Pep Guardiola talks while Rafa Benitez inspires.

Definition of pep talk:  a usually brief, intense, and emotional talk designed to influence or encourage an audience

Going into the game against Man City’s fantasy football team most fans, whilst dreaming of an unlikely victory, would probably settle for a low scoring defeat to protect our goals against column and also make sure that our strongest team would be available for the next three critical matches.

Poor Pep Guardiola. He wanted Rafa Benitez and the team to roll over and allow his lavishly funded team to maintain their goal spree this season of three plus goals per game.

Immediately after Wednesday night’s game he came up with his expected quote:

“We did absolutely everything but it is difficult to play when the other team doesn’t want to play,”

We wouldn’t play ball but we played.  Manchester City had won 18 and drawn 1 of their previous games this season.

Their team on Wednesday cost £375.2 million and their subs bench a further £145.3 million.

The Newcastle side, in stark contrast, cost £53 million, and our bench £44.6 million: De Bruyne cost more than our whole team on the night. So £520.5 million funded by Abu Dhabi Sovereign wealth plays £97.6 million out of Big Mike’s (ED: Our!) coffers. (Transfer info courtesy of www.transferleague.co.uk)

In athletic terms, Citeh would be the classic flat track bully.

The odds on Newcastle winning were 9 to 1 or better.  So to pull off a nil one defeat and almost nick a point must go down as a moral victory.  Rafa got The Toon from day one and the performance against this season’s champions exemplified what the fans have been crying out for. Imagine if the roles were reversed and what Rafa could deliver with that (City’s) sort of funding or even a decent percentage of it.

Of course the pundits with successful managerial track records, not, had to have their usually constructive say: Gary Neville has blasted Rafa Benitez for playing the “most negative style of football he has ever seen” in the opening 30 minutes against Manchester City. Neville added there was “no ambition” and the tactics were “not acceptable” for the Premier League. What?

More pertinently, his co-commentator Jamie Carragher says:

“The Premier League is becoming a joke because teams are so unevenly matched.

“The teams at the top are so far ahead that the teams at the bottom are accepting they’re going to lose the game and long as it’s by one or two – they’re not going to give it a go.”

Perhaps not the most profound analysis but he recognises that any team trying to maintain Premiership survival is not going to commit hari kari to satisfy pundits and the global TV audience, when being outspent on transfer fees by more than 5 to 1.

What Carragher should have said is that something has got to give if the Premiership is to remain a competition, and not a procession, and maybe come up with some suggestions to address this.

I, for one, thoroughly enjoyed the match and the efforts of a dedicated and enthusiastic team who were not at the same skill level of their opponent but gave everything.  Let’s hope Mike Ashley saw something to encourage him to give Rafa the funds to strengthen the squad in the coming weeks. Otherwise our Championship Team, according to Alan Shearer, will be headed back there.

In the meantime let us allow Pep Guardiola to have the final word from quotes he has made in the past. I am sure we would all agree:

“In football, the worst things are excuses. Excuses mean you cannot grow or move forward.”

“People talk about tactics, but when you look at it, tactics are just players. You change things so that the team can get the most out of the skills they have to offer, but you don’t go any further than that.”

Hear! Hear!

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  • Paul Patterson

    Until the tv bubble bursts (and it will) this mismatch will continue. Being lambasted by pundits and opposing fans for not making a game of it (and getting humped 5-0)rubs salt into wounds . .

    • Soldier

      the guy who owns Man City doesn`t need the Tv money

      • Paul Patterson

        Very true . .

      • Wor Lass

        He does from the point of view of FFP, allegedly.

        • Soldier

          well that`s working a treat isn`t it, PSG spending around £400m

          • Wor Lass

            That`s why I said allegedly. It`s a bit of a mystery, really.

          • Wor Lass

            It`s a bit like those rich people who ride rough-shod over the Planners because the council can`t afford to take them on in court.

  • Jonny

    What a bitter pathetic post. Same net spend as Burnley and Liverpool combined over the last 3 seasons.. just because a team costs more doesn’t mean the manager has to give in and have 10 men inside his own box all game. Who cares about losing by 1 goal or 3, this is supposed to be the best league in the world where teams actually have a go. Not roll over and accept defeat before the kick off. There’s parking the bus then theres 6 passes in the first 10 minutes. Every team in the league would only lose by 1 goal if they played like the that. But it’s still a loss, still 0 points.

    • giimps

      You moron, the plan wasn’t to get beat ,but to keep it tight till the last 20 mins in the game, stop the opposition from scoring and stay in the game, it nearly worked ,we were in the game till the very end and could easily have nicked a point vs the best premier league team assembled .
      Don’t talk about the net spend of other teams…..we weren’t playing either of them you idiot, what was the net spend of Citeh over the same period, did Citeh, Burnley or Liverpool spend last Season with a championship side and not get the players to compete in the premier league………it’s ok for the Ferrari drivers to complain about the fiesta drivers blocking the race track but unfortunately they don’t control the drivers of the opposition cars and if the manager wants the fiesta drivers to try it to get something out of the race that’s still racing tactics, same as the defensive part of the g

      • joe mac

        you cant get through to some people on here matey!

