Andy Gray is the latest to give Newcastle fans the benefit of his expertise.

The presenter declaring ‘I dunno what Newcastle want? Do they want Mike Ashley to say here’s a quarter of a billion pounds of my money you can have it and spend it how you want Rafa…’

Isn’t it great how idiots like Andy Gray can ignore any kind of reality and come out with outlandish claims as to what Newcastle fans are supposedly demanding.

This is on a par with Mike Ashley saying how he couldn’t compete with ‘sovereign states’ in reference to Manchester City.

Absolutely crazy, when in reality Newcastle fans are upset about (amongst other things) the fact that we can’t compete with those well known sovereign states Brighton and Huddersfield in the transfer market, rather than Manchester City.

Newcastle fans are unhappy because this summer Mike Ashley made a transfer profit of over £20m, the biggest in the Premier League, one of only two PL clubs to make a profit – the other being Watford due to the sale of Richarlison for over £40m.

The likes of Huddersfield, Wolves, Fulham, West Ham, Brighton, Cardiff and many others had a net spend this summer at least £50m higher than Newcastle United.

How can Andy Gray not even grasp that this is severely hampering Rafa Benitez?

Where is the rationale for Gray to take unhappiness from Newcastle fans at a £20m+ transfer profit and that then equal those supporters are demanding Mike Ashley should put in £250m to pay for transfers?

Nobody knows for sure but I think in the case of Andy Gray, his ridiculous comments are probably more due to being thick and lazy, rather than any kid of vindictiveness towards Newcastle fans and/or support for Mike Ashley.

When your whole job is talking about Premier League clubs, how can you be so lazy and reckless in the comments you make. What is so difficult about doing research and understandng wat you are talking about before you say it.

I think a lot of the problems with the likes of Andy Gray and others, is that they have such a high opinion of themselves and really believe they are experts, so they need to also believe that then this naturally means football fans aren’t up to their level.

I think key to this latest nonsense is that Andy Gray totally hasn’t got a clue about why Newcastle fans are worried.

He somehow thinks that it is down to Mike Ashley as to why Newcastle finished 10th last season, failing totally to understand that if it hadn’t been for Rafa Benitez, last season’s squad would have almost certainly been relegated.

As as been said many times before, even on the last day of the season Newcastle could have ended up 15th in the PL, if results had gone differently.

Yet Andy Gray seems to think that the very worst that can happen this season is that NUFC repeat 10th place and believes that Newcastle supporters are demanding that we should finish higher than 10th this time.

The reality of course is that most Newcastle fans know last season’s squad were very lucky to end up 10th and could easily have been 16th or 17th, or even worse.

They also know that because of lack of transfer backing, it is very dubious as to whether this current squad is any better than the one that ended last season at St James Park.

Newcastle fans fear Rafa Benitez walking away at the end of the season because of Ashley undermining him, whilst more immediately, fans worry that we might be relegated even with Benitez’ expertise, due to all of the competition strengthening.

One example should surely tell Andy Gray all he needs to know.

Back in the day he was a top division striker and so how can he not see that last summer Rafa was forced to bring in £5m Stoke reserve striker Joselu as his main forward purchase, whilst this time it is £2m loan forward Rondon, who has averaged eight goals a season in his three years at West Brom in the Premier League.

As for players now wanting to come to Newcastle, that is just nonsense.

Of course some players will want to go to London as opposed to a club outside the capital but for most, especially foreign players, they simply want to come and play in the Premier League and find the most ambitious club possible.

This is shown by big money signings (by Newcastle standards especially!) heading to Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Everton, Leicester, Brighton and elsewhere.

Those players could just as easily have signed for Newcastle United if Mike Ashley didn’t run the club the way he does.

The fight goes on and part of that is countering the stupidity of clueless morons such as Andy Gray.

How can he be totally unaware that as well as the first team squad, Mike Ashley as also left Newcastle trailing well behind when it comes to investment in the training complex and Academy?

He says Mike Ashley ‘has done a really good job’ because Newcastle ended up 10th last year, so what does he have to say about the fact that Ashley already has two relegations in the previous eight PL seasons at NUFC, plus only one finish in the PL top nine in his 11 seasons at the club?

Andy Gray speaking on beIN Sports:

“You have to be very careful because Newcastle fans have an expectancy maybe beyond what they should have.

“They haven’t won a domestic trophy since 1955, that’s a long time since they haven’t won any trophy since the Fairs cup in 1968.

“Yet they (the fans) still think they are entitled to whatever Mike Ashley has got, whatever his millions are.

