another £200m, but them again Man city would just offer 10% more

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          We owed £50m in unpaid transfer fees

          • Monkseaton Magpies

            When Ashley took over Current Assets £8,681 and liabilities a massive £156,882.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Yep, the balance sheet was insolvent to the tune of £16m

            That in itself isn’t unusual and can be reversed with good business but a lot of that unpaid transfer fee was due almost immediately

  • Peaky

    I wonder who’ll bump into Tom Jones,Shirley Bassey,Anthony Hopkins,Gareth Edwards,Alex Jones,Cerys Matthews,The Stereophonics AND The Manic Street Preachers in a lift all at the same time in Cardiff next weekend ???Any ideas folks……

    • TheFatController

      Thats a lot of talent to lose to suicide from taking the lift to the top and jumping off…

      Is Ben Tom and Alex’s love child?

  • molend

    I think it’s clear from the comments that we don’t really know what’s going on. And, for me, that’s the fundamental, absolutely basic problem. Why on earth can’t Ashley -himself- come out and say what’s happening and why he’s running the club the way he is? Even if he said ‘I just want to make as much money out of it as posssible”, that would be valuable to know. Yes, in a very limited sense it’s ‘his’ club. I once had 100% owenership of a small private company. But if the staff hadn’r worked hard, if the customers hadn’t been satisfied, I’d have been on me tod. Imagine a hypothetical scenario where the administrative staff at NUFC all left, if not a single person turned up for a match at St. James’. It really would be Ashley’s club then. And sarve the b^gger reet..

    • TheFatController

      We do know what’s going on – the club is run at minimal cost which means we do enough to survive but not grow.

      If the gamble fails, he loans to get us promoted, which adds to the debt, then back to minimal cost.

      Every other club increases costs with the aim of profitable growth.

      Even when relegated, they survive because it’s the right strategy, just with 19 clubs following it, 2 or 3 aren’t as good as the others, so adjust in the championship like Villa have done, who now have new investment so will be back soon of course.

      • Ben Jones

        ^’if you keep borrowing more and more money, and then borrow some more, that elusive profit will be at the end of the borrowing, which may never end’

        • Kenny

          Benny, do you spit or swallow when you blow Fat Mick.
          vermin

          • Martin Rooney

            ha ha Kenny did you picture that whilst scribbling it out, tell us did mike have a smile on his face and was Ben wearing a toon top

      • Martin Rooney

        Arhh man TFC did you not know that Villa were so up the swanny after not getting promoted in May that they had to go and get new major shareholders to put cash into the club. That they had the third set of mega rich owners in the last 10 years initially keen to spend cash with two ears in the championship means that throwing cash at it doesn’t work.

    • The BBC is FAKENEWS

      We do now know with certainty, that he is taking vast sums out of the club.

      It can not be argued otherwise.

      • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

        That’s simply not the case. He’s not taken anything out.

  • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

    Dean, have you heard of the concept of overheads? Raiding Chris Holt’s graph bin does not make a good article.

    • Kenny

      TROLL.

      • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

        Ha, the brains of the board is on fire today. Is that Micky?

    • glassjawsh-got-banned

      good luck justifying a 70 million pound difference in (soccer related) overheard over 2 seasons…

      • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

        Brighton’s wage bill was £72m behind ours in the last accounts, hudds were even further.

        • glassjawsh-got-banned

          Just making random nonsense up, as always. You do realize that comes out to over 55,000 pounds PER WEEK, PER PLAYER?

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Go and look at the accounts.

            We have a wage bill of £112m now, that includes a £20m provision, as you can see in my answer further up, I take that off but we are still £50m off. Basically we have far less to play with regard ffp and balancing the books.

  • Kenny

    what i gather is that in scummy Mike`s account`s, £123m = 1 penny

  • Monkseaton Magpies

    With all due respect Dean our wage bill was at least two and a half theirs. We had a massive squad so the article does not take into account outgoings.

    • Damon Horner

      Highly unlikely this was the case last season. We’ll find out when the accounts are released but I’m sure those numbers were true when we were relegated and Brighton and Huddersfield were Championship clubs.

      • Monkseaton Magpies

        Yes I agree but we got rid of sixteen players this season all on big money so would still have been a £30m difference.

    • The BBC is FAKENEWS

      Rubbish

      Are you referring to the wage bill with an extra £40m mysteriously added to it by ashleys accountants? That’s £40m he has paid himself!

      • Monkseaton Magpies

        Which did not include the £10m bonus payments or paying players contracts up for £20m. All true payments but not to the Mag. It would be illegal to exclude such payments in the accounts .

      • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

        £40m? How do you get that?

        Our wage was £112m incl £20m provision and £10m in bonuses. The bonuses actually increased last year to over £12m as we found last week so it’s fair to say this figure gets repeated if we do ok.