    • joe mac

      who cares if them1or 3 goals relagates us at the end of the season eh?

  • Soldier

    He`s the best manager in the World & as such deserves respect, would Rafa say no to unlimited funds ?

    • GToon

      How do you make that assumption? He’s only ever managed a club who would always win the league or come second at the very worst. Let him prove his worth with a team where he has to develop players instead of just buying the best every time.

  • ghostrider

    Too much is made of certain teams.
    Forget the cost of Man City. I’m sick of this garbage about Man City’s team is worth this and that compared to ours.
    The FA cup (as an example) is a tournament for giant killing exploits and I don’t just mean the smaller team going up against a reserve team of a top club.

    The players go out to battle and to try to win a game by giving only the required respect to the big teams and nothing more in terms of awe.

    We played Man City as if Rafa had fielded a bunch of wide eyed kids in awe of pop idol giants but the reality is, every player on that pitch is human and on average very similar in their set up.

    The difference is in how they’re coached to perform as a TEAM and how much each individual player wants to become better.

    The gulf isn’t massive in terms of overall skill level, it’s the gulf in managing those that can produce it yet choose to coach it out of the players rather than into them.

    Just remember that every player starts out costing NOTHING.
    Every player starts out wanting to emulate another player.
    Every player starts out to build a career and to be the best they can at it and also hoping to be coached by someone who can bring out their entire talent.

    It’s a football that is kicked by two legs and headed by the same likewise heads.
    However, if you train and set up your players to stand in awe of others then you can expect nothing……but you know what?

    52,311 fans saw a game that 49,311 despised as a contest and were embarrassed to view it as a contest….because it wasn’t a contest. It was a low scoring embarrassing massacre.

    A competitive premier league game turned into a training match for Man City’s next game.
    Their players do not need to train for their next match because we provided the cones and what not for them to pass around and run around, etc.

    Any person that can honestly say that Rafa played a good game can comfort themselves with that thought but just remember one thing……
    AND REMEMBER THIS THING FOR AS LONG AS YOU’RE ABLE……

    Those players that rafa coached into playing this system are paid (many of them) 2 or 3 years of your salary in ONE WEEK.

    Rafa Benitez the WORLD CLASS manager is paid around 5/6 years of your salary in ONE WEEK to produce that utter disgraceful football that you also have to pay for and yet not one of those players or manager offers to pay the fans back for forcing them to endure that.

    OHHHHHH BUT IT’S RAFA AND HE’S A WORLD CLASS GENIUS.

    Keep saying it for as long as you feel the need but just remember one major thing. Your enjoyment of a football game is replaced by a human chess chancer that is willing to sacrifice his pawns into a massacre in the hope of getting one sneaky take that he can deem as a victory through a defeat.

    • Wor Lass

      And if Gayle had got that “sneaky take” on the other side of the post we would all have been celebrating like we`d won the cup.

      • Alphie_Izzet

        Some things never change

      • ghostrider

        If Man City had scored all their chances then we’d have been destroyed before half time even with the biggest bus parking in the entire world.
        I’m not going to live on the notion of… IF Gayle did this and that or whoever… to make it appear better when it simply was an utter utter utter pile of horse manure.

        • Buck Blacket

          Maybe you should look for another club to support, maybe one that is financially sponsored by a sovereign state.

          • ghostrider

            How about I keep supporting the club I’ve supported for nearly 50 years (Newcastle United) and I’ll whine and whinge when I see something to whine and whinge about. I’ll also praise everything good.
            As it stands there’s very little to praise and that’s why you’re seeing this.
            Now guess what?
            You do not get to decide what I do or who I support, so you’re much better off not getting yourself into a little tizzy over it.

          • Damon Horner

            I suppose you have your priorities to be immediately gratified.
            Rafa being in place is potentially critical to any takeover and a takeover allows us a better chance to play a more attractive brand in seasons future, it has to happen and if his presence is important i’d tolerate Rafa on the touchline in a mankini.

          • ghostrider

            I’d take Rafa on the touchline in a pencil skirt and 6 inch high heels with a big pink bushed out blouse and neck tie with a Lily Savage wig on and sporting a Mary Poppins umbrella whilst shouting “I’m free, I’m free” for 90 plus minutes if the team and subs that take to that pitch have a go at the opposition and genuinely try to beat them.

          • Buck Blacket

            Says the man who posted a hissy fit about a game against a team who are breaking records every week and remain undefeated! Lol

          • ghostrider

            I don’t care what records Man City are breaking. They have 11 players on the pitch the same as we do.
            We battle them with every ounce of energy and guile and strength for 90 plus minutes.
            We let them toy with us like other teams do and that’s why they’re breaking records.

            Guess what?
            You play one game at a time and the game you play is the game you give everything for.
            You do not play one game with the next game in mind…or you shouldn’t be doing that.