I think Mike Ashley has done a really good job with them, they finished tenth last year.

 “I heard last year that Mike Ashley was ridiculous (because) he didn’t give Rafa enough money – they were this, they were that – they finished tenth.

“Rafa spent more money and brought more players in and they might finish ninth this year.

“I dunno what they want?

“Do they want Mike Ashley to say here’s a quarter of a billion pounds of my money you can have it and spend it how you want Rafa, it’s not going to happen, It’s not going to happen.

“If you look at the investment he’s made in Newcastle I don’t get the stick he gets I really don’t. Then again, I’m not up there seven days a week the way the Newcastle fans are. I don’t know what they want from Mike I really don’t.

“He’s brought in Rafa Benitez he gets no praise for that, he brought him in he was the man that said I’m going to bring Rafa Benitez into the club and yet he gets no credit for that.

“It’s a difficult place to attract the very best players because most of the foreign players that come to the Uk want to play in London, Manchester or Liverpool they don’t want to play in the North East of England. So it’s difficult to attract the very best players up there.

“If they finish between sixth and tenth most years and win a cup or have a cup run unless they do a Leicester and surprise us all, I think that’s where they are.”



  • TheFatController

    “Rafa is very good at getting the fans onside, he did it at Liverpool”

    Rafa uses which of the following to get fans onside?
    – A secret nerve agent gas?
    – voodoo?
    – hypnosis on a Uri geller scale?
    – a professional approach to team management whilst respecting the values of the club and its supporters ?
    – luck and winging it?

    He’s the arch manipulator, clearly.

    • Ron

      How many guesses can I have?

      • TheFatController

        Unfortunately, as he never reveals his methods, I cannot offer a prize.

        It remains a mystery.

    • Scott Robinson

      With his tin foil hat on it is a conspiracy theory that Rafa ever won the Champions League and if he did it must have been around ’69. AG was a good header of the old lace heavy wet leather bladder ball, it must have damaged his brain cell as he now sounds like ‘a heed-the-baal’

    • FatParosite

      “Rafa is very good at getting the fans onside, he did it at Liverpool” That is all Bishop trust me.

  • Ron

    AG hasn’t a clue he doesn’t even read from his script properly – we didn’t win the Fairs Cup in 1968 – I remember it well – 1969!

    • Kneebotherm8

      Just like all his comments………ill informed…….

  • Stephen

    Retired footballers that become pundits are spoiling Televised games
    While I would bow to there tactical knowledge. There opinions are something else
    Who is the worst football pundit? Easy Lily Savage by a County Mile
    But he’s got some company
    Keys and Grey had the best jobs in the world and blew it with pure arrogance.

  • Steve Smith

    Wow, he’s as thick as pig squit.

    I love the self perpetuating false equivalence, you can’t make it up!

    We haven’t won a trophy in a long time therefore we shouldn’t receive adequate investment, therefore prolonging the length of time without success, therefore justifying lack of investment, ad infinitum.

    • TheFatController

      The problem with the commenters is they confuse ‘investment’ and ‘purchase’

      As an example, Sheik Mansour purchased City for £260m but has invested nearly £2bn to make sure the turnover is maximized. Ashley has purchased at quoted price plus existing debts, and then only invested to cover losses, not to increase turnover.

      But when you have thick ex footballers discussing business investment, you end up with them sounding embarrassingly thick as squit on even the most basic business terminology.

      It’s very sad.

      • FatParosite

        It is far more cynical than that I’m afraid. These are paid for mouthpieces keen to get inside knowledge for investments for off the cuff punditry ring-mastered by Bishop. They support your idea of ex-footballer logic because they are made by ex-footballers and as such are left unedited by Bishop to promote that idea and to not look like they are agenda driven. Ashley has used similar views with SkySports exclusives and you can see the hand of Bishop in all of them.

        With Ashley they are likely to be conversations with Kieth that fuel Ashley held beliefs to work into the narrative. Exibit A: NOT a championship squad. Exibit B: Pantomime villain. and so on.

        With Keys/Wise/Grey you get familiar narrative threads that focus mainly on Benitez as Ashley cannot be seen to direct his ire at a man who kept a championship side up despite his own utterances. All of the pundit chat uses the transfer window as focus and definitely link Benitez to both wanting too much and having a track record of moaning. These are the areas of attack as they know they are the weakest. The KDB bandwagon is clearly putting it’s eggs into the ‘deluded fans’ basket hoping that it gains traction with fans of other clubs which in turn will help on the national press front.

      • Kneebotherm8

        He’s nutted the crossbar too many times……….dunderheed…

      • Leazes.

