Sunderland are sinking fast.

That isn’t exactly headline news as it has been happening for the past two years.

In fact, even previous to that, the Mackems were only really clinging on by their fingertips to Premier League survival each season for years before that.

Often it was only the gift of points from Newcastle United that prevented them falling earlier.

Which brings us to the six in a row that Sunderland fans desperately cling to, like a very old and rank smelling comfort blanket that should really have been cast aside by now.

However, six is a handy number for the Wearsiders, as they won only six from 38 Premier League games last season, to officially be one of the very worst teams ever in the top tier.

Now with six wins from 42 Championship games, they are doing the same in the second tier, as they await final confirmation of their rapid journey to tier three.

Apart from the ‘six in a row’ mantra, I have noticed there is another increasingly used defensive default mechanism the Sunderland supporters are using in their current predicament.

To try and dilute how useless their club/team are and their fast disappearing support, the Mackems are coming out with something along these lines…

‘Yes we are useless and heading to League One BUT reality is that both Newcastle and Sunderland just make up the numbers in the Premier League. Has been that way for ages. So what if we are in the Championship or League One because even if we were in the Premier League we’d stand no chance of doing anything, same as Newcastle. FTM FTM etc etc….’

Sadly, I have noticed on various message boards and social media, many Newcastle fans actually agreeing with this line of thinking, well apart from the ‘FTM’ bit.

Yes, the fans of the two clubs can argue about who has the most prestigious history up to the mid-fifties…but modern history tells a very different story.

Certainly if you are talking about the Premier League era, these past 26 seasons, it is laughable to try and say the two north east clubs have been operating at the same kind of level.

Newcastle had PL finishes of 3rd, 6th, 2nd and 2nd under Kevin Keegan (and Dalglish with the last one), 4th, 3rd and 5th under Sir Bobby, even under the Ashley/Pardew combination we enjoyed a fifth place finish. It is actually 1954/55, 63 years ago, since Sunderland finished in the top six of the top tier.

The best the Mackems have managed was a couple of seventh places in 1999/2000 and 2000/01, Newcastle managed seventh even in a season where Souness attempted to wreck the club and Glenn Roeder (with Alan Shearer as assistant) took over in Feb 2006, coming with a stunning late run to finish top seven.

In this 26 year period, Newcastle have had 11 European campaigns (not counting purely Intertoto adventures), in both the Champions League and UEFA Cup/Europa League.

This has included:

1996/97 Quarter-Finals of UEFA Cup

1997/98 Group stage of Champions League

2002/03 Just failed to get past the second group stage of Champions League

2003/04 UEFA Cup semi-finals

2004/05 UEFA Cup quarter-finals

2012/13 Europa League quarter-finals

I don’t need to remind you of Sunderland’s European ‘involvement’ in this time period.

As for players, Newcastle fans have watched Shearer, Ferdinand, Beardsley, Given, Woodgate, Ginola, Lee, Speed, Dyer, Bellamy, Robert, Cole, Kluivert, Albert, Solano and many others.

When you hear Sunderland fans, Kevin Phillips and Niall Quinn is about as good as it has got.

Even the likes of Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Tiote, Coloccini arguably proved in 2011/12 that they were a class above whatever Sunderland have had in the Premier League era.

Nobody pretends it will be easy to get back to the days of KK and SBR but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

I’m sure most Newcastle fans of any kind of age/experience still believe that, you only have to take inspiration from Leicester in 2015/16, or to an extent a well-ran Everton who managed to hang around the top six when Moyes was there, or Tottenham who have gradually established themselves in recent times.

You can even look at that fifth place finish under Pardew and what could have been possible if that had been built on, rather than squandered by Mike Ashley and his minions.

Newcastle fans have often been ridiculed simply for saying in this disastrous Ashley era what could be possible at NUFC if things were done differently, which then the media and many rival fans have been happy to deliberately misconstrue as Newcastle supporters thinking they have a right to be up near the top.

We, as Newcastle fans, know a good manager or player when we see one, because we have seen them before.

We know Rafa Benitez can definitely be put in the same bracket of potential as Kevin Keegan and Sir Bobby Robson before him with their achievements.