            Rafa is (or seems to) be picking his teams for the next game in between setting out a substandard one for the initial game.

            Absolute mind numbingly backward.

          • Toonrobbybobson

            Hate to tell you this but Rafa knows way more than you ever will. No one listens to you but they do Rafa. Theres many reasons why.

          • ghostrider

            Rafa knows more about club football than I do or ever will…correct.
            That doesn’t give him immunity to criticism when paying fans are watching his team play (at times) baffling and disrespectful (to the fans) football.

            The arrogant lump gets paid 5 million a year for crying out loud. Defend him when he deserves it and let him know when he doesn’t….like now.

          • Buck Blacket

            I think you need to stop watching the film “Any Given Sunday” over and over because you are NOT Al Pacino!

          • Toonrobbybobson

            Wish you’d give it a rest

          • ghostrider

            I will when you will.

          • Dukinfield blue

            With comments like that, I reckon if I came to your house for a discussion, the most intelligent thing in your house to interact with would be the dog!

          • Buck Blacket

            You obviously haven’t looked at my other comments yet. lol

          • Buck Blacket

            Hey mate, when you come to my house for a discussion, don’t forget to bring the wife otherwise you’d have nobody to interact with ;)

        • Wor Lass

          That doesn`t alter the fact that if he had scored and won us a point most people would have been celebrating like we won the cup.

          • ghostrider

            I’d rather be relegated than watch games like that.
            I’d rather have a team that goes into battle for 90 plus minutes in trying to win a game than become cannon fodder for the so called elite because a manager decides it’s the best way.

          • Wor Lass

            If fatty doesn`t stump up this Jan you could well get your wish.

          • ghostrider

            How much does he need to stump up to pacify Rafa and the fans?
            Will 20 million be enough or 30/40/50?
            What will rafa buy?
            It’s easy to say he’ll buy a striker but what will change the mindset of the fans with him if he fails with cash on the hip and even extra in player outgoing?

            I reckon if he was given 500 million and got relegated, some fans would say it’s Ashley’s fault we got relegated because he left it too late.

            Ok I may be going outlandish there but the reality seems to be that Rafa is almost beyond criticism, no matter what…and any excuse is made to favour what he does or doesn’t do.

            It’s a shame he’s been allowed to get to January to be honest, because a new manager with a small amount of cash can easily take this squad right out of the relegation zone, because it’s only as bad as Rafa is making it.

          • Wor Lass

            I completely agree that Rafa – any manager – shouldn`t be above criticism. I`ve been quite critical of his continued marginalising of Mitro and Mbemba. I`ve said many a time that when we can`t buy a goal it makes no sense to leave out a man who has scored regularly for his country. Mbemba, in my opinion, would be a better option at LB than Manquillo and better at DM than Isaac at the moment. I personally prefer him at CB to Clark who hasn`t looked the same player in the PL. They don`t necessarily have to be in the team all the time but to ignore them completely is baffling.

          • ghostrider

            I agree with all of that.

        • Dukinfield blue

          Ghostrider, I applaud your honesty but sort of understand the tactics and set up the other night. I do agree though that I wouldn’t want to pay £40 to watch 11 men behind the ball, who knows what you might have achieved if you had a go at city?, it’s not a foregone conclusion that we will win every game, if somebody is brave and has go, who knows?

          By the way your fellow fan Jezza is a joke and I’d ignore the clown if I were you. HIs tactic is as an irrelevant keyboard warrior sat in a dark room looking to troll not only opposing fans but his own fans as well.

          Hope your fight to stay in the PL is successful, fans like yourself deserve some cheer.

          • ghostrider

            Cheers mate.
            The thing is I can understand being cautious in games like this and I accept that a team like Man City can steamroll a team on their day but this manager and team have a massive duty to the fans , especially at home in front of over 50,000 fans, to give as good as they get.

            It makes a mockery of this so called 12th man nonsense when a home team comes out and literally holds up white flags before a ball is kicked.
            What a massive boost to any team coming to St.James’ Park to see white flags raised before a ball is kicked.

            Guardiola was so comfortable that he could afford to take off Kompany and replace him with a striker.
            And yet even that didn’t change our stance.
            And fans are calling it a Rafa master class. A genius stroke that might have produced a result when the reality is that Man City will not have an easier game all season.

            It was a training game for Man City and almost as if Rafa was using it as a defensive training game for us in a sort of ” let’s see if you can keep the score down to a respectable level and the fans will be happy we didn’t get hammered.”

            It frustrates the hell out of me that I have to be subjected to that drivel.

