West Ham fans have been making the headlines, especially in recent weeks.

However, with their team desperately fighting relegation, it would be difficult to argue that they are helping the situation.

Before Saturday’s matches there was an interesting discussion on BBC 5 Live, which no doubt wouldn’t have helped the mood of any West Ham fans listening.

The two guests were former Liverpool and Blackburn defender Stephen Warnock [now with Bradford] and one-time Birmingham, Hull and Leeds defender [and son of Steve], Alex Bruce [now with Wigan].

Ahead of Newcastle taking on Huddersfield, the two pundits were full of praise for Newcastle supporters.

Stephen Warnock saying that St James Park is a ‘tough,tough place to go’ to as an opposition player and that Newcastle supporters are ‘some of the best fans in the World’.

Alex Bruce was in total agreement and said that with Mike Ashley refusing to allow proper investment in players and the rest of the nonsense from the owner, Newcastle fans could easily have ‘kicked off’.

However, instead the NUFC support ‘They love their manager, got behind the team, it just shows what they [fans of a club] can do.’

High praise indeed.

However, lighting the fuse elsewhere, Alex Bruce then made a cutting comparison with our friends in East London… ‘It [Newcastle supporters] should be a lesson to West Ham really, Newcastle this year, their fans.’

Newcastle fans haven’t been shy of protesting over the years but as much as possible it has always been aimed at the owner(s), with at the same time trying to still back the team [and manager if it wasn’t an Ashley minion].

However, with West Ham fans there is a real over the top vicious edge to it and a feeling of being intent on self-destruction for many of them.

Like Newcastle in their previous home game, the Hammers were lucky to run into a pathetic Southampton outfit who look arguably the worst team in the Premier League at the moment.

So an easy 3-0 victory for David Moyes’ side but it was noticeable just how many thousands of seats were empty, which can’t be totally accounted for with the handful of West Ham fans banned so far.

On the other hand, as Alex Bruce also points out, it just shows how important it is to have a unifying figure such as Rafa Benitez, who everybody can rally behind despite Ashley’s ongoing malevolent presence.

Bringing in David Moyes was a bizarre move after his career since leaving Everton, especially how pathetic Sunderland were last season and the seeds he helped sow for the Mackems this season.

So West Ham fans are missing that leadership figure, with maybe just the odd player such as Mark Noble for them to have any respect for.

Talking on BBC 5 Live – Stephen Warnock:

“I think the [Newcastle] home fans will play a massive part, they have got behind the team in recent weeks.

“They are some of the best fans in the World when they get behind the team…it is a tough, tough place to go.

“Very difficult [as an away player] to play [at St James Park], very difficult fans to play in front of.

“I just feel they will have more than enough and with arguably one of the worst squads in the league.

“There are a lot of Championship players within that squad.”

Alex Bruce:

“It [Newcastle supporters] should be a lesson to West Ham really, Newcastle this year, their fans.

“They could have really kicked off because of the lack of investment and all the rest of it.

“But I think they have appreciated the job that Rafa Benitez has done.

“Newcastle fans love their manager, got behind the team, it just shows what they [fans of a club] can do.”

  • Arty Hume

    Diame my MOM hope his leaving the field was only precautionary. Perez poor again for me but his contribution for the goal priceless. Gayle missed a few but we should not forget his contributions last season probably got us EPL status, so give him some support, not criticism.

    • Kev Newcastle England

      The articles about the difference between Toon fans and West Ham in comparison to how the clubs are run.Personally I think we put up with too much shy te and can totally understand why West Ham kicked off few weeks ago.

      • Leazes.

        Well the Mackems empty seats has had an effect on Short…. the club is for sale.

    • Wor Lass

      I said this on another thread but it`s strange how much he`s criticised on here – slagged off, even – yet how often opposition players/managers, pundits and journalists say how well he played and what a threat he was in the match. My opinion is that he works his socks off following the manager`s plan, that he`s not as bad as many make out but needs to be more consistent and have a lot more end product. This goal (that he started and finished) should be a big boost to his self-confidence.

      • Albert Stubbins

        If he had genuine strength he would be a good player. I honestly don’t think he’s cut out for this league but to his credit he doesn’t give up.

    • Albert Stubbins

      Agreed about Diame. I thought Perez was poor again despite his goal. I would have like slimani to have come on for Perez and Gayle to have played in a slightly deeper role which he’s been effective with and link up with big Islam. But Rafa got it right again so can’t argue.

  • PhilK

    To be fair to West Ham fans. Their manager isn’t Benitez. And they’re in a ground they hate and had no say in, and it ISN’T a football ground. And they were lumbered with Moyes. I have no doubt that if Ashley won’t sell up and refuses once again to invest and strengthen, Benitez will go to WHU and we’ll lose Lascelles and we’ll be one of the faves for the drop NEXT season

    • Polarboy

      Not to mention that the area around Upton Park is being gentrified by the people that Gold and Sullivan sold to. Which means that all the old pubs, cafes etc. that people have been going to for years are being sold or shut down. What replaces them will likely be Costa, Starbucks and all that shyte, and of course rent prices in that area will skyrocket leading to people having to move.

