Sunderland fans have been clutching onto pretty thin straws since their double bottom spot relegations.

Just for information/entertainment purposes, I occasionally look on Mackem message boards and social media to see what they’re having to say.

There is a lot of bravado when talking about the Premier League, a lot of comments about being sick of the whole PL thing, such as the greedy players, the ticket prices, lack of competition and so on. Sunderland fans claiming they are happy to be out of it all for some time etc etc.

I suppose they will now start to claim they were sick of the whole Championship thing, the greedy players, ticket prices etc…

There is also a tendency amongst the Mackems to claim pretty much anything as a victory over Newcastle, no matter how trivial or questionable.

This includes now supposedly having better owners than Newcastle United because they are interacting with them, giving interviews to all kinds of media, including fan websites and podcasts. The two new owners saying seemingly anything to try and convince their new fans, including embarrassingly slagging off Newcastle in one interview with a fan website and saying they had always disliked them blah blah blah.

The interviews/comments have been a success in selling season tickets and the Mackems are very proud that around 20,000 are reported to have been sold already, claimed to be a possible record in the third tier, obviously something Newcastle have never had a chance of doing…

Funnily enough, the comments last season saw an overwhelming number of Sunderland fans claiming credit for not going to games, as some kind of supposedly principled stand against rotten owner Ellis Short, as opposed to stopping away simply because they were rubbish and no longer in the Premier League. Funnily enough, this is the same Ellis Short who was willing to write off massive losses after investing a fortune in the club that was wasted by successive managers, Short even allowing the new owners to pay the £40m asking price in instalments over two years.

Bizarrely, Sunderland fans even claim that their flat pack characterless stadium is better than right in the middle of the city centre nineteenth century established St James Park. I would be very interested to know how many neutrals would go along with that claim.

A Mackem friend of mine has now sent me this below, Sunderland fans claiming they are ‘loyalty system’ cup winners over Newcastle United.

From Sunderland fan site Roker Report:

It isn’t great but at least Sunderland have a better loyalty system than Newcastle!

The loyalty points system we have isn’t perfect, but count yourself lucky… Newcastle fans have it a lot worse than we do. Have you got something to say?

Dear Roker Report,

Can you ask Stewart Donald next time he’s on your Podcast about the loyalty points system?

I’m a season ticket holder and have been for 19 years (and through all the bad times), and I was never in doubt about renewing this season. I have a young family so I can’t get to away games, but I am at the SOL for every home game. However I get no loyalty points, nor does my dad or son for that loyalty over all these years.

So when we get to Wembley or a ‘good away game’ comes up a ‘new’ season ticket holder who’s attended a couple of away games qualifies before me and my family – how can that be right?

My son is older now and this season I’d like to go to Accrington Stanley, but have no chance as the loyalty scheme at present doesn’t qualify me.

Why am I not rewarded for my continuous loyalty? Surely as a long standing season ticket holder my loyalty points should reflect that, and should I choose to attend an away game I should stand a good chance of getting a ticket.

What do you think?

Quenton Carr

Ed’s Note:

We’ve had loads of letters recently about this subject and I think that the one thing you can say about it is that there’s absolutely no way that the club can keep everyone happy. Changing the loyalty system around will upset someone, and unfortunately for that reason I can’t see it being altered in your favour.

It could be worse, of course. At Newcastle they don’t quash loyalty points, meaning that fans who accrued them as long as fifteen years ago still have the ability to get tickets over fans who are just starting out. At least the current system encourages new supporters to attend away games and doesn’t allow fans who travelled away years ago to hold power over those that have significantly less than they do.’

An interesting one, as the supporter writing in wants credit for going to home games and having a season ticket for so long, yet the reply from the Sunderland fans site slags off the idea of Newcastle fans getting credit for going to away games years ago.

Forgetting about the pettiness of the Sunderland fans, the Newcastle United away tickets loyalty scheme has been debated often.

Yes, older fans with a lot of away games in the bank are at an advantage over younger supporters but there is no ideal way.

The facts as well are that whilst Newcastle sell out pretty much every away game, most matches last season still went down to zero points eventually, meaning any season ticket holder could get a ticket.

What has to be taken into account as well, is that in general younger fans have more time and opportunity to get to away games, as opposed to those of us with mortgages, partners, kids….so over a few seasons you could easily build up a fair few points by going to the less glamorous lower demand matches, meaning you get up to a decent level of being able to get tickets for bigger games easier.