    • giimps

      How the hell can you pretend you know what every other fan in the ground was thinking?
      Do you think that our defense ( being very old and wise players) weren’t coached to keep that line to sop the balls in behind, or the midfielders weren’t coached to pick up the runs from Debruyner and aguero et al?
      The game vs Citeh was akin to a chess game where they had knights and queens ( probably close to the truth) and we had a couple of castles ( new ones) and pawns.
      Rafa wasn’t just looking at that game but the games we have more of a chance of winning , if we still lose those or don’t get many points his gamble will have failed, if we get more than 4 points from our next few games it was a gamble which paid off

      • Jezza

        If we end up avoiding relegation on goal difference then Rafa’s tactics against Money City will have been proved to be a master stroke.

        • joe mac

          exactly!

        • John

          Because a 38 game season is defined on one goal in one game and not the other 37 games

          • Jezza

            Well if a season isn’t decied on one game why are you so annoyed at the way we played against Money City?

          • glassjawsh-got-banned

            tell that to all the the sides who have avoided relegation because of goal difference!

        • Alphie_Izzet

          Oh he’sa master stroker for sure.

        • Toonrobbybobson

          Aye spot on. Its not how we are now. Its how we are then. In times gone by our GD would be 3-4x worse with so called better quality players with woeful managers.

          • Jezza

            Yes we remain above Crystal Palace and West Ham on goal difference. A heavier defeat to Money City would have seen us below at least one if not both those teams now.

        • Dukinfield blue

          Jezza, why do you constantly blame city for your predicament under Ashley?
          I like NUFC, I like their warm and humorous fans, I hate being blamed for every other clubs ILLs because sheikh Mansour has invested a lot of money initially in our club which got us up to a level and standard where we are now self sufficient through good business practice, allied with a winning team culture.
          I sympathise with your situation but stop bashing city because Ashley won’t invest. It makes you look bitter and jealous.

          • Jezza

            I don’t know where you got any of that from. The only person I blame for Newcastle’s problems is Ashley. Nobody but him.

      • ghostrider

        If you enjoyed that and are happy to endure more of it then you go right ahead.
        I’m going to whine and whine until Rafa either gives us a football team that tries to win every game or at least tries to do it’s best to entertain the fans.

        I demand and expect fight and I don’t just mean players that just graft like headless chickens.
        Rafa is paid 5 million a year and the players he bought are on thousands and thousands of pounds a week.
        I EXPECT a game of football against ANY team.

        • Toonrobbybobson

          Football stopped being about entertaining the fans a long time ago. It was a long time ago since it was about fans full stop. Sorry to point that reality out to you and shatter your dreams.

          Compare our wage bill to the rest of the league and our spends in recent history.

          If you fail to see this is a championship team punching above its weight because of Rafas man management youb really should give up now or go to specsavers tongive yourself a chance.

          • ghostrider

            If football stopped being entertainment for fans then tell me why you go to games?
            If you don’t go there for entertainment then you must be going there to look at the furniture, right?
            Or is it just to be part of the noise with the football as a minor distraction?

            Come on mate, get a bit more real will you.

          • Toonrobbybobson

            To be honest?

            Out of support for my local area, a pride in it, the sporting, ritual, passion towards its club which is bread into you when you were taken when little to see a working mans game.

            The entertainment went when Ashley came in. You know why?

            Because any form of ambition went with him coming. The cancer on the club that he is.

            Not to mention it isnt really a competition unless you are one of about 3 clubs in this league. Even Liverpool and Arsenal now struggle to compete with the moneybags.

            Money has destroyed Football as a sporting spectacle. Its now about the haves and have nots.

          • ghostrider

            Ashley isn’t the cancer of this club.
            The cancer was those before him who nearly wrecked it until he came in and basically saved it from going down a real murky hole under some chancer..

      • Buck Blacket

        That’s a good analogy, I like it!

    • Jezza

      Don’t worry, Fat Joe will soon be back in the St James’s Park dugout.

      • TheNutJob

        😂😂😂
        stranger things have happened at the Toon

    • Steve Smith

      If we’re all human and set up in the same way, how come you’re not performing brain surgery or making nuclear fusion work?

      • ghostrider

        Because I’m not in that business.

        • Buck Blacket

          You do realise playing FIFA on the PlayStation doesn’t count as an actual job?

          • ghostrider

            Then take a break from playing it and you can get a job and a season ticket to watch Newcastle United.

          • Buck Blacket

            I have a job, I’m a brain surgeon and you’ll find me sitting in the Platinum Club every home game. Anyway, make an appointment to see me in the new year and we’ll open up your cranium and see if we can’t “fix you” ;)

          • Toonrobbybobson

            PMSL

          • ghostrider

            Maybe have a search of your own when the time comes for you to change your stance on your Rafa god.
            I’d like to say I admire you for defending your god but the reality is I feel more sorry for you that Rafa has your mind fixated on his dire set up.

        • Toonrobbybobson

          Thank goodness clearly. There is a teamndown the road which would suit you better.

          • ghostrider

            Yeah and that team down the road, only a few short years ago were almost being lauded by fans. Why?
            Because our fans said Ashley was the monster and Ellis Short was a PROPER owner.
            Anyone remember that?

            Anyone?
            At least Ellis Short backs his managers I heard Newcastle fans cry.

