Lets all laugh at Sunderland… again and again and again and again.

*WARNING*

For any Newcastle fans out there who are bored of hearing about Sunderland, or ‘miss the derby’, then this is click away now time.

Sunderland have just been relegated to the third division of English football. So drink it in.

I have no sympathy for what is happening at Sunderland. This is a club that has been run into the ground over the past 10 years just as much as Mike Ashley has tried his best to do the same at Newcastle United.

Except there’s a difference.

The ‘take Sunderland into footballing and financial obscurity’ job wasn’t just masterminded by Ellis Short, which is what most Sunderland fans will argue. Sunderland fans will also argue that a club like theirs doesn’t deserve to be in League One next season, and to an extent they are correct.

Sunderland would be lucky enough to deserve a place in League Two if I am being honest. Their beautiful demise has been contributed as much by their own fans as it was by their American owner.

Where do we start?

This is a fan base who supported a known sex offender, got behind a self-confessed fascist as their manager, they chose entitlement, they based the success of their entire football club on beating Newcastle United in two one-off games every season, they have walked away from Sunderland FC, they have done nothing to support their club – instead standing by idly as their club dies before their eyes.

Now that I think about it, I don’t know whether it is funny or sad that Sunderland fans, like most other commentators, pundits and fans in the North East, have seen the obvious problems at the club coming for a long time. Yet they chose to do absolutely nothing as their club slowly died.

Of course there is the argument from some sections that it is good to have Sunderland in the Premier League, it is good for the region, good for Newcastle, and most importantly, good for jobs. Except, it’s just not true.

Newcastle don’t need Sunderland to exist in order to be a football club, in order to enjoy supporting our team. The region doesn’t need Sunderland football club to exist. Lets face it, give it another 10 years and I guarantee you that the kids and grandkids of those Sunderland fans now, will be Newcastle fans.

Anyway, if you really miss playing Sunderland, I will cross my fingers for you that our youth team gets to play their first team in the Checkatrade Trophy next season.

I agree with the jobs argument – however, maybe if Sunderland looked up the road to Tyneside, they would have seen what can happen when a support base gets behind their team. Perhaps if those fans could be bothered to go to the game, then they might have kept the top tier open at the SOL next season and jobs would be kept, or they might have just picked up a few more points to keep them safe. The apathy is incredible… or maybe they just didn’t care.

Maybe they just couldn’t get their hands on tickets to come and see Newcastle. They will likely argue otherwise…but they’re not to be trusted. After all, this is a club that has been in denial for a long long time.

What we are witnessing here is nothing of the unexpected, simply it is the result of when a Sunderland side is forced to live within their means just like every other club.

Ironically, beating Newcastle six times in a row probably contributed to their downfall as what the so-called famous ‘’6 in a row FTM” did, was for a short period during the middle and at the end of each season, was hide the embarrassment and disgrace that their football team was.

There is nowhere to hide for Sunderland.

The shame of the North East.

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  • Stitchingdragon

    Wow.

  • Phil

    Brutal article!! Love it!! Hahahahaha.

    Sunluns going down and the mags are staying up!!…….

  • Paul Patterson

    #mackemsneedsnookers #gettingoutofthechampionshipatthefirstattempt

  • Monkseaton Magpies

    There are many Newcastle fans on here who advocate staying away while Mike Ashley is in charge. That is what Sunderland fans did and it only made things worse.
    The main difference between Sunderland and Newcastle is that Ashley invested wisely when we went down twice. Certain fans on here hate Ashley but with out him we would be in a sorry state.

    • TheFatController

      Better to not be relegated in the first place.

      • HarryHype59

        Too true!

    • Guest 2

      Liar. Ashley didn’t invest. Both times he loaned the club more money and subsequently fully repaid himself while increasing the club debt owed to his companies. The fact that you continue to defend the fat leech says it all.

      • Jezza

        Don’t feed the troll, lads.

        • Leazes.

          I can’t believe the daft troll has still got people biting!

          • Monkseaton Magpies

            Firstly I am not a troll and secondly be surprised if anyone on this site has been to as many Newcastle games as me so thanks for that.

      • Monkseaton Magpies

        With all due respect did Newcastle sign good players when we went down both times, yes or no. Did Sunderland sign good players yes or no. I hope you no the answer to this but I suspect not.

        • Guest 2

          You have no respect from me.
          Did the owner prevent January and Summer signings in ’17 which Rafa asked for? Did the owner prevent signings this January (not loans) which Rafa again asked for? Did the owner pay himself back 18 million from the 33 million loaned by St James Holdings?
          Did Rafa create a 30 million transfer profit and further reduce the wage bill by another £800k a month?
          You know the answer to this and more and still kiss fatso’s hoop.

    • pedrodelgardo

      “Ashley invested wisely when we went down twice” a sensible person would invest to prevent relegation, the relegations are a result of Ashley pushing his mimimum investment plan too far, greed over taking common sense.
      He is a reckless gambler.

      • Monkseaton Magpies

        It was not Ashleys fault the first time we went down as we had a team full of stars some on £100k a week. Try blaming the manager and players. The second time Ashley backed McClaren with a lot of money so again blameless in my opinion.

        • Billy Ellwood

          It was totally Ashley’s fault in 2009. He did so much harm that season! Shay Given kicked out, Milner sold, that YouTube bloke coming in, JFK appointed …

    • Rabid Dog

      You have written some pretty moronic things on here but this is probably the most moronic thong yet.
      1. Sunlun fans are the same as every other clubs fans… fickle. They stopped going because their team was losing and the players were not putting any effort in.
      2. Ashley gambled on a minimum investment maximum return and lost. Twice.
      3. You have absolutely no proof, because you can’t have, it hasn’t happened, we would be in a worse state. You have a viewpoint. It is yours.

      • Monkseaton Magpies

        We got promoted twice at the first attempt a fact that Ashley invested wisely unlike Sunderland. A Fact that Sunderland’s crowds in the Championship at the beginning of the season were twenty thousand down on Newcastle’s crowds. Lastly without Ashley’s loan of £129m we would have been in a mess. I state facts.

