Safe standing in the Premier League and Championship will now be debated in Parliament on 25 June.

This follows and excellent fan-led campaign and a successful petition to the UK government, which was signed by over 110,000 people.

If such a petition does gather 100,000 signatures or more, then it has to be considered for debate in Parliament.

This doesn’t mean that safe standing is likely to arrive any time soon in the Premier League (and Championship) but it is an important step in helping to push the campaign along, with a proper public debate ensuring that the overwhelming arguments in favour of it, are aired to more people, as well as hopefully convincing more politicians that this is something that their constituents want to happen.

Last month the Government announced there were no plans to change the all-seater policy, when rejecting West Brom’s bid to host a safe-standing trial.

The West Brom scheme would have meant 3,600 seats in the Smethwick End would have been converted to ‘rail seats’ – which can be locked in an upright position.

The whole thing is ridiculous and pretty much every match in the Premier League and Championship you see many supporters, especially away ones, standing in areas only designed for sitting, which is far more dangerous.

Bringing in safe standing would not be a return to the days of the terracing that older supporters remember, with crowd surges down the terracing, and far too many fans ending up in certain sections, leading to overcrowding and potential danger of harm.

In Germany the safe standing, especially the rail seats, have been used for years with no extra safety worries, Borussia Dortmund for example are the best supported club in Europe and they have massive terraces with fans standing safely.

I think fans also need to remember when deciding whether to support the idea, it is not a case of whether YOU want to stand personally – but rather that supporters should have the choice of whether to do so.

Many of us who used to love the terraces but wouldn’t fancy the idea of 30 or so years on standing for a couple of hours or more, should still back those who do want to do so. Especially younger fans who are desperate to experience better atmospheres in the top divisions once again.

Many clubs and prominent figures in football, such as Arsene Wenger, have fully supported the idea of safe standing, but Newcastle United have so far refused to do so, saying they are keeping a ‘neutral’ stance.

Scottish football operates under different laws/jurisdiction and a successful trial of safe standing at Celtic has already happened without any major negative issues.

Standing is allowed in League One and League Two and indeed the likes of Burton have had fans standing on three sides of the ground at Championship games these past two seasons, after being given special dispensation before having to put in all seats.

Standing is routinely allowed at Rugby League and Rugby Union matches, which will often have bigger crowds than many Championship clubs, or even the likes of Bournemouth in the Premier League.

Another inconsistency could see Shrewsbury promoted to the Championship this season and they already have bought rail seating which will be installed this summer, whilst West Brom could end up in the same division having been refused permission for even a trial.

If it was a case of returning to something similar to the old style terracing, in any way, then I think people raising concerns would have at least some credibility with objections.

However, using the rail seating is totally different and safe, much safer than the situation at the moment which is the reality, where tens of thousands of fans stand anyway in the top two divisions.



  • MichaelMaximusMoose

    Forcing a debate & getting a result are 2 different things, i think there`s no chance of going back to standing.

  • Geordiegiants

    It’s just another case of PC. Yes the good old days, or bad as they are being described these days were what it was all about, I’m in my 40’s now and would love to stand in the corner again.

    • MichaelMaximusMoose

      Back in the day my Dad was always in the Gallowgate end,
      so it wasn`t Leazes that pi $$ed on his legs.

      πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

    • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

      It was fun and I always stood but we’ve had our own uncomfortable times. The one that stuuck with me was a midweek away game at the Dell, the police were relevent to open a spare pen next to saints fans but fans were climbing the fences just to get some relief.

    • Albert Stubbins

      The Leazes next to the away fans for me. Loved it just loved it. Or right at back of scoreboard!! Love that one more time but alas. Lol

      • Jezza

        I was always in the corner.

  • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

    Much as I’d like to see some standing, I just can’t see MPs taking the risk. One incident that gets blown up will cause a backlash.

    There are mixed reports on how this affects capacity. It’s likely to be the same price to stand as sit.

    I’d guess at SJP the SS areas would be the corners, part of the away section and maybe the back of the Gallowgate.

  • Albert Stubbins

    Never happen under a Tory government. It was them who implemented the Taylor report so I cannot see them ever changing.

    • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

      Silly party political point there. It would have been irresponsible of any government not to implement the main proposals of the report.

      I would be very surprised if Liebour MPs unanimously vote in favour of sfe standing. The Merseyside MPs will be very nervous as it’s an emotional issue there.

      Taking party politics out of it, it’s a lose-lose for MPs to vote. I’m not sure if there is a massive appetite for it amongst the clubs. perhaps the away ends would be split with SS and seats but clubs have spend millions on having new stadia designed for the sight lines of seating. To spend more money for SS, they can;t charge more to stand than to sit so where is the benefit to clubs?

      • Albert Stubbins

        Wasn’t making a political point just stating facts. All the political parties have proven to be shyte in the last thirty years. Now that’s a political point!!

        • Jezza

          Don’t feed the troll, marra. Don’t accept his double standards and hypocrisy either. He himself is notoriopus for his relentless pro Tory, anti Labour comments on this forum.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            NOt pro-Tory but yes, anti-Labour, however, in this case it’s not going to be a party political argument. I suspect a lot of Labour MP’s on Merseyside or in woolly-back (atct) constituencies will find it difficult to back such an idea.

            Double standards? Hypocrisy? Oh Jezza, you blocked me because you can’t cope with debate and you welshed on paying Altheimers’ Society their dues after our charity bet.

          • Leazes.

