Newcastle 2 Leicester 3 – Saturday 9 December 2017 5.30pm

We asked a number of our regular writers to give us a brief instant reaction after the final whistle.

Now no wins in seven and one point from the last 21:

Ben Cooper:

“We can talk formations and finance all day long but when all of your players give the ball away as quickly and cheaply as that, then you will struggle to get points.

“Especially against a team which probably would have looked threatening even without our help.

“I struggle to think of a player in black and white who played well today, Dwight Gayle perhaps the only one who looked anywhere near his best.

“In the end though we threw it away, getting caught on the break for the millionth time in the last 2 months at 2-2 with minutes to go. Desperately poor.

“It might not have been a relegation performance but it was a relegation result.

“A few people at the club are living on past reputations and need to have a long look at themselves.

“The playing of games needs to stop and the playing of football needs to start.”

Toon Bano:

“Happy 125 years everyone!!!

“Absolutely incredible. Totally suicidal when we were at  2-2.

“We had nobody in our own box??? Doesn’t matter who put it in the net.

“Rafa is taking the p… big time. His team selections are nonsense. His formation ridiculous tonight.

“How can he not see we were totally overrun in midfield the entire game.

“Jonjo Shelvey didn’t even get off the bench. Absolute joke.

“Lascelles is fit so why haven’t you put Lejeune or Clark out of their misery? Pick one.

“Murphy starts again over Aarons and even Atsu!!

“1 win in 11. This is full blown relegation form and I can’t see it changing any time soon as our manager refuses to maximise his limited squad. Which he insists that is all he can do.

“I have never seen a manager with Rafa’s experience and CV act like a clueless u23s coach. Lost the plot.”

Jack Lacey-Hatton:

“Better, is still nowhere near good enough at the moment from this lot, it’s turning into a disaster of a season.

“The defending is so bad it’s beyond belief.

“I really struggle to see a way forward without bringing in at least two new quality defenders who actually do the job properly for 90 minutes.

“Grim days.”

Anthony Stafford:

“Can’t pass, no possession…take the lead then Mahrez all left foot shown left then bang!!

“Painful to watch Wes Morgan looks like a world beater when he is a bread and butter centre half.

“So slow, no plan if the other team scores.

“Relegation form and where’s the next the next win coming from???

“Drop deeper and deeper, the team looks totally lost and disjointed, very very like an Alan Pardew side….

“Miserable.”

Paul Lyon:

“Argh!!

“125 years of frustration!!

“The story continues…”

Jamie Swan:

“Hard watching.

“Apart from the first goal we were second best all over the pitch.

“To get back to two two was fortunate, considering what had passed.

“In for the hardest slog ever.

“The takeover if it ever happens might mean sweet FA if we slide out the league again.

“Fingers frozen, nose running, time to get merry and wave the flags! Ho ho effing ho.”

David Punton:

“Really hard to take on the club’s 125th anniversary.

“Feel for Gayle after such a good goal to make it 2-2.

“We are now in a relegation battle.

“Takeover or no takeover, this is a very unhappy scenario for all NUFC fans.”

Paul Patterson:

“Rafa can say we need to stick together and we need to keep going and correct our mistakes. 

“But let’s not dress it up, that was, for the umpteenth time, absolutely turgid.”

Stats from BBC Sport:

Newcastle United 2 Leicester 3

Goals:

Newcastle: Joselu 4, Gayle 73

Leicester: Mahrez 20, Gray 60, Perez OG 86

Possession was Leicester 62% Newcastle 38%

Total shots were  Leicester 13 Newcastle 10

Shots on target were Leicester 5 Newcastle 4

Corners were  Leicester 5 Newcastle 6

Referee: Neil Swarbrick

Newcastle United:

Darlow, Yedlin, Clark, Lejeune, Manquillo, Ritchie (Atsu 64), Hayden, Merino, Murphy (Perez 71), Joselu (Mitrovic 88)  Gayle

Unused Subs:

Elliot, Lascelles, Shelvey, Diame

Crowd: 52,117 (Leicester 3,000)

Rafa Personalised NUFC Gifts


  • Marveauxless

    With Lascelles: 11 games, 8 goals conceded
    Without Lascelles: 5 games, 17 goals conceded

    • Leazes Ender

      He’s the bus conductor.