        • Rabid Dog

          1. We wouldn’t have been relegated twice if he hadn’t gambled in the first place.
          2. I’m not comparing their crowds to ours. But they sure as hell didn’t stop going in protest. They stopped because they don’t like supporting a losing team.
          3. No. His loans just replace the loans from a bank. Only we don’t get revenue from our shyte direct sponsorship.
          Facts? Don’t make me laugh

  • TheFatController

    where they do stand guilty as charged is in having a fair few vocal supporters convinced the Championship is a breeze.

    I have never known fans of another relegated club remotely convinced that the fire sale of their PL players and culture of defeat in leaving the PL can be easily overcome.

    Perhaps they lost all sense of perspective and needed to convince themselves that, to continue the denial that they are in every way our superior, they must be able to do better than Rafa and his squad.

    They’re even now ranting on social media predicting playing us next season when Rafa leaves. They just don’t know when to shut up ….

    • shellington

      They are a bit strange, confidently predicting bouncing back as League champions when you’ve been in free fall for the past 2-3 years smacks of delusion.

      Is there something in the water in Sunderland? Or just a bit too much in breading in the gene pool? Either way they need a reality check because on current form they aren’t going higher than L1 for the next few years if ever.

      • TheFatController

        They’ll ‘P1ss League One nee botha…!’

        And then League 2 the season after that …

  • Billy Ellwood

    The derbys used to be the most anticipated games of the season. We’d surely be better with them.

    • ToonTom

      We would. And those games will surely come in the league again – obviously preferably in the top flight. When Rangers were demoted three divisions, it was obviously a source of huge wind-up for the Celtic fans, but the winding-up soon tailed-off as they began to realise what they had lost. And we will feel the same in time. We will miss the derbies, there’s no doubt. And when they come around again, I would like to think the banter is around the result not the catastrophic loss of your league status (whichever league the teams are in). As I say above, we are dishing it out now, but I think only in response to the hysterical reactions to our relegations of 2009 and 2016.

  • Jezza

    “This is a fan base who supported a known sex offender”

    That is a pathetic, shameful and completely false slur. The SAFC board may have known about the charges against Johnson while he was stil playing for the team but the Sunderland fans certainly did not. With that slanderous comment you have shown yourself to be far lower than the more idiotic element of the Sunderland support who hired the plane and hung the banner. Laughing at their demise is one thing but despicible false slurs like this say far more about you than the Sunderland supporters you are trying to insult. Shame on you.

    • vics

      That’s not entirely right, the fans and in fact the whole country knew he had been charged although he was maintaining his innocence. Many organisations would put someone on ‘gardening leave’ in those circumstances. The mackems didn’t and the fans didn’t protest much as far as i remember. What would we have done in the same situation I wonder?

      • Jezza

        You mean what would we have done if we had Titus Bramble and Loic Remy playing for us while they were under investigation for similar offences?

        • vics

          I think ‘investigation’ is the key but in this case he was charged and awaiting trial.

          • Jezza

            Still innocent till proven guilty in the eyes of the law. He turned out to be guilty and got the prison sentence he deserved for his despicible crime but at the time the SAFC fans were watching him play he was still presumed innocent under British law.

          • Joe Young

            Aye that’s all well and good but when you hear them chanting “he shags who he wants… he shags who he wants… his names adam Johnson and he shags who he wants” – it sort of shows that they did know, or at least believed, and not only supported him, but also his actions.

          • Jezza

            Did they really chant that? That’s the first I’ve heard of it.

          • Joe Young

            I’ve posted a link but it it’s waiting to be approved. Just google it – there’s a video on the daily mail website

          • Leazes.

            You cant post links on here but you can give the title of the item to search for.

            You can’t write the word D A M N either because its an American site and that is a swear word to them apparently!

            Bizarre!

          • Rich Lawson

            Yes been blocked for the D word on here.

          • Big Al 1967

            Yeah I’ve seen this Jezza its out there on the internet

          • Mark Potter

            Search on YouTube for “Sunderland fans at hull showing support for Adam Johnson”.

          • Jate Legend

            it’s true i didn’t believe it but if you put it in youtube it’s true. Hundreds of fans chanting ‘he shags who he wants’ over and over. Then it skips into the next video which, unfortunately, is ”The True Geordie’s take on the situation.

          • vics

            Safeguarding isn’t as black and white as you make out Jezza if he was in a position where he had regular access to children (imagine a teacher awaiting trial in the same circumstances who would almost certainly be on gardening leave) then he’d be on gardening leave. This is a much less clear area personally I think someone working as a professional footballer facing charges, rather than investigation, I think he shouldn’t be working but it isn’t cut and dried. Like I said i wonder what we would do in the same circumstances?

          • Jezza

            I understand what you’re saying but I think we’re now drifting away from the initial point which was the false allegation in the original article that accused Sunderland fans of supporting a convicted paedophile.

          • vics

            agreed

          • Damon Horner

            The chant mentioned above did exist Jezza, should still be on YouTube. I hear what you’re saying when you say “Innocent until Proven Guilty” but police don’t usually charge on a guess and any further public support for the person charged isn’t too fair on the victim in my view.

          • paul mclaughlan

            Hahaha. The police charge all the time on a guess and with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. Your statement is invalid.

          • Mark Potter

            Hahaha. No they don’t. They must have evidence that a crime has been committed, and a reasonable suspicion that the person they are charging has committed that crime. For all serious offences the Crown Prosecution Service, who are independent of the police, decide whether to charge someone.

          • paul mclaughlan

            Look at all those wrongful rape charges that have hit the headlines lately. The police charged the suspects who were taken to court with no evidence whatsoever apart from the word of the women involved. Luckily said cases were thrown out of court when it came to light the lack of evidence. In some cases the men involved had promising careers destroyed. So don’t dare say the police don’t charge with no evidence. Makes you look a fool.

          • Mark Potter

            No, didn’t you read what I said? The Crown Prosecution Service charge people for rape, not the Police. And they must have evidence. A signed statement of the victim of a crime is actually evidence. They may have other evidence, such as DNA.

            It might not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused was a rapist. It’s up to a jury to weigh all of the evidence presented by the prosecution and the defence.

            In some cases, the only evidence is what the victim says and what the alleged rapist says. There is rarely an innocent bystander who was a witness to the crime. This can make proving rape particularly difficult. Nevertheless, a statement by the woman that she did not give consent is evidence that she didn’t. And luckily, including for reasonable men who don’t support rapists, women are sometimes believed by juries, when they give they evidence in court under oath and say, “He raped me.”

