Manchester City 3 Newcastle 1 – Saturday 20 January 2018 5.30pm

We asked a number of our regular writers to give us a brief instant reaction after the final whistle.

Newcastle lose 3-1 at champions-elect Manchester City.

Jamie Swan:

“Well if there ever has been a better attacking team than this City side, then there can’t have been many.

“Dads and sons day out at City today, son’s first away at 9 years old, but didn’t expect much, and so it proved.

“First half like the Alamo, second half much improved and for as good as City were, they always give you a chance – we could have had a couple.

Chuffed for Murphy. Bigger games ahead.

“HTL.”

Ben Cooper:

“Well we hammered them for the first and last 90 seconds, the bit in the middle was a bit more even.

“We defended well, though when Rafa talks about mistakes getting punished then their first goal was a typical example, Darlow and Clark switched off and it was in the net.

“Likewise, Manquillo for the second goal, even though it was more of a dive than a foul. 

“My only real moan was that again against City we had no plan going forward, all of the training ground time seems to have been spent on defendin, but maybe the attacking plan relied on Shelvey and Atsu and they were both poor.

“Maybe there isn’t a plan in the world that would have fitted Joselu today.

“Mostly well done though, Diame continues to progress, super goal from Murphy and as a unit we defended as well as could be expected.

“One day I hope we have greater aspirations.”

Jamie Smith:

“Other than us actually scoring, pretty much as expected.

“This game was a write off from the minute the fixtures came out.

“Not to ignore the perilous position the ownership of the club is putting us in, but just move past it, we can put this defeat to an implausibly assembled selection of expensive superstars…by moving on to lose to another set of outrageously priced mercenaries next week. Meh.”

Nat Seaton:

“Outclassed by the league leaders (again).

“Great goal by Murphy made the journey (sort of) worthwhile!

“At least we didn’t look like a doomed relegation team tonight, it gives be (a bit of) hope…”

George Stainsby:

“We had a plan, and until the third goal, we were in it.

“Dwight Gayle needs some headers in him, but we were calm.

“Murphy showed a bit of intelligence for the goal. Onward.”

Paul Lyon:

“Pretty much as expected.

“We don’t have the players to go out and give them a game like Liverpool did, nor do we have a side capable of containing a team of Man City’s quality.

“We stayed in the game for as long as we could.

“We scored a goal, our goal difference didn’t take a hammering, which in the grand scheme of things are the positives we can take from today.”

David Punton:

“A week that saw matters off the pitch making all the headlines, and then rounded off with the almost inevitable loss away at oil-rich Man City.

“It was actually a spirited performance this evening, capped by a lovely goal from Jacob Murphy.

“We were in it for a bit at 2-1, but in Sergio Aguero they have a pure goal machine. He makes it look so easy.

“So we leave Manchester empty handed.

“Whether or not Mr Ashley, or anyone else at the club is listening remains to be seen, but we are are in dire need of a few extra players in what is left of is transfer window.

“We’re left teetering on the edge of the bottom three.”

Toon Bano:

“We had some decent performances from Dummett, Murphy, and even Diame did some good.

“The result doesn’t destroy our goal difference or our confidence.

“If anything, I think we can take good heart from this.

“Murphy took his goal very well and will make it tough for Ritchie to get back in the team.

“I have to mention Manquillo and Joselu though. El ChuckleBrothers por favor. Shocking the pair of them.”

Stats from BBC Sport:

Manchester City 3 Newcastle 1

Goals:

Newcastle: Murphy 67

Man City: Aguero 34, 63 (Pen), 83

Possession was Man City 81% Newcastle 19%

Total shots were  Man City 21 Newcastle 6

Shots on target were Man City 9 Newcastle 4

Corners were  Man City 18 Newcastle 0

Referee: Paul Tierney

Newcastle United:

Darlow, Manquillo (Yedlin 66), Lascelles, Clark, Dummett, Hayden, Murphy, Diame, Shelvey, Atsu (Perez 64), Joselu (Gayle 76)

Unused Subs:

Elliot, Haidara, Merino, Ritchie

Crowd: 54,452 (Newcastle 3,000)



  • MichaelMaximusMoose

    I`m getting sick of saying it, but we need a striker.
    it was embarrassing watching Hoss today, everything he tried to do went straight down the schitta & he was more a danger to us than an asset.
    Please get rid of the man

    • mentalman

      the way we set up today we’d have been better playing atsu as the striker

    • kingfisher

      If Chelsea were/are interested in Big Andy and Peter Crouch,surely we should be interested,even if just on loan ? “The Hoss” couldn’t get a game for Stoke, that says it all !

    • Geordiegiants

      I agree he needs to go, he just isn’t good enough. We don’t have a striker though, and him and Mitro are equally as poor in different ways.

  • Steven05

    We need a striker

  • glassjawsh-got-banned

    better goal difference against citeh than Liverpool. That’s something at least.

  • Steven05

    I’ve had a drink. Maybe it’s been spiked, who knows. But I thought Diame did more than Shelvey today. And not for the first time this season.

    • anyobrien

      He seems to be getting bee each game dare I say it.

      • Michael Smith

        i`d keep that a secret

    • Oooh bobbi fleckman

      Shelvey was closed down as he was our playmaker. Diame was having a lot to do, he shows more heart but he’s a compromise in so many areas. He got into a great position at 2-1 and just struggles to choose the best option. Compare their 3rd and it was like watching a computer game, they chose the right option at every juncture.

      • Damon Horner

        Shelvey was closed down because that’s what City do. They’re a very fit side.

  • jack

    You’ve got to play mitrovich now , joselu is useless ,,give mitro a run , and get rid of manquillo too

    • Damon Horner

      Not likely to happen mate. Mitro looks like he’s on his way out if we get a taker.

    • Soldier

      joselu & Gayle aren`t up to it at this level as for Mitrovich, there`s more chance of Hoss scoring a hat trick against Chelsea than Rafa playing him

      • Mike Adam

        And that is true INSANITY on Rafa’s part!

    • Mitros gotta start

      Will never happen
      ….rafa is too stubborn and scared to be proved wrong

  • Damon Horner

    Glad that’s out the way. Pleased Murphy got off the mark.

    • Geordiegiants

      Murphy looks like a good one for Jabba to make some more money out of!

      • Damon Horner

        Can’t contemplate it. If Ashley weakens this team further without strengthening he deserves all the stick he gets.

  • TheFatController

    I won’t say ‘5 things we learned’, but I will say that the player who Rafa has scouted and was a planned buy as one for the future looked well worth £10m

    And the two Spaniards bought unplanned but as a reaction to having the rug pulled from under the manager looked like a waste of £8m combined.

    Moral of the story? Our owner’s dishonest and dishevelled approach to transfer windows means what little money we have got often gets wasted.

    See also:- Doumbia, Ferreyra, Saivet…

  • Soldier

    replace Joselu & Diame and we`ll stay up, apart from Dummett the defence was awful, 1 penalty & Aguero given all the space in the world. schoolboy stuff really

    • mentalman

      I thin diame’s had some good games recently.

      Hoss is a guaranteed starter for the rest of the season after his recent goal

    • anyobrien

      Great movement from Aguero… You can’t teach that he’s a natural striker

  • fistsofsteel2

    Once again Rafa’s hyper negative tactics made sure we lost.

    I wish he’d let them play football sometimes. The odd foray forward showed we carried some threat. Even our players are beginning to look frustrated having to adhere to stubborn Rafa’s hyper negative tactics.

    • Oooh bobbi fleckman

      i was at the last game away to City , we played free flowing stuff, we went 1-0 up and Gouffran played as the holding midfielder. we then got stuffed 6-1 with the most comprehensive performance from old Serg

      • Leazes.

        Did you meet up with Kevin in Wigan?

        • Oooh bobbi fleckman

          Yes Wayne, I did. I went dancing to Double Gray at the Casino on Whizz

        • Oooh bobbi fleckman

          Does this mean you’ve unblocked me ? You think your poor little sensibilities can cope with someone pointing out your little fibs?

          Good for you Sofa, I enjoy the banter even if you make it a bit too easy for me. Try not to lie do often though, I catch you out.

    • Duh

      Every time we did go forward, city countered and my underpants turned brown. Unfortunately they are way ahead of us and the only strategy is to try to keep it tight and nick a 1-0 win or a draw whilst protecting goal difference.

      • Mitros gotta start

        No excuse for doing it at home the last 10 matches though against the mighty swansea and the like

      • joe mac

        my thoughts exactly!….see the mong fistsofsteel comments above!!

        • fistsofsteel2

          So why did we concede the majority of possession to bottom of the league Swansea?
          Rafa is a has been. He’s won nothing for years. He’s lost it. His tactics and squad management are a crock.

    • joe mac

      yeah…i agree….bout time we got rid of the manager thats won just about everything that you can win domestic or european…replace him with mark hughes!..who by the way says he,s the best manager in the p.league!..class!….or gary monk!….or?….you tell us on here who you want!..i,m sure we are all listening!….over to you!

      • Mitros gotta start

        Rafa is a chequebook manager without a chequebook….we need someone that can work with average players and get the most out of them and play the best players available to him and put a team out that will have a go…its obvious to everyone the fat slug isnt gonna help him in the transfer window…..horses for courses or we will be in the championship without even putting up a fight.

        • Tino o

          Get a grip stupid

        • Tino o

          We have just went to Man City and put up a decent performance and could easily went away with a point with our squad assembled for next to nothing! Check out the rest of the big spenders!

      • Finnbar

        Well said joe,Rafas made a silk purse from a sows ear with this squad,Pardew,McClaren,Carver,Kinnear et all would be watching over loss after loss.
        Let’s give Rafa some credit where credits due,the alternatives simply scare me.

    • anyobrien
    • Tino o

      Dic

  • fistsofsteel2

    Why can’t Rafa see Joselu and Manquillo are a crock? Is it because they is Spanish?