      • GToon

        He’s a good organiser and a decent defender.

        • Blackburn1066

          he is not in the team that’s why we are getting stuffed

    • StevieB

      I was thinking that tonight, I’ve never thought he was “great”……but I can’t argue with the numbers

    • mentalman

      It is clear there is no captain controlling anything on the pitch when jamaal isn’t playing, we are having trouble at full back and we have a full back on the bench who has been captain of some big clubs and has lots of experience, surely using him would have been a good idea

  • Andynufc

    Sorry but people need to take there Rafa can do no wrong specs off. Yes, MA screwed him for transfers in the summer but that doesn’t devoid Rafa of any blame now. His team selections are mind boggling. He only makes subs once we go behind and are chasing the game. If I was Mitro, I would have told him where by now as his man management of him has been poor. Why bring him on for two minutes? I haven’t been this angry about a result in a long time. We’re in a relegation battle now for sure. Just hoping we’re not too far gone by January and some money is made available! Worrying times ahead

  • TheFatController

    Classic divide and conquer

    Ashley doesn’t turn up to games, so it’s the manager of the players that should be influencing results, and taking the blame. Easy targets.

    Yeah, because after10 years the only time the manager and players are good enough is when in the championship. How did that happen? Was Rafa here every year? Joselu? Manquillo ?

    So watch this prediction. Everton will turn up with Rooney and a raft of £20m-£50m players, beat us, and the instant reaction will be that the obvious solution is to dump manager and players because they didn’t perform a giant killing?

    So we can get a new manager and new £5-12m players to go to Arsenal….and giant kill them Hereford stylee…

    Shelvey played against Watford and I don’t remember him influencing that game massively. You get what you pay for – we’d paid peanuts, pay peanuts by comparison to the teams we play. Is it fair to question defeats ? Only if you’re not able to put the blame squarely with the owner…

    • Clarko

      And what about the defeats to Brighton, Bournemouth, Watford and Burnley, clubs that have spent similar amounts to Newcastle?

      • TheFatController

        Ok, let’s look at your argument ?

        Similar amounts spent ?

        Lost 1-0 at Burnley, a team with a fantastic home PL record.
        Bournemouth – lost 1-0 in a tight game against (your definition) a team who spent similar amount (if £20m on a CB is similar to £9m on Lejeune or £5m on Clark? – Not similar using my calculator )
        Lost 1-0 at brighton in a tight game – not surprising given similar amounts spent surely ?
        Watford? Shocker. Shelvey played from the start, so he’s not really the answer

        Amazing that anyone can come up with an argument that, having spent similar amounts, we should question the manager and players for losing to two top half teams (Watford, Burnley) and away at Brighton

        Similar – a word almost like ‘equal’ – so why aren’t we beating Watford Bournemouth Brighton and Burnely when we are equal to them (because Ashley made us equal, having been ahead before he arrived)

        Yep, blame Rafa …he made us equal to Bournemouth Brighton burley and Watford – you make a very good point

        • Clarko

          I didn’t make an argument, I questioned your argument. You’re talking about how we cannot criticise Benitez when playing the likes of Everton because they have “Rooney and a raft of £20m-£50m players”. Well what about the teams don’t have Rooney and £50m players?

          Newcastle spent €42.30 where as Bournemouth spent €34.30m. Newcastle spent €8.00m more, a significant amount.

          We’ve lost games that we should be winning, Benitez has been given adequate financial resources, he has bought the players, he picks the team, they are playing his tactics and losing.

          • TheFatController

            So who employed Rafa?

            You say rafa’s To blame and it’s his fault.

            I say Ashley’s to blame.

            So we’re both blaming Ashley. Unless you want to start a circular argument where Ashley isn’t to blame if it was he who employed Rafa. He owns the club. Who else is to blame ?

          • Clarko

            Ashley didn’t employ Benitez, Charnley did.

            You don’t have a valid argument as evident from your very silly (and incorrect) response.

          • TheFatController

            Ashley employs Charnley. Circular argument again therefore, why? Because whether he employed Rafa or Charnley did, the buck stops with Rafa. Have you never worked for a company ? ‘My MD is rubbish, don’t blame me’ said no owner ever without being laughed at…

            Are you seriously saying Ashley was against employing Rafa? But bowed to charnley’s opinion…?