            The CPS will only bring a case to trial if they feel they have a reasonable chance of success. Acquittal does not mean there was no evidence. A not guilty verdict does not mean that the woman was lying, and especially does not mean that the CPS knew she was lying. And an aquittal in one case certainly doesn’t mean that every convicted rapist is innocent, and therefore the statements of all women are worthless, and not evidence. Fortunately, there are not always some men who think like you on every rape jury. But there are enough that rapists often walk free, despite the evidence of the victim.

            You can easily Google “evidence” and compare it to “proof”. The two are not the same.

          • paul mclaughlan

            The police charge then the CPA decide whether to prosecute.

          • paul mclaughlan

            “Fortunately, there are not always some men who think like you on every rape jury”. What an odious thing to say you utter moron. I was stating a fact about the recent cases of the Met charging young men without a shred of evidence. Only the word of the young women they had consentual sex with. These cases were highlighted on various news programs and are not my personal opinions of the disgusting crime of rape. Absolute ar5ehole.

          • Jezza

            “police don’t usually charge on a guess”

            Tell that to Timothy Evans, Derek Bentley, Stephen Downing, The Birmingham Six, The Guildford Four, Stefan Kiszko, The Bridgewater Four, Barry George and conuntless other victims of miscarriages of justice.

          • Rich Lawson

            Cliff Richard if we’re being topical ?

          • Damon Horner

            Obviously they charge incorrectly… not sure why this is all of a sudden changing to sticking up for Adam Johnson though. This isn’t a subject about miscarriages of justice. Bottom line, he messaged her things he shouldn’t, they proved she is underage and proved it came from his phone. They’ll charge from that. All I was pointing was despite all that was known they sang his name I have no intention of further discussing or defending the law.

          • Jezza

            The way you have tried to twist things there is worthy of the trolls who infest this site. Let me be perfectly clear.

            NOBODY IS STICKING UP FOR THAT PAEDOPHILE JOHNSON.

            I was talking purely about the slanderous slur on Sunderland supporters and the false allegations in the original article that they supported a convicted paedophile.

            You have really cheapened yourself with that comment and by twisting things like that.

            YOU WANT TO BE THOROUGHLY ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR THAT INSINUATION.

            YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN A TROLL AND I AM BLOCKING YOU IMMEDIATELY.

          • Damon Horner

            Fair enough. Do as you please. You’re talking about wrongful charges in a conversation about Adam Johnson and expect not to connect the two.

          • Cockneytrev

            I was sent a statistic the other day, it stated that the player in the last 3 years who has created most chances for Sunderland is, Adam Johnson,, this is why he continued to play,, it’s all about the money,, if he had been a bench warmer he would have Been on gardening leave,, I think would probably have acted the same, if we were in the same position….

          • vics

            Aye i suspect you’re right unfortunately

          • Rich Lawson

            And do we doubt for a minute that he will go straight back into the game when he is released ? (Done his time,very sorry,forgive n forget)Someone who can play professional football and can be signed for nowt.He should stay in jail forever ?

          • Cockneytrev

            Your preaching to the converted,,,,

          • Jate Legend

            this is a good point.

    • Jonathan Drape-Comyn

      Yes they did know. Everyone knew. It was in the news that he had been charged, and there was a set trial date while he was playing for Sunderland.

      So not a “false slur” – give over yourself will you.

      • Guest 2

        Jonathan, if your aim is to become a sports writer, then you had better produce better and more weighty fare than this slavvering nonsense.

        • Jezza

          Spot on.

      • Leazes.

        You cant do that man…. tarring the lot of them is fascist and you said they supported De Canio…. guilt by association that’s what the Nazi’s did! The Durham miners took their banners from the Stadium that honoured them!

      • Jezza

        In this country we have got a presumption of innocence. It is the same presumption of innocence that applied to both Titus Bramble and Loic Remy when they were playing for Newcastle having been accused of similar offences. Under British law a person is innocent till proven guilty. Johnson did not become “a known sex offender” till he was convicted therefore they did not support a known sex offender.

        You talk about Sunderland being an “embarrassment of a club” well you are an embarrassment to Newcastle fans. You’ve got a lot of growing up to do sonny.

        • paul mclaughlan

          His opinions ferkin stink mate. No laughing matter anymore.

      • paul mclaughlan

        Ridiculous statement mate. Look up the facts on British law.

      • Monkseaton Magpies

        Their Chief Executive had to quit as she handled the situation very badly so you are right on this one. Sunderland lost their main person at the club who had to leave in shame and go back to Ireland.
        Let me know if you need a ticket for Watford or Spurs as you live down there and will sort. My comments on here are because I love the club so do not take offence the others on here can be very nasty so keep a hold.

  • Leazes.

    So Your message is ‘stick with the club through thick and thin and you wont get relegated’….. ehm…. It didn’t work for us and we still have Ashley and Charnley holding the club in limbo, struggling season after season, whilst he asset stripped the land, the players…. now that is stupid!

    Turning up to see your team kicked from pillar to post week in week out and paying for the privilege is stupid. What did you want them to do?…. they have no say in the running of the club like us, we are in a higher place but we are a shadow of the club Ashley inherited and firmly set in the ‘Cannon-fodder’ positions but without ambition you sink like a stone!

    ‘Eighth and no higher for us…. are you really mugged into the Rafa love in to the extent you cant see beyond the kisses you blow to the regime?

    Two attempts at laughing at them but you know what I couldn’t give a darn about them to glory in their demise, I don’t care, and I don’t want to give them the opportunity to write articles ‘Newcastle Fans respond to Sunderlands demise’. Stuff them!

    …. You are a bloody idiot Jonathan!

  • GC

    A few things to question this article: 1) why would they convert to Toon fans within 10 years? They hate us 2) Even if they did convert, where would we seat them, on the roof? 3) We don’t sell cheesy chips at half time 4) It’s good for jobs, lots of man hours needed to dismantle the top level of their stadium

    • Mark Potter

      Hey, I like cheesy chips. Stop the cheesy chips digs. Chips, mmm. Cheese, yum. Together…

  • Grahame Johnson

    Over 30000 at a rugby game sums up Sunderland crowds

  • PercyArcade

    It wasn’t until we were relegated (how the mackems laughed) that sunderland could no longer rely on the 6 points we’d been gifting them every year that kept them up 😃

    • Football fan

      Gift Sunderland 6 points your living in the dream all my friends are toon army and are devastated on a Monday after a derby defeat

    • Georgia Peter

      Porcistreet .
      Said that for the last 4 years.

