The latest article to be highlighted in our debate feature is: ‘Why life is just so good now for Mike Ashley at Newcastle United’

Every article we publish on The Mag, fans are invited to comment at the end of it (it only takes a minute to register and then you can comment on anything you read on here).

There are some great conversations between supporters commenting on what has been written, not always agreeing with the author…or each other.

We are now regularly/irregularly picking out an article that has produced interesting debate afterwards.

Sometimes the comments can be more interesting that the initial article…but not everybody reads the comments, so we thought some of the conversations deserved a bigger audience.

The article highlighted today has already had 106 comments so far and the basis of the article, is the writer explaining how Mike Ashley has now got everything running in his favour at Newcastle United but the owner not likely to use his good fortune for the benefit of club, manager or fans.

(If you want to read the original article and/or leave your own comment (or you can do it at the bottom of this one…) go HERE):

Some of the comments after  ‘Why life is just so good now for Mike Ashley at Newcastle United’:

Toon 83:

‘I think people need a reality check. We aren’t Manchester City or Real Madrid. We can’t just pull money out of thin air.

We aren’t a big club, so we can’t attract elite players and we don’t have the money to pay big wages. We aren’t ever going to compete. If you don’t like it, don’t go. I’m not a fan of Ashley, but I’m realistic. We’ll get more players in I’m sure. Keep the faith. If we can get a few in we could aim to be a solid mid table team in a few years.’

FatParosite:

‘This is the typical ignorance that Bishop loves to hear. Self regulating expectation management.

It’s nearly as stupid as support the team not the regime divide and conquer spewed by morons who do not have the intelligence that god gave wheelie bins. You are the cancer that Ashley uses to rot NUFC my friend. You and your shoe gazing self flagellating pragmatism allows a great club to cower at the mercy of a bloated egocentric dictator. The sooner NUFC is rid of your type the better.’

Mark Andrews :

‘No we aren’t real Madrid or man city. And we aren’t Huddersfield Town either . But they’ve hugely outspent us since coming up from the championship with us. Even though they’re a much smaller club in an even less fashionable area.’

MichaelMaximusMoose:

‘Championship clubs with 15 to 20,000 gates are outspending Nufc.

They don’t get huge TV payouts either.’

Toon 83:

‘I would love to see us blow money on big players, but you’ve just got to look at the likes of Leeds to see that doesn’t always work.

I hope we do get a decent striker, but it’s hard when you are a small club to get top class. Hopefully we’ll get a solid striker who we can get knocking a few in.’

HarryHype59 :

‘Are you actually a NUFC fan? NUFC are not a small club.

NUFC club can easily afford to buy a £30m plus striker if the owner changed the recruitment and payment policy.’

Tom Wilson:

Fact of the matter is, look at where we were prior to his ownership of the club and compare to where we are today. We are everything a small club now due his reckless appointments and decisions in addition to two relegations which could have been avoided all during his eleven years as owner. The fact that our debt has massively increased, now we can’t even compete spending with championship clubs.

Prior to MA we were ahead of teams like Spurs and Everton now look at where MA has took us, even behind Huddersfield, Brighton and Burnley.’

FatParosite:

‘This dumbed down asset stripped club’s attitude to it’s position is not out of Ashley’s pragmatism in reaction to ‘reckless appointments and decisions’ Ashley has reduced us to it’s bare parts, to run on empty in the same way he runs all his businesses.

This is a well planned affront to the way any club builds for success not just ours. The PR stunts, the commonly held lie about how Ashley has saved the club from extinction. All of these have been meticulously planned to keep the club where he wants it and keep the gullible in the dark about his asset stripping. He will not be happy until he has left us with a carcass. Do NOT be fooled this is all part of the well planned show.’

TheFatController:

‘I never fail to be amazed that people still reference Leeds spending money they hoped to earn from champions league qualification as relevant to today where clubs competing with us simply spend the tv money in advance.

So Leeds spent what they weren’t guaranteed to get.

The likes of Bournemouth and Huddersfield spend what’s guaranteed to come in. It’s not like Leeds at all, the finances of the game are completely different now.

To be told by Ashley apologists we shouldn’t break transfer records etc set 10 years ago because we might do a Leeds tells us this club has now severely reduced the fans’ ambitions in English football …’

Monkseaton Magpies:

‘We spend every penny which is guaranteed. So spending any more would be doing a Leeds.’

TheFatController:

‘You can spend guaranteed tv money early.

