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Debate of the day: ‘Newcastle, West Ham, Sunderland – Similar problems but 3 very different fan responses’

4 years ago

Today we starts a new feature – ‘Debate of the day’.

Every article we publish on The Mag, fans are invited to comment at the end of it (it only takes a minute to register and then you can comment on anything you read on here).

There are some great conversations between supporters commenting on what has been written, not always agreeing…

We are now going to regularly pick out an article that has produced interesting debate afterwards.

Sometimes the comments can be more interesting that the initial article…but not everybody reads the comments, so we thought they deserve a bigger audience – so that’s why we are doing this new feature.

Kicking things off, we have an article that was published on The Mag on Sunday (11 March).

‘Newcastle United, West Ham, Sunderland – Similar problems but 3 very different fan responses’

This article has led to 185 comments so far and these are a few we have picked out:

(If you want to read the original article and/or leave your own comment (or you can do it at the bottom of this one…) go HERE)

Peaky Magpie:

‘Wonder if Shady Brady comments on this in her weekly column ??????’

Mayor Vaughn:

‘It’s fair to say that for going on 30 years thick and thin Newcastle fans have been magnificent home and away. The atmosphere at home isn’t what it was (Not just an issue at St James’ mind) but no one can question the numbers that have continued to turn up.

West Ham fans were a disgrace today, Mackems i think have proven to be decent supporters by and large over the years but i think their club is going down the plug hole :-).’

The Fat Controller:

‘Surely the big winners of the PL gravy train are the managers who put up with the pressure of losing weekly for a season and then get paid off for the remaining 3 years of their contracts, take a six month break, get another job and put up with the pressure of losing weekly…

4 years’ pay for one year of failure, then a 6 month break with a bit of punditry thrown in.’

Dont stop bobbi fleckman:

Funnily enough, certain posters on here were up in arms that Nufc didn’t bid for those same mercenaries. It was all Ashley’s fault that we didn’t sign Javier Hernandez, Marko Arnautovic, Joe Hart or Pablo Zabaleta.’

Albert Stubbins:

‘Hernandez would have been a success here under Rafa and Arnautovic has scored a boatload of goals for spammers. Who wanted Hart and Zabaleta? not me thats for certain.

Dont stop bobbi fleckman:

Arnautovic has scored a few but that team are not doing well and if you believe he fits into a Rafa side, you haven’t watched much football. The samr applies to Hernandez

Albert Stubbins:

‘I’ve been a season ticket holder for 29 years and my uncle was the first team coach of Aston Villa when they won the European Cup so I do know a little about football but clearly not as much as you.’

Alf Garnett:

‘WHU fan – what you’ve got to imagine is that Ashley took you out of SJP and put you in an ****hole athletics stadium not remotely fit for watching football in the ****ing middle of nowhere. Then tried to exclude the traditional fanbase in favour of ‘customers’. It ain’t the same mate, as what Asheley’s done.

If you want to check the stickability of our fans check out what happens to average crowd sizes when you and us get relegated. We genuinely don’t lose many.

I understand your anger at Ashley, but trust me, what’s happened at West Ham is a whole lot worse.’

Albert Stubbins:

‘I feel for you mate. You’ve been sold a lie. So have we. The only difference is that it took most of us years to cotton on. Some still haven’t. If fat Ashley sold the ground off and had us sharing with Gateshead some on here would say he’s doing it for the greater interest of the club. I hope you get them charlatans out of your club.’


‘Hi m8, I feel for you lot I really do.

Those scumbag owners have ripped the heart out of your club, they deserve everything they get.

If it had of been at all possible the filthy vile cancer that owns our club would of done exactly the same if it was going to fill his pockets some more. I’ve tried to get on knumb for a bit of craic and give our support to the demo’s, but for some reason it’s a ball ache signing up.’


‘Let’s play a game, dumb things that Ashley has overseen:

-Appointing Dennis Wise

-Allowing Wise to sign players without Keegan’s permission

-Using YouTube as our head scout

-Keegan lawsuit

-Appointing Joe Kinnear

-Appointing Alan Shearer


-Sacking Chris Hughton

-Appointing Alan Pardew

-Changing the stadium name

-Not investing enough in the summer 2012 window

-Appointing Joe Kinnear again

-Giving transfer authority to Graham Carr


-Keeping Alan Pardew

-Selling Alan Pardew

-Keeping John Carver

-Jonás Guitérrez

-Steve McClaren

-Not sacking Steve McClaren


-Not selling

-Went on holiday during the January transfer window

Your turn.’

Albert Stubbins:

‘I don’t like spammers but to compare them to the makems in terms of levels of support is just ridiculous. They’ve stayed with their team. Their away support is brilliant they are just very unhappy. I’ve seen this at Newcastle loads as well over the years. I actually think we’ve a lot more in common with the cockneys then them apathetic b******** down the road to be honest.’

Alf Garnett:

‘Hi, thanks for the replies. I’ll try and get round to a more detailed answer later.

However, a couple of points; I’m not saying they’re worse than Ashley, I’m saying that what they’ve done is much harder to reverse and cuts far deeper. Our ground isn’t a football ground. You can’t necessarily change that even if they go. We’re ****ed long term. Secondly, attendance wise the article seemed to be implying that we’ve deserted the team and your mob haven’t which I don’t think is true.’

(If you want to read the original article and/or leave your own comment (or you can do it at the bottom of this one…) go HERE)


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