  • Texaco cup winners 1974

    I think SAFC fans should bring not 1 but 2 books out about Newcastle. Turn up at a NUFC game against Gillingham supporting Gillingham to show how much they don’t care.

    SAFC the centre of every NUFC fans universe.

    • TheFatController

      In terms of football rivalry SAFC are closest geographically, so register in my universe from that perspective.

      From every other perspective they’re not in my universe, sorry to have to say. They laughed at us, we laugh at them, but they’re not special enough in any way to make claims of being centre of any universe

      Take it on the chin, they’ve been humiliated by their club and players. Don’t blame us.

      • Football fan

        Take it on the chin we can’t when they beat us the poor horse took it

        • TheFatController

          Yep, and today, is a new day, the day after second relegation. Take it on the chin.

          THat means don’t hash up old events that are done to death. What’s relevant is relegation to league one. Everything else is water off a duck’s back, the hurt of two relegations is palpable from them.

    • Jate Legend

      NUFC won’t be playing Gillingham for ages. SAFC on the other hand…

  • Stephen

    Changing the subject completely
    My three to go down
    West Brom(Obviously)
    Huddersfield
    Brighton
    Look at the fixtures.

    • ToonTom

      Have you looked at Southampton’s????

    • TheFatController

      Good luck with that bet!

  • Alex

    I’ve always thought that 80% of your Mag contributions were drivel. This one pushes it up another notch.

  • ToonTom

    It shouldn’t be good for the north east that 5under1and have collapsed (or perhaps are still collapsing) and that avoiding League Two football may be the most they can hope for next season, and there was a time when we might have sympathised with their plight. But that time passed and is unlikely to come back. Just like Villa who taunted us without reason in 2009, there are things that go around and come around and you need to be careful not to dwell on or play up. Like banners across SJP, or placards and self-righteous hysteria – they are too visible to be ignored and they leave you wanting ‘comeuppance’. So if Villa fail to go up again, we’ll quietly enjoy it. And if 5under1and continue to struggle and maybe start looking at dropping out of the league entirely (sorry, it’s just so difficult to resist) then we will – bluntly – celebrate it. Not because it is in our nature but because they started it.

    I know there’s a large amount of self-contradiction in the above, but – whatever – you need to be careful how much you gloat (if you’re 5under1and) or why the hell you even choose to gloat (if you’re Villa).

    5under1and fans (if there are any left) can enjoy their tenuous “6 in a row”. We’ve still won these fixtures twice more than they have despite their ‘glorious’ six, and it is true they’ve scored more goals than we have so maybe they could switch to ‘taunting’ us about that. Frustratingly, we are now relying on the cups for our chance to sort that stat out for the next year at least.

    I think we should enjoy our moment of schadenfreude – I think we’ve earned it – and then immediately get on with the job of ensuring that we don’t ourselves then suffer from it.

    • TheFatController

      Agreed. If I see pictures of their fans yesterday I don’t find it makes me laugh, as it’s just part of football, you may or may not bounce back etc

      What does still make me laugh out loud is if I see the pics of them taunting us with banners and bits of tatty paper clearly handed out. The irony, the ‘oh dear, he who laughs last…’ schadenfreude of it all is hilarious.

      The biggest factor is that it’s happened so fast and the fall has been so far – they mocked us when relegated, having a class manager, having many saleable assets – now they haven’t got a pot to p1ss in, its like ‘schadenfreude and then some’

  • Leicester Mag

    Sorry this is a disgrace and close to libellous. I count a number of Sunderland fans as personal friends, many highly qualified professionals who be rightly affronted by this. You have written a number of thought provoking articles this is not one. Delete this

    • Jezza

      The article is an utter disgrace. Lots of false accusations and kicking people when they’re down but no mention of the Sunderland fans who launched their own fundraising campaign for the two Newcastle fans who lost their lives in the plane crash.

  • Toon

    The Rag scrape the barrel with these continuous attacks on fans of other clubs, yesterday Everton and today Sunderland. Rubbish like this embarrass NUFC fans, it’s about time The Rag considered if it is going to represent the voice of NUFC fans it did so in a respectful manner instead of continually shaming the fan base. How does this utter rubbish get past the editor?

    • Jezza

      That’s a very good question. Rubbish like this would have been screwed up and thrown straight into the bin when I was involved with the original paper version of The Mag back at the beginning.

      • Mark Potter

        How long ago was that? When guys had long hair, wore platform shoes and tank tops? Gary Glitter and Jimmy Saville were massive stars. The Yorkshire Ripper was at large, and casual racism was a stock in trade of “comedy” on TV. Football grounds were potential death traps, hooligans ruled the roost and you could only watch three channels of TV, with a handful of live games per year. Oh, those great times when the Mag was the original paper edition.

        • Jate Legend

          He didn’t say they were great times. Just implied it was a while ago. You’re describing the 1970s – aye, that’s probably when it was. Next…

      • Rich Lawson

        Commercialism and advertising money kill principles.

  • Dingus

    This is very over the top. It’s only football. No need for all the nasty accusations.

    • Jezza

      Agreed, the article is a pathetic piece of drivel from start to finish and reads like it was written by a petulant 7 year old school bully.

      • Mark Potter

        Says the school bully who discourages free speech on this forum.

    • Jate Legend

      It’s quite a well-written, tongue-in-cheek rant that has got everyone posting and cracking on about a wide range of stuff. Whether you agree with him or not, articles like this and the comments that they spawn are the point of online footy debating forums. In that sense, best article I have read on here in quite a while.

  • Waxi

    It is ok to have a bit of a laugh as they did to us but to be honest i like many on this site will feel a few things in this article might step over or are very close to the line. Like many on this site i have mates who support Sunderland and yes i have had a few cheap laughs as that is banter but to be honest this does this region no good at all. Can’t see them coming back soon but when do you hit the time when the banter stops. They like us have a few kids who take it to far and yes some of us did back in the 70’s but at the same time they are the same as us hard working North East folk who like now’t better than a few pints after a hard week at graft and watch their team on a Saturday afternoon. It just so happens they picked the wrong north east team. I was born British but Geordie by the grace of god.