        Yes they do confuse ‘investment and purchase’….

        …..they also confuse ‘asset’ with ‘liability’…..

        That’s why you get a mindset, an immovable object that says this club is in debt always….. the local press did that ….Douglas and Ryder!

        It is true we owed about 60m for the Stadium rebuild, but it gave us 15000 extra premium priced seats generating £8m+ per season…. it was an asset then as it still is! The mortgage would have ended in 2016….. Ashley has debts caused by frugality or a shoestring operation resulting in relegations.

  • Paul9

    It’s pathetic that a couple of shamed sexist get their say on global tv about other people we really need someone in our corner that can at least back us nationally come on ant and dec where are you

  • Big Hairy Man

    The man’s a total moron. Practically unemployable in the UK

    • Ron

      Not as clever as a moron, he’s a cretin!

    • Leicester Mag

      One too many diving headers

      • Big Hairy Man

        His last diving header seems to be right up Ashley’s buttcrack.

  • Rob Brown

    Aye lads – the truth can be really painful at times

    • TheFatController

      Ah, you’re clearly very smart, smarter than me. Repect.

      Could you explain the ‘investment’ Ashley has made that Gray refers to, and how that puts the club better off than when he bought it?

      Take your time if you want to gather facts and not simply troll an emotionally charged angry reply hidden in a calm but provocative comment.

      • Rob Brown

        Your attempted dig is seriously flawed in so much as all of the emotional charge in any discussion of this kind comes from the anti-Ashley side. The non-anti-Ashley side really have nothing to be emotional about.
        Plus – this whole concept that you have to be either for or against Ashley (upon which this site seems to thrive) is just so childish.
        I don’t like the guy, but I don’t dislike him. Yes he took us down twice, but at least some of us are capable of seeing what he’s trying to do, and are not just blinded by hate.
        As usual the anti-Ashley mob are cherry-picking topics to argue, conveniently ignoring major facts.
        Do you deny that football is indeed, as Gray says, now a business? This is the main point here. You have to accept that as a business he’s trying to make money, and deliberately sabotaging our club cannot be his agenda on any level.
        Do you deny that the vocal minority of fans – as seen on sites like this – expect Ashley to throw his personal wealth into the club? This is undeniable – even Shearer had a dig when Ashley bought House of Fraser, showing that while he may have been a phenomenal striker he has no idea about how business works.

        Do you deny we must have lost millions in the Championship?
        I’m sure you’ll agree we did, but you’ll argue the amount. OK I might even agree with you. How long does it take to recover that?

        Do you know the exact figures when it comes to earnings and spending? No, you don’t – the only thing we can be sure of is that by selling on installments and buying cash there will be a period of time when we’re running at a loss until the incoming installments build up to a level that covers the lump sum outgoings.

        Instead of asking me to counter your claim, for which you have no evidence, how about you proving your claim first?

        “Take your time if you want to gather facts and not simply troll an emotionally charged angry reply hidden in a calm but provocative comment”

    • Ron

      You’re so right, it is painful – and this wasn’t it. We’re living with the painful truth!

  • Kenny

    Nonce

  • FatParosite

    I want the Mag to just stop this pathetic clickbait. It gives voice to the paid for pundit to be used by Bishop.

  • Scott Robinson

    The other way round, Super Mike thinks he is entitled to 50k turning up every week (who were there before him despite never winning things) and all the status and freebies NUFC brings him and his business, whilst we are forced to accept his mediocracy and by his own statements sad useless running of our great club. AG needs to think if Celtic or Rangers ever make the premiership then they are further north, but if they have the right owners then I am sure Stevie G would be signing even the big foreign players, it’s called AMBITION. It is money that attracts the best players, maybe AG can explain why Super Mike Ashley is yet to break our very modest transfer record in his 12 years stewardship. BTW he looks like he could do with a loan of Dennis’s hair piece then oddly he would be the spit of Dennis’s dad.

  • Peaky

    #NothingMoreThanAPairOfFuckingWankers…..

    • TheFatController

      Get that hashtag trending ….

  • Hughie_Gallacher

    He’s had one too many kicks in the head, that bloke. His ‘reasoning’ rivals that of the Manc trolls.

    It shows that Ashley and Bishop are getting desperate though, having to wheel these cretins out to back them.

  • Wor Lass

    What an absolute moron. We haven`t won a trophy since 1955/1968 (couldn`t even get that one right!) so we shouldn`t expect Ashley to invest? What? You had every football fan`s dream job and blew it because you`re a small-minded, sexist prat. Stick to commentating on the football.