            Silly and incorrect of me to not realise that Charnley over ruled Ashley on the appointment of Rafa?

            Can you provide evidence that suggests Charnley made the Rafa decision and Ashley had no influence on the selection of manager of the club?

            I can’t prove you wrong, but I am 99% sure Ashley didn’t just give Charnley full control of the selection of manager, which is what you suggest and mock me for claiming. Wow.

          • Clarko

            Ashley in March 2016:
            “All I can say is; there is a bank account. When you have emptied it, it’s empty. Don’t come crying to me for more money. [There is] virtually nothing left now. They have emptied it. I have virtually nil affect on Newcastle in reality because I only pick the board.”

            You have to stop with the, “Are you seriously saying Ashley was against employing Rafa?”, type questions. Where did I state/suggest something that makes that an acceptable question to ask? I didn’t.

            Again, you need to stop with the “Ashley employs” argument, it’s beyond silly. Try constructing an actual argument.

          • TheFatController

            Personally, I don’t believe Ashley when he says that. I believe Charnley has to speak to Ashley and tell him what the decision is he would like approved with the final say when he picks a manager. Maybe I’m being silly, but clearly you know more than me on Ashley’s involvement and honesty.

            Also, you keep missing the obvious point. If Ashley employs Charnley and Charnley employs Rafa, and Rafa is rubbish, the owner has to get rid of one or the other, or both. Why do you keep calling me silly for saying the buck stops with the owner ? Does the buck stop with the M.D. so the owner is not responsible for the MD’s performance ? Again, have you ever worked in a business…?

            Until either Charnley or Rafa is sacked, the owner is to be questioned for the team’s performances …

          • Clarko

            Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

            I keep calling you silly to be polite, it’s moronic, “is the owner is not responsible for the MD’s performance?” No. Do you know how life works? Is that the way you work? Do you like to pass on responsibility at your job? You’re late for your shelf stacking job at Asda, when you arrive you tell Ned, your superior, that it was actually Mr. McMillon’s fault that you’re late, “how come?”, Ned asks, “he’s the CEO, he hired me, it’s his fault I’m late”.

            Moronic.

          • TheFatController

            You’re not really able to get your head round the fact that if bad decisions made by an M.D. affect a company then the owner is at fault if the M.D. stays in place?

            Let’s take your Asda analogy because it’s not one that works, it’s quite bizarre that you think it does. So let me put you right on how Rafa and Charnley’a situation would pan out if at Asda :-

            If a staff member is repeatedly late, affecting the performance of that store, yet isn’t sacked, there are many reasons his boss, ultimately, is in the wrong:-
            1. The boss employed him and he’s clearly not good enough
            2. The boss keeps him on, despite him always being late and thus always affecting store performance downwards

            So, anyone, except you, knows that underperforming staff that are taken on but not sacked are the result of poor management (in NUFC’s case the MD’s poor management)

            If that poor management isn’t changed either, the fault lies with the company owner.

          • Jezza

            He hasn’t got any friends.

          • TheFatController

            Certainly not on here either it seems….but today is another day.

          • Clarko

            Remember when you tried to argue that McManaman ended Haidara’s career “before it even started”, even though he was only out of the first team squad for 21 days with “bruising”. Remember your reasoning:

            “I partook in competitive sport in the 1980’s. I represented my country and won a few fairly minor trophies. I know all about sports injuries from first hand experience. In February 1986 I suffered a painful injury that kept me out for a while. I went on to win trophies and record personal bests in the years that followed but that injury still gives me gyp on occasions to this day”

            F!ck me 😂

          • Clarko

            “if bad decisions made by an M.D. affect a company then the owner is at fault if the M.D. stays in place”, that’s irrelevant to the “discussion”. This discussion is on Benitez being criticised, not an M.D being sacked at an imaginary failing business, look where your stupidity has lead us.

            Benitez deserves to be criticised for his mistakes.

          • TheFatController

            In fact. Stop right there – you call me silly whilst typing a comment saying charnley not Ashley is the decision maker at the club.