    • joe mac

      no….its cos thanks to arbuckle we have nobody else!..can you not see that!

      • Mitros gotta start

        Mitro and arrons for a start

        • anyobrien

          Don’t see the big deal in arrons myself…I read the hype but what I’ve seen of him poor.

          • Mitros gotta start

            Yeah….Mitro has got a scoring record of 1 goal every 2 games for his club and has scored 8 out of 8 for his country despite not getting picked for his club….he is pure shyte isnt he.i can see why Rafa picks joselu ahead of him every game…..its getting beyond a joke now with Rafa….aarons has looked decent every time he starts…certainly no worse than the others that get picked ahead of him

          • anyobrien

            100%agree with mitro he’s exactly the kind of player I like but we we’re on about arrons?.. And I don’t personally think he’s done much imo.

          • Mitros gotta start

            Aarons has a better goals to game ratio than all of our strikers apart from mitrovic….and this from midfield

          • anyobrien

            Really can’t remember him playing that much tbh… Always injured.

          • Geordiegiants

            Why has none else come in for Mitro then if he is a goal every game international and a goal every other game premier league striker? I’m sure Pep, Jose, Klopp, Conte, Poch and Arsene would all love a striker with those stats.

          • Mitros gotta start

            22 teams have come in for him!
            Doesnt help that Rafa the liar wont pick him despite having the best scoring record at the club

          • Geordiegiants

            22 teams? Ha ha ha, Blyth Spartan, Gateshead, South Shields and who are the other 19? No one will pay his fee man, we bought him 3 seasons ago when fees were small now he is a goal a game international and goal ever other game prem striker and no one will give us our money back? I think all of the football coaches and scouting systems must of missed this one.

          • Mike Adam

            Well actually, in the EPL it is a goal every 220 minutes played. Joselu EPL only, a goal every 320 minutes. Draw your own conclusions. It is complete insanity not to give Mitro a runnout this year!!!

          • Geordiegiants

            Well that is the first time I have seen a balanced argument for him, he might well be the best on paper. He is also definetly worth using now and again, but as you quite rightly point out, he is no Alan Shearer, that is the point I have been trying to make all season and not one Donkovitic lover seems to get it. Everyone seems to think he is the answer, the new messiah, the goal machine that is going to come in and make all of the difference, put simply he isn’t the answer to our goal scoring predicament, but could help in the last ten / twenty minutes when we are chasing.

          • Mike Adam

            You absolutely do not know whether he could score goals this year at 23, just as I do not know that he could. But, the facts are that he has scored a goal every 220 minutes played in the Premier League, that nobody can deny and the point I have been trying to make all season and YOU and the other RafaLovers don’t get it. I am not a Rafa hater and I do not want him to go, but continuing to run the Spanish Donkey out and not give Mitro a run is INSANITY which is by Einstein’s definition “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different results”.

        • Geordiegiants

          Flog a dead donkey and Aaron’s looked a decent player but has obviously done nothing to claim his place.

  • Andy Mac

    I think we have to accept that if we hadnt gone “backs to the wall” for most of the first half Citeh would have been out of sight by HT. The fact we were still in it at 80 suggests that we have to take whatever comes our way against some of these “moneyed” teams.

    When will the PL see that these massive financial imbalances between clubs ultimately affects the quality of games on the pitch which are viewed throughout the world by a hungry audience who may just go off the “product” if this continues ?

  • John

    19% possession bahahahahahahahahhaha

    • Leazes.

      …is it a rocket….is it a plane….nah its a bus!

  • Geordiegiants

    Getting beat off Man City what a disgrace, Rafa Out!

    • anyobrien

      Aye they’ll be out in force the neet

  • Alreet

    Hard fought but in the end 500 million worth of talent showed. Always a writeoff. Need to look ahead to more winnable ties.

    • Leazes.

      Like Swansea…at home….yup!

      • Alreet

        Like the team that just beat pool who also beat city. Erm………..yea

  • Tino o

    Disagree with the doomed relegation comment we looked decent tonight!

    • Leazes.

      So long as the 3 teams worse than us don’t spend, and we don’t start picking up injuries we might scrape through….

      ….both possibilities are slight.

      • Tino o

        But more than possible

        • Leazes.

          No just possible….watch what happens.

      • Danimal

        I think we will have to finish above the other two promoted teams if we are going to stay up. They have both been spending.

      • Tino o

        Certainly not doomed then

  • Leazes.

    Congrats to Al for his comments on MOTD putting the record straight to a few London journalists…. now have a quiet word with Jermaine Jenas about his daft misconceptions please!

    • Cockneytrev

      I agree, one or two on here slagging him off (one moron wanting him banned from the ground)
      He’s more or less always stuck up for us, probably worried that Ashley takes the hump and does even less for the club.
      Pundits on BT saying he’s put 250million into the club, (Ashley) need to do a little research,,I’d love to hear what Rio would say if it was the glazers who were saying there’s no money for players,,,,

      • Leazes.

        He couldn’t do less for the club….its not possible.

      • Clarko

        He has put £250m into the club. He bought the club for £134m, loaned the club £129m soon after, in December 2016 he loaned the club a further £33m and during his ownership the club have spent €421.37m on players, with a -€74.88m net spend. You should do your research.

        • Cockneytrev

          no one knows what he’s taken, out,,,
          you Ashley hoop licker,,👅👅

          • Clarko

            Do your research.

          • Cockneytrev

            Ashley hoop licker,,👅👅

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Yes they do, it’s a statutory requirement to disclose, he discloses the salary, dividends, loan repayments and benefits. He has taken nothing out (net) but has had use of a suite.

          • Cockneytrev

            No they don’t,,
            If you honestly believe that the accounts provided are the definitive running of a business ,, your as idiotic as you always sound,,
            That includes all the names you write under
            Hoop licker👅👅👅

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            So, on the one hand, I refer to audited statutory accounts that are extensively checked.

            On the other, you refer to stuff made up on Twitter and down the pub.

            You are extremely stupid.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Think about it Trevor, you are telling me that whilst Mike could have legitimately withdrawn between £129m and £144m during the last 11 years, he could do so tax-free with no problem whatsoever.

            Instead, you are telling me that he’s squirreling money out of the club in some bizarre parallel to Viz’s Elton John Scamming character?

            Get real for flip’s sake

          • Cockneytrev

            I never mentioned any amount,,,
            Get a life
            Troll,,,

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Well, the insults are getting kinder.

            Did you need to mention an amount? You seem to be seriously telling me that Mike Ashley will commit corporate fraud to give him a little extra pin money when he has access to millions that can be legitimately withdrawn tax free?

            Firstly is to understand how you think he can do this but why would he do that?

            I just don’t think you’ve thought this through.

          • Cockneytrev

            you said it hoop licker👅👅

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            I said what?

            Were you any chance in the slow learners class at school days?
            Can you explain how he can do what you claim and why would he? Also, have you any evidence of what you claim? It’s just, in life I’d usually expect some logical reasoning

          • Cockneytrev

            Hoop licking troll,,,👅👅👅

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Come on Trevor, either back it up or admit to being simple.

          • Cockneytrev

            But obviously not as simple as someone who agree to his own posts,, like all trolls very tough behind the keyboard,,
            Hoop licker,,,👅👅

        • Danimal

          Does a minus net spend equal a net profit/surplus, call it what you will?

          • Clarko

            *€74.88m net spend.

        • Danimal

          Ok, let’s have a go. 134 plus 129 is 263. Plus 33 is 296. Pounds. Then we suddenly switch to Euros and it’s a minus 74.88. Given that the exchange rate has varied quite a bit over ten and a half years, I’m not sure what to do with that. Shall we say 50 million quid? So he’s spent £246m. Has he creamed off anything else during that time? For example, land sales, free advertising, tv cash, parachute payments, all the money from the club shops, etc etc? And is the net result a more valuable club than the one he took over? It doesn’t look like it.

          • Clarko

            As stated/corrected earlier the net spend is positive, Newcastle/Ashley have spent €74.88m. So Ashley has put ~£296m + ~€75m into the club.

            Anything the club earns goes back into the club, Ashley has took no money out of the club to my knowledge.

            I think it’s important to state the the topic and issue was related to the comment, “pundits on BT saying he’s put 250million into the club, (Ashley) need to do a little research”.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            He bought the club for £133m, sorted the debt out with £129m loan an additional loan was made but repaid but in 2016 a further £15m was put in via st James holdings (£33m from sjh but £18m repaid in Mike’s name).

            The car park land was sold by the club to sjh in 2010 as well as the shares in the Mgm joint venture, the club made a profit of around £3m.

            No TV money, tv cash, parachute payments, or money from the club shops, etc has been creamed off, that’s just a silly comment tbph

            Free advertising? £2-3m a year should be seen against the interest free loans. Put in perspective, the club paid £8.5m on it’s debt in 2007 – I think the club are getting a good deal.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            You asked “And is the net result a more valuable club than the one he took over?”

            The club in 2007 was technically insolvent, it’s balance sheet was a minus figure, it was losing £33m a year. It is now asset rich, mades profits under the old TV deal and with wages in control, likely to make about £20m in 17/18.

            Mike paid too much gore the club in 2007 but to answer your question, Yes, the club is worth a lot more?

          • Cockneytrev

            Bollocks
            Hoop licker,,👅

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            I’m going to regret debating with a mong but would you like to explain?

    • Monkseaton Magpies

      Shearer hates the club as well a sad and bitter man just like George from the times and his mate Luke Edwards.

      • nufcslf

        I think he hates Cashley’s constant pysh taking of a club he fought tooth and nail for as a player. It’s called bleeding black and white not Sports Direct. This set up is a disgrace and simply not good enough. Has absolutely nothing to do with football and everthing to do with fatty’s back pocket. The penny pinching barsteward is a billionaire for f**k sake with millions of more from tv revenue, it’s time to spend a bit of it and help a lost sinking cause…..HIS AT THAT…….Painful to think it can be defended.