    • Kneebotherm8

      He’s got not a lot right…..clueless…….and he’s paid a wage for it….

    • Ron

      He should try commentating on something he knows about but then that might fill the time slot – it would only last 25 – 30 seconds.

    • Leazes.

      1969

      • 1957

        On the 11th June next year will we be looking at 50 years without a trophy… almost certainly!

        • Monkseaton Magpies

          Yes and only one person to blame Mike Ashley because he is fat and was the only person to put money in the club £279m a disgrace that bloke think I will protest on Sunday and scare the pensioners doing their shopping.

      • Wor Lass

        Exactly.

  • Ken Toon

    Probably the most idiotic statement he makes, a close race mind you, is that Toon fans would like FCB to spend 250k of his “own money”. Funny, I thought fans would just like him to spend some of the club’s money from TV and transfers. Just an inkling I got from hundreds of comments I’ve read to that effect.

    I guess in that respect I have an advantage of Andy, I can read.

  • panther

    shut up fool

  • Paul Patterson

    “He’s brought in Rafa Benitez he gets no praise for that”
    Actually, it was the other way around, Rafa approached us . .

    “Do they want Mike Ashley to say here’s a quarter of a billion pounds of my money you can have it and spend it how you want Rafa, it’s not going to happen, It’s not going to happen.”
    So how about just half the tv money then?

    “It’s a difficult place to attract the very best players”
    Sure it is, when we bid less than half the going rate and don’t pay comparable wages than say Stoke, Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Southampton etc.

    “I’m not up there seven days a week the way the Newcastle fans are. I don’t know what they want from Mike I really don’t.”
    Then shut your sexist pie hole . .

    • Damon Horner

      I’d add:

      “I dunno what they want?”
      Maybe a strategy, communication, honesty and a demonstration that we are a competitive team.

      • Kneebotherm8

        Clueless cnt…….been indoctrinated by his buddy dckheed Keys….

    • Ron

      He hasn’t yet risen to the dizzy heights of moron, he’s still a cretin!

      • Kneebotherm8

        moronic cretin………..or cretinous moron…….take your pick…..both apt..

  • Scottie Chugger Dearden

    All this proves is he knows nothi g about football, has he forgotten about Asprilla and Ginola!

  • MadMag83

    Why are Bein Sports giving these morons air time? Perhaps it’s time they themselves got the Twitter abuse for providing these deadbeat pundits with the platform to attack Newcastle fans.

    • Kneebotherm8

      Fair point……

    • relaxed

      Spot on
      i’ll order you a pair of trainers for that

      • MadMag83

        Ta, just make sure they’re not from SD.

    • Sickandtired

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  • Andynufc

    Haha how much bs can one man talk. Shows it’s getting to Ashley, getting his mates to stick up for poor old misunderstood Mike. Idiots the lot of them. No wonder they can’t get back on a decent channel.

  • Leazes.

    Gray and Keys are partners in GRAY COOPER MEDIA LIMITED…. I guess they are sold as a parcel of sh*te.

    • Ron

      Could his private address be shown on the incorporation docs of the other company he was a director in? Surely not? It looks like it though.

      • Steve Smith

        Nope. It’s an office block on a trading estate. Likely their accountant’s business address.

        Found this one in the polysec house building (they’ve mispelt the building name) double u double u double u dot accountantsofworcester dot co dot uk

        • Leazes.

          Not that one his real address is there too under the other company…. Windmill House.

          • Steve Smith

            Can’t see that one on mobile companies house.

            There’s another one that is almost certainly his home address or a past one. Lenton Cottage in West Midlands.

  • Lord

    Interesting that he’s piped up again a few days after SD’s Twitter feed gets overrun with anti-Ashley sentiment.

    Trouble is, Andy, no-one’s listening and no-one takes you seriously.

    It won’t blow over.

  • Sickandtired

    “I don’t know what those Geordies want. Mike has given away free advertising to the shareholders of another company, as well as making sure those shareholders profit from NUFC’s merchandise – just look at the attention all that SD advertising brings. Mike took club owned land to develop for his own profit. Mike has ensured that in 11 years of his ownership, the club has a real spend of only around £26 million. £2.6 million per season should be enough for any PL Manager worth his salt. Who cares how much revenue or TV money the club has actually earned.
    Rafa has made £40 million transfer profit since he arrived. Doing his job well I’d say, so why all the whingeing?
    Mike saved the club from paying interest on the St James mortgage and cleared all the debt. Just think how much the club would owe him now, instead of the £144 million he has hanging over it? So what that the mortgage would have been paid off in 2016, they got a better deal from Mike.
    Mike has a right to get back every penny spent buying the club. Isn’t that how every business works?
    Stupid Geordies.”