            Good luck defending that theory.

            Bring it on.

          • Leazes Ender

            Net 11.5m on?

          • Clarko

            Doesn’t make sense, learn how to form a sentence.

          • nevfur

            Hasn’t this spend/ net spend rubbish gone on long enough. If you sell a player for £50M and replace him with someone for £30M yes you have “spent” £30M but in my book you are still worse off. Hence the net spend argument. Or am I missing something?

          • Clarko

            Which first team player did Newcastle sell in the summer?

          • nevfur

            Irrelevant. The overall amount recouped by the club from player sales is still the same amount regardless of those players position in the squad. A manager doesn’t expect to be told he can’t spend money recouped from squad sales if that player isn’t in the first team.

          • Clarko

            No it is absolutley not irrelevant.

            What happens if you sell £50m worth of reserves players, players who will never have an impact on results, the squad and the first team, and you use £30m of that to buy a player(s) who will have an impact on results, the squad and the first team. You wouldn’t be “worse off”. You and everyone else need to learn when net spend is important and where to use it.

            You are bouncing from topic to topic, look at the key points in your responses. You, out of the blue bring up net spend, which was off topic to the discussion, you use completely random numbers, coming to the conclusion that £50m is more than £30m and ask me what you were missing. I ask you a question to help you understand what you were missing, you refuse to answer and (wrongly) state that my question was irrelevant before going on and talking about boardroom promises. You’re all over the place. Be concise, stay on topic and don’t call my very relevant response irrelevant when you’re the one interrupting my discussion and asking me for insight.

          • nevfur

            At no point did I mention any boardroom promises. Net spend was in the origional discussion which is what I commented on. My replies totally were on the point of net spend v pure spend so that is absolutely not jumping around all over the place. My figures were hypothetical examples used to demonstrate a point, something done all the time in any discussion.
            Of course your example is correct however it still just shows the opposite end of the hypothetical. We also clearly required all of that money to be invested but didn’t do it. Moving away from the hypothetical the FACTS show that the previous summer we sold premier league first team players to build a championship promotion team and made a vast profit in doing it. In January when anyone with a brain would have looked to cement out promotion push by improving further and in doing so pick up players ready for the prem. Did we? No. We sold Tiote for a nominal fee and vast saving in wages and bought no one. We had parachute payments, tv money, prize money, new sponsorship (x2) yet net spend on what was a championship squad was around £11M. With only a championship squad net spend should have been far more at this club. The net spend only rose above break even with the late panic signings of Joselu and Manquillo. We needed to spend far more, we all knew that and we should have had that money available but didn’t. If we had spent it then our net spend would have been higher and that’s how it’s relevant. What standard of player producing that money is irrelevant.

          • Clarko

            My apologies, I thought that, “A manager doesn’t expect to be told he can’t spend money recouped from squad sales if that player isn’t in the first team”, was in relation to boardroom promises, on further reflection, I don’t understand what that sentence means, it doesn’t make sense to me.

            I have not discussed net spend on this threat with anyone else other than you, it was off topic.

            “Hypothetical” and “random” are the same thing, the numbers are imaginary and have no relation in regards to Newcastle. You continue pushing that “hypothetical” stating, “We also clearly required all of that money to be invested but didn’t do it”, again that doesn’t make sense. To avoid confusion you need to stop using these imaginary numbers, stick to Newcastle.

            You enforce my point of you bouncing from topic to topic by “moving away from the hypothetical” to talk about previous windows without resolving the previous issue on net spend in this past summer transfer window, so I will not be addressing anything else until the initial issue is resolved.

            I would say that interrupting, asking for insight and then wrongly dismissing that insight as irrelevant is “idiotic”.