      • Leazes.


  • Robert Cook

    Their wernt thousands of seats empty, you make up these stories as you go along

    • Wor Lass

      I`m not trying to do a Clarko but the official attendance was 56.000 and the capacity is 60,000 so, technically, there were thousands of seats empty – but they still had 4,000 more than us and we think we`re the bees knees for continuing to support the lads. Classic example of a writer being economical with the truth and twisting facts to suit their agenda. ie our fans are great and theirs are cr*p. A bit pathetic, really. Why bother?

      • Robert Cook

        The capicity is 57.000

        • Wor Lass

          I`ve been out-Clarkoed! I take it they reduced the capacity slightly from the athletics days?

          • Old Woman Northern Sold

            It has 62,000 seats but attendances were capped at 60,000 so 2000 are covered over. The stadium owners then reduced the capacity to 57,000 so you can see 3000 empty seats at every game. They reduced the number by 3000 because of the problems at the beginning of the first season – fans fighting etc

          • Wor Lass


  • Leazes.

    On the contrary…… Our fans backing for the club has allowed eleven years of Ashley and fifty years of failure….. meak timidity and refusal to make a concerted protest and stance has us where we are today…. an absolute cannon-fodder club!

    Hardly a measure of success now is it Jim?

    • Scottpaige

      So the club is where it is because of our FANS???? You don’t half talk some S**te

      • Leazes.

        No its not personal,. its an overview…..the fans have allowed the club to be run as a failure because when you have all of the seats filled then you don’t need ambition…. this is the way this club has had its mind set in concrete and its outlook and relationship to the fans hasn’t changed in my lifetime.

        The chronicle oversees the stagnation by bigging up the average players and turning on the same players as failures or ‘rats leaving the ship’ when they depart….

        There are many parts to the problem of this club but basically its a collective effort to succeed in hewing a lump of lead in gold mine. The enveloping ethos which surrounds the club is predominantly detached protectionist conservatism…. its a huge problem!

        • Scottpaige

          You baffle me completely. Crazy

          • Leazes.

            To be fair I don’t write stuff for intelligence group G and lower.

          • Scottpaige

            Yep big words drowns out your bull*hit

            I’m sure you impress others

          • Leazes.

            What big words?

          • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

            He impresses Jezza and Micky Love, there is a pattern and I think they are one and the same.

          • MichaelMaximusMoose


          • Albert Stubbins

            Like Aldous Huxley wrote. I’m an epsilon!!

      • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

        Some? That’s an understatement

    • TheFatController

      I don’t think you can force an owner out until you have attracted a new owner in.

      The West Ham negative media whether right or wrong has highlighted to world investors that should they want a PL club, they’d get a club with welcoming fan base, a top manager, and solvent, with us.

      So protesting won’t get rid of Ashley anywhere near as quickly as someone’s money.

      If Ashley can’t sell because he wants too much, then we can protest because then the pressure would be on him to take a £50m or so hit just to be rid of the aggravation. But currently we just back the team and hope a new regime wants us for £300m – that’s not meek, that’s just waiting for economic reality to hit Ashley, a reality not made by protests and people staying away sadly in the days of tv money etc

      • Oldgeordie

        Just seen a Sports Direct ad. 20% off everything. Looks like £300 million should swing it.

    • kingfisher

      Can’t argue with that, Leazes !

  • Will Bellew

    This is unduly harsh on west ham fans, they are generally very good, very noisy and passionate. The media have made a total frenzy out of the whole thing, 4 people ran on the pitch and a small handful threw objects leading to about 20 bans out of 56,000 people. They’ve literally been ripped out of their home into a stadium which just doesn’t cut it. Heritage and history half destroyed over night. I feel a bit sorry for them. That hasn’t happened to Newcastle. If it did then I could only imagine similar scenes if not worse! I’d be fuming!

    • Albert Stubbins

      Agreed. Spot on mate. You’ve been totally shat on.

  • alf garnett

    Similar fanbases in my opinion we had this discussion a couple of weeks ago. Both clubs have appalling ownership; our problem is that our’s have f***** us over in a way that is very hard to reverse by moving us to a athletics bowl in the middle of nowhere. A lot of the protest is around that fact. Lack of success we’re thoroughly used to. I think we’ll both stay up but I’d like to have a bit more to look forward to each year than simply surviving, and I’m sure most Geordies would as well.

    • ghostrider

      What do you think most clubs in the premier league do?
      They simply survive.
      Sugar daddy elites, that’s why.

      If all of those clubs competed fairly then we wouldn’t be a club that just survives like the rest. It would be dog eat dog for most, including the (at the moment) elites.