  • Peaky

    We should be grateful for small mercies…..at least Mitro didn’t score over the weekend….we’d never hear the fuckingend of it….

    • Martin Rooney

      time yet

      • Kenny

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        • Martin Rooney

          Kenny are they mini mouse ears and do you want me to wear them when ya come over later

  • Leazes.

    2007 Premiership ‘Debt’ per club (the year Ashley took over)

    Figure £m

    Arsenal 416
    Aston Villa 73
    Blackburn Rovers 17
    Bolton Wanderers 52
    Chelsea 701
    Everton 39
    Fulham 197
    Liverpool 280
    Manchester City 147
    Manchester United 699
    Middlesbrough 93
    Newcastle United 106.2
    Portsmouth 57.7
    Sunderland 69.2
    Tottenham Hotspur 65
    West Ham United 36
    Wigan Athletic 66.4

  • NUFC9

    Obviously Rafa is not being given the financial backing he should be and we are not competing in the transfer market with clubs of a similar or lesser size. We all know that already. This article however does very little to prove this point as it selectively picks out certain factors where we have an advantage (tv money, gate receipts) while totally ignoring the ones where we have a disadvantage (wages, etc).

    I fully agree we are punching below our weight but this article is pointless as the evidence used is selective and incomplete.

    • Kenny

      here`s me thinking every club paid wages,

    • Hughie_Gallacher

      Take the wages into consideration if you must; we’re still being taken to the cleaners by Ashley and his cronies.

      • NUFC9

        Of course we are and we all knew that already (apart from Shola). What Dean is saying is completely true but there’s no point writing an article attempting to prove that Ashley isn’t giving Rafa the money the club is generating if you only cherry pick some figures for our income streams and ignore all of the outgoings. As above, the point is true but the article does nothing to prove it.

        • Geordiegiants

          Shola knows but is on the payroll somehow. Probably how he got on Sky.

    • Martin Rooney

      what is ‘ The dfinancial backing he should be’?

      • Kenny

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  • robbersdog

    I know this is off-topic, but I’ve just seen a clip of Matt Ritchie after he was substituted yesterday. He went completely bonkers – raging, swearing, throwing water bottles, aggressively pointing at the back of Rafa’s head etc. He completely lost it, and I hope he’s got his focus back before the next game.

    As for this article…I’m bored with reading about how we spend diddly squat compared to other clubs. We all know it, and don’t need to be reminded every bloody day.

    • X,WHY,Y MAN.

      Too True, How many pie charts, Percentages and everything else do we need to inform us what we already know ?

    • glassjawsh-got-banned

      maybe some people don’t? Of course the old heads on this site are aware of what’s going on, we’re here every day. But I’d wager to guess that we’re a very small portion of the Toon Army, thus the campaign to inform the unwashed masses must go on (whether it annoys you or not).

    • Sickandtired

      Think he had a good right as he was playing well and creating. Atsu came on and ran around like a headless chicken again. Strange decision by Rafa.

  • X,WHY,Y MAN.

    I see Southern A**E W**E Steve Parrish has been having a go at us and praising Fat Boy !

    • Milburn_Taylor

      I read it before on the net, it looks like Bishops work & the old pals act.
      Ashley is getting worried, there`s no doubt about that

      • Leazes.

        Lets keep rattling those cages

        • Ben Jones

          ^’let’s keep winding the geordies up to keep them in perpetual turmoil’

          • Milburn_Taylor

            THE Geordies, i thought you were one, odd phrase to use

          • Ben Jones

            Simpleton, I’m suggesting he isn’t one

          • Milburn_Taylor

            not really, wise enough to know what you are, if there`s a simpleton on here it`s you.
            blocked

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Oh my, Ben’s been blocked by a simpleton.

  • Leazes.

    I don’t think that there’s another football club surrounded by a media who are supporters of other clubs… held in a straightjacket for decades by journalists of the Chronicle Douglas and Ryder….where are United’s voices except on the street now?

    Tune in to BBC Newcastle to find out what is happening in bloody Yorkshire?
    Hear the voices of a Scouser at the chronicle who thinks United are a Huddersfield or a Scunthorpe…. and a Chelsea fan as an owner who thinks the bloody same! …..and that’s the level they set for us….. watch as they miraculously big-up the freebies, the loanees and the bin dips!

    And where is Charnley from…. the chronicle said he was from Gosforth but thats where he lives, and that was quoted on his arrest by police following HMRC’s raid, he came from the Wirral apparently….but there’s nothing on him anywhere…..not under that name! Who the heck is he?

    • Ben Jones

      ^The story of a frustrated man who’s tried everything to locate a strangers address but cant

      • Kenny

        look, it`s little Ben, known to fat Mike as bend over Benny.

  • The BBC is FAKENEWS

    Pretty much sums it up. And that is just where it starts.