  • SuperDesHamilton

    What investment?! We’ve got rubbish Facilities, bargain basement players & we just pray we can compete with teams like Brighton…that’s how bad it’s got you fat scotch nonce

  • Duh

    Not even worth discussing what that tool said.

  • Monkseaton Magpies

    What I am waiting for with interest is the Accounts for last year when they come out in March. The last two sets of Accounts have shown us with £2m and £8m overdrawn so Mike has been true to his word and given every penny. If the Accounts for last year show little money in the Accounts then the protesters and most on the Mag have got it wrong big time and Andy Gray is right. One thing is for sure the cash balance will tell if we are skint or awash with money.

    • Paul Patterson

      Spoken like a true apologist..

    • SuperDesHamilton

      The blokes a billionaire he doesn’t know what skint is

    • TheFatController

      If they show a loss again it will show how poorly managed we are in terms of ROI.

      So yes, we either make money that Rafa wasn’t given and Ashley should therefore sell up, or we are run inefficiently as always and, er, oh yes, he should sell up.

      You do illuminate how badly the club is run better than any of the protest groups. Good work.

      • Toon Arnie

        Quality post !!
        Monkwearmouth / Ghost Rider / Fleckman …. noise of pin dropping…..

      • Ron

        I’m almost wanting to unblock to see what he said! Not quite but stop tempting me.

        • TheFatController

          He basically said Megan the next accounts show yet again we made no morny you’ll all have to shut up and agree Ashley was honest and you lot all wrong about every penny…’

          So we must conclude that having no money is the truth so Mike should be left alone.

          After all, every other club is struggling to spend, they are running poorly invested squads at a loss also. But then, we must consider that many do have bigger stadiums etc, apart from the many that don’t have bigger stadiums etc

          • Monkseaton Magpies

            Wrong again my main interest is the cash balance.

          • TheFatController

            Yes. You increase it by investing in areas that increase revenue.

            Ashley doesn’t.

            Yet again, you indirectly highlight why Ashley should sell the club and let someone else in who can bring revenue-generating nous to the club.

            That’s why we don’t need a billionaire, just a business person with a growth business plan.

            You may remember the lies about ‘5 year plans’, the ‘arsenal’ model we were following.

            Truth is, we have no plans in place. Shame on Ashley. Charlaton and liar, Dickensian employer.

          • Ron

            Thanks for enlightening me. Of course you can make a loss with high write offs that don’t involve cash moving out of the business, and still have more in the bank or lower loans, depends on what you want to show I suppose.

    • drc74

      fats is right spxnkster, EITHER the club has made a profit that hasn’t been made available and being spent in tbe fat ones other pies, OR we have a prem team running at a loss, meaning the chairman and the owner are incompetent and aren’t fit and proper people to run a company

    • Damon Horner

      We will show a fair cash balance when the next accounts are released because it doesn’t cover the transfer window just gone. The ones after that would be where I get interested.

    • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

      That’s not quite right, the full picture is to see who we owe and who owes us. The balance sheet is a snap-shot.

      The issue will be wages.

      • Monkseaton Magpies

        It;s very true as for Mike cash is king and with regard to buying players it is the money in the bank that counts nothing else. For example we could be owed thirty million for players but we will not buy a player unless we have the money in the bank so cash is king full stop.

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          Cash is King but Rafa is allowed to spend the surplus revenue, i.e. the profits. I’d be surprised if we weren’t bash to being cash rich right now. I also think we’re building liquidity in order to be more attractive to a buyer.

  • HarryHype59

    The fat medicine ball headed clown refers to a wage bill of £112m in The Championship. If that were true, the average wage for the 25 man squad at NUFC would be around £85k a week. The £112m figure is creative accounting at its worst.

    I don’t want Fatty to spend his own money, I just want him to let Rafa spend the multi millions this club has generated from TV deals and transfer profit.

    • Salty

      The wage bill doesn’t just relate to the 25 man playing squad. You may have noticed we also employ a first team manager, u23 squad, various coaches, security staff, chefs etc etc. Believe it or not they also get paid

      • HarryHype59

        No sh*t Sherlock! Apart from Rafa the rest will be paid comparative peanuts. Their combined wage bill will be no more than five million. Even the most financially illiterate troll, must grasp the £112m wage bill is a work of creative fiction.

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          Combined wage bill of whom?