        • Oooh bobbi fleckman

          Shearer works tooth and nail for one person, Alan Shearer

          • Jezza

            Shearer was at NUFC for ten years. Your mate/employer Fat Ash has also been at the club for ten years. Which of those two do you think has given more happiness to Newcastle fans during their time at the club?

            The very fact that you love Mike Ashley and hate Alan Shearer makes one thing perfectly clear.

            YOU CAN NOT POSSIBLY BE A NEWCASTLE SUPPORTER.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Mikes won more in his 10 years

          • Jezza

            Fair do’s we never won the Championship title when Shearer was playing for us, never even got a crack at it did we.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            My tongue was slightly in cheek.

            The point I am making here is Shearer’s comment that 9 of yesterday’s team being in the Championship last season was meaningless / a bit stupid. Rafa has picked those players, he could have picked 6 players that came in during the summer and history tells us that we’ve successfully started seasons where 9 of the players had been in the 2nd tier promotion winning side in hte previous season.

          • Jezza

            I’m blocking you now. I like to use this forum to exchange
            banter and engage in civilised debate with fellow football supporters. I have to say that you and your brother are making it a very heavy space here and spoiling it for the majority of decent people on this forum. You are clearly not Newcastle supporters and only come on this site to wind people up with your deliberately calculated antagonistic comments posted under multiple ID’s. I don’t know what your motivation is but it is obvious you have both got very unfulfilled lives and that internet trolling together gives you both a sense of purpose. Neither of you would seem to have much of a life outside of the internet and are probably engaged in a dysfunctional co-dependent relationship. I have got visions of you both living together like the Collyer brothers in New York in the 1940’s. I am not going to waste any more time on you two. I will leave it to somebody else to deal with your nonsense.

      • Danimal

        Christ, that’s two of the Monkseaton Three at large at the same time. Assuming you’re not all the same person (which seems highly likely given the incessant irrational drivel you spout), why don’t you get together with Clarko and Ghost and sacrifice some goats or something to your good lord Ashley when the next full moon comes around.

        • Geordiegiants

          They are all the same person, I know this because I blocked one, and can see nothing from all three, if that is what your saying?

          • Danimal

            Seems likely. “They” all post the same ridiculous comments in the same infantile style. Then Bobbi ‘I’m an accountant don’t you know’ usually turns up later, attempting to put some gloss on it. Perhaps it’s like some nightmarish version of Charlie’s Angels…Mike Ashley’s low budget remake, featuring four blokes in a darkened room somewhere in Monkseaton.

          • Geordiegiants

            I’m not sure Bobbi is the same, as he does occasionally talk some sense, occasionally being very!

          • KRS1

            seen a post from Monkseaton last night where he say’s “shearer hates the club” That says it all. Defend Ashley and attack shearer – sad little troll.

          • Danimal

            Yep

          • Jezza

            Says it all doesn’t it.

  • Steven05

    We have a team of players who are trying and arguably hitting above their height

    So I ask you (you know who you are) – which manager should we get who could do better than Rafa?

    He’s not just the best of what’s available – he is better than what we deserve at this moment in history

    Has he played too defensively against the potential champions league winners, and got hammered 4-1 on aggregate? Shocking. Disgusting. Let’s replace him with a typical Ashley puppet

    We don’t know what the future holds, but we don’t need further embarrassment brought from a minority of fans blaming Rafa for not producing gold from pennies

    Please – keep things in perspective. You can’t blame Ashley for not funding the squad, and then blaming Rafa for not achieving what is currently not possible

    Could we play more attacking? Yeah. Could we get destroyed more often? Yeah.

    We are a championship team punching above our weight – because of Rafa

    • Clarko

      And why are we a Championship team?

      • Steven05

        Because we have basically the same team as last season – and have not strengthened like our competitors have

        You know this.

        • Clarko

          And why do we have the same team as last season? Why haven’t we strengthened?

          • Steven05

            I feel like this is a trick question, so I’ll take a stab in the dark… Mike proven liar Ashley??

          • Clarko

            How is it Ashley’s fault that we have a Championship team?

          • Steven05

            No idea pal. It’s not his fault that the only two players that started were from stoke and sunderland, and we haven’t strengthened. Some clubs use transfer, merchandise and sponsorship income to fund the team. I’m at as much at a loss than you, I can’t work it out

          • Clarko

            Does Mike Ashley decide who to scout and who to buy?I’ll answer since you have a problem with answering questions. No he didn’t. Benitez did, Ashley supplied the money. Below you can find the amount that ourselves and that our competitors spent before the winter window opened:

            Watford €61.50m
            Swansea €50.30m
            Newcastle €49.30m
            Brighton €47.60m
            West Brom €45.70m
            West Ham €45.40m
            Huddersfield €44.40m
            Southampton €39.40m
            Crystal Palace €37.20m
            Stoke €34.90m
            Bournemouth €34.30m
            Burnley €34.04m

          • nufcslf

            Cashley had the final say on everything Sports Direct United you pillock. Why defend the piece of sh*t.

          • Clarko

            I’m not defending anyone, these are just the facts.

          • nufcslf

            I’m obviuosly following the wrong football club because my facts show me a man who knows nothing about football running it into the ground and after 2 relegations it prepared to suffer a third.

          • Clarko

            Well, if your “facts” tell you that Ashley is responsible for the team that we fielded today your “facts” are wrong. Feel free to provide an actual argument with some evidence that supports your point, I’ll wait…

          • Ram Kishore

            He’s indirectly responsible for the team fielded today Clarko… He’s part of the loss today.
            Don’t forget this is Manchester city..we would have lost anyway even if we did have a 20 million worth striker

          • Clarko

            How? You saying he is responsible doesn’t make it true.

          • Ram Kishore

            We are gonna loose anyway yesterday even if we did have a 20million striker… I just wanna clear up that first
            I don’t have any anti Ashley attitude or anything.. just seeing the facts..
            U can’t expect a team with hard working less talented group to beat the best in the league

          • Mike Adam

            Why, Crystal Palace got a point against them. What we can’t always have is a defeatest attitude against opponents, points are possible on any matchday are they not?

          • Phil

            Football finance expert Kevin Maguire: “Between 2008 and 2015 Mike Ashley spent a net £700k (on average) a season on players.

            Does that make him ambitious? Considering our sound financial footing due to the fat one why is our net spend so low? Why does he pay our chief exec 150k a year? Ever heard the phrase ‘you get what you pay for?’ Why are all of his sky ‘interviews’ so one sided? Why are we being investigated by HMRC? Why have we been relegated twice and avoided a third on the final day of the season since he’s been here? Why do we currently have a championship squad? Why did keegan get paid compensation? Why did jonas get paid compensation? Why has land been sold around st james’? Why does our board consist of 2 blokes? Why do we have to stare at sports direct signs all around our stadium? Why does he continually lie? Why do 90% of us hate him?

            Why do you love him so much?

          • Clarko

            Kevin Maguire is living 3 years in the past, even then his numbers are off, as of right now Newcastle have a €74.88m net spend during Ashley’s tenure.

          • Phil

            I’ll go with the ‘experts’ facts and figures.

            With regards to the other questions the simple answer is. The bloke is a clueless, classless, c word of an owner! He refuses to learn from mistakes. Lies. Gives statements which aren’t worth s**t and most importantly he does not care! Horrible man defended by yourself.

            Mike and clarko sitting in a tree…. 👄👅👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

          • Clarko

            No, you will go with out of date, incorrect information because it suits your agenda/view.

          • Steven05

            Of course he doesn’t.

            Keegan wanted Xisco and Gonza and Ashley is not a proven liar. Rafa always dreamt of buying Joselu. Ashley wanted Hypia and Modric but Keegan said no. Rafa could have had Reina but declined. Ashley loves to sign players in January but his managers don’t allow it. But it’s fine – after all Ashley has never taken a penny out the club and is always the last one to know what’s going on at the club. I would never have believed that but he told us so – round about the same time he admitted in court to deliberately misleading the fans and the media

          • Clarko

            And there we go, the basis of your argument is centred on events that occurred 2008, Newcastle buying Xisco in 2008 does not tell me why Newcastle have a Championship standard squad in 2018.

            No onto the more relevant parts of your comment. Benitez chose to buy Joselu. That was short…

          • Steven05

            Rafa didn’t want Reina, Kennedy or Abraham?

          • Clarko

            Was Ashley responsible for those players not signing with Newcastle? Again I will answer. No, Abraham didn’t want come to Newcastle and opted to go to Swansea, Chelsea refused to let Kenedy leave without finding a replacement and Reina wanted to stay at Napoli.

          • Steven05

            So going forward and make things better – maybe Ashley should start knowing the first thing that goes on at the club, starting taking a penny out the club, and start having anything at all to do with transfers?

            You’ve embarrassed me. I won’t drop to your attempt at personal insults but I will say I’ve misunderstood you. You are either a fan of another club, I wannabe wind up merchant, an Ashley employee, or someone with nothing better to do. It’s possible that you are all of these things. Either way I’m sorry for feeding your addictions. Goodnight mate, sweet dreams

          • Clarko

            Steven, I have no idea what you’re talking about, none of that comment made sense to me.

          • Steven05

            Nah, you’re letting your guard down now, you’re making it too obvious that you are a liar now! 😉

          • Clarko

            Like most of the “exchanges” on here, this has been a waste of time. Have fun being uninformed and ignorant.

          • Steven05

            I hope you mean that. Hopefully in future you can stick to forums concerning your own club. And then, maybe you will finally answer the question of who you think the dirty deluded mags could get who’s better than that Rafa fellow

          • Clarko

            “I’ll just ignore what he says, call him a non fan, and ask him who is better than Benitez even though it has absolutley nothing to do with the conversation”

          • Steven05

            And you can continue to ignore the question that’s been asked of you, and blame everyone but Ashley for taking us to the verge of 3 relegations in 9 years. Or, you can stick to your own club, or maybe just be realistic. It’s up to you really – but just remember this – nothing is Ashley’s fault

          • Clarko

            What question?