  • Andy Horton

    Article excludes £80 million wages at Newcastle compared to £31 million at Brighton. Explains the supposed anomaly. Makes Newcastle likely to attract a higher calibre.

    • Wezza

      Yes because we certainly have attracted a higher calibre in the summer. Free transfers, unwanted cast off bin dips etc.
      Where did you get the info that our wage bill last season was 80M? I thought it was around 50M.

      • Andy Horton

        i expect the high wages are both advantageous and a hindrance. Brighton can’t afford it. Newcastle same as Spurs policy. Newcastle were even with Brighton, two years ago, but now they have moved ahead.

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          Hudds and Brighton had £50m scope in wages to work within ffp in comparison to us.

      • Andy Horton

        Swiss Ramble on Twitter

    • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

      Nufc wages ran at £92m incl bonuses. As we’ve seen this week, Nufc are generous with bonuses so should be included. They are included for FFP

  • Down Under Mag

    I actually don’t place too much stock in pure transfer spends alone. If you can find a player coming to the end of their contract of a similar calibre to another player who isn’t why not pick them up?? You end up with one player costing a few million and the other costing 20m+ and being no worse off on the pitch.

    The problem at NUFC is that the money left over should be then going towards the positions that still require strengthening that you can’t find this type of cheap player for, but unfortunately if we can’t find the cheap option we simply do not buy. This has left us with one recognisable LB and an on loan player wearing the number 9 shirt who is still a gamble.

    As for wages, there is so much smoke and mirrors when it comes to finances at this club you just can’t make too many straight up calls about profits, wages, spending etc and that is done intentionally by Ashley and Co to cloud things allowing them to try and justify anything they want to the media who lap it up and spout it off without checking things first and labelling the fans ungrateful etc…

    It’s also worth remembering that the two club mentioned, as well as “big spending” Watford and Fulham, all lost at the weekend too. Spending big doesn’t always guarantee success. For Ashley it’s all about survival. he has no interest in trying to compete for Europe or cups, it’s just about maintaining his cash flow and advertising streams.

    • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

      It’s not smoke and mirrors, it’s very clear.

      • Down Under Mag

        We live in a world of “undisclosed fees” and no wages disclosed and certainly a very shady looking “onerous payments” clauses in finances. All i’m saying is that it makes numbers in articles like this hard to verify and I don’t think that is done by accident.

        I do worry when I see fans post things like net spends and profits etc because there is so much behind the scenes they do not take into account like player sign on fees and agent fees…this all needs to come from somewhere. But that doesn’t make things all above board either.

        • Mark Potter

          No club publishes the individual wages, fees, bonuses etc of players. Very few ever officially confirm the transfer fees.

          Why do you doubt there were onerous payments? We had a number of players on long contracts that we had to let go. If we had to pay off the rest of their contract in one go… The most likely culprits were Collocini, De Jong, Thauvin. A £50k per week player with two years left on their contract would cost us £5m.

          But the phrase could also refer to the book value of players who remained at the club. Normally the cost of a player is spread across the length of their contract. if the Director believes a player is no longer contributing to the squad, and has no resale value, then they must declare this as a loss. Buyers of the club must know what the squad is honestly believed to be worth. Culprits, Riviere, Colback, Krul, Haidara.

          It’s not like we were unaware of these situations. But when the club put them in the accounts people say it is false accounting. The false accounting would be to pretend that Riviere etc were assets that the manager could play in the first team, and/or sell to another club at anything like what we paid.

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          The article cannot be verified as the information within is guess work..

          The income is quite easy to guess, media money will be £125m, match day will be around £25m and commercial etc will he another £25m. This could even be under estimated.

          The estimated figures for Brighton are too low. Their proximity to London means corporate & marchday income will be well up on 2017.

          Nevertheless, the costs are where it’s at. Our wage bill is £90m when you remove the provision. We know from the bonus row that the bonus structure is very generous and will be £12-14m against the £10m of 2017.

          Brighton’s wage bill was £30m + £10m bonus, they have £50m head start on us. They could also add £50m and keep within FFP whereas we could not add anyone in 2017-18, we actually needed to reduce our wage bill from the £112m reported in 2017. The onerous contracts provision was bought forward in the 2017 accounts and in part was to ensure ffp in 2018 was easier. Wages are not included in EFL FFP rules whereas they are the focus of EPL rules.

          Huddersfield wages were £10 less than Brighton’s.

        • Sickandtired

          I believe it’s on record that the club includes all of such fees etc now – which is why we have the ridiculous claim of a £112 million wage bill.

    • Leazes.

      Man United picked up Michael Owen in that fashion…. but we aren’t doing it with that quality of past top internationals or even the likes of the Cabayes on a buy to sell….. these are third drawer players!

  • jack

    My winnings from wager with Bobbi Fleckman donated to cancer research , nice one Bobbi