      • TheFatController

        It’s been explained as the bonus payments and onerous contract payments (paying off non-first team squad players’ contracts basically)

        So not the salaries of employees probably on £15k-£50k per annum as opposed to per week.

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          It’s not salty who need the lesson Fats, it’s Harry but he knows this stuff.

        • HarryHype59

          The wage the previous season was reported to be around £76m. The reported increase to £112m is bizarre as Wynaldum, Sissoko, Townsend were sold and other high earners had left the club.

        • HarryHype59

          The wage bill the previous season was reported to be around £76m. The reported increase to £112m is bizarre as Wynaldum, Sissoko, Townsend were sold and other high earners had left the club.

      • Ron

        Along with these two Cretins, Gray and Keys.

    • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

      Harry, you aren’t as stupid as some of those on here but that post is beneath you.

      I know you’ve read my analysis and you will know the £112m includes a provision for £20m being the cost to pay up contracts for players that are not in Rafa’s plans. The recurring payroll is £82m.

      This also includes employers NI at 13.9%.

      The wages also include support salaries, management, coaches, reserve team etc etc. Rafa & the 3 senior coaching team are £11.39M.

      • drc74

        yup, yet another liberal comment

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          Not sure where you are on that one

          • drc74

            calling people stupid isnt very liberal, could be construed as being disrespectful and bot very Liberal

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Right, I wasn’t aware of a language restriction for liberal people.

            I’m happy to hear different views and it’s possible to not be stupid and to disagree, however, stupid comments and an illogical thought process remains a trait of the stupid.

          • drc74

            stupidity such as only thinking unionist meant ulster, hmmm

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            There was no only about it but for a trade unionist, it’s usually prefixed with ‘trade’

          • drc74

            and funnily enough when discussing an ulster unionist, its usually prefixed with… erm ulster, ,you were trying to take a cheap shot by trying to make it look like i was throwing casual rascism into the mix, the whole conversation was about your comment about union members being thick and lazy, oh also i dont normally get asked at work if im a trade unionist, the trade bit is usually omitted, if u join one mike might buy u a better spxrt dxrect pricing gun

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            I can’t believe you get asked at work if you are a unionist, trade or otherwise unless it’s still 1974.

          • drc74

            well, unlike your master uncle mike, we have a solid diversity policy, meaning i work with people of all ages, so some will ask if im a unionist, or if I’m a member of tbe union, or am i a member of the union, as they have a good grasp of the English language, u see again if uncle mike would let u join one, u could get better working conditions

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            If I wanted better/different working conditions, I’d move jobs or speak with one of the ither guys.

            I’d not rely on some outdated concept of us & them, bosses and workers etc.

            We all do well when the company does well at my place.

          • drc74

            so not only are we thick and lazy, we don’t respect our boss, hahaha, adding stereotyping to your casual racism, well done

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            My casual racism? explain that one? I don’t think I’ve been racist in a casual or formal sense.

            I don’t think I implied or said that you don’t respect your boss.

          • drc74

            associating unionist s who are stupid and lazy with ulster unionists, also your generalist view s about union members means when u state

            I’d not rely on some outdated concept of us & them, bosses and workers etc.

            means that your are basically accusing all union members, including me to have a them and us attitude

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            It all rather depends. To the credit of unions and employers, industrial action is at an all time low in the UK. Given that we have full employment, that’s a good thing.

            However, there remains some silly disputes but I’d also say we’ve all moved on from the need for a union.

            Had we not had unions, it’s highly likely that we’d still have large UK owned car manufacturer, Coal mining and significant ship building. Government interference has played it’s part.

            I agree that we need some employee protection

          • drc74

            soooo you think the public sector skirmish is a silly dispute, record employment on zero hour contracrs, which your saviour is going to do undo tupe, you call unions outdated practices, what do u call stripping 16 plus aged,
            employees to make sure they haven’t nicked anything

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            If a business has a problem with theft, I don’t think searches are unusual.

            I had to enter government buildings quite often and there are usually checks in & out. Also I’ve been to large warehouses such as Adidas, Marks and Spencer etc and there is security.

            HofF clearly has problems, anyone taking it on will need to address their cost issues.

            I don’t have a problem neither zero hours contracts.

          • drc74

            so searching is ok, btw your talking out your axse regarding gov bulidings, the only ones you get searched in are courts and crown buildings that are linked to mps.
            zero hour contracts….. tell u what mate, when you finally leave mommy and daddy, with your sxite dxrect nlw zero hour job, try and get a mortgage

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            The last one I was in was AWE down near Reading and there were searches in and out. As you say, parliament buildings do the same.