            You have still failed to answer the initial question as to how Ashley is responsible for the team being Championship standard?

            You can’t change the subject because it suits you, I am not arguing about the relegations and who is at fault, straw man. I’m arguing about who is responsible for the Championship standard squad.

          • Steven05

            The question you have been asked several times without answer is who could we (sorry, Newcastle) get who is better than Rafa

            My answer to your question is Mike Ashley – the guy in charge of the finances, who has overseen a decade of lowering Newcastle United

          • Clarko

            I know what your answer is, I don’t know why? Why is Ashley responsible for our Championship standard squad?

            Why would I answer a question that has zero relevance to the conversation? I do not want to start a different argument when you’re incapable of finishing the first one.

          • Danimal

            He keeps the chat going, so perhaps just a Mag stooge.

          • Ram Kishore

            I’m on clarko’s side for this one.. These players didn’t wanna come

          • Ram Kishore

            Ig clarko is right here

          • Danimal

            Oh the irony. The cretinous decisions of 2008 don’t give you a clue to why we still have similar cretinous decisions being made in 2018? I’ll give you a clue – we still have the same cretinous regime. You utter cretin.

          • Clarko

            “I can’t structure a valid argument so I will just call him a cretin, that will get him”

          • Danimal

            Ok, read it without the last sentence.

          • Clarko

            I read it and I failed to find any examples of these overlapping “cretinous decisions” that occurred in both 2008 and 2018.

          • Danimal

            You’re not very observant then are you? The rest of us have been pulling our hair out as your zero hours hero has been repeating the same mistakes over and over again. Goodnight.

          • Clarko

            And there we go. You couldn’t give an example. Goodnight.

          • Ram Kishore

            I guess u got an answer on to buy which star studded striker for 5 million who is ready to come for 30 to 50k a week…

          • Clarko

            I do, you don’t spend ~£22m on Murphy, Manquillo and Joselu and instead you spend that on a “star studded striker”.

          • Ram Kishore

            Then which right back or a left back u r gonna use when yedlin, Gamez, Haidara, and our home grown left back… So from 22million
            what all can u do..

          • Clarko

            You need to read your comment before posting, I can’t make sense of it.

          • Megatron1505

            Genuinely interested Clarko, you seem to believe (have stated) that Rafa signed players for positions which didn’t need strengthening, and that he should have spent the money on the forward line, correct?

            Your opinion, and I don’t necessarily disagree in principle.

            However, for your opinion to be valid you must know/ have insider knowledge over what money was made available, how it was to be spent, why deals didn’t go through and specifically that the manager was told that if he spent the money as he did that the cupboard would be bare for a striker.

            You must know that Rafa was aware that he only had £5m left for a striker and so backed himself into the corner of signing Joselu.

            You must categorically know that he had not been told that he would have significant funds to buy a striker after his other purchases.

            Because of course if you don’t know these things you are just speculating right? If you weren’t privy to what was agreed between Ashley, Charnley and Rafa you’re just spouting right?

            So who’s your source Clarko?

          • Clarko

            It’s an area for discussion at the very least.

            Logic and the information that is publicly available is my source. Before the window had even opened who was the striker targeted by Benitez? Abraham on loan (no loan fee). If Benitez thought he had more to spend why would his number one priority target be Abraham on loan? Look at the other targets after the Abraham deal failed, Sandro Ramirez who moved to Everton after his €6m release clause was met, Ashley Barnes who was linked with a £6m move to Newcastle and Batshuayi who was linked with a loan move. All of this occurred before the arrival of the three players mentioned, this tells me that a specific budget for a striker was set by Benitez and I think there is a good argument that he got it wrong.

          • Megatron1505

            And what is it that makes you think that a specific striker budget was set by the manager? From what you say (have read in the tabloids) the manager had a reasonable list of targets (his job) which the club (Ashley’s money and Charnley’s negotiating skills) failed to deliver for one reason or another. So surely that is not the fault of the manager?

            Being as all the strikers which you/ the tabloids listed as being targets were of roughly the same price bracket logic would dictate that a budget was indeed set for a striker, just wondering what your evidence is that the manager set that budget.

            Obviously this is dependent upon what your read in the tabloids being absolutely what happened behind the closed doors in Shirebrook and at St James’s Park.

            The other option being that you know no more than anyone else but choose to slant it against the manager.

          • Clarko

            How is the failure to acquire the likes of Abraham and Caballero (2 of 4 priority targets) the fault of Ashley of Charnley? These are people, not objects, Abraham wanted to move to Swansea and Caballero wanted to move to Chelsea.

            Benitez is in control of transfers, the man said so himself:

            “I will have responsibility for the football business, and I’ve had assurances that If I don’t want to sell anyone, I don’t have to. We can keep every player if we want and we can bring in players if we need them.”

            Keywords being “football business”, unless you have any conflicting evidence, you have to assume that this is true.

            This information is not from “tabloids”, it’s from Benitez, it’s from well respected journalists, it’s logical. If you choose to ignore that information, that’s on you, not me. You have offered nothing to counter the argument that I have put forward.

          • Megatron1505

            So let’s summarise the assumptions you have made in your response.

            1) That “football business” means negotiating transfer of players. I read that as not having to sell anyone he doesn’t want to.

            2) That the reasons given to the tabloids for players not arriving are 100% accurate (did you witness the discussions?).

            3) That you appear to confuse facts with newspaper speculation if you deem it to be from a “respected journalist” (what is your exact criteria for this respect please, and how does it make what they print fact?).

            4) You seem to have no idea what logic is. You see, logic would be based on empirical evidence, say like a history of saying that managers have full charge of transfers but not actually allowing that.

            So, still awaiting your “evidence” please.

          • Clarko

            See, this is just a pointless task, you’re just happy to ignore any evidence or information that goes against your view/agenda.

            1) “we can bring in players”

            2) Benitez on Abraham, “Yes [he could have been here], but he’s not here. We have to be sure we improve our players.”

            3) Benitez on Abraham, “Yes [he could have been here], but he’s not here. We have to be sure we improve our players.”

            4) Logic : reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity, the quality of being justifiable by reason.

            Have fun being ignorant 👍🏿

          • Megatron1505

            “See, this is just a pointless task, you’re just happy to ignore any evidence or information that goes against your view/agenda.”

            That’s fantastically hypocritical and very amusing, thank you.

            So, again in summary, you have no evidence? Thanks for playing 👍

          • Ram Kishore

            It’s just simple logic man..
            A normal club with limited funds needs to prioritize according to their needs..

          • Clarko

            We didn’t need Murphy, we have Ritchie, Atsu, Aarons and Perez.

            We didn’t need Manquillo, we have Gamez, Haidara, Dummett, Sterry, Colback, Mbemba and Yedlin.

          • Ram Kishore

            Do u remember that yedlin got injured in the beginning of the season..
            Gamez was brought in as a backup not a starter and don’t worry we bought for nothing..

            He made clear he didn’t want colback.. just because colback played on the left back once in 2016 when Rafa took charge u think he can be used

            Fyi Dummet was injured
            I’m not a Ashley hater.. just seeing the facts like u

          • Clarko

            So you’re in agreement that we didn’t need Murphy and Joselu? That’s ~£17m saved.

            On the full backs. We had 7 possible players for 2 positions, we did not need an 8th, do you know what we did need? A striker.

            Of the games recorded by transfermarkt, Colback has played 38 times at left back in his career.

          • Phil

            We needed a striker. Our tight budget meant we got Joselu

          • Ram Kishore

            Maybe he needed a Right legged winger
            We needed a striker..for 5 million we couldn’t get go for many choices..
            Tammy didn’t wanna come
            Maybe plan B striker was signed by Manchester city…
            Plan c too failed ig
            Then he had to go for a striker
            Plan D joselu ig
            Just a speculation..

            As for Murphy..maybe he saw something in him..

            Please don’t keep saying the same about full backs..we needed one to step up when yedlin got injured

          • Clarko

            It’s just pointless, you just stating ifs, buts and maybes. Have fun.

          • Ram Kishore

            U r just quoting the number of matches played .. not the wins that we made from those matches..
            Perez was mostly a makeshift left winger

          • Clarko

            And you’re quoting nothing. My something trumps your nothing.

          • Phil

            You’re suggesting it is ok to play a cm at lb and a striker as a winger

            Very wise

          • Clarko

            I suggesting that a player that has made 30 appearances as winger is capable of filling in as a winger and I’m suggesting that a player that has made 38 appearances at LB is capable of filling in at LB. Madness I know.

          • Phil

            Madness from Rafa not wanting to rely on players ‘filling’ in and playing OUT OF POSITION

          • Clarko

            You’re not relying on a player if he is your 7th choice LB, you’re not relying on a player if he is your 4th choice winger.

          • Phil

            No. It would be desperate to use your 7th choice lb and not ideal to rely on a striker to be your winger

          • Clarko

            Manquillo was not needed when you have 7 alternatives. You’re not relying on a player when he is 4th choice. Have fun.

          • Phil

            7 alternatives. Including long term injured players. Players from the u23’s. Ginger jack and a CB?! Neeeee bother clarko.

          • Clarko

            Yep, 7.

          • Phil

            It’s like saying rather than driving to work you have 7 alternatives. Walk. Crawl. Hop on one leg. Get the peasant wagon. Hitch hike. Get a piggy back off Quasimodo or car share with clarko! You are going to use the most sensible option and avoid option 7 at all cost aren’t you?!

          • glassjawsh-got-banned

            it’s pointless to debate with a living breathing jar of mayonnaise, friend. just have a glass of your favorite beverage and go to sleep. you’ll be better off for it.