Do you think Bournemouth care that they’ve been fined £5m for spending to reach the PL? Now they will soon clear £120m annual revenue for a fourth season ?

They don’t hang around, having reached the PL, they spend what they’d have coming as soon as to ensure they secure another’s year beyond.

So you completely missed the financial policy I was outlining – probably because you’re codependent to Ashley and want to see him as equal to other PL club owners. Seek help.’

Mark Andrews:

‘Why hasn’t he (Rafa) signed this gleaming new contract then ?’

Dont stop bobbi fleckman:

‘He’s a political, strategic manager. He’ll sign when he knows he hadn’t got a better offer, simple as that.’

Paul Patterson:

‘Anything remotely successful that happens at this club will be despite Ashley. Anyone who says different is an idiot.’

Ram Kishore:

‘U r entitled to your opinion and so do others ..

Just because they share something that’s even a bit differing doesn’t mean they are idiots..

Would u feel better if someone calls u an idiot because of the opinion u share ..

U have all right to be critical of owner and other fans too.’

Monkseaton Magpies:

‘Rafa is happy, our captain is happy, the players are happy. Four more signings and most fans will be happy. Sadly there will be some fans who are never happy.’

Dave Pattinson:

‘4 more signings? What type? Cheapos, loans/ freebies/ out of contract guys who are desperate?

Hope not, but experience sadly says otherwise.’

Mark Andrew:

‘He’s proper off the map! Rafa’s just a prisoner seeing out the last year of his sentence and Monkseaton thinks everything is rosy in the garden!’



  • Wezza

    Good article but why include posts from the Lee brothers?:

    “Monkseaton Magpies:
    ‘We spend every penny which is guaranteed. So spending any more would be doing a Leeds.’”

    Yes Kevin, we sofar have spent every penny this summer haven’t we. Tool.

    • TheFatController

      I’m glad they included my explanation to why it’s impossble to ‘do a Leeds’ currently.

      Apologists will completely disagree. In doing so ignoring the fact that since Leeds spent way more than they could hope to earn, FFP had been introduced.

      FFP is therefore a bit of a kick to the balls of the ‘do a leeds’ brigade, I think we can all agree…

      • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

        As Monkseaton said, to spend more than is received is to head toward a Leeds situation.

        Buying players that will succeed is OK, they can be sold if we go down but Sunderland is the benchmark. When they bought in players, the players failed and were too expensive to move on.

        • TheFatController

          Like Bournemouth then? Oh no, not like them.

          Like Leicester then? Burnley? Oh, if only spending money on players always lead to a Leeds or sunderland, you’d have a sound argument. You really would.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Bournemouth follow a small version of the Mike Ashley model.

            Burnley? Net transfer gain of £15m last term.
            Leicester? I wonder who will finish higher?

          • TheFatController

            Leicester will finish higher.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Will they? If I’d not had so many bets already, I may have taken you up on that.

          • TheFatController

            Please do. They’ll sell Mahrez, buy two £30m players with the cash, they already have Madison for £22m, they’ll keep Maguire, maybe bring Musa back, have Vardy and Iheanacho, and they also finished higher last season and money to soend.

            But hey, if you want to bet against a better team, recent champions, spending way more than us on new players, fine.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Yet we outplayed them, one of our best performances last season.

            Sadly, my getting budget is used but maybe we’ll revisit in September.

            You are right, they should build a decent side, top 8 finish but I think we’ll be in that cluster of teams with Everton, West Ham and Leicester.

      • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

        FFP is an interesting one. Take Bournemouth, they were OK under FFP because they were promoted in 2015 with a Championship wage bill (although they breached the Championship FFP rules) so could more than double their wage bill from 2015 and stay within FFP rules. They lost £38m in 2015 but managed to make a profit in 2016 & 2017 with wages at £71m. They have a turnover of £137m, £125m being EPL money, only £12m being non-TV.

        So, if Bournemouth do a Sunderland, go down and those players aren’t wanted, the club is finished without outside help.

        • Rich Lawson

          Haven’t they just done some sort of deal to reduce a fine for breaching FFP rules ?

          • MichaelMaximusMoose

            PSG are willing to pay £240m for Coutinho
            what does that tell you about FFP

          • Rich Lawson

            That the big boys don’t give a f##k about it and still seem to keep operating and overturning any sanctions at appeal whilst the wee clubs who have the temerity to breach it will get hammered ?

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Premier league FFP is different to Uefa who have effectively suspended their FFP.