    • Jezza

      Agreed. When it comes down to it we are all the same. Hard working, long suffering football supporters from an area of the country that has seen decades of neglect from successive governments. Put it this way, we are all football supporters and I am not going to hate somebody for supporting their team. Nor do I expect people born and bred on Wearside to be Newcastle supporters.

      This pathetic article is a huge embarrassment to all of us. There is absolutely no need to kick people when they are down.

      • Billmag

        You say Jezza you don’t expect people born and bred in Wearside to be NUFC supporters, why is that ? have you got to be born within earshot of the ground to be classed as a dyed in the wool supporter. I have supported our great club for over 60 years through thin and thinner, support come’s from every walk of life otherwise you wouldn’t have a football club.

        • Jezza

          You seem to have missed my point. I said I wouldn’t expect people born and bred on Wearside to be Newcastle supporters. I did not say that only people from Tyneside can support Newcastle. I am well aware that we have got many loyal and fanatical supporters from all over the world and I welcome them all.

          The point is that most people support their local or home town team (or at least they used to before Sky Sports came along and destroyed our national game) and people from Sunderland have got their own team to support. They are free to support Newcastle but I wouldn’t expect them to no more than I would expect a Geordie to support Sunderland. Quite simply I am not going to hold a grudge against any Wearsiders for supporting their local team.

          • Mark Potter

            Yet Hillsborough was before Sky Sports, and plenty of those who died were Liverpool supporters who did not live in Merseyside. There has always been a tradition of people supporting clubs that were successful. I remember as a young child that I had the idea that I would support the winner of the FA Cup for a year at a time. Then 1973 came round… nah, fck that. Not even for a year. I was old enough to know right from wrong.

          • Billmag

            Loads of Sunderland supporters live in Ashington Jezza, in life people have choice’s some chose the right way and some chose the wrong way that’s life.

          • Leazes.

            It wasn’t Northumbrians choosing Sunderland it was migration of miners from Durham sticking with their heritage.

          • Billmag

            Rubbish. !!

          • Waxi

            That is spot on Leazes. Ashington is the biggest support for Sunderland outside of wearside. Blyth also has a few buses go to Sunderland games and it was through miners moving from pit to pit.

          • Billmag

            I started the pit 1964 anyone leaving the mines then went down the midland’s or Yorkshire.

          • shellington

            Exactly! half of our family headed straight down to Leicester. Making socks was a lot easier than making bricks or shovelling coal!

          • Monkseaton Magpies

            There are next to no supporters of Sunderland left in Blyth and Ashington. Years back there were a few buses now there is only one most of the sons are Newcastle supporters now and in a few years time they will be extinct. Even in Whitley Bay in the 1970’s was quite a few now not one.
            Would say they has six buses in the seventies now just half a bus.

          • Mark Potter

            The original miners yes. Their children and grandchildren have choices. They chose the wrong way.

            Plus Jezza is wrong about Wearside. The Wear goes through the middle of Sunderland, but Chester-le-Street, Durham, Spennymoor, Bishop Auckland, Crook etc are no closer to Sunderland than they are to Newcastle. While on the other hand, South Shields and Jarrow are very close to Sunderland, but are very definitely part of Tyneside.

            All of the people in those areas have choices.

            To be fair to Jonathan, who comes from Durham (quicker on the train to Newcastle than the bus to nowhere), he has seen many of his generation take the wrong path in life. Young people who were influenced by the “6 in a row” to think that they were supporting a decent club. Poor little lambs who went with the flow to have their hopes and dreams shattered. They might never convert to watching Newcastle (though some now support South Shields, and other local non-league clubs), but their children and grandchildren hopefully will grow up knowing only one successful Premiership club in the North East. That’s my dream that something good will come out of yesterday. It’s for the sake of the kids that we hope SAFC is dead and buried for a generation. ;)

          • shellington

            Northumbrian miners son here, quick roll call, me and dad (NUFC), uncle, cousins and grandfather (SAFC).

            In the old days, people would alternate between the two but it was nothing to do with moving from Durham.

          • Billmag

            Correct he’s good at twisting things.

          • gallowgate26

            Haha, good reply actually..

      • Georgia Peter

        Porciestreet. .
        Depends if they’re mackem or not….!

  • Tweed Mag

    Terrible article. Good to see that the comments below put things right. Rivalry is one thing but taking it to a ridiculous level as this author has, is embarrassing.

  • Albert Stubbins

    Great article. Nail on head. Apathy F C should be their new name!!

  • paul mclaughlan

    I hate the Makems and think their demise is hilarious. But this article stinks. I can guarantee if we dropped down The Championship our crowds would dwindle dramatically. And also what about our pitiful protests over the Mike Ashley regime? Yes we have a fantastic fan base. But can be as guilty as the Makems (or any other bunch of fans) of dwindling when things go wrong.

    • Monkseaton Magpies

      Guilty of having a go at Ashley but both times we went into the Championship our crowds were magnificent compared to Sunderland and Boro’s efforts.

      • paul mclaughlan

        Yeah but we kept Benitez and stayed at the top of the league. Don’t think for an instant we’d still be getting 50k each home game if we were bottom. You thinking otherwise makes you as much of a mug as the writer of this article.

        • Guest 2

          Wasting your breath, mate. This numpty supports Ashley, Pardew and everything else which has happened under the fat leech.

          • paul mclaughlan

            True mate. Sometimes I just can’t stop myself getting drawn into his bilge.

          • Monkseaton Magpies

            I support Newcastle the people on here hate Newcastle except half a dozen people who get grief all the time. Very sad people you are.

          • paul mclaughlan

            Ah bless your cotton socks, and sorry for hurting your feelings. But you did say something incredibly stupid in your reply to my post.

      • Football fan

        Look up what n c gate was when ossie was toons manager and taking us into the 3 division think around 18.000

        • Leazes.

          No roof, a dilapidated ground, a reserve squad and second division…..It was still more than Chelsea.

        • comment

          Not true look it up instead of opening your sour mackam gob

          • Football fan

            I am a Newcastle fan!!!!!!

        • Whitehurst

          Yeah poor attendances in relation to today’s SJP capacity of 52,000…but not then when it was a tad over 32,000!!

          • paul mclaughlan

            Absolute tosh. We had small gates because we were garbage. End of.

        • Monkseaton Magpies

          We are on about gates in the Championship the last couple of years not twenty odd years back when even Chelsea had a six thousand crowd against Cardiff. Our fans have supported the club despite no trophies like no other team have done.