The bottom line as well, is that if you are determined enough then you can normally get a ticket eventually for any match.

On this occasion though I am happy for Sunderland fans to hold the ‘loyalty system’ cup and best of luck in getting a ticket for the season’s big game at Accrington Stanley!

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  • TheFatController

    The asking price from Ellis Short wasn’t £40m? I thought they needed £40m to cover the outstanding transfer fees owing over next two seasons.

    Ellis Short just gave up on everything was my understanding, but wouldn’t cover those outstanding debts?

    • Monkseaton Magpies

      Ellis Short has paid off all the debt but wats forty million to cover these debts which were over £100m. The parachute payments are a security that he gets his money. So far Ellis Short has been paid £5m and they have two years to pay the rest.

      • TheFatController

        So in effect he’s loaning the club £40m for outstanding debts and wants it back over two years ?

  • Paul Patterson

    “Just for information/entertainment purposes, I occasionally look on Mackem message boards and social media to see what they’re having to say.”

    In future- don’t. Find something better to do .

  • Dillon Tovak

    The competition for the Dumbest Article Awards is really heating up.

    • JonMag

      that award will always to to the boys at the chron, mainly Ryder

  • Tino11

    Just when you thought it was safe to read The Mag for a couple of days without a mackem article……

    • JonMag

      one of them has 2 heads, so there isn`t 3. compliments of leazes

  • Peaky

    Sick of the fuc*ing sight of those three knobheeds up top….please give it a rest.
    😡😡😡

    • JonMag

      1 of them has 2 heads so there isn`t 3, compliments of leazes

      • TheFatController

        Zaphod Beeblebrox? Or johnny Knoxville MIB II?

    • Kneebotherm8

      What wi’ them and that geeky Moyesy photo……😂😂

      • Peaky

        😂😂
        Plug from The Beano….

        • Kneebotherm8

          That’s the one….😂😂😂😂

  • Callum

    If you need to start a article by attempting to justify what your about to write heres a tip, STOP!

  • Leazes.

    Well there’s a debate for you….

    …. .’which club is more worthy of the title….’the People’s Club’?

    … Its not us ……I’ll tell you that for nowt, if you know anything about the history of United….and that’s one of the big problems here.

    In fact its been the problem here which has set the modus operandi of failure. United are the antithesis of a people’s club, frequently in conflict with the City fathers in its past, the treatment of its fans, and the abdication of ambition are symptoms of a hierarchical club, this isn’t Celtic or Barcelona, Liverpool or flaming Manure who in my opinion are ‘peoples clubs’… or should I say ‘were’ up until recent events.

    Now with this owner the notion of a ‘Football Club’ amounts to nothing he’s turned Robson’s ‘What is a club’ soliloquy on its head!

    He’s saying I’m the owner you are a customer if you want…. this is the product take it or leave it….

    Even bloody Shepherd payed some heed to the City and fans!

  • Monkseaton Magpies

    There are a number of issues raised here. First of all when Newcastle got to Wembley the system for getting a ticket was that you had to be a season ticket holder and have attended home cup games. I think the club picked four cup games you had to have attended from four games in both cups. With regard to games like Accrington Stanley it is right that someone who goes to every away game gets one over some one who never goes in their life. As for Sunderland selling twenty thousand season tickets that is correct but for adults it’s £13.00 pounds a game, u22 £6.00 pounds a game and under 18 £3.50 a game so similar to South Shields and Gateshead. This is a three year deal so they will have massive cash flow problems if they go up. What you will find like last year many will not attend. Newcastle have the best loyalty scheme as those with the most points get the tickets.

  • X,WHY,Y MAN.

    I always find it funny that they constantly bang on about overweight Newcastle fans wearing Greggs gravy stained replica shirts etc
    Has the information not got through to them yet that statistically people in Sunderland are more overweight than people in Newcastle ?

  • Liam Hogg

    Who cares about a league 1 teams loyalty point system other than the said club for God’s sake?! 😴😴😴

    • Peter C

      Exactly!

  • Toon

    You have done a great job, congratulations. To write an article so poor, weak and more embarrassing then Porter or Hepworth’s scrawled attempts is some achievement. Hoping this is just another sad click bait article and not what you actually believe

  • Proppaboots

    What a prat…….write about Newcastle United and it’s many issues instead of Makem tit for tat playground stuff.
    It’s clowns like yourself who give proper supporters a bad name.