            Here’s the end result for the master class that’s Sunderland’s owner and the poisonous man that owns our club.

            Newcastle United under Ashley.
            11 years but still in the premier league and in no financial difficulty.

            Sunderland under Ellis Short are heading towards league one without a penny to scratch their aris with.

            So NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I won’t support Sunderland because I’m a Newcastle United fan and I’ll be a Newcastle United fan if we were non-league and I’d still whine and whinge if we played badly in that league as much as I’d be as happy as Larry if we played well.

            I’m a Newcastle United fan first and foremost before any owner or manager or player, past or present.
            Until Newcastle United cease to exist as the club I know then I’ll always be a fan and supporter, whether it’s Mike Ashley in charge or Sheikh Moneybags blankety blank cheque.

            Now here’s the key.
            Try not to believe that you’re the founder member of the Newcastle United supporters guild and that I can only join if I follow your mindset.
            Take your ball home if you want to, I’ll find my own.

          • Geordiegiants

            You have an opinion alright, but is extremely far fetched! We have what we have and our manger has to manage with it. He does better than any other manger we have had, with a team worth half the value, and when teams are worth twice or maybe even thrice as much as they were with his predescors.

          • ghostrider

            How in the hell does he do better than any other manager with this team?
            This is just about his team and he’s the only manager managing it so it’s an easy thing to say that he’s doing better than any other, seeing any other is nowhere near it to alter it.

            The man is picking players from a sweep by the looks of it. A lucky bag. Pick and mix in blind fashion.
            A man giving the impression he’s got some master class up his sleeve and the fans are buying into it when they can see on the pitch it’s 99% garbage….but that’s not the players fault entirely.

            If we don’t get shot of this man we will be relegated on excuses for him.

    • Wor Lass

      Rafa tried to win that game. His plan was simple and has been explained by many people already. Limit them for 70/75 minutes, let them tire then have a go in the last 15/20 minutes. It almost worked to perfection. It entailed coaching, tactical nouse and total belief and commitment from the players. There`s nothing wrong with that.

      • Toonrobbybobson

        Spot on.

        Have to look at things in relative terms.

        End if day our season this year is about staying up. So much of the clubs future right now is staying up.

        This original poster would have you believe there isnt any difference between a conference player and champions league elite. Guess thats why we have leagues separating them all.

        The top teams buy all the young talent as well now. The fleet of foot, the visionaries, the pace makers etc.

        We just need to secure our premier league status this year. Nothing more nothing less. It will become a turning point in the clubs history. Is sacrafice trying to ‘have a go at city’ to make sure we can have a real go all the time in future.

        For once we have a manager who looks at the bigger picture as a whole. Yet we have fans mocking him. Wonders never cease. Lets just bring back Pardew and be done with it eh?

      • ghostrider

        Limit them lol.
        Man City played garbage for half the game and yet still looked fantastic against us because we allowed them to train on our pitch in front of over 50,000 fans.
        We played disgusting and all the fans deserve their money back.

        • Wor Lass

          So you believe that we have a squad of players capable of going out against City and expressing themselves, playing the pure game and thinking only of entertaining the fans. In your fantasy world, is there a league? Do teams get relegated? If our boys had tried to play expansive, attacking football then they would have been absolutely stuffed by half time, our goal difference would have gone drastically south and the lads` confidence, in the lead-in to possibly the most crucial set of three games this season, would have taken a severe beating. It wasn`t pretty, it isn`t what we want to see but it was someone working with what they have and trying to salvage some benefit from it. We got no points but the lads can hold their heads up.

          • Jezza

            He is a fantasist, marra. A couple of weeks ago he was insisting our squad is “better than 70% of the Premiership”.

          • Geordiegiants

            If we tried to play like that against Stoke we would get hammered man, they are absolutely off their nuts half of these mob.

          • ghostrider

            Nobody is saying we have to just go gung ho against teams like Man City.
            All I’m saying is to balance it out by actually giving their defence food for thought and not just spending 90% of the game just defending wave after wave of training ground football.

            Joselu as a lone….WHAT?
            A lone WHAT?

            Why even put him on the pitch?
            Defender?
            Why not just play defenders.

            Sickening and it shouldn’t be accepted and quite frankly I’m extremely baffled that fans accept this as some kind of masterstroke.

          • Wor Lass

            It wasn`t a masterstroke at all – it was glaringly obvious. Do you really think that in the run-in to the three games coming up (which we absolutely cannot approach in the same way) it would be good for the team to suffer a morale-destroying drubbing? I think that, overall, Rafa is too defensive but in THIS game with THIS squad of players and with THAT run coming up, I think he made the right call. And it`s testament to the players` belief in him that they executed his plan so well. As I said, not pretty, not what we want, ideally, but entirely understandable.

          • ghostrider

            Ok then I have no choice but to obviously go along with the Rafa mindset of doing what he did against Man City in order for us to gain the spoils of the up and coming games.