            Sadly, I have a mortgage, but even as I am, essentially self employed, the requirements for a mortgage are the same. Prove a regular income and affordability, then you are likely to get a loan.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            It’s a long way from casual racism

      • Damon Horner

        Who accounts for that £20mil of players Rafa doesn’t want? Are we talking about players released by the club or some of those that moved on last summer? Should some of that money not have been freed in e summer?

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          It was freed in the June 2017 year. It wasn’t a cash transaction, just a provision.

          In my opinion, there are two explanations / reasons, not exclusive from one another.

          i) By over-stating the wages for 2017, we move the wages from 2018 and even 2019 into the ‘championship’ season. Championship FFP rules do not cover wages so we can exceed our EPL wages threshold in the championship. By accounting for £20m of that, it allows £20m scope for extra wages in the EPL.
          ii) By over-stating wages in 2017, the 2018 wage and cost figures are lower making the accounts look very healthy and attractive to a new owner. Especially as part (i) has helped remove a ceiling on wages.

      • Squintytoonarmy

        You are obviously a club insider

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          Or someone who can read? Who’s to know

    • Wezza

      Spot on.

  • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

    I suspect what Gray means is that Ashley has £276m tied up in NUFC. If fans want him ‘out’, he’s not about to donate the shares to the freemen of the city and write off his debt.

    This is why I say these bedsheet wavers are irrelevant. you have to find a buyer or come up with the money yourselves.

    • Monkseaton Magpies

      Could not agree more they can protest on Sunday with an orange on their heads with one shoe and one sock on but unless they buy the club or find a buyer they may as well spend their time fishing in Leazes Park eating crab paste sandwhiches.

      • TheFatController

        Being billy big hard boy hanging on the coat tails of Ashley’s money to talk down to people without huge amounts?

        Well done. Impressive stance.

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          Fats, it’s just reality. It’s not talking down people without huge amounts, if fans care, they will pool resources and buy the club. The problem being, we’ve had the chance to do this before and frankly, left it to someone else.

          • Mike

            Ha ha name a club in prem that would do that this is the north east folk got no money idiot

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            “North East folk got no money”.

            I’m not suggesting a lot of money, I’m suggesting that tere must be more than 300,000 fanatical NUFC fans, if we get 1/2 of those to put £2,500 into a pot, legally the Newcastle United Investment trust than we have £375m. Ashley will sell for about £330m, that gives an extra £45m to the bank balance and transfer budget.

            Without going into too much detail, we can most likely get nearly £1,000 of that £2,500 back within 6-12 months. So it will cost £1,500 to buy into the club. That’s a weeks holiday, a weeks wage or can be saved by not changing the car for a year.

            If you can’t afford that, the richer folk, they exist, can put more in and get a bigger say and more out.

          • Jate Legend

            Loads of clubs in spain operate like this.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            THe vision of The Magpie group in 1991 was fan ownership.

            The Spanish model is a little different, it tends to be a membership model

          • Squintytoonarmy

            Dickheed – how much you prepared to stump up? I could buy Bournemouth with a couple of mates – no comparison between the two clubs. Irrespective of whether there is another buyer or not stop defending the cockney twat.Guess you were happy with two relegations, Wise, Kinnear etc?

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Personally, I’d be prepared to do around £20k on the back of a good business plan. Now, £20k is neither here nor there but if we all put money up and share the burden, it can be done.

            As it happens, it’s all relative, Bournemouth fans bought the club and there were only a few thousand of them but there are 100’s of thousand of us so if they can do it, so can we.

            To be perfectly honest, I went to more games in the Championship than I do in the epl so for a season, a relegation was quite enjoyable.

            Wise was with us for 9 months, I don’t care either way except he did not help with KK. Kinnear for a stop-gap would have been ok if his ticker held out.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            A club that did this? Bournemouth.

          • Geordiegiants

            Who Royally fuckedus over!

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Which is why fans should take responsibility themselves.

          • Geordiegiants

            I agree but we need a figure head.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            We need leadership although Leazes’ says Shola knows a good investment.

            I wrote an article last year with a view of a follow up on how a fan buyout could work. As it happened, Staveley made herself known at the same time so I thought there was little point in mixing the pot.

            Perhaps I’ll write a line or two in a few weeks.

          • simonjames60

            Hard to reconcile this plan of yours with your philosophy on unions.

            You’re advocating a mass response against a person in authority to change an organisation that fans are unhappy with.

