Difficult to believe that it is really only seven days since news was leaked that Newcastle United had received a formal offer to buy the club from Amanda Staveley.

Last Monday night it was claimed that an offer ‘in the region of £300m’ had been presented to Mike Ashley.

Confirmation that a bid had indeed been made was communicated by both sides via the media, though it turned out the bid had actually gone in the week before, with the belief that the Staveley side of things had then leaked news of it due to a lack of movement from the Ashley side.

The Mike Ashley PR machine put out the message that the offer was nowhere near £300m and that it supposedly included a number of clauses. The more believable was a relegation clause that meant compensation would be paid if Newcastle made the drop, whilst the less believable included a higher price only paid if NUFC went on to win the Champions League and Premier League.

Monday night (tonight) though, has brought an update.

The Telegraph are reporting that their information is that there is a new rival bidder to Amanda Staveley, with talks being held with the club.

Reports of a rival bidder comes only hours after Rafa Benitez presented a bleak picture of how weak the lack of budget in the summer has left his squad.

The United boss also saying he doesn’t know what is happening with a takeover and indicating that minimal money may be available to spend in the transfer window, which is now only five weeks away.

Rafa Benitez:

“We have to compete against Huddersfield, Brighton and Burnley – but we couldn’t compete (in the summer) against those clubs and sign the players that they were signing.

“We couldn’t pay the prices they were paying or the wages they were offering.

“If you want to sign a striker who will score 20 goals – you must pay £40m.

“If you sign an average striker it is £15m.

“Or £10m if they can (just) kick it forward.

“We didn’t do it and that is the situation we’re in. We must stick together and I still have full confidence in our team.

“We do not know what is going on (with the takeover) and what will happen.

“Our fans need to know it could be even worse.

“If we don’t sign anyone what can we do?

“We have to stick together and keep working hard until the end of the season. 

“Could it be better? Yes, 100%, but everyone needs to understand our reality.”



  • Anthony Barnes

    Benitez sacked first thing Wednesday morning and Mike taking club off market and bringing back Dennis wise as caretaker manager till the end of the season

  • Rich Lawson

    Come on ! Surely we have been told several times on here that once Amanda entered into talks there was an excluslive period of time for her that excluded other bidders ? So if we’re talking to someone else she must be out ? Or is it just more ill informed b######s ?

    • Mrkgw

      She is said to have made bids for other clubs and walked away – why would things be different for our car crash of a club? That said, it may well be your latter possibility!

      • Rich Lawson

        If she had walked away I think she would say so and why,so I am still hopeful,particularly as the ‘informed source” doesn’t name who else is in ?

        • Mrkgw

          We live in hope eh.

          • Rich Lawson

            It’s all we can do pal,good night.

          • Mrkgw

            Yes mate, maybe tomorrow will bring better things.

      • Guest 2

        Which clubs? She was involved in trying to broker deals for LFC three times and the owners wouldn’t play along. The other one is City – and they are doing so badly now are they?

    • Coble’s Return

      Exclusivity is not granted just because a bid is made. Ashley would have to agree to a period of exclusivity on the basis that he was happy with the bid, or that it was near enough to start detailed negotiations. He wasn’t happy with the bid and so the door remains open to others at this stage.

  • Mrkgw

    It really does come to something when our club given its history and massive and loyal support cannot compete with the likes of Huddersfield, Brighton, Burnley etc. Given how far we came under Keegan, Robson – how the mighty fall when owned and run by a pathetically bad excuse for a regime like the one we have at the moment. To make matters worse, pundits, the media, even our own Manager talk down expectation. What have things come to?

    • Clarko

      How are we not competing with Huddersfield, Brighton and Burnley?

      • Mrkgw

        Rafa said that we can’t Clarko. He said we can’t pay the wages they pay. It was on Sky Sports News only moments ago.

        • Clarko

          That is simply not true.

          In the summer Newcastle spent €42.30m, Brighton spent €47.60m, Huddersfield spent €44.40m and Burnley spent €34.04m.