          • nevfur

            Well to say someone on a free forum is interrupting is certainly idiotic. I think you will find that 3 other people apart from us two have contributed to this thread. The reference to Net spend is hardly varying the conversation. The point of net spend comes into this same argument all the time and indeed is mentioned by the fat controller in this very thread. That is the guy who started the theead by the way.
            You asked about which first team players we sold. My take is that a manager doesn’t only sell first team starters to raise money for transfers so the reference to not being allowed to spend that money is relevant to your question rather than varying the issue to discuss boardroom promises which I never mentioned.
            Previous windows are relevant to this one rather than jumping around, all are transfer windows so it’s not exactly hard to follow. Following relegation first team players were sold and the money banked. Where has it gone in relation to now needing it invested back in the team in this window as we are back in the PL. first team squad players some starters at the time were loaned out and have now been moved on raising money that should be available to spend.
            Yes it’s true that based purely on last seasons final first teams and spends only we are in a similar region to Brighton and Huddersfield. The point is that we shouldn’t just be in the same region with our resources which is where the net spend is mentioned and relevant and applies to the last 3 windows not just this one.

          • Clarko

            “My take is that a manager doesn’t only sell first team starters to raise money for transfers so the reference to not being allowed to spend that money is relevant to your question rather than varying the issue to discuss boardroom promises which I never mentioned”, THAT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

            Again, I am not interested in talking about other windows, you are not listening to what I am saying. We have not finished talking about the summer window and why net spend is irrelevant in relation to the summer window.

          • nevfur

            You ask how many first team players we sold. I answered it’s irrelevant as you don’t only sell first team players to strengthen. You sell who you want to sell to raise funds and all of that money should be available. Pretty simple. Only you mentioned boardroom promises. Profits from previous windows are relevant to the money in the club so purely looking at this one window doesn’t make sense.
            In these days of huge fees our spend in itself was not far away from those at Brighton or Huddersfield who we came up with and depending on Wednesdays results we are in a similar league position. The point of the net spend and the previous windows are that we should have had far more available to spend which hopefully may have put us ahead of those teams

          • Clarko

            That’s better, I understand, this now has structure, you’re still wrong, but there is a train of thought that I can derail.

            “You don’t only sell first team players to strengthen. You sell who you want to sell to raise funds and all of that money should be available”. In the summer window, Newcastle did spend all of the money made available through sales, Newcastle sold €19.40m worth of players and bought €42.30m worth of players, that point in relation to the summer window is invalid because Newcastle had a €22.90m net spend (or €15.9m including the €7m Sissoko instalment).

            Newcastle didn’t make significant “profit from previous windows”, Newcastle had a net spend of around -€9.10m in the 16/17 season when you take into account the staggered Sissoko fee. You are completely disregarding the financial impact of relegation, Newcastle had a £74m pound wage bill in 15/16, we had to pay that in the Championship with a ~£100m decrease in revenue as a result of lost PL TV money, Mike Ashley had to loan the club £33m in December 2016 to allow the club to keep running. Newcastle lost money last year, so no we shouldn’t have had far more available to spend.

            For reference Brighton’s 15/16 wage bill was only £27m and Huddersfield’s 15/16 was a measly £15m.

          • Clarko

            Newcastle didn’t make significant “profit from previous windows”, Newcastle had a net spend of around -€9.10m in the 16/17 season when you take into account the staggered Sissoko fee. You are completely disregarding the financial impact of relegation, Newcastle had a £74m pound wage bill in 15/16, we had to pay that in the Championship with a ~£100m decrease in revenue as a result of lost PL TV money, Mike Ashley had to loan the club £33m in December 2016 to allow it to keep running. Newcastle lost money last year, so no, we shouldn’t have had far more available to spend.

            “You don’t only sell first team players to strengthen. You sell who you want to sell to raise funds and all of that money should be available”. In the summer window, Newcastle did spend all of the money made available through sales, Newcastle sold €19.40m worth of players and bought €42.30m worth of players, that point in relation to the summer window is invalid because Newcastle had a €22.90m net spend (or €15.9m including the €7m Sissoko instalment).

          • nevfur

            I think the loss of access to tv money was the first season of it so we didn’t get it but prior to that we didn’t get it either. Last year was the first season of it. That is the 100M deal.
            Didn’t Mike Ashley make that money available rather than necessarily all of it being used.
            Fair point on the Sissoko instalments however why did Ashley obviously give Rafa the impression that more would be available than actually appeared? The club was due parachute payments, tv money albeit small compared to PL, prize money for the title then clinched two sponsorships along with record season ticket sales. The sponsorship money from sports direct also comes into it, oh wait, more lies.
            More money should have been available although not as much as we would like due to two relegations on Ashley’s watch.