            I think he’s further to the right than the Tory party I remember once he said he hated taxation because he didn’t believe in society… just individual rights to freedom of exploitation without taxation as an infringement of liberty. His dad ‘funlovingexpress'(sic) is a racist who carries diseased genes and has passed them to both sons the moron Clarko included.

          • Jezza

            Interesting to know. There is no question that those two brothers are both very troubled individuals.

        • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

          The Taylor Report recommended that all top division stadiums in England and Scotland phase out their concrete terraces and become all-seater with the removal of perimeter fencing. It would have been political suicide to ignore this, it’s not a conservative v Labour v Lib Dem v UKIP thing.

          Much as I think SS will be a positive thing, I can understand why MP’s of all colours may be resistant to changing something that has worked pretty well.

    • Martin Rooney

      Never happen under a labour govt and remember it was a Geordie who made this recommendation/decision.

      • Albert Stubbins

        Aye justice Taylor. I believe if it does happen it will be a labour gov. as it then won’t look like hypocrisy and a massive climb down. Saying that it will be at least another generation before it is realised as there are clearly a lot of people still alive who were effected by that fateful day.

  • Billmag

    Standing in the Gallowgate end on a freezing December day getting soaked and the wind hitting the back of your head, watching some of the player’s who masqueraded as footballers, the modern fan doesn’t know they are born.

    • Jezza

      On the contrary, we never realised just how lucky we were back in those days. The whole match day experience was so much better when you walked up to the ground, handed over a couple of Pound notes at the turnstiles and stood on an uncovered terrace and peered through a steel mesh fence to watch 11 honest triers on 150 quid a week. There was just something magical about it. The atmosphere at home games with a mere 20,000 in those days was infinitely better than anything you ever get at the modern day all seated, all covered St James’s Park with 52,000.

      • Billmag

        Facilities Jezza there’s just no comparison between now and then. Yes watching a Dinnis or a McGarry side in the cold and rain was fantastic Jezza πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ it’s a good job us Geordie’s are strong willed fan’s.

        • Jezza

          There was just something about the match day experience back then that you just don’t get now. It was real, you got easy going banter with fellow fans, everybody was more freindly and open to chatting with complete strangers around to them, there was a more light hearted and spontaneous feeling about the ground and people just seemed happier and more up for having a good laugh at the matches no matter how bad our team were. You just don’t get any of that any more in the all glass and plastic steralised monstrosity that is St James’s Park today. Forget facilities, it’s the atmosphere that is all important.

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            “easy going banter”, since when can you cope with “easy going banter”, did you block people on the terraces?

          • Albert Stubbins

            Standing with your ( young back then) pals full of ale and testosterone. Doesn’t get any better than that mate!!

      • cc

        this wont be a full blooded debate it merely ensures it gets discussed like the many other petitions that hit the 100k mark.
        a select group of MPs will discuss this in a committee room far away from the chamber, consider and pass on it.
        as for safe standing myself personally would love to see it in some form, those mcgarry teams and dinnis before him were terrible but the whole time was more magical with a smaller more passionate crowd,
        too many today just see it as a day out and go out of habit

        • Jezza

          You are spot on about the passion. A large section of today’s huge crowds just don’t feel it the way we did back in the day, they don’t bleed black and white the way we used to. We used to get 20,000 supporters at games and the atmospohere was electric now we get 52,000, of which a large section are spectators, and the atmosphere is non existent.

          • Albert Stubbins

            I’m proud to say I was one of the 20,000 as were many other lads on here. Happiest and saddest days of my life. It really was life and death for me back then. Sad but true.

          • Jezza

            I know exactly what you mean. Everything stopped for Newcastle. Work, friends, relationships all went by the wayside. It was obsessive. You could never miss a match home or away. Great days but as you say a bit sad too looking back.

          • Albert Stubbins

            It took the birth of my kids to (slightly) change my outlook. Maybe that’s what they mean by growing up? God I’m glad I’m not so obsessed nowadays. Maybe I’ve got fatty to thank after all. Lol lol

          • Jezza

            I started a business at the start of the 90’s and Saturday was my busy trading day. That’s what snapped me out of it.

          • Albert Stubbins

            Have a like. I’m welling up here!!

    • Albert Stubbins

      Heaven you mean?

  • Mrkgw

    Save our seats! Who in their right mind wants standing? Stood there, and then some ten foot tall plank comes and obscures the view (I’m around 5ft10). Who wants that!

    • Jezza

      Most of us who were there back in the days of terraces, that’s who.

      • Mrkgw

        I stood back in the day too though Jezza and yep, knew no different and enjoyed it. Absolutely. But, the view is better from a seat. I do acknowledge though, that the atmosphere has dulled in recent years. Would standing really bring back the atmosphere though?

        • Martin Rooney

          So it sit in the seats, no one is asking for all standing stadia?

        • Jezza

          The atmosphere will never be what it was back in the 70’s and 80’s but safe standing would definitely bring a big improvement.

      • Leazes.

        I don’t think I could stand for two hours now, fair enough if its the young ones but there should be an age limit of 25 as there’s nothing so ugly as a sixty year old born again hooligan.

        • Jezza

          I don’t equate terraces with hooliganism. That’s a bit of a blinkered stereotype to be truthfull. I used to love standing on the terraces in my youth in the 70’s and 80’s but I never went in for aggro at the matches. I actively avoided it in fact. I just loved the atmosphere of being stood there watching the match, the singing and chanting and laughs and banter with the lads around you and just the general shared team spirit you felt stood there with your fellow fans. I don’t get to many matches thses days but a return to some form of standing would definitely encourage me back.

    • Albert Stubbins

      Just move to the side a foot or so. Problem solved.