            I don’t believe it for a minute but I’d like to think we can soldier on and get some much needed points on the board sooner rather than later.

            A nice fresh attacking approach against Brighton today, right?
            Let’s see what Rafa sets us up with and let’s see if we can actually look like a football team.

          • Wor Lass

            Rafa is overcautious – I`ve already said that. His mind-set is to not lose so he most likely won`t be setting up to sweep Brighton aside with expansive, attacking football. I get that – it`s partly down to quality of personnel but mainly down to his default approach. I don`t like his obstinacy and I don`t like the fact that he is so naturally defensive but I still want him as manager and feel that he`s our best bet of winning something in the future.

          • ghostrider

            I can accept us not going hell for leather against Brighton but I expect us to at least take the game to them and no excuses for anything other.
            I’m not expecting to hammer them (although it would be a pep up) but I do expect us to actually ensure we attempt to win that game by ensuring that we take every available opportunity to effect an attack when the opportunity arises.

            As for Rafa winning us something in the future….I’d like to share your mindset on it but as it stands and how I feel about him and his ways, I think he’s going to turn out as a massive stumbling block to any progress, because we’ve made zero progress under him.
            I feel too many of our players are going backwards under him.

          • Wor Lass

            I agree with your first paragraph – we have to try to win today. As for the second – time will tell. I`m not as enamoured as I was but I still feel he hasn`t had a real chance to do it his way. He`s a steady, methodical builder. He doesn`t bring about exciting change overnight. He might be better as a director of football with a younger, more inspirational, coach in the dug-out.

      • Alphie_Izzet

        Yeh it’s worked really well for the other 16 teams that tried it!

    • hetonmag

      Long winded post you just needed to say I hate Rafa oh by the way did you here the fan’s singing his name so I think you are very much in the minority.

      • ghostrider

        The fans can do what they like, as I can and I don’t follow mass opinion by peer pressure to follow it.
        Rafa needs to up his game or get out of the club.

        • Jezza

          Yes let’s sack Rafa because we didn’t beat a team who spent double his entire transfer budget on one full back.

          • ghostrider

            No no no. Let’s sack Rafa for giving us some of the worst football ever witnessed for a long long time.

          • Geordiegiants

            What a load of rubbish, we are playing some of the best football we have played in years with far inferior players we have had for years.

          • ghostrider

            That has to be a joke.

          • Geordiegiants

            We are more organised than we have been under any manger I can remember, we have a p!ss poor weak team, infact the weakest team I can remember since Ossies.

          • ghostrider

            Organised?
            Where in the hell at?
            We can look organised against a pee poor team but generally we are literally toyed with and taken apart and look at sixes and sevens.

            I know what’s going on here.
            This is the Rafalution nonsense.
            It’s the Rafa messiah syndrome.
            It’s the Rafa version of the Stockholm syndrome.

            Let me put this very plainly. By all means deny it if you want to…….BUT…..
            If Alan Pardew or Allardyce or a manager like those, did this, I’d bet my bottom dollar that most fans would be crucifying them with many spewing utter bile and hatred.

            Let me tell you how I stand as a fan.
            I want a manager, whether his name is Freddie Borlicks or her name is Tiffany Tuffleburger, the first female manager in the premier league to give us a football team that not only goes out and gives all out effort but also tries to defeat all opposition.

            That’s all I ask and if we get beat or hammered in the process of trying then, yeah, I’ll be gutted and devastated withy the result and have a bad week but I’ll also know I was at least entertained in the process and also know that some games I will get some joy of winning and drawing.

            I don’t care if we finish 17th by doing it that way and I’d rather be relegated doing it that way rather than be relegated doing it the way rafa is attempting.

            Sack Rafa Benitez before it’s too late.

          • Alphie_Izzet

            Spot on

          • Toonrobbybobson

            There is no hope for some fans. Go away and watch Xfactor.

          • ghostrider

            Nah, I’ll call it how I see it but feel free to worship your god, Rafa.

          • Alphie_Izzet

            I know it’s the season and all that, but under any “manger”?

          • Jezza

            I think this team is even weaker. We haven’t got a striker anywhere near as good as David Kelly now.

          • Geordiegiants

            If only eh?

          • Alphie_Izzet

            Nobodyis laughing!

          • Alphie_Izzet

            Well the second half of that is correct

          • Alphie_Izzet

            Correct

      • Mike Adam

        We like being in the minority, that is where free thinking fans are. Do you think telling us we are in the minority is insulting? or what? One thing is for sure my friend, the minority is growing.

        • hetonmag

          Yes probably on this forum and you like being in the minority what a statement from a so called fan.

          • Mike Adam

            No, a statement from a FREE THINKING FAN. Just because a fan doesn’t agree with the majority and the manager means they are less of a fan??? Brilliant my friend, simply brilliant.

    • Toonrobbybobson

      If this is the future of the thinking football Fan in future the game needs help.

      Society just wants cgi explosions all the time like Transformers instead of a thinking mans movie.