          • Clarko

            Newcastle received ~£77m in 2014, ~£76m in 2015 and ~£73m in 2016 from the Premier League. That is cut down to ~£41m in the form of parachute payments in 2017.

            “Didn’t Mike Ashley make that money available rather than necessarily all of it being used”. Why would he do that? That would be absolutley pointless. If you look at the 2016 accounts Newcastle had a turnover of £126m, making an operating profit of £0.9m, now take away the £30m-£35m loss in TV money from the turnover, Newcastle would be operating at -£35m loss. The money would have been used.

            “Why did Ashley obviously give Rafa the impression that more would be available than actually appeared?” Hey look, boardroom promises. Only Benitez and Ashley know what was promised, it’s a he said/she said type scenario.

            I have already covered parachute payments (above). Newcastle received a measly £7.1m for winning the Championship, there is no way of knowing how or when the new sponsorship money (£6m-£7m) will be paid, the same can be said for ticket sales.

            Sources: Guardian, Telegraph, NUFC website and Official Premier League website

          • nevfur

            Good points. Not the loss of £100M you first claimed then. Now more like 30-35 not including what we got last season and the aforementioned 7.1.
            The claim that Ashley put money into the club at the turn of the year was reported as being to cover possible losses at the time rather than a definitive loss mentioned, not my words. Maybe it was all used maybe it wasn’t we don’t know yet. Why would he do that? Who knows, ask the reporters that said it.
            I think we all know the gist of the boardroom promises. Rafa was smiling and happy to stay then at the close of the window wasn’t happy. Not rocket science to see he didn’t get what he was promised. Probably something like the horse that never got bolted into the horse.
            Obviously we know nothing about the sponsorship deals as yet but for sure they won’t have paid nothing up front unlike SD who just pay nothing.

          • Clarko

            We did lose £100m worth of revenue through the loss of the Premier League TV money, that revenue was replaced by £41m worth of parachute payments.

            Ashley loaned the club £33m, as mentioned in my previous comment the club has lost around £30-£35m income when just looking at the drop from previous Premier League payments to parachute payments. You have to assume that all of the money was used. Even with the loan, you have to assume that Newcastle would have still lost money.

            “Rafa was smiling and happy to stay then at the close of the window wasn’t happy. Not rocket science to see he didn’t get what he was promised”. There are many possibilities, he didn’t get the transfer budget he wanted, he didn’t get a player he wanted, he wasn’t given the wage bill he wanted, he didn’t get rid of the players he wanted, he might just be kicking up a fuss to try and get more or to create an excuse that he can use later to shift the blame onto someone else.

            To tie this back around to the actual subject matter of the thread. Newcastle have been given enough money to compete, if we are relegated, there is only one person to blame, Benitez.

          • nevfur

            As he is the man in charge of the team that is correct. Don’t think it will happen personally but it’s going to be the usual roller coaster. Not exactly “in Rafa we trust” cliche but his record is excellent so I think he will get it right and the likely alternatives are poor. Ashley however has presided over two relegations and we would be far better off without that. Hope the takeover happens although no one knows if they will improve things or not. At least Amanda is better to look at

          • Clarko

            “At least Amanda is better to look at”

            Amen.

          • Clarko

            “Well to say someone on a free forum is interrupting is certainly idiotic”, and why is that? What is the difference between interrupting someone on a “free forum” and in conversation? It’s exactly the same thing, the platform has no relevance, you are free to interrupt me on this forum, but it doesn’t mean you didn’t interrupt me, you did, that is factual. Get over it and move on.

            “I think you will find that 3 other people apart from us two have contributed to this thread”, they didn’t reply directly to me, like you did. Again this both factual and pedantic, move on.

            “Net spend is hardly varying the conversation. The point of net spend comes into this same argument all the time and indeed is mentioned by the fat controller in this very thread”, then why did you reply to me then? I have not discussed net spend, it had no relevance to my discussion.

          • nevfur

            I think it’s you that needs to get over it. A free discussion forum and a private conversation are nothing like being the same. To interrupt would be to stop you from speaking or talk over you none of which were done. The point of the free forum which is not in any way a private room is that anyone can contribute to the overall discussion. However if you want to retain your opinion you are free to do it. It does rather add a pointless argument onto the side of what was actually being discussed. Btw I presume you realise that you “interrupted” Jezza’s conversation in the same way as he did to you too. Maybe because it’s an open forum.

