After Saturday’s matches, the Premier League form table over the last 11 weeks doesn’t look great for Newcastle.

With defeats in their opening two games, Rafa’s players bounced back with three wins in a row.

Since then though it has been tough going.

Newcastle’s record since then in the next/last 10 games has been 1 win, 3 draws and 6 defeats.

To put it into context, this is the number of points all the Premier League clubs got in their last 10 matches (before Sunday 3 December fixtures):

30 Man City

22 Man Utd

22 Chelsea

21 Liverpool

21 Arsenal

17 Tottenham

17 Burnley

16 Leicester

14 Bournemouth

14 Watford

14 Everton

13 Brighton

11 Southampton

11 Stoke

10 Crystal Palace

7 Huddersfield

7 West Ham

6 Newcastle United

5 West Brom

4 Swansea

Desperate stuff for five clubs including Newcastle and a bit of a concern that even after being labelled a joke, even Crystal Palace have outpointed Rafa’s team.

On Saturday night this is how the Premier League table looked (Bournemouth v Southampton and Man City v West Ham playing on Sunday):

premier league

As you can the other four clubs (Huddersfield, West Ham, Swansea and West Brom) in the bottom five of the 10 game form league are also still below Newcastle in the current Premier League table.

Reality though for Newcastle is that they can’t rely on such dismal form continuing for others, just like Palace and Bournemouth have done, it is almost inevitable that most/all of the clubs still below Newcastle will hit a run of form, no matter how temporary, some time in the near future.

Newcastle need to find their own form and the two home games four days apart against Leicester and Everton are looking crucial.

  • MichaelMaximusMoose

    Fatso`s `Castle is built on sand & the tides coming in, Fast

  • HarryHype59

    Looking at that form table, why would anyone want to offer £350m for this club? There is a real probability there may be no lucrative EPL TV money coming in!

    • Albert Stubbins

      Because there’s 38 games in a season and not ten.! Also there is more of a chance of survival rather than relegation based on where we are in the league at this point in the season. Plus we’ve all seen three worse teams than us this season. It will be close but Im positive well be ok.

      • Shipcote Willy

        It’s still a £300m+ gamble for potential owners who are business orientated and not like Ashley who constantly puts the club at risk with his lack of investment.

        • Albert Stubbins

          Yes but if we were a constant top six side you’d be looking at ten times that so it’s a gamble worth taking surely?

          • TheFatController

            You wouldn’t buy a house for more than it was worth because ‘it might have potential if you do it up with huge investment not guaranteed to make a return…’ – you’d say to the owner ‘well, do it up yourself or sell it for what its worth now’.

            Spending £250m on the squad on top of £350m for the club might get us to 8th or 7th, which isn’t making the club worth the £600m you just laid out…

            …which might explain why when selling the club, Ashley gets no bids other than one of less than £300m. So here’s two facts we know:-
            -Ashley won’t invest in it
            -No-one else (absolutely no one on this planet) will pay over £300m for it

            Read into those facts what you will about the potential you mention.

          • Albert Stubbins

            I reckon three fifty is a fair price . She needs to put up or shut up. The chronic reported that the asking price for city was two billion in 2010/11. If this is correct then three fifty is a bargain imo.

          • HarryHype59

            Three fifty is far too high as the squad has low player equity! Without the lucrative TV cash even Bobbi Fleckman admits the club is worthless!

          • TheFatController

            No, the Chronicle said Man City was valued at £2bn in 2015 when they sold 13% for £250m. By 2010, after 2 years, The Guardian reported Mansour had invested £400m.

            In Sept 2014 Telegraph reported Mansour had gone through the £1bn barrier in 2011, and by the 2014 date investment was above £1.2bn – that’s 3 years ago!

            Last year City’s revenues were £400m for the year.

            you say ‘she’ (I presume you mean Staveley?) should pay £350m or shut up. She’ll shut up and go elsewhere, no-one wants us even at £300m yet you and Ashley think its worth £350m(?) Who is there that will put £1.2bn into us like Mansour did at City? No-one, clearly.