      Theres nothing between the ears anymore to see the big picture.

    • Taz

      We all know we r not very good, but it is what it is. If we had got battered four or five nil because we thought we could attack or play them at their own game, (better teams than us have tried it and got humped ) and at the end of the season it boils down to gd and we stay up by that then this was a master stroke. I know it wasn’t pretty,good to watch or even entertaining but that’s how it is, the goals we didn’t concede could be worth millions come the end of the season…

      • ghostrider

        I’m not interested in goal difference. It’s a extreme marginal thing for the end of a season.
        Yeah it can be the difference but I’d rather a team takes a game to the opposition with a potential of getting tonked rather than just sitting back nearly all game and hope they don’t get tonked.

  • Simon R

    Maybe Guardiola meant that our finishing and passing was so off that you could have actually beat us. Our defence is quite shaky when attacked consistently. Probably one of our worst performances for a while but that wasn’t recognised for some reason?! No we’re not Barca or Real we’ve not got that mentality yet because of all the s**t we’ve seen over the years. At the moment we’re 11 players. with a good coach. I’m sorry but this game was definitely winnable for you. Also for the record we do think it will all go to s**t at some point, it’s in our DNA. Don’t tar us all with the same brush because a few of our fans have been a bit ‘showy’ on here. Also what’s with the United style Citeh insults?

    • TheNutJob

      2 of citees best players left out helped, leroy wizzing up & down the wing & the maestro David in the middle. tactical error from Pep

      • Alphie_Izzet

        David Silva in Spain,family issues. Sane not well.

    • Geordiegiants

      I hope your right, because as I see it Citeh and Newcastle have trod very similar paths in the past. We never sunk as low in the leagues, but we were sunk very low. We knew it was never going to last in the nineties, but we enjoyed it and so did all the other fans in the country with us. We were everyone’s second team, we were never ever like some of your fans.

  • TheNutJob

    if we`d had Shearer we would have paggered Citee, all we can look forward to in the New Year is fatty pulling more strokes on Rafa

    • Alphie_Izzet

      If my Auntie had had balls, she would have been my uncle.

      • Wor Lass

        If you came from Sunlun she would be!

    • GToon

      If they had Diame and we had De Bruyne we would have won!

  • hetonmag

    Ha ha Maureen wants to spend £300m just to compete with City that’s on top of money already spent at Manure, and one or two so called fans wanted Rafa to play a more expansive game. Them same fans would have been first on this message board if we had been hammered you can’t win with some people.

    • GToon

      To be fair to Rafa we did have a go at Man U and at Chelsea for that matter. He changed his plan for City as they are a different class and style to every team in this league.

  • Chris

    I thought our tactics were excellent and that we played as well as I could have hoped.
    Just wish that Shelvey could have delivered free kicks and corners better as a header from a set-piece was our most likely route to score.

  • HarryHype59

    Until the football authorities start to take FFP seriously, Citeeh will continue to turn the EPL in to an expensive version of the SPL!

    • FatParosite

      Not just Citeh. Manure have spent nearly as much as Pep & don’t have anywhere near the same team quality. So it is not just money that makes a difference. However what both Manure & Citeh have is ambition, something we have lacked for a decade.

      • HarryHype59

        Maureen has been moaning that the £285m he has spent in 18 months isn’t enough to compete with the nation state backed Citeeh!

        It puts our spending into context!

  • andynufc

    We? Are you in the team? You probly won’t be in the ground to see it anyways

  • tethys

    As a City fan since 1964, i was both impressed and sympathetic to Rafa’s tactics and the teams determination. Not that many years ago roles were reversed and we would have given our eye teeth for a draw against Keegans Newcastle. We won the lottery and combined with an already well supported club it has propelled us to a new level BUT without the genius Pep no amount of money could create such a dominant team. Sadly for us he will move on and we will no longer be the force we are.-
    Newcastle will survive i am certain and if the takeover goes ahead then after a couple of seasons NUFC will be back where they truly belong in the top four.
    Well done Rafa and keep the faith you tens of thousands of amazingly loyal “Toon fans” the good times will return

    • GToon

      Nice comment. Must be great supporting your team. I worked with a bloke who had supported them all his life and he couldn’t believe it when the money arrived and you started to win things. Can’t see it happening with us. What we can emulate though is the infrastructure that city have set up – training ground etc etc. I’ve been there and it was amazing. My son played City at academy level and couldn’t believe it. They had bought one of my sons team mates for an amount I’m not sure of but it was a lot. They moved his family into those houses city own and sent him to the city school too. Amazing really. He was 9 years old but city wanted him so they got him. Happy new year.

    • Toonrobbybobson

      Must say the football City are playing this season reminds me of the KK days. City play good football and are good to watch. Aguero, Silva and De Bruyne are immensely talented players that when they are on the pitch There is usually one outcome.