            Bournemouth left the championship with a loss of £38m and a wagebill of £30m and an income of £12m.

            FFP in 2016, their first year in the EPL, permitted all clubs to have a wage bill of £74m. I.e. before any proble with FFP, they could add £44m to their wage will. Debt does not get counted so they could add 11 players with £4m wages

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            With the Championship / EFL? I’ve not read it but originally they simply didn’t pay and the FA /premier league would not back the EFL up. On the face of it, it seemed quite wrong.

            I picked Bournemouth because they got promoted from a low cost base without the other income most sizeable clubs have. If they go down this season, they are in danger of folding.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            It helps they have a Russian billionaire owner who bankrolled them & continues to do so.

          • Rich Lawson

            It’s a very small ground for the Prem’ and they don’t pick up that much tv money so they do seem to be on a knifes edge. Shame, I like to see them and clubs like Huddersfield having a go.It would be a boring League without aspiration and hope ?

          • SuperDesHamilton

            But they aren’t really, any fines the owner will clearly pick up. They have saleable assets on the playing staff they could go again. FFP hasn’t stopped anyone yet.

            Only team that seems to have been punished is AC Milan & that’s because the owner seems to have lied about his money

            And aspirations & hope what is that?!

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            They picked up £125m in TV money in 2017, that’s the same as we did last term. Their problem will be falling out of the league. Having a small overhead but for wages is workable in the EPL simply because of the TV money. Fall out of the league, if you can’t shift those wages on, there has to be a lot of financial support.

          • Ram Kishore

            The players whom they seem to sign are young one with potential and few senior players who are PL proven.. When it comes to shifting players they won’t be having any difficulties as the players signed by them are mostly bought from Championship and Young players with comparatively lesser wages..
            Just wondering how Burnley’s gonna do in Europa..
            I expect them to manage it and PL and not suffer like us and Everton did under Martinez

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            It does but they’ve not put anything in since the promotion, basically, it seems they use the Mike Ashley model.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Didn’t know you had access to Bournemouth’s financial accounts aswell as Newcastle’s

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Public record, all documented.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            So you went through them 😂😂😂😂

            Goodness me no wonder you & your brother have no pals….boring brothers Lee

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            It took a minute to look it up.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Watching trains

            Watching planes

            Sifting through Bournemouth’s accounts

            The Riverting life of a Lee Brother

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            That’s right but I think you meant “riveting”.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Boring more like

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Do you go to away games Desmond?

          • SuperDesHamilton

            Correctamundo

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Smashing, you can buy me a pint at Cardiff or Man City.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            I don’t look after old people sorry

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            ha ha, I’m surprised you go to the match TBPH.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            I’m not a sheep like you, I’ll never go to a home game. Anyway the real fans go to away games

          • TheFatController

            It’s taken Bournemouth four full years now to not get relegated …

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Three but they follow the Mike Ashley model

          • TheFatController

            No, they don’t. £20m transfer transfer v £14m under Ashley.

            Different models entirely.

          • Billmag

            Ashley’s model = pay cheap sell big.
            Bournemouth model pay £20ml for a player and give another player a contract worth £20ml, just doesn’t look the same to me.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            The investment is less but the model similar. That said, deals like that of Defoe could destroy them (when they get relegated)

          • Wezza

            I think they just enjoy talking to anyone. They must be very lonely. No wonder if one looks like Sgt. Bilko!

          • SuperDesHamilton

            I’m starting to think there’s only one…which is more worrying!

          • Monkseaton Magpies

            Where is Jezza still in the nut house for his false beliefs.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            That makes no sense Lee brother

          • SuperDesHamilton

            An opinion isn’t a false belief. You sound like a crusader, what you gonna do strike down all us who don’t agree with you & your brother?

          • TheFatController

            Their lack of delegations is also documented.

            What’s Ashley’s relegation record …? Surely his plan has seen us stable in the PL like Bournemouth, who are tiny by comparison to us?

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Bournemouth have spend 3 season of their 128 year history in the top division.

          • TheFatController

            Best period in their history. Ashley has overseen two relegations making it 5 in total in 125 years.

            Both clubs setting new records you are right yes. Well done.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            we’ve been out of the top division for 2 years in 11 under Mike, that’s better than the overall record of NUFC’s history.

          • TheFatController

            No.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Eh?

          • Monkseaton Magpies

            We have spent some 28 seasons in division 2 and one in the Northern League. Ashleys record in lower leagues is 18% against a club history of 24% so far better under Ashley.