            If only we had a representative body to facilitate your plan.
            Oh wait – I forgot. You don’t believe in the small people being represented, having unions or working together to take on evil tyrants making and their poor decisions.
            Your attitude is we should either just leave and find a new club we like, or we should have tried harder at school.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Not so sure it’s hard to reconcile. The miners were offered to buy their mines after the end of the miners strike but unions did not like the idea and the miners didn’t back up their words that their mines were viable.

            I’m not suggesting a collective agreement, i fully expect there would be dominant shareholders but those who take the risk get the benefits / suffer the losses.

            I want fans who demand MA to risk more money to be prepared to risk their own, albeit on a reduced basis.

      • drc74

        whereas your busy getting crabs through sucking mike off in his lift

      • Leicester Mag

        More chance of a prize catch than a trophy at St James under this regime

        • Jate Legend

          I see what you did there

  • Jimblag23

    Just baseless rubbish. To pad it out he repeats everything twice cos he has nothing to say.
    So decent players don’t want to live in Leicester? Oh yeah I forgot that’s in London.
    Liverpool and Manchester dont offer any more as cities than Newcastle does.
    These people are either just wind up merchants or are being paid for this because there is no real reason to take this stance and spout this absolute drivel.

  • GlasgowMag

    FFS enough guys who cares what these idiots think if you just ignore them like the trolls they will fade away!! Can’t even remember what remote tv channel they operate from is it from a bunker somewhere in Afghanistan or something!!🤔🤔😂😂

    • mactoon

      The problem is because of their position in the media, people believe the rubbish they come out with without question. If their views are not challenged and we just ignore them nobody will ever know what is actually going on.

  • BanJones

    When there is no logical reason for your existence this is the sort of thing you say – next…..

  • BanJones

    Is that you Andy? Hanging out the back of mr Hairy Hands?

  • Mike

    Amazes me that so many idiots think we expect so much ie cups Europe etc. I can’t think of any supporter who says that. Wonder when this fool was at Newcastle or talked to any fans

  • Leicester Mag

    He’s a real nowhere man
    Sitting in his nowhere land
    Talking sheight that neefukka gives a blind toss about

  • Superdooperhooper

    Retail gazette website today – SD shareholders urged to vote against ashley in upcoming AGM because negative media stories are damaging the company . Looks like the protests are having an affect

    • magpiefifer

      Let’s hope so – and we can help keep up the negativity!!!
      As for Gray (and Keys,Wise etc) – why do we give these ignorant losers the space to spout their verbal rubbish!?

    • Leazes.

      get buying online

  • Spoon_Army

    I only know these two still exist due to this site. They continue to be the voice of media fans. They have never been the voice of match attending football fans. They are the furthest thing from that. Their opinion is irrelevant and has been for over 20 years.

    • porciestreet

      Agreed, but the sad thing is that people listen to them.

  • Mrkgw

    What a pair of misinformed has-beens. Putting it politely, of course. And to think, that I used to like them as pundits during the Keegan years of the 90’s. Amazing how true colours come to light when they have fallen from grace and turn ever more bitter. Dreadful.

    • Leicester Mag

      Think they misread their contract they thought it was with bell end sports

    • Paul Patterson

      They wouldn’t get away with it at another club. Imagine if Rafa was Sir Alex Ferguson? They’d shat themselves

      • Hughie_Gallacher

        You’re right there. It seems Newcastle is fair game for any undereducated prat on the media looking for a few easy bob from Keith Bishop.

  • NUFCLX

    We have an expectancy beyond what we should have!! Where are these fans they are referring to ? We see a manager, who if reasonably backed could improve us season after season and perhaps eventually, challenge for a top 6 place.
    If u are one of them fans who think we should be winning the premier league and champions league please respond because I have never met any fan who thinks that, and I talk to a lot of fans.
    I wonder what he would be saying if his beloved Everton had the same policy on expenditure

    • Down Under Mag

      40+ years of no success…the one thing that seems to escape the media pundits when they run out these tattered worn out cliche’s is that Newcastle fans wouldn’t be supporting the club if they EXPECTED to win anything, or indeed that we are certainly not glory hunting fans. Most fans just want a team to be proud of and unfortunately every time it looks like we are about to get to that level Ashley and his minions conspire to screw everything up.

  • DeadToiler

    Who’s the other bloke in the photo?

    • Steve Smith

      It’s tv chef Tom Kerridge pictured with the late Harambe.

      • drc74

        he seems to be turning into phil the power Taylor

  • Big Hairy Man

    In the photo above I think Wise is there performing an act on them. You can’t see him because he’s a very small man.

  • porciestreet

    How about as fans we give Mr Gray end his sidekick minion the benefit of our expertise……
    F.C. O.F and stir your schyte somewhere else.