There might not be any Shearers or Beardsleys in this squad at the minute but we can see a boatload of potential in Jamaal Lascelles, whilst the likes of Shelvey and one or two others have the look of top six players if finding consistency at their best levels.

When it comes to support, the reality is that Newcastle United are a different level as well.

Getting a 51,000+ average in the Championship is unbelievable and don’t let anybody tell you different.

Sunderland fans are keen to say that results have driven their crowds down to around the 15,000 mark but even from the very first day of the season, against relatively attractive opposition in promotion favourites Derby, they couldn’t get thirty thousand in the ground (including 3,000 or so Derby fans).

Yes we still haven’t won anything but Newcastle United ARE capable of being competitors at the right end if everything comes together.

If you don’t believe that then you must be a Mackem…

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  • Paul Patterson

    Wouldn’t waste my time on them . .

  • Peaky

    Good late comeback by Chelsea….looking bleaker by the week for Southampton.

    • Paul Patterson

      I’d rather see Palace go down though . .

      • Peaky

        At the start of the season part of my wish list was Palace,Swansea & Everton to go down…

        • MichaelMaximusMoose

          watch Clarko take off πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

  • Clarko

    “β€˜Yes we are useless and heading to League One BUT reality is that both Newcastle and Sunderland just make up the numbers in the Premier League. Has been that way for ages. So what if we are in the Championship or League One because even if we were in the Premier League we’d stand no chance of doing anything, same as Newcastle. FTM FTM etc etc….’

    Sadly, I have noticed on various message boards and social media, many Newcastle fans actually agreeing with this line of thinking, well apart from the β€˜FTM’ bit.”

    I don’t know what social media you’re reading. Renders the article as pointless, if you want to take jabs at Sunderland, just take the jabs, don’t try and justify it by spouting that drivel.

    • Paul Patterson

      I find it concerning that some Newcastle fans look on mackem message boards. I’ve better things to do with my time . .

      • Clarko

        Has nothing to do with my comment.

        • Paul Patterson

          And . .

          • Clarko

            You’re replying to my comment moron.

          • glassjawsh-got-banned

            “all replies must be up to my exacting standards” – Comment Constable Clarko

          • Clarko

            No, they must be relevant moron.

          • glassjawsh-got-banned

            you’re a kn0b. how’s that for relevant?

          • Clarko

            “He’s made me look like a moron again, sh!t, I know, I’ll call him a ‘kn0b’, that will work”

            Dummy.

          • Paul Patterson

            Just ignore him. He just reverts to insults for no reason.

          • Paul Patterson

            I was making a comment on your comment regardless of how linked to your comment it was. And there’s no need for insults.

          • Clarko

            And your comment was irrelevant to my comment, I don’t want to see something in my notifications that is irrelevant, go and make your stupid, irrelevant comment somewhere else next time you moron.

      • comment

        It’s fun

    • MichaelMaximusMoose

      try penning something constructive instead of schyte all the time
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      • Clarko

        Oh the hypocrisy.

        • MichaelMaximusMoose

          Gotcha
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          • Clarko

            “I’ve been made to look like a moron again, I’ll say ‘gotcha’, that will make it look better”

            Moron.

      • comment

        Maximus bs

    • comment

      Not jabs just reality that you need to accept your level

  • Toon

    The fact you feel the need to compare the two clubs players, positions etc says it all. Who actually cares!? The fact is you have β€˜bitten’ and this write up makes you look stupid, sorry!

  • Leazes.

    Mathew…. we are cannon fodder…… just not shrapnel like the Mac-n-tacs!

    • comment

      Your a sour daft fan who can’t accept

      • Leazes.

        ….go on…… end of sentence?

        • comment

          Are you near the end or your sentence?

          • Leazes.

            You can’t leave half a sentence it just isn’t right.

  • shellington

    It’s like comparing Newcastle to Hartlepools or York, Sunderland are staring the trap door to oblivion in the face.

    Any fan who thinks they will be coming back from this is delusional. They can keep their 6 in a row and stick it where the sun don’t shine, we know for a fact the club wasn’t even trying in those derbies, if they met the current fully commited Benitez squad they’d get humped about 10-0.