          • paul mclaughlan

            Are we?

          • Brian Standen

            nobody can argue with that

    • Chris

      You do know we were in the championship last year? was SJP half empty then?

      • paul mclaughlan

        “You do know we were in the championship last year? was SJP half empty then?”

        Were we actually bottom of the league without a world class manager in charge?

        Shyte I’ve just done a Clarko.

        • Chris

          read what you wrote cheesy?

          ‘ I can guarantee if we dropped into the Championship our crowds would dwindle dramatically’

          also were you bottom of the league on day 1 when you had a sub 30,000 attendance vs one of the biggest clubs in the league (derby)

          ‘we’ve got simon grayson, we’ve got simon grayson’

          • paul mclaughlan

            “’ I can guarantee if we dropped into the Championship our crowds would dwindle dramatically’”.

            Nice try divvy. But for some reason you’ve added “into” and omitted “down” from my statement. Do you work for The Mail?

  • Liam Hogg

    You should look at all the death threats & other bile thrown at the writers way on RTG. Absolutely disgusting it’s only a game

    • Ram Kishore

      Rtg?

      • Leazes.

        Ready to Go…. Mackem site…. misnomer they’re still there!

        • Mark Potter

          Ready to Go Down

  • paul mclaughlan

    “Jonathan Drape-Comyn
    Durham University, Masters student, Middle Eastern history and Arabic. Following Newcastle United home and away”. And writer of pathetically petty articles for The Mag. Hang your head in shame fella.

    • Rich Lawson

      Home and away,yet he still went to the Glasgow game last Sunday instead of watching us trash Arsenal !

  • kingfisher

    I’m amazed that some people can actually be surprised,horrified and take exception at the terrace chants of some so called “supporters”. I think we all will have witnessed some truly horrific chants directed at some opponents players, which go way beyond “normal” terrace banter and good humoured p*** taking (such as throwing Mars Bars at Gazza).
    Some of the older generation reading this will remember Cyril Knowles who played for ‘Boro and Spurs. His young son was sitting in the back seat of his car, when a lorry which was travelling in front of his car, threw up a brick which went through the windscreen and killed his son, which some terrace morons latched onto. Obviously the “Harry Roberts” chants about the police killer was another indication of how low some idiotic morons are prepared to go.
    Hate is a strong word and should only be used in exceptional circumstances, not regarding football.
    As far as the Sunderland fans who mocked us when we were relegated are concerned I have no sympathy whatsoever, however for the lifelong genuine Sunderland fan it must be heartbreaking.
    This article is an embarrassment to all genuine Toon fans,

    • Jezza

      Excellent comment.

    • Peaky

      👏👏👏

  • Scottie Chugger Dearden

    We were IMMENSELY lucky Rafa stayed, if he hadn’t we would be in the same predicament as Sunderland are now, o.k I don’t have any sympathy after the way they carried on when we went down but to call them the shame of the North East, is obviously a personal opinion of yours.

    • Mark Potter

      Your evidence for that is? Many clubs have been relegated from the Premiership, it has happened something like 75 times. But only two previously got relegated in successive seasons – Swindon and Wolves – going straight from the Premiership to League 1. So when we were relegated the chances of us being in a similar predicament to them is 3%.

      They have two remaining games against Fulham and Wolves. They must get at least 2 points to have any chance of finishing above Burton. Otherwise, they will finish bottom of the Championship. This will be a unique record that Sunderland may hold for the next 100 years, no-one else has finished bottom in two successive seasons.

      Now, on the other hand, Newcastle are the only club to twice be promoted back to the Premiership at the first attempt as Champions. Rafa did an excellent job, but he did what Hughton had done before. Our only other season outside the Premiership (its first season) we were also Championship (First Division) Champions.

      The idea that we have somehow been in the same predicament as Sunderland, or even remotely close at any time in more than 25 years, is nonsense. The facts tell us otherwise.

      The same doom and gloom relegation to lower leagues is nigh brigade, are those who claimed for most of this season that we had a “Championship squad”, that the players weren’t good enough, Rafa’s tactics and player selections were poor, that the new players in January wouldn’t make a difference, ad infinitum. All completely wrong.

      • Scottie Chugger Dearden

        I guess we’ll never know but under Hughton we were lucky we had people like Barton, Nolan etc who wanted to put it right and I believe that had Rafa not stayed, do you really think that we’d have tempted the likes of Matt Ritchie to the Championship or go for players like Gayle or Yedlin? People like Shelvey and Lascelles would have been gone. Sunderlands situation can happen to anyone, don’t forget the mighty Leeds United who slid into that league as well, it even happened to Man City.

        • Brian Standen

          Man City were not really a big club until a certain Sheik got involved, even now their empty seats compound this.
          Same as Chelsea, about 10 mins from going out of business until the Russian came in

  • Jimmy_toons

    Pathetic and aimed at the lowest common denominator. Studying for your second degree, a lot of theoretical knowledge you may have, common sense and an understanding of sport you have not.

  • Mr wobert

    lets Think about next season,who should go , who should stay, who can we get,
    Will fatty still be here,( hope not) will Rafa still be here(hope so)
    Better things to discuss than Sunderland.

  • Merv Simkins

    You are accusing me of supporting a ‘known pea do’. I will not be forgetting your name.

    • Liam Hogg

      Adam Johnson he shags who he wants was the chant if I remember correctly ?

      • Merv Simkins

        Never heard it. And it wasn’t me or anyone I know
        but we are all being accused by you and this weasel as being supporters of pea dos. I saw dozens of your lot doing monkey noises and gestures at African fans (supporting Newcastle) at your ground but I don’t say every mag does it. There’s banter and there’s crossing a line. This weasel has crossed it.

        • Liam Hogg

          Nice to see the mag deleted my last comment

        • Liam Hogg

          Good to see your fans posting up information about where the writers parents live & work. What’s it got to do with them? Scum

        • Mark Potter

          Supporting vegetables isn’t a good idea. I hate sprouts. The thought of cucumber makes me cringe.

        • Mayor Vaughn

          “Honest miss it wasn’t me or anyone i know, Honest”
          Yeah Yeah Yeah
          Was welcomed back into their team with open arms and it worked he helped keep them up, not one of them sat on their hands when he scored or assisted a goal they lapped it up. Should they be ashamed of it? absolutely they should.