          • TheFatController

            What, complete distract for the manager who then leaves and then install another ‘yes’ man for yet another relegation to be imminent ?

            That model? I don’t think they do.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Lend money to get them up, let the club stand on it’s own two feet thereafter.

          • Desree

            Letting the club stand on it’s own two feet? That would mean an independent board and Chair. It would also mean paying for advertising and choosing another distributor for shirts.

            Come on bobbi, for once just admit that you would love for NUFC to have a real go.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            I would, reality is, I’d prefer a long development of players coming through like Spurs.

            I don’t get the shirt thing, we’ve just had the best home shirts in Yonkers and the away is a peach plus we make more money this way than we ever did before. Only a fool would argue we have a bad deal re. Advertising Vs free borrowing.

          • Billmag

            Like giving Defoe a £20ml contract he is on £130 grand a week hardly an Ashley model is it.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            Indeed not, that is very much a Sunderland model. If they do that sort of thing a few times, they are going to be stuffed.

          • Billmag

            That was the package Bobbi hardly an Ashley model is it.

          • TheFatController

            And they would have got relegated already if it wasn’t for their pesky ambition, clever scouting, respect for their manager, and common sense.

            And what would it matter if they go bump? they still lived the dream most clubs their size couldn’t even comprehend.

            Look at Wigan, they’re back among the second and third tier. But they still have the Cup winning dvd to show that they too lived the dream they could one day only have dreamt and be laughed at for doing so.

            You really don’t get ambition, passion, success, and the dream, do you?

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            You see, with Bournemouth, their own fans coughed up the money to buy the club and take it forward.

            In 10 years of moaning, no NUFC seem willing to raise money to buy the club.

          • TheFatController

            Back to belittling impoverished geordies. Of course they can’t, what a pathetic argument to set up the purchase of Bournemouth when bankrupt and a lower league small club and us.

            You sit there in your madness writing this anger-ridden ‘I’m calmer than everyone though’ passive aggressive nonsense and don’t think you need help?

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            I’m not at all, I just wish our lot would put their money where their mouths collectively are.

            Bournemouth are a small club with a small fan base, NUFC have a big fan base so it’s all relative, we simply have more fans to raise more money.

        • TheFatController

          What a shame for you they haven’t gone down … but great for them.

          It’s almost like their cunning plan is working for them.

      • Wezza

        Totally agree!

      • Jezza

        True. NUFC are doing the exact opposite of Leeds. We are spending far less than we are earning. NUFC has never been more profitable yet our transfer spending is at an all time low.

    • Monkseaton Magpies

      When the last two sets of accounts came out we did spend every penny
      so look at the facts.

      • SuperDesHamilton

        ‘We’ are you on about Morpeth, Monkseaton, Man Utd, Sunderland or a new team you support this week?

        • Monkseaton Magpies

          Newcastle’s accounts would do you good to read them as might educate you and you could then give good replies like Fleckmen.

          • SuperDesHamilton

            I also have a life and friends so wouldn’t need to read lies.

            And you are fleckman

          • FatParosite

            Block the moron Bishop $h1tstirrer…

      • Big Hairy Man

        Does anyone really accept Ashley & Co’s creative accounting as “facts”?

    • Leazes.

      Kevin is the young dopey brother eg ‘Clarko’, Big Sams Black and white army’, Wor Mongo’ and innumerable other etc.

      David is the Nasty one, Monkseaton and Fleckman

      and Brian is the dad he’s the senile ‘funlovingexpress’.

      If anyone has had reason top want to kill or maim or disfigure a poster in the last few years it highly likely that its a member of this family.

      • TheFatController

        Families often have similar personality disorders – each family only needs one fall guy, the rest can prey on that fall guy and entrench their unique brand of dysfunction.

        Now you tell me they are all related, everything falls into place.

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          Wow, the collective thinkers of the Mag discussing the result of Jezza’s private investigator. It just need Jezza and Mickey Moose to complete the set.

          • TheFatController

            Every penny was spent on that PI, I heard, yes.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            The other theory is Jezza may be making this up and he’s a bit of a fantasist. Crazy theory, I know.

        • Leazes.

          They were always very protective of the younger one…. I think he may be simple!

      • Wezza

        Right, got you. Do these lot have some sort of personality disorder? What is it when you troll under multiple ID’s and assume a different identity? I call it very sad indeed.

        • Leazes.