    • Leazes.

      I see they’re losing 1-0

      • shellington

        For about 5 minutes back there they were actually bottom, Mitro might not be needed to put them out their misery at this rate.

  • comment

    Hartlepool v Sunderland that would be like a new derby…Be nice to see …Come on the pool!!

    • TheFatController

      But harsh not to mention Gateshead there …?

      • Peter Graham

        Can you imagine the Heed vs Scum? They’d need to build an extra tier all around to fit us all in. What a hoot that would be.πŸ˜‚

  • Wor Monga

    No true Geordie would look on a mackem web-site to see what sh*te they were coming out with…why?…when you can just look at their regular postings on this one…

    …for nearly 10yrs they stood on the trap door to oblivion, and in that time the Toon helped them out with points donations, because we felt sorry for them, and even awarded them an annual derby to boost their meagre finances…but like all good things it had to come to an end, when we selflessly took the drop for them, last season in the manner of a true heroic football club that would sacrifice it’s own TV money…for it’s weaker, more limited, dysfunctional neighbour…

    …but what did they do in return for this great club that had laid down it’s own PL future that they might survive the double drop?…they danced, partied, made stupid banners, and puerile home videos telling us how much superior they felt they were, and could live easily without the 6 points that we donated to them, every year…

    …In truth, we all know that they didn’t deserve to be a PL team…they had a succession of bad players, bad managers, and bad supporters…in a town that was only on the map because it was situated near the football capital of the North East…our own very dear Newcastle-Upon-Tyne!!!

  • Mayor Vaughn

    HUSSAR!!

    • shellington

      Maxim double bottom? I wonder if there’s any team managed to be relegated bottom twice in successive years? Need to get down the bookies for that one.

      Come on Burton!

      • Mark Potter

        12 teams have been relegated from the 1st to the 3rd tiers in successive seasons during the entire history of English football. Only one team – Wolves – has done this twice. Wolves were the most recent, in 2013 and followed Swindon as the only teams to do it during the Premiership era. Wolves and Swindon were both bottom of the Premiership, but neither were bottom of the Championship when they were relegated.

        Many teams have been relegated twice, from Premiership to League One, but not in successive seasons, such as Leeds, Blackpool, Norwich, Blackburn.

        If Sunderland end up bottom of the Championship it will be a record in the Premiership era, for a team to be twice relegated as bottom in two successive seasons.

  • Delta Echo

    I can understand, without appreciating, all the animosity between the two clubs and to a lesser extent with Middlesborough as well, but wouldn’t it be better if all three north east clubs were PL top six material? I would really like to see that at some point …. the northeast giants, dominating domestically and regularly at last 16 stage in the Champions League!

    • nufcslf

      Should very much be the case and no reason we shouldn’t have a Manchester situation. The support is there, the tv money is there, the ownership is a hundred miles away.

    • Scottie Chugger Dearden

      Very true, here we are fighting amongst ourselves and the rest of the country laughs at us!

    • Scottie Chugger Dearden

      As hypocritical as this sounds there is still a part of me that would like Mitro to score the goal that puts the final nail in the coffin!
      I remember their picture of Mitro with the quote what is a Button Albion, well they might be able to answer that one for him soon!

  • Albert Stubbins

    Even Peyta reyde couldn’t save this sorry bunch now!! Pity like.

  • nufcslf

    Don’t really give a sh*t about the mackems plight. Do think they should be very careful about fat gobs and the stroll that it will be in that little Championship league. Not looking quit so clever at the minute. As for us, the last 11 years under fatty has all but killed my love of football in general. He needs to well and truly f**k off before I will ever be 100% behind our cause. Rafa and the player’s have made it worth supporting of late and all the credit in the world to them, but you just know the fat c**t is waiting in the background to destroy all the good that has been done. Very much of the mind it will be another 3 points tomorrow as Arsenal are there to be beaten like Leicester last week. Over to Rafa and the lads.