          • Phil

            I have a 2 week old child mate. Whilst my wife feeds her I am trying to show this child the errors of his way

            I do get the feeling I am pi$$ing in the wind though

          • Ram Kishore

            Don’t cry clarko

          • Phil

            Gamez, haidara (injury prone) sterry a squad player at best. Colback is a midfielder. Mbemba bought as a CB. And yedlin is a right back. So yeah we did need somebody like manquillo

            Perez is not a winger so we did Murphy.

            Your comment is pathetic

          • Clarko

            7 players for 2 positions, we did not need an 8th. Do you know what we did need? A goalscorer.

            Of the games recorded by transfermarkt, Perez has made 30 appearances as a winger. He’s fully capable of playing as a winger.

          • Phil

            His assists and goals tally would suggest otherwise

          • Clarko

            A goal/assist every 224 minutes. Great return.

          • Phil

            2 goals and 1 assist in over 1,300 minutes of football does not suggest a creative guy to me. Nor one with an eye for goal

          • Clarko

            You’re selectively ignoring his other 27 goals and 9 assists. You like ignoring evidence don’t you, did Kevin Maguire give you the Perez stats?

          • Phil

            No. Your favourite website transfermarkt actually. They represent this season in the league. If it is a credible website of course. If it’s good enough for you…

          • Clarko

            You’re selectively ignoring his other 27 goals and 9 assists.

          • Phil

            You are ignoring the fact I already said I’m going off this season

          • Clarko

            You “going off this season” is you selectively ignoring his other seasons with Newcastle 😂 😂 😂

          • Phil

            How are they relevant when we need goals and creativity now??

            Maybe it is his past that made us look elsewhere?? The fact he isn’t played as a striker regularly and plays as our 4th choice winger occasionally suggests it wasn’t that crazy to try somebody else

          • Clarko

            “How are they relevant when we need goals and creativity now?”

            Because you said that “his assists and goals tally would suggest otherwise” when I suggested he is capable of playing as a winger.

            Off the watch the UFC/Bellator. I’m done.

          • Phil

            Ok you go enjoy watching those nigh on naked men rolling around the floor! Don’t pull your tadger to hard!! It’ll drop off!! ✊🏻💦

          • Ram Kishore

            You have selectively ignored the facts ..we were talking about him being played in the left wingers role..
            Don’t include the goals from his other positions

            I think u made a cherry pick here..
            Just take a second and think and then type if I am being wrong

          • Mike Adam

            What we should really look at is stats in Premier League games because that is what really counts. In EPL games, Perez has played 5,781 minutes and has 15 goals and 3 assists, that is a goal/assist every 321 minutes.

          • Clarko

            And I believe that is a great return for €2m player who has played in a relegation team since his arrival, at the age of 20.

          • Mike Adam

            Yes, not bad, I agree. In reading your posts above, am I correct in concluding that you are in favor of Rafa using more of his available squad as well as questioning his player purchases?

          • Clarko

            Not specifically in favour of using more of the available squad, just the idea that there is more to use. That relates to my questioning of specific purchases made in the summer.

          • Mike Adam

            We may not have as talented a squad as some teams, but points are possible from any match, Palace got a point against City. I still cannot understand why on a team who’s strikers cannot score goals, Mitro is not given a runnout this season. In EPL play, in 2,206 minutes played he has scored 10 goals which is a goal every 220 minutes and when you add his assists, which IMO he is under rated in, it’s a goal or assist every 158 minutes played. The trust issue is rubbish! To keep sending out Joselu is insanity, That is my biggest problem with Rafa, along with waiting too long to make substitutions. Again, we all know that the team needs investment, so the Ashley’s fault people need not reply, I am simply addressing managing the current squad of players because that is all a manager can truely do. And I do want Rafa to stay, I just question these few things.

          • Clarko

            I agree. The only conflict being investment, I agree that the team does need further investment, but that is not because it hasn’t had enough investment in the past, it’s because that past investment was used poorly.

          • Mike Adam

            I totally agree. Like Rafa saying we need a keeper, that is the least of our worries, plus he already wasted money on a bad keeper. Darlow is more than capable IMO and has actually played really well when given a run! We need to score goals that is where our investment is needed! Or give the best goal scorer we have a runnout this year and see what he might be able to do!

          • Ram Kishore

            How many matches did we win when he played as a left winger..??
            Does transfermarket say this?

          • Clarko

            Yes it does, go and look for yourself.

          • Ram Kishore

            Maybe he doesn’t wanna take risk with Aarons or maybe he has a different opinion… Maybe he has a reason..
            And don’t forget u don’t analyse the team on daily basis by watching them closely

          • Clarko

            “And don’t forget u don’t analyse the team on daily basis by watching them closely”. How do you know? Do you analyse the team on a daily basis? How is this relevant?

            You’re trying to make subjective excuses. We had the numbers and quality, we didn’t need Murphy.

          • Ram Kishore

            This is not Math ok
            Nor moneyball
            nor FIFA
            How do u say Aarons is very much ready to make the step up. Maybe benitez felt he didn’t
            This is what i wanted u to understand..
            I’m not going away from the topic

          • Clarko

            Maybe Benitez feels that Aarons is ready. Maybe Benitez feels that Murphy isn’t ready.

          • Ram Kishore

            But clarko is not the manager..so whatever he feels will only do good in Fifa manager..
            Get on with your joystick lol

          • Clarko

            Ah see, look at that, you couldn’t take your own medicine.

          • Ram Kishore

            So are u man..
            Do u think that colback could play really well at left back postion..
            I’m not saying Rafa is infallible..he has his mistakes especially when it comes to not playing Mitro and Mbemba at left back..
            But others he had to do what he felt right..
            If u want him to get sacked.. u can always say that.. but ever since I have been a fan of the club.. None of manager had been backed by the fans this much..
            I never had a problem with Pardew too
            He was a decent manager
            .whom I would say wasn’t backed properly.. the club was doing ok under him and he had his failures too

          • Clarko

            I never said Colback would/could play well at LB. I never said that I wanted Benitez to be sacked. I have never mentioned Pardew.

          • Ram Kishore

            But u said we could use him..
            Rafa didn’t want to use him as a left back

          • Clarko

            We could.

            “Rafa didn’t want to use him as a left back”. Not the point was it.

          • Ram Kishore

            He didn’t want to use him because he knew colback can’t play there

          • Clarko

            38 appearances.

          • Mike Adam

            Sorry, I did not read down this far before my above question.

          • Mike Adam

            The bottom line to me, Ashley aside(we all know investment in players is definately needed), Rafa must manage/utilize the players he has! I DO NOT WANT Rafa out I simply want him to utilize ALL of his available players. Nobody can convince me that we don’t have better options than Joselu and Manquillo on our roster. Albert Einstein’s definition of insanity is “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. There is no reason, (although I will be told there is because Rafa knows more and see’s them in practice everyday, and doesn’t trust them), that players like Mitro and Mbemba do not play! And why is Merino out of favor??? Yet Shelvey continues to play. I believe that Darlow is more than capable and is playing very well, and there is no need to buy/loan a keeper, there are much more dire needs!!! Rafa use you ENTIRE squad and stop the insanity,

          • Ram Kishore

            From your post I literally see one thing..u say u see facts..but all the facts are pretty much cherry picked to your favour to criticize Rafa and only him..if you are really fact based unbaised person why don’t u see the other facts too regarding other stakeholders..
            U seem like a Hypocrite

          • Clarko

            Again, no evidence or examples in your comment, just random accusations. Where have I cherry picked facts? Where have I been a hypocrite? Quote me.

          • Ram Kishore

            Are u lawyer man??
            You don’t see the mistakes of Ashley even when u see the facts

          • Clarko

            I don’t see any evidence of hypocrisy or cherry picking. I wonder why…

          • Ram Kishore

            38 appearances to support ur claim that colback should play left back
            Rafa doesn’t want colback in his preferred Midfield why in a leftback position where he could be exploited very easily

          • Clarko

            Wrong. 38 appearances to support my claim that Colback CAN play left back.

            Still no evidence of hypocrisy or cherry picking.

            Off to watch the UFC/Bellator. I’m done.

          • Ram Kishore

            That is called cherry picking when u keep refering to that to criticize Rafa’s signing

          • Clarko

            No.

          • Ram Kishore

            Yes

          • Ram Kishore

            U say u only see facts and criticize..
            But u r not seeing all the facts and criticizing
            And u keep telling others don’t see facts
            So a bit of hypocrisy lol

          • Ram Kishore

            U say u only see facts and criticize..
            But u r not seeing all the facts and criticizing
            And u keep telling others don’t see facts
            So a bit of hypocrisy in there

          • Westdentoon

            I hope you fall doon the stairs whilst on your way to watch it and break your neck!
            Be careful not to wake your Mam and Dad up though. Moron.

          • Ram Kishore

            Referring 38 matches for colback
            Do u seriously think he can step in for Dummet..
            This is cherry picking.. if u missed that

          • Clarko

            No, it’s not.

          • Ram Kishore

            Yes it is😂

          • Mike Adam

            So every move/decision this manager makes is correct and beyond reproach???

          • Ram Kishore

            Mike. . U just read only one of my comments.. I told before Rafa is above anyone .. he’s just like any other manager who makes mistakes.. not infallible.. I always had doubts regarding Mitro and Mbemba being left out

          • Ram Kishore

            Maybe clarko needs to watch matches and see that Murphy is playing regularly which says he is a bit more ready than Aarons ia

          • Clarko

            No, it means that Murphy is playing more than Aarons, it doesn’t tell you why.

          • Danimal

            That pretty much covers it.

          • Ram Kishore

            That’s good..can keep clarko under the bed for a while

          • Jezza

            Not forgetting that Ashley gave Rafa £200 million to buy Harry Kane but Rafa signed Joselu instead and pocketed the money.