          Well I’m not a medical practitioner but offhand I’d say they were loonatics.

      • FatParosite

        Now I’m just imagining them all in dungarees & wiping chicken fat from their hands as they type ‘This user is blocked.’

      • Ram Kishore

        I am on Probation to the Lee’s family list too. 😂😂
        Job well done ig 😅

  • X,WHY,Y MAN.

    Life is good for Mike Ashley at Newcastle United because the “Milksop” of a fan base have basically let him operate unhindered.
    Little to no pressure has been put on his so called leadership at the club with the so called fans putting money in his pocket constantly for over 10 years now !

    Is it any wonder that he will not leave ?

    • SuperDesHamilton

      Exactly. Fans have Stockholm syndrome

  • Rich Lawson

    Good grief Graham,have you run out of your own articles to rehash ?

    • Desree

      A debate on the comments on the comments on?

      It is sad. He come on here for the last 5 years, hoping, wishing for transfer news and this is what we get.

      • Rich Lawson

        He’s hopeless and never defends his posts,I’m starting to believe Leazes that he’s not a real person and only exists as a computer programme ?

        • Leazes.

          He’s never come on to defend the accusations because they’re true!

          I didn’t cotton on until late on when the daft beggar started trying to do mathematics which never made any sense, and then ‘Smithfield’ (that’s an unusual name) made the same errors which was strange, then I looked at all of the surnames of the regular writers and realised they were names originating at the other end of the country, so it was odds on they are all pen names by someone who didn’t realise the likelihood of that happening was…..nil.

          Few of the names have social media, or Linkedin profiles…. some are genuine though, then Simon Van der Velde came up and under his real name and everything clicked…. here was a writer Newcastle based who’s political leaning is the same as Porter and Smithfield…. how is it you say ‘bingo’…. lestrade I have your man!

          • FatParosite

            I just looked up to see if June Sarpong had died then I realised it’s a typo in your comment Leazes…..

          • Leazes.

            Sorry…it must have come as a great shock.

          • FatParosite

            It did….. I thought Ryder had nobody left to look up to….

          • Rich Lawson

            The former wrestler/Mayor is occassionaly entertaining (nobody is going to argue with him face to face tho’) as for Sarpong I’d say she was up for a Pulitzer compared to the woeful Stacey Dooley ?

        • Mark Andrews

          Why did you drag leazes into this? Have I missed something ?

          • Leazes.

            I think you’ve misread it!

          • Mark Andrews

            Yeah you’re right I’ve misread it! Doh!

        • Ram Kishore

          A computer programme? Lol did he ever say that.. i have seen him posting comments as that they are same people under different pen names..

  • MichaelMaximusMoose

    The Mugpie is starting to do my head in,
    i don`t usually block but it`s coming to that as the guy`s stark raving mad

    • Leazes.

      Do you think Simon quotes him in order to annoy?

      • FatParosite

        I guess so…. although I’m sure in his head he will see it as balance….

    • TheFatController

      You give him too much credit. Enjoy his madness. I do.

      Also, modern terminology is personality disorder. Madness has a romanticism about it, and there’s nothing romantic about Mugpie

    • Wezza

      Just block him it is so much nicer not seeing him regurgitate the ‘every penny’ lie as if he thinks it is the gospel truth. One of Kevin Lee’s alter egos made to make him feel better about himself.

    • Monkseaton Magpies

      I always post honest comments and the last two sets of accounts showed that all the money was spent. People block me because I state correct facts but can not be popular with everyone. On a brighter note got three more season tickets today in the North West Corner Upper.

      • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

        Not L7?

        • Monkseaton Magpies

          That’s where I was next to the away fans but that area is now match by match basis only. Think the club will eventually make it for away fans and all the away down to the pitch which will mean moving again.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            The best seats seem to be at the far end of the east Stand. Otherwise, not much is available.

      • Big Hairy Man

        Steady on! There’ll be no tickets left for anyone else.

    • Mark Andrews

      Oh God ! You’ve set him off again! Going on about accounts and season tickets again !

  • Leicester Mag

    Warning dead horse being flogged. 🐴🐴☠☠

  • Leicester Mag

    To paraphrase the bible the Premier League givith (and the fans) and Ashley taketh away.

  • Dillon Tovak

    They’ve brought in these “debate” articles because so many people have blocked The Mags stooges/trolls, so this is a way to get around the blocks.

    This site has some good things about it but is becoming pretty pathetic.