          It was revealed today that Newcastle have an average weekly wage of £1.70m, Brighton have an average weekly wage of £1.35m, Huddersfield have an average weekly wage of £1.02m and Burnley have an average weekly wage of £1.37m.

          We can and do compete with those teams.

          Sources: Transfermarkt and Chronicle

          • Mrkgw

            Then I wonder why Rafa has spouted otherwise. I can only guess through frustration. We really do need to show improvement tonight vs WBA. That Watford result was a shocker.

          • Mrkgw

            Here you go Clarko – the extract;

            He said: “The reality is that if you want to sign a striker who can score 20 goals every year, it is £40m (€44.8m). An average striker is £20m (€22.4m) or £30m (€33.6m).

            “We didn’t do that, so we are where we are. We have to compete against Huddersfield, Brighton or Burnley, but we couldn’t compete against those clubs and sign the players they were signing. We couldn’t pay the prices they were paying or the wages they were offering.”

          • Clarko

            I did see/read the interview, I already knew the reason as to why you made the initial comment.

            On the comment, it’s an easy out for Benitez, blame Ashley who the fans already hate while absolving yourself of the blame.

          • Mrkgw

            Makes you wonder whether his time with us is running out. The pressure will be building and lets face it, his reputation is on the line. Time will tell of course and all we can do is speculate. Thats me for the night – all the best, over and out.

          • Guest 2

            Coz it’s all Rafa’s fault and not Ashley’s? Go take your heed for a [email protected], man. Fatty is hated for good reason, by anyone with more than two brain cells

          • TheFatController

            Well, you could say that. But then again, for Huddersfield and Brighton, their managers don’t have to field questions about why they aren’t spending despite the owner’s claims they would be spending every penny available.

            Also, they are just glad to have the chance to stay up, whereas we as fans are more demanding. Not deluded, but we don’t tolerate ‘aiming for survival’ easily

            So really, Rafa is put under intense pressure by the owner to lift fans who’ve rarely had it so bad, whereas the other three clubs feel their owners are giving them a period where they’ve never had it so good…

          • Clarko

            In response to your first paragraph:
            We are spending, that’s the problem, in the summer Newcastle spent €42.30m, Brighton spent €47.60m, Huddersfield spent €44.40m and Burnley spent €34.04m.

            In response to your second paragraph:
            That has nothing to do with the topic. However I do feel like our fan base suffers from delusions of grandeur. We’re a newly promoted side, that has spent €106.5m on players since relegation. That’s an outstanding number.

            In response to your third paragraph:
            Again nothing to do with the topic.

          • Keeganontherebound

            We got relegated 18 months ago – which should tell you we weren’t good enough for the premiership. The only sum relevant here is how much we’ve invested in players above and beyond what we’ve received in sales. It’s pointless giving a figure for what we’ve spent without mentioning what we’ve received. The real issue is that a squad that was too weak for the premiership has had little invested in it.

          • Clarko

            “We got relegated 18 months ago – which should tell you we weren’t good enough for the premiership”. No. That tells me that Newcastle got relegated 18 months ago. Silly comment.

            “The only sum relevant here is how much we’ve invested in players above and beyond what we’ve received in sales”. Again no, we have invested €106.5m in the squad since relegation, that’s a relevant number.

            “The real issue is that a squad that was too weak for the premiership has had little invested in it”. Since the transfer window Newcastle have spent €42.30m, Brighton have spent €47.60m, Huddersfield have spent €44.40m and Burnley have spent €34.04m. The squad may be weak, but the squad has had a similar amount of money invested in it as the teams mentioned. (Again, net spend is not relevant here as Newcastle didn’t sell anyone of note)

          • lukegte

            Net spend is not relevant? What are you talking about? Back that up with logic, without regurgitating the same bile you’ve already spewed all over this comments thread. Enlighten us, how is net spend not relevant? Net spend is all that’s relevant. The ability of the players sold is not relevant. MA said Benitez could spend all the money the club generated. The club has way more than its (ENTIRELY RELEVANT) net spend of 12m in the summer and fans have a right to feel aggrieved about this. You’re a blatant shill.