  • Dillon Tovak

    Pointless article. You’re telling a load of Newcastle fans we’re better than Sunderland. No πŸ’© πŸ•΅οΈβ€β™‚οΈ

    • Peaky

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  • Philippines

    Gawd, how do people stay awake long enough to write this sort of stuff?

  • Scottie Chugger Dearden

    There are a small minority of Nufc fans out there that do need to read this though! Sad thing is they’ll be back one day and this period in their history will never have happened etc. The one I used to hate was we finished 2nd twice and we were monumental failures,they finished 7th and were victims of their own success!

    • shellington

      They won’t be back from this, League 1 and about a 100 million in debt do not comebacks make.

      Bigger clubs than Sunderland have sunk never to return.

      • Joseph Burton

        such as?

        • Paul Patterson

          Blackburn Rovers.

          • Gianfranco Shola

            Blackburn will be back soon enough at least to the championship, I suspect Sunderland as well once they get their act together.

          • Mark Potter

            The nearest to this situation in modern times was Leeds. They didn’t get relegated in two successive seasons, and as their financial situation deteriorated they went into administration before the season ended, so they would take the 10 points penalty in the Championship (and guarantee relegation) rather than start the next season in League One with -10 points.

            If Sunderland get relegated, they have not only performed worse than Leeds, then the financial risk is that administration and the 10 points deduction will come in League One. It might not be enough to take them down again, to League Two, but certainly means promotion becomes almost impossible in that season. They will also have to sell nearly all their players, even give many free transfers just to reduce their wage bill. They might come back to the Championship after a few years, but, as Leeds show, getting out of the Championship without the benefit of Premiership parachute payments is very difficult.

          • Gianfranco Shola

            I think you’re right but I’m general most big clubs will find their way back to the top division even if it takes 10 or 20 years, being a big club will always be a pull for better players and better managers for example a player would rather sign for Blackburn in league 1 as opposed to a Walsall (no disrespect to them)

        • shellington

          Forest, Leeds, Sheffield Wedensday?

        • grantham mag

          Gateshead, Acrington Stanley.

    • Peter Graham

      I remember a sad Mackem a couple of years back on Talksport recalling the 2 seventh place finishes under ‘Reidy’ as ‘The Glory Years’ and we’re deluded?? Hope they rot in hell for eternity.

  • TheNutJob

    nowt of interest today then apart from Tornado GR4`s launching storm shadow cruise missiles all over the shop in Syria.

    • Peaky

      The sun come oot for a bit down here…

      • TheNutJob

        Mitro`s just scored again

        • Leicester Mag

          Can’t believe he’s on loan and Hos remains in the stable

          • Jezza

            That’s because Hos isn’t costing 60 grand a week or fattening up his transfer fee for a big summer sale.

          • TheNutJob

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          • Leicester Mag

            Paying 20K a week to a Muppet who can’t play is hardly sensible economics. Get the point regarding the transfer, Mr Creosote must be salivating at the thought

          • Jezza

            It all comes down to money with Fatso. Mitrovic was sent out on loan for two reasons: To knock 60 grand a week off the wage bill and to be put in the shop window for a summer transfer. You are spot on Fatso must be creaming himself at the way it’s worked out. Every goal that Mitro bangs in for Fulham is another million quid that will never be re-invested in the Newcastle playing squad.

          • Mark Potter

            So not because Mitro wanted to leave (to get pre-WC playing time), nor because the manager wanted him to leave (because he doesn’t suit our style of play)?

            Both parties have stated this several times. To ignore what they say and claim something else is either wilful ignorance or lies.

      • Jezza

        I was out mountaineering on Kinder Scout in glorious sunshine.

        • Peaky

          Lovely at Kinder….haven’t been for a while….been really busy round my way this week with the schools been off.

          • TheNutJob

            you still at school then
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          • Peaky

            Not since 1981…..
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  • Hughie_Gallacher

    I have nothing against Sunderland but one thing I will never understand is their irrepressible bitterness toward all things Newcastle, something that seems to continue irrespective of how Sunderland are doing.

    I cite the horrible things said on RTG against Dawn Thewlis of BBC Look North for daring to be public about her affinity with NUFC, as if she were part of some global conspiracy against the Mackems.