      • Albert Stubbins

        Good points, I think the toon of then would have beaten them in though as we also had a bit of steel in batty and big Al as well as flair,other than kompany who rarely plays they don’t have any bite imo. The modern game allows for this with tackling becoming a thing of the past which again is playing into their favour. They’re brilliant to watch though it has to be said.

    • Geordiegiants

      Your playing as close to what we had under Keegan as can be. The thing is everyone liked Newcastle, our fans, our football, our city, the fans were and are very gracious winners and losers. Very vocal and supportive and have good banter, but the majority of your new following is giving your club a bad name and reputation. Enjoy it and savour it, because nothing lasts for ever.

  • Damon Horner

    I checked the rules. An opposition has to deliberately play it for it to be onside so correct decision.

  • GToon

    Can we have the two goals Tiote scored then please. Oh and can that offside goal stumpy scored against us last time be written off too please.
    I tell you what I’m absolutely amazed at the amount of Man City fans on here talking this and that. There never used to be. You know the money doesn’t make you more important and your point of view more relevant. Don’t bother with a reply as I won’t.

  • glassjawsh-got-banned

    Is it somehow not enough for you to win every game? Are you so inadequate in your daily life that you also have the compulsion to come to opposing fans’ forums and act like an arrogant [email protected]? You support the most impressive side the EPL has maybe ever assembled and yet I still feel sorry for you…

  • Nobby Wu

    Just read your article, what a load of gibberish! I’ve been a man city season ticket holder for many years, the majorityof which we rivalled Newcastle for being serial under achievers.

    “Pep talks, while Rafa Benitez inspires”, well i dont know Pep and i suspect that uou dont either, but i can tell you that he has improved pretty much every player i the city team, both individually and as team players. Who has Benitez inspired and developed? All I hear him doing is mard arsing about wanting more money to spend.

    Delph, Stones, Otamendi, Sterling and others all hugely improved.

    So to the game, i totally agree, defending is a completely undertsandable tactic against strong teams. newcastle didnt do that first half, they just capitulated, put 11 men behind the ball and just hoofed it down the pitch when they got hold of it. If i was a professional footballer, listening o the manager tell me he had no ambition, no confidence in getting a result and as such he just wanted to shut up shop…..at home……in front of 52k fans, yup, i’d be wanting to sweat blood for him.

    Then what about the fans, dont kid me you enjoyed that, it was sterile, i’ve followed city down the league and had to live with rivals across town tearing up the league and europe, but we never played as negatively as that, i’d chuck in going if we did.

    Finally, the money, yes City are unbelivably fortunate. Newcastle are about to be taken over, if it turns out that the Amanda Stavely is negotiating on behalf of serious arab investors, you will be as happy as larry.

    If Rafa is so inspirational, then why cant he compete with Burnley, Watford or Huddersfield?

    I’m not anti Newcastle, always quite liked them if i’m honest, just dont think you believe most of what you wrote is honest.

    • GToon

      The sentence about Burnley Watford and Huddersfield is the important one. Add Brighton and Bournemouth to that list too.

      • Jezza

        Yes and the obvious reason Rafa can’t compete with them is that those clubs allow their managers a much more generous/realistic transfer budget.

        • steve

          Come on our team has cost just as much as those mentioned but their managers don’t moan half as much.

          • Jezza

            The huge difference is that those other clubs’ managers didn’t have to sell £100 million worth of Premiership talent to spend what they did.

        • Gandalf Greyhame

          This summer Newcastle had a net spend of only £10,250,000. The summer previously, in the Championship, Rafa had MADE a net of £30,800,000 with his sells. So Ashley had at least £20,000,000 more he should have allowed Rafa to spend. So instead of the £5,000,000 they wasted on Joselu, they could have spent a total of £25,000,000 for a striker, which would have given them somebody that could at least shoot the ball on target at the net a few times a match, and maybe even score.

          • Jezza

            You’re preaching to the choir, marra.

      • Nobby Wu

        Well i wish you all the best bud, sooner you get rid of Ashley the better. I would genuinly be pleased to see the geordies lift some silverware sometime soon.

    • Angelswithdirtyfaces

      I’m sure Pep is one of the best, but our side is pretty much Championship standard. We don’t have players as good as Watord or Burnley etc., If Rafa wasn’t able to inspire them, as well as get them to play in a disciplined way (the Toon defence has been the weakest part of the side for may years), then we’d already be nudging the Swans for bottom spot.

  • Stephen Paylor

    I for one don’t mind City having their moment in the sun since Sheik Mansour got involved. They spent years under achieving like us and i think their fans respect us for what we are going through. I love seeing them above man U, fills me with joy.

    The reality though of the current games between us is a mismatch. If we sign Danny Ings for say 15 million he will be the best forward we have by quite far (if he stays fit) and fits in well with how Rafa wants to play. That same player wouldn’t even make City’s u23 bench. Just shows you the vast difference financially between us and them. De Bruyne and Aguero combined would cost more than our club is worth.

    I can accept it and will be happy with Danny Ings, great work rate, pace and is strong. Maybe a better finisher than we have had for years too.