        • Phil

          Never heard it!! Must be one of the many that stayed away eh?

          • Jate Legend

            hahaha

      • Brian Standen

        That was the chant, he scored an equaliser at Liverpool and half heartedly raised his arm knowing he was ‘ going down’ – a goal that contributed to our relegation ( SAFC at the time knew but continued to pick him) – and the chant was plain to hear

        • Liam Hogg

          And yet another comment deleted by the mag

    • Mark Potter

      That’s the sort of empty “threat” that the U-boat captain made in Dad’s Army.

      He demands of the hapless Private Pike: ”Your name vill also go on ze list. Vot is it?”, at which Captain Mainwaring shouts, “Don’t tell him, Pike!”

      One of the best comedy moments ever.

      • TheFatController

        Whistle while you work,
        H1tler is a berk,
        He’s half barmy so’s his army,
        Whistle while you work…

      • Kneebotherm8

        Classic comedy moment……….I’m laughing now thinking of it…..hilarious…

  • IanSafc

    News Now is an excellent site which rounds up all stories related to your football team.

    However, it rounds up stories from all outlets. In recent weeks this site has posted more than usual about our club. Others I haven’t read. This one I did.

    It turns out it’s come straight from the pen of a five year old child.

    What a complete whopper he is.

    The north east’s surgeons are safe: there won’t be any calls for sides to be stitched back together today. Or at any other time he chooses to post, most probably.

    Here’s the thing: the author of this article has made me feel a bit sorry for him. That’s from me. A Sunderland fan. Who has been relegated – again – yesterday. In almost comedy circumstances. It’s been awful at points in my life. Five wins in two seasons at home. 18 defeats in a row. 15 points. 19 points. 5-1. 4-1. Seeing Shearer score with the last kick in his career against us. Being a laughing stock throughout the land. Listening to Newcastle fans singing “When will I see you again?” I’m not answering that one right now.

    But why he hates Sunderland so much, well I think he needs a little perspective. Did he come home one day to find his mam in bed with Kevin Ball? Did George Honeyman flush his head down the bog when he was at school?

    To display such shocking myopia as he has around supporters’ ‘backing’ of Adam Johnson beggars belief.

    If this person wishes to remember the facts, Johnson only pleaded guilty at the last possible opportunity.

    Now there is no doubt that some people will have continued to support him. I took the decision not to chant his name or offer any support once he was arrested. Some did, and that was their choice. No doubt they regret it now, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

    The eternal shame for Sunderland is the extent to which Margaret Byrne and Ellis Short knew about Johnson’s guilt, yet still continued to a) play and b) employ him.

    For that reason, this club is reaping what it sows, and some may say deservedly so.

    As for Di Canio, you do not need to look very hard to find many Sunderland fans who were against this man.

    My opinion? (not that you esteemed Newcastle fans would want it, but you’re getting it anyway). There is resentment and anger over the victories Sunderland had. But more than that, anger over the way in which Sunderland fans reacted after relegating Newcastle. The plane thing was really, really poor craic. Awful decision from whoever wanted to waste their money on it. I’m sorry it happened then and I’m sorry it happened now.

    My advice? (and you’re getting this too). Many laugh at Sunderland because they feel their supporters are reaping what they so. This to me appears like it’s going as far as Sunderland did. But look at the position we are in now. And although Newcastle are doing okay at the minute, that could chance very, very quickly. Rafa goes and Ashley stays. Well, you don’t need me to… you know. So be careful.

    Memories are long. And I remember in particular the fine, glossy publication that was “Let’s All Laugh at Sunderland” following relegation in – I think 05/06. Or maybe 02/03. Unprovoked, but you know what, you had a laugh and that’s fair enough.

    I was lucky enough to get my hands on a copy. Whoever published it must have spent a fortune, because such a high quality GSM burned a treat.

    See you in the Checkatrade.

    • Mark Potter

      A very well argued piece. May be you should write for the Mag? We might get some better quality articles.

      But don’t take away our opportunity to gloat. Jonathan has been scarred for life by the six in a row, living amongst Mackems. I had to go school with many of them, Jimmy Montgomery even visited the school after their cup win. Oh, how they gloated when Liverpool trounced us in the Final. And again when Keegan threw away the chance to win the Premiership.

      • Danimal

        You were doing ok until that last sentence.

    • Brian Standen

      Your comment is well written as are some of the points made by Jonathon- unfortunately given the events of two year ago yoir just going to have to take it on the chin!
      With regards Adam Johnson it was appalling that the powers that be at SAFC knew about the issue AND the likely outcome and did nothing – I repeat appalling.
      Your point about Rafa and Ashley is equally valid, this owner could slide NUFC down the pan in a heartbeat – great times now but nervous times ahead!
      As for me I won’t lie I will thoroughly enjoy your demise with the majority of NUFC fans.
      As a Mackem once reminded me ‘ every dog has his day’ and in the present it is our day!

      • Jate Legend

        Well put Brian. Let’s all laugh at Sunderland, at least for the time being. You’ve got to sing when you’re winning.

    • glassjawsh-got-banned

      Your post was a better read than the original article. Well said. But I think you meant “see your reserve team in the Checkatrade”

  • Magpie1974

    This article is toxic.

    • Georgia Peter

      Porciestreet; –
      Toxic…!. but dead right.

  • Phil

    I find it funny the amount of people both Newcastle and Sunderland fans getting so irate over this.

    It’s one persons opinion. He warns people not to read it if easily offended. A lot of it is a bit over the top. At the same time a lot of it isn’t that far from the truth.

    Sunderland going further and further down the leagues does not effect NUFC or north east football either. It effects Sunderland. End of. People getting all sentimental over it need to jump down off their high horses and get a grip. It’s embarrassing reading Newcastle fans going on as if Sunderland are relevant to how successful football in the north east is currently or is going to be in the future.

    I hope they slip further. No respect for their fans or pathetic club

    • Leicester Mag

      So labelling as a group all Sunderland fans as complicit racists and supporting on mass a paedophile is ok? Sorry this is utterly beneath right minded Newcastle fans

      • Phil

        Not al Sunderland fans supported Johnson. Thousands did though. So on mass yes they did support him and gloated about it

        • Dave

          They did cause they hate us the place is full of inbreds

      • Rabid Dog

        I’d say the vast majority of the away support at Hull were supporting a paedophile.