      • Ram Kishore

        How can u make clubs compete fairly..huh?
        By capping the spend? and wages?

        • ghostrider

          By making them work legitimately from in house revenue.
          Basically it will never happen because it’s too unevenly set out for the elite clubs to pilfer and be allowed to.
          All this 200 million here and 500,000 a week player pay there is a potential digital nonsense that is carried before us as realistic. In my opinion.

    • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

      It’s a fine line, this season is wierd, we have a leading side that’s streets ahead of everything, the next 4 are nothing special, its Burnley & Leicester then the rest of us who all could have gone down.

      It so happens that the managers of each club have got the various teams to their positions.

    • Albert Stubbins

      I agree. We’ve more in common with the jellied eel brigade than the daft makems. I think the cockneys are justifiably mad. Taking them way from their spiritual home on a pretence that has turned out to be nothing more than lies. They’ve got no home, the Boleyn is being turned into flats and they’re watching the clarets in an athletics stadium. Nee wonder there’s bovver!!

      • alf garnett

        That’s about the size of it mate. Imagine you were taken out of SJP and put in an athletics ground outside a shopping centre in the middle of nowhere. That’s literally our experience. Throw in s***bag stewarding and what appears to everyone to be a corporate attempt to exclude and alienate the traditional fanbase in favour of new ‘customers’.

        • Albert Stubbins

          It’s a joke mate. But gold and Sullivan have form. They were going to do the same at brum. Buy up derelict land and build a stadium and pocket the profits. Wronguns.

  • ghostrider

    West ham fans have been dealt a very bad hand.
    From a tight knit stadium into a rented one that does not give them the matchday experience they were used to in watching the game and also facilities during it.

    Also being asked to start a season playing away games because their stadium was in use for other sporting activities.

    They have a right to complain.

    • Dont stop bobbi fleckman

      Right to complain, perhaps but Upton park was a bit if a dump and had a naffness to it. I’ve not been to the new place but their owners would have been made to pass on the opportunity.

      It’s like all fans, if things are going well, they excuse the owners, if it goes badly, they blame the owners.

      • Old Woman Northern Sold

        Spot on – results are everything

    • Albert Stubbins

      They’ve been sold a dream that’s become a nightmare. I stole that from the sun.

  • X,WHY,Y MAN.

    I don’t blame West Ham fans for going berserk at their management taking them to that dodgy stadium against their wishes.

  • Paul Patterson

    I’ve never understood the bad rap we get from sections of the media/rival fans.
    Is it a crime to protest against a regime that actively refuses to do the best it possibly can? That admits (in public) that cup competitions are to be discarded as soon as possible? That treading on club legends is acceptable just because they want what we do? That renaming the ground and chucking a century of history to the four winds is perfectly normal? The list is endless.
    To counter the quote from Derek Llambias for a few years ago (‘You don’t realise how horrible we can be’) I’d state, ‘You don’t realise how nasty the atmosphere at St James’ could have been. I think we’ve been remarkably tolerant after all that’s gone on. Look at West Ham . .

  • Wor Lass

    Anyone who says anything complimentary about us is hailed as a hero on the Mag and anyone who says anything unpalatable is the Antichrist. We`ll be lauding Merse the way he`s going.

    • Leazes.

      Is he going?….I’ll Laud that!

      • MichaelMaximusMoose


      • Wor Lass

        Laudy, laudy!

  • Monkseaton Magpies

    Load of rubbish the fans who protest against Ashley make me sick not supporters of the club at all. The problem at West Ham is the stadium and where it is located it is not a football club any more shame as great lads

  • Mal

    We shouldn’t be too smug. If it wasn’t for Rafa our situation could easily be similar. The true supporters have been ignored. As someone below says how would we feel if we were moved out of our ground into what is basically an athletics stadium?

  • Old Woman Northern Sold

    I’d like to share a different view from a Hammers fan.

    Its the noisy minority that everyone is hearing eg there were between 200 – 400 attendees at a protest before our game with Southampton. The silent majority like our new stadium. We have 25,000 more fans attending matches now and these are fans who couldn’t get tickets at Upton Park or didn’t want to go there. The place was a dump. The whole thing about it being a soulless athletics bowl is just a silly catchphrase that people have latched onto. Its a good stadium with more and better pubs, loads of places to eat, many ways of getting to the ground etc. Many of us think that its a huge improvement. You will always get fans that don’t like change. If they had it their way we’d still be going to the stadium by horse and cart. Its been two years, the old stadium is gone and we are not going back there. The new stadium has a fantastic atmosphere – when we are winning and when the team are playing well. That is the bottom line of the problem. Forget lack of investment, Spurs have a net spend of zero. Are their fans complaining? no, because they are doing it on the pitch. The ones to blame are the manager and the players. You are lucky as you have a good manager.

    Anyway, it looks as though you have done enough to survive. Hope to see you next season.