          • Clarko

            Jezza’s “conversation” was about me. Not an interruption. Again, there is not difference between an open forum and a conversation. I’m moving on from this.

          • nevfur

            You certainly should move on from it. MAybe we should ask the chronicle to do a survey to decide it

          • nevfur

            By the way, this is an open forum for discussions so to say someone is interrupting YOUR discussion is totally idiotic

        • Natturner26

          Blame Rafa because we are the worst team in the league despite spending similar amounts to other teams.

          • TheFatController

            No, on net spend we are not even close to other teams – we spent ~£35m, £0m and £11m net in last 3 windows.
            Sorry to disappoint, but Rafa is by far the least well funded manager in the PL.

            Hard as it is to accept reality, and I know this must come as a shock to you, but in some ways unbeknown to you clearly, Mike Ashley is to blame for our situation.

            No, seriously.

          • HarryHype59

            Clarko argued Rafa would get £70m min in the summer!

          • Clarko

            So did Benitez, it’s hard predicting the future, I haven’t mastered it, yet.

            Why don’t you try to break down this argument?

  • Peaky Magpie

    Shelvey,Mitro,Mbemba,Aarons will be all off in January.

    • nufcslf

      Scary thought, because as far as I understand football that’s 4 footballer’s you could start to build a team around.

      • Natturner26

        well said

      • Peaky Magpie

        You’re spot on mate but which one of those did he sign ? He has his obvious favourite and if your face doesn’t fit your on the schitt list as M Maximus Moose would say.

        • nufcslf

          I really think Rafa could do a job under a new set up, but being stubborn in a losing situation is suicide. Fatty simply doesn’t need any help fu**ing the suppoter’s that want to care and be passionate on match day. Please pick the best 11 you have available for Wednesday and start from there. No more Joselu, it is embarrassing beyond words. Here’s hoping for 3 points.

          • Peaky Magpie

            Need 3 points against Hippo Heeds scouse mackems as we’ll get sweet FA against Arsenal & Citeh.West Ham won’t be easy then we have to surely get something against Brighton home then Stoke away.Unfortunately easier said than done.

    • Jezza

      They certainly will be if Fatso can find buyers for them. The same applies to the rest of our players.

  • Gary Linney

    I’m puzzled by Rafa’s selection…again! Play to your strengths, I was always told… but that definitely wasn’t our strongest selection… again! Conspiracy theory in action to force Ashley to play his hand, mebbies? I’m puzzled & can’t work out how bad this team has become… shockingly bad! 😡😡

    • TheFatController

      So, if the conspiracy theory is correct, we should condemn Rafa for making it difficult for Ashley to ask any more than £250m for the club, enabling Staveley to spend on players if she buys rather than pumping £millions into ashley’s Back pocket?

      Shame on Rafa for denying Ashley money…

    • Jezza

      This team hasn’t become bad it is at its natural level. It is simply a team that was never going to be good enough to play in the Premiership.

  • StevieB

    Has anyone else heard the takeover is confirmed for the 17th ???

    • Paul Patterson

      Source?

      • Blackburn1066

        April the 1st Confirmed He heeeeeee

  • nufcslf

    Not sure a takeover is going to help anymore. Please prove me wrong. That match was simply going pear shaped from the second Gayle should have made 2 nil. Can’t wait to see the starting 11 on Wednesday and have to go, ‘NEVER’, before a ball is even kicked.

  • Philippines

    Lost for words. At least Perez scored.

    • Leazes Ender

      Inspired substitution.

  • ghostrider

    There is enough quality in this squad to easily get us clear of relegation.
    The massive issue is in bringing in a simple manager to use what we have to full effectiveness.
    Rafa needs to be sacked along with his coaching team.

    The only issue is in us being taken over and no manager would want to be a simple stop gap.
    That team is dire, not because the players are dire, it’s because we have a manager that’s zapping the life out of them.

    You only had to look at the body language of many of the players.
    People can blame Ashley all they want but Rafa Benitez should be getting this squad playing far far better than this.
    His wages are sickening for what he’s producing.