          • Cockneytrev

            😂😂😂😂😂

          • anyobrien

            Another t1t to add to the list

          • Clarko

            “I don’t have an argument so I’ll call him a name, that will show him”

          • anyobrien

            Daft [email protected] There’s another for ya stats you bore. Chin chin.

          • nufcslf

            Because he is cheap lying fat c**t.

          • Clarko

            I’m sorry but that is not the answer that I’m looking for.

          • nufcslf

            I’m sorry, sometimes the truth hurts…….

          • Jezza

            Get back to your warcraft convention with all the other 40 odd year old virgins.

          • Clarko

            “I don’t have an argument so I’ll call him a virgin, that will show him”

            Embarrassing.

          • Jezza

            The only person embarrassing himself here is you. I’ve got a very valid argument but I am sick to the back teeth of trying to get through to people like you who are in steadfast denial and beligerently stick to your guns no matter how many times you are proven to be wrong. For the record it is Fat Ashley’s fault we have got a Championship team because he has sold every decent player this club has had in his time here at the first given opportunity while always chronically under investing in the playing staff.

            It is his fault because he would only allow a net spend of £11.5 million to prepare a Championship team for the Premiership. Net spend is the key factor here not total transfer outlay. Let’s put this in terms you can relate to. Say you wanted some new toys for your warcraft collection and they cost £300. If you only had £100 to spend and had to swap £200 worth of toys from your existing collection to get those new toys, your collection may now contain £300 worth of new toys but its overall value has only increased by £100 hasn’t it.

          • Clarko

            It’s just not true is it. We don’t sell our best players (relegation aside), who was the last player we sold? Debuchy for €15m in the Jul 2014? Cabaye before that for €25m in Jan 2014? Who did we sell before those two left? Carroll for €41m in 2011? If you count Debuchy (I certainly do not) we’ve sold 3 of our “best” players since our first promotion a whole 8 years ago. Absolutely disgusting (sarcasm).

            Net spend is not a “key factor” when talking about the summer 17/18 transfer window in relation to Newcastle because, again, we didn’t sell anyone of importance, we did not weaken the team through sales, the only contributing squad member we sold in the summer was Daryl Murphy, that’s it, no one else, all other incoming money came from the sale of players who never played for the club, making net spend irrelevant when talking about Newcastle’s summer window.

          • Jezza

            Yoy are in denial, ignoring the facts and trying to pull the wool over my eyes yet again, Clarko/Bobbi. You have conveniently omitted the likes of James Milner, Shay Given, Charles Nzogbia, Demba Ba, Gini Wijnaldum, Andros Townsend, Daryl Janmaat, Kevin Nolan, Moussa Sissoko and many other top players that Fat Ashley has cashed in on.

            Net spend is of course a key factor. The players we sold in the summer might not have been much use to us but under Fat Ashley’s policies, they still had to be sold to generate transfer funds. If none of those players had been sold Rafa would have had a mere £11.5 million to spend in total. Rafa was not given his summer transfer budget in one go in May, he was given little bits here and there as and when players were sold.

          • Clarko

            Again, you can see in my previous comment the words “relegation aside”, it is not fair or valid to criticise the club for selling their players when it has been relegated, that is a necessary task to keep the club running and to keep the club performing on the field. That removes Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Janmaat and Townsend (release clause) from your list.

            Ba was sold because his release clause was met, meaning that it was not the clubs decision to sell. Nolan was sold for €3.4m in 2011 (7 years ago), again that was clearly a footballing decision and not a money decision. Milner handed in a transfer request in 2008 (10 years ago), again not a money decision. N’Zogbia left in 2009 because of the Joe Kinnear incident, not a money decision. Shay Given leaving in 2009 is your only valid example and when you only have one valid example your argument is not valid.

            Your argument for net spend is an imaginary hypothetical, it’s just not valid. Newcastle had saleable assets from spending in previous windows, assets who were of no use to the playing squad and were sold, it did not weaken the squad meaning net spend is just not relevant in this case.

          • Jezza

            You have got an excuse for everything but it does not mkake you right.

            Just let me ask you:

            1 Do find it perfectly acceptable that NUFC can no longer pay the kinds of transfer fees they were routinely playing 15 years ago?

            2 Do find it perfectly acceptable that NUFC have not got the spending power of clubs like Brighton, Burnley, Watford, Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, Swansea, Wolves and Middlesborough?

            3 Do you find it pefectly acceptable that NUFC have not broken their transfer record for 13 years and counting?

            4 Do you find it perfectly acceptable that the limit of NUFC’s footballing ambitions under the current regime is to finish fourth bottom of the Premiership.

            5 Which would you prefer to see, a profitable NUFC making a lot of money for the owner with a failing team or a successful NUFC team?

          • Clarko

            No, they’re not excuses, they’re facts. It’s a pointless task answering further questions and changing the subject when the initial issue hasn’t been resolved. Newcastle do not actively sell their best players, Ashley does and has invested enough in playing staff and net spend in regards to the summer 17/18 window is unimportant and irrelevant to this discussion.

          • Jezza

            You are a sad deluded fantasist. You only come on this forum to stir things up and provoke a reaction. You are not interested in having a sensible rational discussion you just want to start rows to boost your self esteem and I am not going to waste any more time indulging you. I am blocking you forthwith. I suggest you get back online with your warcraft game and update all the other graduates from the academy of no girlfriend on your anthropological experiment in winding up socially functional football supporters.

          • Clarko

            And there we go, you have nothing to say.

          • nufcslf

            Very good

          • anyobrien

            Dont get involved clarko, fistsofsteel2, ghostrider and Monkseaton mags all [email protected] just ignore.

          • Leazes.

            luckily all the same person

  • nufcslf

    I think Murphy looks a good bet to be sold this month on that performance today. Go on Mike, you know you want to……

  • ghostrider

    Rafa Benitez is embarrassing this club with his set ups.
    Man City in first gear and us still doing the General Custer routine.
    Go 1-0 down and still carry on doing the same stuff.
    Come out in the second half and still carry on.
    Lose another goal and then have a little flutter in their half with Murphy (good lad) using his pace to calmly finish and then back to being messed with.

    And people are going on about our goal difference not being badly hurt, lol.
    Man City were a shambles yesterday and yet still won at a canter.

    • robbersdog

      You’re embarrassing yourself with comments like that; Rafa Benitez is getting the maximum out of a chronically under-funded squad of Championship players.

      The problem at our club is the owner, not the manager.

      • ghostrider

        He’s getting the maximum defensive work out of the players, I’ll give you that much but he’s killing the talent inside of the players who are geared for attacking, not defensive.
        The man is a joke.
        This team is more than capable of having a go for 90 minutes of trained correctly into a balanced unit.
        Rafa Benitez must spend 99% of his time having them trained in the art of defending.

        The man is complete and utter embarrassment and is turning decent players with potential into a backwards mode.
        He’s stifling the natural ability.

        You and other fans hate for the owner is clouding your mind to the nonsense that is our manager and the media hype that Rafa is world class.
        Maybe once upon a time but not any more.

      • Jezza

        Ghostbuster is a serial wind up merchant who used to post on this forum as “alan pardew’s black and white army”.

    • anyobrien

      Predictable and now very boring you really are a bit of a t1t.

      • ghostrider

        Makes no sense. What are you trying to say?

    • Rob

      Can you possibly imagine what City would do to our championship quality side if they played anything other than counter attack?

      • ghostrider

        I can imagine that we’d give then a better game than just sitting back like hook a duck.

      • Mitros gotta start

        So what is his excuse for playing so negative at home against the mighty swansea?
        There is a reason he has a worse record than mclaren.

        • Rob

          Swansea is a different matter and to be fair we had enough chances to bury them but not a quality striker to put them away.

          Push Rafa out and you’ll end up with Mark Hughes or worse.

    • Tino o

      Don’t talk utter rubbish

      • ghostrider

        You carry on idolising him, you’re entitled to do that.
        I’ll continue to call him nonsense until he shows otherwise.

        • JonMag

          would you prefer Mark Hughes ?

          • ghostrider

            I’d prefer a manager that’s willing to play footballand try to score goals as well as trying to ensure that we score more than the opposition.

            I do not want a manager that thinks getting beat 1-0 is a good result.

        • Cockneytrev

          As you idolise Ashley
          Hoop licker👅

    • Geordiegiants

      You are embarassing the club and yourself with the drivel that you come out with.

      • ghostrider

        Rafa’s doing that job and doing it well. Such a shame.

    • Phil

      You did well to type all that with one hand. Considering the other one is constantly occupied entertaining clarko!! ✊🏻💦 Weirdos

      • ghostrider

        Another comedian.
        Do you write your own original stuff?
        Guffaw guffaw.

        • Phil

          A comedian tells jokes… I’m stating facts! [email protected]!!

          • ghostrider

            It appears like you’re trying to tell jokes.
            I was just being polite in building your confidence to make it appear they were good one’s.

          • Phil

            No need for good manners. I think you are a [email protected]

          • ghostrider

            I don’t know what that means.

      • Jezza

        Priceless.

  • JonMag

    The only decent defender yesterday was Dummett the other 3 were shambolic
    one gave a penalty away & the other 2 gave Sergio Aguero the freedom of the park. Yedlin on the bench was a fatal error

    • mentalman

      he didn’t do much better when he came on

    • Cockneytrev

      yedlin is more attack mind Rafa had obviously set the team up to defend,,
      WIth 20 minutes to go , we are still in the game, bring on the more attack mindedness full back to get at them,,
      Their last goal came down yedlins side, that was the chance that we took,,
      The limitations of our squad make it almost impossible to play any other way than Rafa set up last night,,
      Some morons who post on here with numbers and statistics have not a clue about football and get it all from these stats web sites,,
      I agree with your best defender, I also thought he was our best player,, he hardly missed a challenge/block in the first half , but the other defenders did also did well,, the ball in for the first goal was world class,, the second goal was a soft penalty and the last goal was a moment of magic of sane, although I thought he should have been stopped,,

      • mentalman

        Yedlin came on because manquillo was injured not so we could have a go at them.