    I suspect that, even if Sunderland won the Champions League (use your imagination), it wouldn’t make their fans any less sour.

  • Leicester Mag

    I’d suggest people watch Mitrovic and decide if he isn’t good enough. Just scored a top drawer goal, again.

    • TheFatController

      If he is we can keep him…

    • Desree

      I don’t support Fulham

    • Alreet

      Then either a recall or another 5 mill on his head

    • Guest 2

      So? Gayle netted 23 in the Championship – he’s on 5 in the PL. They both look better in a lower league, it’s a statistical fact.

      • Leicester Mag

        Gayles international record is ?

        • Geordiegiants

          Got nowt to do with it.

          • Leicester Mag

            ?? How do reckon on that?

          • Geordiegiants

            How is scoring goals in the premier league or championship got anything to do with international football? Would Gayle not get a game for a shyte international team?

          • Leicester Mag

            The shyte international team being one playing in the world cup finals. One I expect will do better than England while there Look you may not care for Mitro fine, but to castigate him when his international record is a goal every other game…

          • Geordiegiants

            Who against though, look how good he looks in the championship.

  • TheFatController

    I worry we won’t be laughing when they sing β€˜cheesy chips on Wembley Way’ as they contest the checkatrade trophy with Shola and Notts County.

    Failing that, the vanarama play off is also along Wembley Way.

    Food for thought …

  • TheNutJob

    Wolves promoted

    • TheFatController

      Fulham will have to beat the mackems now to have any chance of automatic promotion …

      • TheNutJob

        They`ll beat the Mackems but i think it`s the playoffs for them

        • glassjawsh-got-banned

          with the top 4 and bottom 3 locked the way they are the most interesting thing about this season’s premier league might be the championship play-offs. Fulham, Villa, Boro and Millwall (wtf?).

          • TheNutJob

            be some good games

  • Fisherking

    The scum keep going on about 6 in a row it doesn’t bother me it took them 32 years for the filth to beat us

  • Desree

    We could have spent 50m when we finished 5th but pardew would have screwed it up.

  • Alreet

    Ha. Will they hurry up and get confirmed relegated. Its dragging like a wet fart leaving the room. The sooner the official party can start the better. Get out of the champ and better yet feel free to sod off out the football league.

    They have nothing. No fans. No identity. No form and soon no credible league.

    Leaves a very warm glow inside knowing that this stain and site of a town wont be in the public eye.

    RIP smegheads

    • Steve Smith

      Hoping they don’t get relegated too quickly. I’d like it to be a Mitrovic goal that sends them down.

      It would be poetic for them to get relegated by one of our players.

  • wheyayeman

    If Mitros goals simultaneously promote Fulham and Condemn 5under1and then I take it all back – he’s been worth every penny and he deserves a nice new contract and the number 9 shirt at the Toon for next season! πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ•Ί

    • Mark Potter

      He deserves a statue outside St James’ if he relegates them.

  • Andy Mac

    Knowing how bitter and twisted most makems are, remember they were the ones who created FTM’s badges and other paraphernalia rather than supporting their own club, I would almost guarantee they’d take relegation to league 1 in return for six in a row.

    Its almost as if they’ve made a pact with the Devil aka Fatman.

  • Paul Cannell

    sunderland have achieved the same as Newcastle in the Championship.
    both have got out of it at the first attempt .

    • Phil Yare

      definitely, congratulations are in order!

  • wheyayeman

    Can we chip in to fly a giant wooden spoon over the empty Stadium of Sh**e this year?

  • HarryHype59

    It wouldn’t surprise me if they emulated Portsmouth and end up in league 2. The club is rotten to the core.

  • Phil Yare

    not that any of us really care….but i think there main problem is there obsession with us, that’s certainly reflected in their derby record and they couldn’t find the same motivation to play anyone else.

    really they sold their whole identity when they cashed in the on roker housing estate to play in some plastic pit yacker wilderness
    they even copied our badge and give themselves a new nickname

    not that i care, but my advice would be go back to your roots and find some inspiration, after all a football season is more than 2 games