    Benitez out is what’s needed but a quick buy out needs to happen right now to effect it because I wouldn’t trust this man with transfer money.
    Buy out and sack him and bring in a manager that can get this team playing real football with confidence.

    • HarryHype59

      “Enough quality”

      If only!

    • Jezza

      You want a simple manager and you’re going to get one soon enough. They don’t come any more simple than Joe Kinnear.

      • ghostrider

        So Joe Kinnear’s the only option left if Rafa gets the boot, eh?
        Who mentioned a simple manager?
        You did.
        I want a manager that can get a team playing FOOTBALL for 90 minutes in order to try to win a football game.
        I want a manager that tells his team to score more than the opposition.
        I don’t want any manager who sets his team up with a mentality of defending a 0-0 or defending a game when we are 1-0 down or whatever in order not to lose BIG, so it gives the false mindset of being organised defensively, with sporadic forages in the opposite direction and also with absolutely no plan B in terms of trying to get back into a losing game.

        I’ll take any manager that is capable of producing football as it should be played and any manager that has the ability to try to change a game when all things don’t pan out.
        I also want a manager that plays players on their merits and their ability to effect a game and not players who simply do not.

        I’d take almost any manager over Rafa Benitez and I’m serious. I do not like the man and I do not like his management style or ways.

        He’s systematically destroying any talent we have in the better players and leaving the players with potential to fester.
        Get this man out and get him out now rather than wait, because, if fans feel they can wait till we’re relegated under him and then decide it’s not Rafa’s fault, then what’s the point?

        The only reason most people and pundits won’t rip into him is for fear he turns things around and makes them look bad or silly.
        Well let me tell you right now. I’m calling him out as being garbage and he needs sacking.

        He won’t turn this around because he’s losing most of the players and is destroying them to such a standard as to cause a massive implosion, which you will see in full effect in the coming weeks if this man is allowed to carry on.

        • Jezza

          YOU mentioned “a simple manager” in YOUR comment I replied to:

          QUOTE:”The massive issue is in bringing in a simple manager to use what we have to full effectiveness.”

      • ghostrider

        Yeah I did but I don’t mean a simpleton, I mean a manager that doesn’t come with a tag attached like Rafa the useless.
        I hold my hands up and say I did say “simple” and fair enough.

        Ok, as simple as this. A manager that is simply able enough to get a football team from a football squad to play football on that pitch come match day, in a way we all expect it to be played.

        • Jezza

          I know you didn’t mean a simpleton. My reply was a witty play on words.

  • Peter Stabler

    There’s a few on here need to calm down – unless you are 14 then i’ll let you off. We weren’t very good last night but Leicester were, they were champions the season before last with almost the same team bar CM were Ndidi is far better than what we’ve got. The fans were great – at least at the start they were.

    • HarryHype59

      Yes, one point out of 21, nowt to worry about!

      • Peter Stabler

        I am worried but i’m not throwing the baby out with the bath water.

  • GlasgowMag

    Read a lot of so called experts wanting Rafa sacked over the last few weeks on these websites so who is going to replace him with such a wonderfull owner in charge. Everyone knew this was going to happen with the lack of investment in the summer and really can we please stop the bull regarding Mitro being the answer he is not, as proven on numerous times in the past. So fat boy your gamble has failed yet again, offer on the table do you cash out or twist with the championship beckoning can you really be that stupid!!!

    • Leazes Ender

      They were promised a Rafalution by the local press (Douglas and Ryder)….

      I think everyone is disappointed that the players brought in were not Rafa quality, there was a lot of expectation and no fulfilment. Rafa is a good manager with Rafa type players… top internationals.

      Were these players Rafa brought in premiership quality?…. No just cheap strugglers.

      Ashley’s Russian Roulette…. why does he do it?

      Held in adoration as the people’s champion against the evil Ashley….

      …Why did Rafa not walk?

      • nufcslf

        That’s the million dollar question. I am lost for words for what fatty thinks and can’t for the life of me understand what he might be hanging on for no matter how greedy the [email protected] t is. Time for change or no future for the club. Can’t even see stupid panic spending in January mattering a sh*t if he stays on yesterday’s performance.