        Most goals are conceded from Yedlin’s side

  • kingfisher

    As Alan Shearer said on MoTD last night: Something is only worth what someone will pay for it, and that’s fine as Mike Ashley is the owner, and it’s his choice, but the reasons the fans are unhappy are 1) : 9 of the team v City were playing in the Championship last year and 2) : Every Premiership club (except Newcasle) has broken their transfer record over the last 2/3 years.Newcastle last broke their transfer record in 2005, when they paid £16 million for Michael Owen. That’s 13 years, 11 of which Mike Ashley has been the Owner.

    How anyone can defend his Ownership is beyond me. You can argue ’till black is white who’s fault it is that we are in the position we are in now but, as in every business, the buck stops with the man at the top !

    • Mitros gotta start

      Aye…the owner for not investing in the team and the manager for wasting what little money we do have on buying players in positions we dont need to improve.

      • Jezza

        What positions did Rafa strengthen that you don’t think needed strengthening? Genuine question.

        • Mitros gotta start

          Goalie….mats sels…5m
          Right wing…murphy..12m
          Cb….lejeune………..7m
          Theres 24m that could have gone on a decent striker

          • mentalman

            clark has shown his level over the last few games and mbemba isn’t trusted so we did need new cb’s and still do

          • Mitros gotta start

            Not before a new striker…we have been crying out for 1 for ages…this should be looked at 1st before any other position

          • mentalman

            when the team Is set up to defend rather than try and win games by scoring goals you don’t really need strikers

          • Peter Stabler

            That is bizzare logic – if you are set up to defend you need to score when you do pinch the ball and get into their half, it is staring us in the face every single game!

          • mentalman

            your going to struggle to score when your striker or number 10 are playing so deep they can’t keep up when you pinch the ball and get it in the opposition half add to that defenders aimlessly playing it forward

          • Peter Stabler

            I would agree if we hadn’t been creating 3, 4 or 5 chances early in games and paying a price later for not converting any of them. Doesn’t apply v £Man City£! If we sit deep we invite them on giving us more space to play into if we can pinch it off their back line.

          • Jezza

            I don’t believe for a second that Fat Ashley would ever have allowed Rafa to spend £24 million on one player. He certainly would never sanction the wages a £24 million player would command. Sels was also signed the summer before last so his fee came out of a previous budget. To be fair to Rafa he did have Javier Hernandez and Tammy Abraham lined up at the start of the summer but Fat Ashley pulled the plug on both deals.

          • Cockneytrev

            Hernandez would have been ideal to come off the bench yesterday, not sure if he is a hold up player, but I’d have him above any forward we have,
            Dwight Gayle missed another header that a decent forward would have put away..

          • Martin Rooney

            Have you seen him this season west ham a happy to take a ten mil hit just five month after buying him

          • Jezza

            He’s certainly a lot better then anything we’ve got.

          • mentalman

            Tammy Abraham would probably disagree with you on that one

          • Jezza

            No he wouldn’t, the deal was agreed and the player wanted to come to Newcastle.

          • mentalman

            funny that, TA did a interview on sky where he explained he could have gone to nufc but chose Swansea because he’d been advised to by his coaches as they knew clement and knew he’d get more of a chance with him than rafa, no doubt you’ll believe Ashley paid him to say this to deflect blame from him

          • Danimal

            No, he’s bigging up the club he ended up at. As any player would.

          • Mike Adam

            Statistically this season he is no better than Joselu. Just much younger.

          • Martin Rooney

            We’ll see

          • Cockneytrev

            I agree these players were/are all poor signings (Murphy is still young took his chance well) but in Rafas defence, what other players could he bring in with the restraints being put on him with the lack of funds he is able to use?

          • Jezza

            Another thing worth pointing out is that Rafa wouldn’t have been handed his entire budget in one go at the start of the summer, he would have been given little bits here and there as and when the club sold players.

          • Mitros gotta start

            Ok..do you think that instead of spending 12m on murphy we should have spent that and the 5m on joselu on a 17m striker?

          • Jezza

            Rafa had a £17 million striker, Javier Hernandez lined up at the start of the summer but Fat Ashley pulled the plug on the deal. Rafa is not the one to blame for the club not signing a quality striker in the summer.

          • Martin Rooney

            But that’s not true as we now know he’s on £45k at west ham well within the nufc structure. And we’ve dodged a bullet as they try to sell him for 7.5m now

          • Jezza

            It is is entirely true that Rafa had Hernandez lined up but don’t take my word for it, take Alan Shearer’s when he talked about it on Match Of The Day the other week.

          • Geordiegiants

            He wouldn’t sanction one big signing man, FFS what do you not get? HE WILL NOT SANCTION A BIG SIGNING ON BIG WAGES!

          • Leazes.

            Catch 22…. Ashley has sanctioned Rafa’s targets…. but not their wages….

          • Geordiegiants

            None of the players that he wants will play for shytey rags, no matter what he is willing to pay to buy them.

          • Martin Rooney

            Shelvy 90k Rafa on £5m per year the twelfth highest in world football, get ya facts right crackerjack

          • Jezza

            I’ll be surprised if Shelvey is even on half the figure you quoted/plucked out of the air.

          • Geordiegiants

            You taking the pee or what. I don’t have a clue what Shelvey is on, but I would bet my house he isn’t on close to those wages. Even if he was those wages wouldn’t be met while the club is for sale.

      • kingfisher

        Fair point Mitros,however most Managers make some mistakes.I shudder to think of some of the donkeys we’ve bought in the past.I remember reading an article last year about when the new owner of Liverpool met Rafa for the first time and Rafa asked him for funds to buy a Left Back.The owner said “a Left Back “? youv’e already bought 6 !
        Perhaps an indictment of a cheque book Manager right or wrong, who can say?

        • Martin Rooney

          So managers can make mistakes and owners can’t but they do have to drove into their own cash to correct the managers???????

          • kingfisher

            Yep.The Owner employs the Manager so ultimately if the Manager makes some bad decisions the owner has to back him (to a certain extent).I suppose it comes with the territory of owning a football club.If Ashley can’t stand the heat in the kitchen, he should sell up, as he is trying to do.

            Any businessman who understands anything at all about running a football club should know that any Manager needs substantial financial backing to not only be successful, but to avoid the perilous situation we find ourselves in YET AGAIN through the owner not backing the Manager sufficiently !
            It’s common knowledge that if you don’t invest sufficiently in the playing side of things, you not only don’t progress,you go backwards as generally all of the other teams are spending money on new players. As I’ve said in a previous comment,rightly or wrongly the buck stops with the man at the top. Owners can’t accept the fantastic ritches that’s available nowadays in the Prem without taking risks,and realising that you have to speculate to accumalate

          • Jezza

            No Fat Ashley most certainly does not have to dip into his own cash and no Newcastle fan has ever wanted him to. All we ask is that he re-invest some of the revenue the club generates from sources such as television money and incoming transfer fees.

    • Jezza

      It’s a good point about 9 of yesterday’s team being in the Championship last season and that doesn’t even tell the full story either. It’s not as if we had two world class players alongside all those Championship cloggers either. We had one player who couldn’t hold down a regular place in the worst team in the Premiership and another who couldn’t even get a game for Stoke City’s reserves.

      • kingfisher

        At the end of the day Jezza,the team sheet speaks for itself. It looks as though all of the teams around us are doing their best to keep us in the Prem. At the moment that’s all we can pin our hopes on !

      • Cockneytrev

        Peter crouch said Joselu was let go because they thought he was too weak for the premiership,,,

    • Oooh bobbi fleckman

      Shearer has been reading Chris Holt’s Twitter page.

      We’ve not broken our transfer record like other premier league clubs as the other clubs were in the EPL for these two bumper years so we’re playing catch-up.

      We also wasted our money on so many players such as Owen in that era meaning we had to financially recover from that time.

      When we were promoted in 1992/3 and 2010, we opened the season with the bulk of players from the previous season, with kks side I recall papavasulu and Allen being the new players in our first few games.

      • Jezza

        Utter nonsense as ever. In 1993 the club also made their first two million Pound signings Andy Cole and Peter Beardsley. As ever you are being very selective and distorting reality to suit your twisted agenda.

        • Oooh bobbi fleckman

          Andy Cole played in the Championship, I saw him get dog’s abuse at Swindon Town (in the first division) because he came from Bristol City.

          Beardsley didn’t play the first 10 games, IIRC he played his first league game at the corresponding fixture at Swindle in the premier league.

          Beardsley was not a huge fee, seen by many as on the wane.

          You say I’m being very selective and distorting reality to suit my twisted agenda?

          • Jezza

            More nonsense. Andy Cole was signed in March that year in preparation for the Premiership as promotion was virtually assured by that stage. Peter Beardsley was signed for £1.4 million which was £600,000 more than Everton had paid for him two years previously. It was Newcastle’s second highest tranfer fee at the time, eclipsed only by the £1.75 million they paid for Cole. It was also the first ever million Pound transfer fee paid for a player over the age of 30 in the history of British football. You don’t half spout some rubbish on this forum. The big mistake you always make is in underestimating the footballing knowledge of the people you are trying to fool with your nonsense.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            so you are agreeing with me, Cole played in the first Div with us and we didn’t add many players after promotion in that summer. In 93, there was no window but nevertheless, the starting squad by and large got promoted.

          • Jezza

            Cole was bought for a club record fee of £1.75 million at a time when promotion was more or less assured. He may have played the last few games in the Championship but he was bought for the Premiership. You tried to get away with peddling the blatant falsehood that NUFC did not spend much in 1993 and you got found out and shown up and as ever you are making a pathetic attempt to save face by changing the subject.