        Search YouTube for “Sunderland fans at Hull showing support for Adam Johnson”. The evidence is there at about 30 seconds in.

        So yes. On mass.

  • Jate Legend

    Divisive article. Some people liked it, some people hated it. Loads of people talking about it. So, I think it’s a good article.

    • Leazes.

      Both article were poor, ignorant, unthought out, unhumorous, and It doesn’t do your reputation any good ….. and Jonathan’s has just gone down the pan.

      • Jate Legend

        I put this a bit further down. ”It’s quite a well-written, tongue-in-cheek rant that has got everyone posting and cracking on about a wide range of stuff. Whether you agree with him or not, articles like this and the comments that they spawn are the point of online footy debating forums. In that sense, best article I have read on here in quite a while.” I’m just commenting on the debate it’s created, think it’s a good thing. It depends what you’re measuring it on. The writing itself is quite good, he’s had an impact with his article, not for everybody, but it’s all opinion. I did think some of it was ignorant, I also thought some of it was funny. I don’t think anyone needs to worry about their reputation – it’s a footy opinions site man.

        • Leazes.

          You mean he’s got some hits for the site,

          I’m surprised that he would stoop this low in pandering to the knuckle draggers, I would expect it of someone like Standen’s diminutive intelect….. but not someone from the University of Durham… it is unashamedly ignorant to group people in such a manner.

          He could have done something like this humorously, I don’t see any at all.

  • Northumberland mag

    Long time viewer of the site and on the whole most articles are an enjoyable read, but this is embarrassing, actually cringing reading it. I’ve been going to the leazes since the late eighties and laugh at the mackams demise as much as the next mag but this is as mentioned above an embarrassing load of drivel

  • IanSafc

    For some reason the below was detected as spam……..

    But I want Jonathan to see it.

    So here it is again.

    News Now is an excellent site which rounds up all stories related to your football team.

    However, it rounds up stories from all outlets. In recent weeks this site has posted more than usual about our club. Others I haven’t read. This one I did.

    It turns out it’s come straight from the pen of a five year old child.

    What a complete whopper he is.

    The north east’s surgeons are safe: there won’t be any calls for sides to be stitched back together today. Or at any other time he chooses to post, most probably.

    Here’s the thing: the author of this article has made me feel a bit sorry for him. That’s from me. A Sunderland fan. Who has been relegated – again – yesterday. In almost comedy circumstances. It’s been awful at points in my life. Five wins in two seasons at home. 18 defeats in a row. 15 points. 19 points. 5-1. 4-1. Seeing Shearer score with the last kick in his career against us. Being a laughing stock throughout the land. Listening to Newcastle fans singing “When will I see you again?” I’m not answering that one right now.

    But why he hates Sunderland so much, well I think he needs a little perspective. Did he come home one day to find his mam in bed with Kevin Ball? Did George Honeyman flush his head down the bog when he was at school?

    To display such shocking myopia as he has around supporters’ ‘backing’ of Adam Johnson beggars belief.

    If this person wishes to remember the facts, Johnson only pleaded guilty at the last possible opportunity.

    Now there is no doubt that some people will have continued to support him. I took the decision not to chant his name or offer any support once he was arrested. Some did, and that was their choice. No doubt they regret it now, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

    The eternal shame for Sunderland is the extent to which Margaret Byrne and Ellis Short knew about Johnson’s guilt, yet still continued to a) play and b) employ him.

    For that reason, this club is reaping what it sows, and some may say deservedly so.

    As for Di Canio, you do not need to look very hard to find many Sunderland fans who were against this man.

    My opinion? (not that you esteemed Newcastle fans would want it, but you’re getting it anyway). There is resentment and anger over the victories Sunderland had. But more than that, anger over the way in which Sunderland fans reacted after relegating Newcastle. The plane thing was really, really poor craic. Awful decision from whoever wanted to waste their money on it. I’m sorry it happened then and I’m sorry it happened now.

    My advice? (and you’re getting this too). Many laugh at Sunderland because they feel their supporters are reaping what they so. This to me appears like it’s going as far as Sunderland did. But look at the position we are in now. And although Newcastle are doing okay at the minute, that could chance very, very quickly. Rafa goes and Ashley stays. Well, you don’t need me to… you know. So be careful.

    Memories are long. And I remember in particular the fine, glossy publication that was “Let’s All Laugh at Sunderland” following relegation in – I think 05/06. Or maybe 02/03. Unprovoked, but you know what, you had a laugh and that’s fair enough.

    I was lucky enough to get my hands on a copy. Whoever published it must have spent a fortune, because such a high quality GSM burned a treat.

    See you in the Checkatrade.

  • TheFatController

    It’s all getting irate on here.

    Football is competitive and you’re either riding high, or on the up, or on the down, or a shambles.

    If you mock something as a shambles, makes sure it is a shambles, and you’re on the up. if not you’ll soon be brought down to earth. As the adage goes, ‘careful who you hack off when on the up, as it can be a bumpy road on the way down…’

    This is a unique situation, simply because it was not a case 2 years ago that we were a shambles or that they were on the up.

    We had just drawn with Man City and Liverpool, beaten Spurs 5-1, and had a world class manager looking likely to stay, plus some highly saleable assets. Added to that a track record of winning the championship.

    They had Allardyce, and a track record of avoiding relegation as a result of the 6 points Pardew gave them. The writing was on the wall it would one day end in tears. But no, they were ‘on the up’ and we were ‘never to return’. What could go wrong?

    So, the situation we are in now is one of ‘what sort of idiot with a proven poor owner, a short term manager, and regular relegation contenders mocks a club with a new world class manager and renewed feel good factor?

    Answers on a postcard to ‘the stadium of Light’…

  • The Vicar

    As a lifelong Mag this is a stupid article. You’re a total [email protected]

    • gallowgate26

      Agreed, Jonathan please stop penning your third SAFC article in 48 hours, we aren’t interested… It’s hard for us to call THEM obsessed when this website has three or four articles about Sunderland! Does anyone even care? Sunder who?

  • Wor Lass

    Shameful stuff – click-baiting taken to the extreme.

  • Jezza

    The comments criticising the article are by and large from regular long term and well established contributors to this forum.

  • Lyle

    Harsh but correct ! Whose laughing now ????