            City are worth £2bn because Mansour virtually put that in – almost 10 years in, he’s probably nowhere nearing making much if any return on his investment…

            But hey, you reckon it worth £350M – you have no idea what its worth, but the financial world clearly does because loud and clearly no one is bidding anything at the moment. Except below £300m, Funny that…

          • Albert Stubbins

            Fair points. What are we worth then. I was always taught that people will only pay what something is worth. What is Newcastle united worth now in your opinion?

          • TheFatController

            That’s easy. What someone is willing to pay for it. So after 10 years, we’ve had one bid, allegedly below £300m

            It’s like a Van Gogh painting’s value – it’s determined by the highest bid at auction – not by what the seller wants for it.

            In the market that is PL clubs, supply side there’s one club avaible at £350m +, and on the demand side one bid of £300m – in economics, that’s called a buyer’s market.

          • Albert Stubbins

            Aye that’s what I wanted to say. What someone is willing to pay for it. Seems like it’s take the three hundred mill or the offers off the table. It looks increasingly like it’s not going to happen dont you think?

          • TheFatController

            Well, the longer we keep losing combined with the lack of other bids I think makes it impossible for Ashley not to sell so long as he has a reasonable offer ie over £280m approx

            Why? Because Swansea can change their manager and get better, we can’t. And no new owner deal means Rafa will either go or be so frustrated it’ll be detrimental. West Ham, Bournemouth, West Brom and Palace all have more PL experience than us. Brighton and Huddersfield have less pressure than us.

            Ashley knows we’ll be favorites for relegation soon, because he knows better than anyone we won’t be spending in jan. Why would he not sell given it’s a massive c.£150m gamble (with the odds against us) if he stays by refusing the £300m?

          • HarryHype59

            What actual empirical evidence do you have for that guestimate?

          • Albert Stubbins

            Just the comparison with man city to be honest.

      • HarryHype59

        The club is free falling down the table gaining one point out of eighteen! The next two games are against early season strugglers, Leicester and Everton who are now shooting up the form table!

        If we were to survive and there are actually three worse teams, the gap between us and them is too small to risk £300m plus!

  • Shipcote Willy

    Looking at the coming fixtures and our squad I can only see it getting worse as Rafa said it would. As Big Al said yesterday it was the champions of the Premier League playing a Championship team. It’s a minor miracle we are not worse off. The squad lacks quality and depth. I can’t see any potential new owners risking hundreds of millions on a gamble that we might stay up. Unfortunately I can see Ashley still in charge and once again gambling we will survive without further spending.

  • Saul Williams

    Surely it’s coming to the tipping point for Ashley,sell now for around 300million,or risk the value of the club decreasing.Im confident the sale will be agreed soon.The slide down the table is alarming.I hope the alarm bells are ringing in Ashley’s ears.

    • TheFatController

      Yes, ‘form is temporary’ is the rule that applies to all 10 years of Ashley’s reign. No matter what a manager achieves, the low investment in squad and youth development, and the negativity the owner brings will always make ‘losing runs’ the rule rather than the exception.

      Any positivity anyone brings (eg Rafa arriving and winning fans over, getting a team spirit etc, Hughton’s time, Pardew finishing 5th) must be crushed against the brick wall that is the owner’s lack of positivity towards the club

    • HarryHype59

      Randy Lerner wanted £160m for Villa when they were in the EPL. He sold it for £60m once they were relegated! Without the TV money the club is worth around 40% of its top flight value!

      The Fat one needs to take note of this!

  • Martin

    In terms of spending and value of squad we rank 16th in the league. We are about where we ought to be. The concern is that both Palace and West Ham have significantly underachieved. I do not think either team will be relegated. On the flip side, Burnley are doing very well and Pardew has a good record of keeping teams up and usually starts well. Bournemouth also looked good up here. If we do not spend in January, I can’t see us surviving. I think we will be down there with Swansea and Huddersfield at the end of the season. The squad looks tired and desperately needs a lift in January.