          • Cockneytrev

            😂😂😂😂.
            He’s a sad bore,, with nothing better to do in his sad life than to come onto this site,,, he’s a troll with multiple names,,

          • Jezza

            You’re spot on. Fleckman, Clarko, Monkseaton and Ghostbuster are two brothers who each post under all of those ID’s and possibly others. They are not Newcastle fans and they are not from Monkseaton. One or both of them are S****s D****t employees with a misguided sense of loyalty to Fat Ashley. They come on this forum purely to wind people up with their deliberately calculated antagonistic comments. They have obviously got very unfulilled lives and internet trolling together gives them a sense of purpose.They have obviously got a disfunctional co-dependent relationship and I have got visions of them living like the infamous Collyer brothers in New York in the 1940’s.

          • Cockneytrev

            Well they know very little about football judging on their comments..

          • Jezza

            Correct. Everything they write about NUFC comes from google searches. They are actually Manchester FC “supporters”. That’s why they hate Alan Shearer so much, because he turned them down twice.

          • Cockneytrev

            I think Martin Rooney is also the same bloke/blokes,,,
            Honestly,, could you be bothered,, very sad lives,,,

          • Jezza

            You could well be right. You’ll probably find that Martin Rooney is a character in a Marvel comic or sci fi film or something, that’s the world they live in. The Clarko ID comes from Superman’s alter ego Clark Kent.

          • Cockneytrev

            There’s a Martin Rooney does MMA coaching, I know because I’ve seen some of his training techniques,,

          • Jezza

            You just keep trying to twist things to save face every time you get found out. You tried to infer that NUFC didn’t spend big when promoted in 1993. I proved you wrong and that’s all that needs to be said.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            No, I just pointed out that we did not change the side drastically when we went up. We started with 2 (?) New faces at home to Spurs.

            Also, 2010, we hardly added to the squad that got us up with Perch being the new face that started v Man U that season

          • Jezza

            No you didn’t point out the side didn’t change much you tried to claim the club didn’t spend much and you got found out.

            We didn’t spend much upon promotion in 2010 because your greedy blood sucking mate/employer owned the club by then. Luckily the team survived that time because we already had two of the best players in the country, Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Proved me wrong by stating Cole was bought when we were in the first division which is what I said? No wonder you think I’m wrong so often.

            I wasn’t inferring we didn’t spend big, I stated that we opened the season with the bulk of players from the previous season. As we found out feet, we bought big later in the season.

            Given that we bought in Murphy and Merino for in excess of £10m each, we’ve not exactly gone short but that’s another argument.

          • Jezza

            You can go on splitting hairs all you want over the timing of the Andy Cole transfer but the facts are he was bought for a club record fee that was double the previious club record and he was bought for the Premiership. You also claimed that Peter Beardsley was bought for a small fee and you got found out on that one too.

            I don’t know where you get your figures from but if you think “we bought in Murphy and Merino for in excess of £10m each” then you are wrong yet again.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            It was £1m which was not huge, we’d been in the 2nd Division for 4 years, it was just big by our standards.

            The point I made is he didn’t start the season, I was being as selective as Shearer,

          • Jezza

            Do yourself a favour and stop digging yourself into an even deeper hole every time you touch your keyboard. Go off and look up the Andy Cole transfer fee and stop spouting nonsense on this forum.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Andy Cole was in the side that got us promoted, iirc the fee was £1.75m but my point is clear, he was in the first division with us.

          • Jezza

            He was only with us in the first division for the final few weeks of a nine month long season. He was not a regular member of our squad that season he was only there at the end. He was signed for the Premiership at a time when promotion was all but assured. Give it a rest and stop slitiing hairs, changing the subject and making pathetic attempts to save face.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            So he was in the team in the championship, you agree with me. Jeez, no wonder you get stressed.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            I’m not splitting hairs, I’m saying we started the season with most of the previous seasons team, that included Andy Cole. We did not start the season with Beardsley as he was injured by Razer Ruddock.

            The reported fee for Murphy was over £10m and Merino was a loan fee of €3m and perm fee of €9 which depends on the exchange rate but close enough to £10m

      • kingfisher

        Ashley’s been the Owner for 11 years Bobbi,so has made a lot of money from the Prem. It’s true we’ve missed out recently,but don’t forget he’s not a millionare,he’s a billionaire,so should be able to provide sufficient financial backing to ensure we move forward and at least maintain our Premier League status.

        • Oooh bobbi fleckman

          He’s not made anything out of the prem yet.

          He’s not obliged to keep putting money in, I have BT shares, every time they need a new phone box or need a new set of records for dial-a-disc, I don’t get asked for more money. Ashley’s argument must be that NUFC should be able to wipe it’s own.

          I feel this transfer window will see incoming players, FFP is not the big issue if we’re only paying wages for 6 months. Mike Ashley’s cash position possibly is not in play here, I very much doubt the club needs Mike Ashley to put any money in to finance these purchases. I suspect the issue would have been to get PCP to come up to his asking price if they were keen to get their feet under the table

          • Geordiegiants

            It would wipe its own if it got all incoming money and advertising.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            The only money it misses is £2-3m in sports Direct advertising, this may have already changed.

      • whitleylad

        You conveniently forget that the 1992/93 promoted side already had class players in the shape of Lee, Venison and Beresford, and then towards the end of the season we were already starting to prepare for the Premier League by signing Cole (in the same way that Rafa wanted to sign Townsend last January).Even more conveniently you ‘forget’ to mention that we signed a certain Peter Beardsley before the season started and then broke our transfer record twice during the season with the signings of Fox and Peacock. There’s just no comparison between that and the total lack of backing that Rafa has had over the last three transfer windows (including the current one up to now).

        • Jezza

          Excellent comment. Fleckman thinks he can fool people with the utter rubbish he spouts on this forum but he doesn’t realise that he’s dealing with people who are a lot more knowledgable about football than he is.

        • Oooh bobbi fleckman

          Perhap, to make it clear, I should have said something like “we opened the season with the bulk of players from the previous season”

          We had Lee from first division Charlton, Bez from first division Portsmouth and Vennison was not getting a game at a Liverpool side seriously on the wane but that’s not my point. The point is our promoted sides of 2010 and 1993 did not see many Summer recruits.

          • Megatron1505

            However under completely different circumstance, in completely different markets and with completely different quality of players, but yeh…..apples are oranges to suit your argument Bobster.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Maybe to make it clear I should have referred to the promotion of 2010, the year with transfer windows and a team of players that Shearer himself could not organise?

            I could have said something like”When we were promoted in 1992/3 and 2010, we opened the season with the bulk of players from the previous season” note “and 2010”

          • Megatron1505

            We signed six players in summer 2010 and sold eight. Of the six signed four of them featured (or were bought to feature in the case of Sol Campbell) in the first team.

            In the January we sold Andy Carroll and replaced him with Shefki Kuqi.

            Still, different times, different markets and different quality of player already in the first team…..apples are not oranges.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            We bought £40m plus of player this summer, I’d agree it’s a different market but Shearers point was meaningless imho

          • Megatron1505

            If you choose to ignore the context of football transfers in 2017, even at the lower end of the Premier League, and choose instead to convolute it with a situation and a market seven years old then yeh…..Shearer had no point.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Shearer had no point because he said most of the side were in the championship. Well, that ignored that two of Benitez’ bigger summer signings were not picked, hence I made the comparison to the starting xi for the 1993/94 & 2010/11 seasons

          • Megatron1505

            So the manager should pick the team based on transfer value rather than utilising his squad as he sees fit? Or he should be picking players who are either injured or just getting over an injury?

            I’m still not making any sense of what you’re saying Robert?

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            All I’m saying is Shearer’s point was meaningless, we had bought £45m of player, it’s not the owners fault Rafa hasn’t picked them.

          • Megatron1505

            So he should select the team by transfer value?

            Shearers point was that the majority of the team was comprised of championship level players, this is correct.

            Your counter point is that Rafa should select players in favour of fee paid, even if they are injured or recovering from injury.

            If you signed Messi for £300m would he be better than if you got him on a free transfer?

          • Cockneytrev

            Brilliant,,,,,😂😂😂,, made him look the mug he Is..
            he’s a sad troll posting under various names,,

          • Megatron1505

            Bob does well when he’s baffling folks with financial science, not so much when he talks about football. Bless him.

          • Megatron1505

            Also worth mentioning that we only stayed in the league that season (2010/11) with one game to spare. Is that the level of ambition still or are apples not oranges?

          • whitleylad

            And my point is that the 1993 promoted side didn’t NEED many summer recruits. It doesn’t matter which clubs Beresford, Venison and Lee came from, the important point is that they were already Premier League class (Venison and Lee went on to play for England), plus we already had the amazing talent of Andy Cole. Add to that little lot the summer signing of the brilliant Peter Beardsley (and the record signings of Fox and Peacock later in the season) and you can see how foresight and ambition resulted in our third place finish in our first season back in the top flight.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Well, I’d agree with that but that was not my point. If you read my post correctly, there is no argument.

  • kingfisher

    Here’s an interesting stat for the younger fans who could be excused for thinking that Newcastle have always been c***: According to Wikipedia, N.U.F.C. are the ninth most successful English League club of all time:

    8 League Championships.
    6 F.A Cups.
    7 times F.A. Cup runners up.
    1 Charity Shield.
    1 Fairs Cup.
    1 Intertoto Cup.
    1 League Cup runners up.
    2 Premier League runners up
    Obviously it’s been well documented that the last trophy of any worth was the Fairs Cup back in 68/69.
    Where did it all go wrong ?😭😭😭

    • Geordiegiants

      With Jabba, we were on our way back up until he fed off us.

      • kingfisher

        Can’t argue with that Jabba, spot on !!

      • kingfisher

        Oops, sorry. meant Geordie

    • Martin Rooney

      1970