          • Clarko

            I did back it up with logic, you just chose to ignore it. What first team player did Newcastle sell in the summer?

          • lukegte

            I never said we did! The status of players doesn’t have any effect on a club’s financial outgoings or income! The fact that players were sold is the relevant point here! I feel bad for those you are close to, I really do. What a wally! Haha

          • Clarko

            So if Newcastle didn’t sell any first team players, why is net spend relevant to this discussion? You keep saying it’s relevant without actually stating why.

            Benitez states, “We couldn’t pay the prices they (Brighton, Huddersfield and Burnley) were paying or the wages they were offering.”

            Since the transfer window Newcastle have spent €42.30m, Brighton have spent €47.60m, Huddersfield have spent €44.40m and Burnley have spent €34.04m.”

            Newcastle have an average weekly wage of £1.70m, Brighton have an average weekly wage of £1.35m, Huddersfield have an average weekly wage of £1.02m and Burnley have an average weekly wage of £1.37m.

            Net spend is not relevant to this discussion because Newcastle didn’t lose or have to replace any first team players.

          • TheFatController

            The team is performing as well as the other teams excepting Burnley. Look at the table.

            What Rafa said was players this summer went to other clubs not us for reasons of money. Note he said ‘this summer’

            So why when Rafa mentions ‘this summer we couldn’t compete’ so you keep talking about a period involving three transfer windows…?

            And you tell me I go off topic.

          • Clarko

            No I’m not “talking about a period involving three transfer windows”, you’re lying. Three times I have stated the following now:

            “Since the transfer window Newcastle have spent €42.30m, Brighton have spent €47.60m, Huddersfield have spent €44.40m and Burnley have spent €34.04m.”

            “It was revealed today that Newcastle have an average weekly wage of £1.70m, Brighton have an average weekly wage of £1.35m, Huddersfield have an average weekly wage of £1.02m and Burnley have an average weekly wage of £1.37m.”

            We can, we did, compete with those clubs financially.

          • TheFatController

            Haha, it’s come to the point where Rafa isn’t allowed to criticise Ashley for not competing in the transfer market with Huddersfield and Brighton because we have very similar finances as them looking at wages and spend out whilst ignoring money received on sales.

            Ok ok, Rafa had it wrong, ‘we actually can compete when I leave out players sold and that revenue’ is what he will have to say in tonight’s interviews.

            You’re really intent on attacking Rafa, because someone had got to pay for our predicament and Rafa is easier than Ashley for the cowards amongst us. so much so you are prepared to ignore facts such as
            – we sell players to be able to buy unlike Brighton and Huddersfield
            – seriously, after 52k every week last season, compared to match day, TV and place finished money last season we are actually competing with Brighton and Huddersfield when you forget the money in from players sold? Happy days!

            Your problem is, the more you back Ashley not Rafa with these bizarre comparisons, you’re making the case stronger for Rafa because it reveals just how poorly run we have been, are and will be until we are sold whenever that may be.

          • Clarko

            Yes, it has come to a point where Benitez isn’t allowed to criticise Ashley for not competing financially with Brighton, Huddersfield and Burnley, why? Because it’s not true, we are competing with those clubs financially.

            Net spend is not relevant to this discussion because Newcastle didn’t lose or have to replace any first team players.

            “You’re really intent on attacking Rafa”. No, I’m intent on people being made aware of the facts.

            You state that I’m ignoring that “we sell players to be able to buy unlike Brighton and Huddersfield”, that’s not true, Newcastle didn’t a first team player, Huddersfield lost Wells who appeared 43 times in the 16/17 season, Brighton lost Stockdale who appeared 45 in the 16/17 season. Who did Newcastle lose? Murphy? De Jong? Thauvin? Net spend is not relevant to this discussion.

            You go on and again talk about last seasons net spend (after trying to accuse me of focusing on a period of “three windows”), TV and Championship placement revenue last season. Newcastle received £7.1m for winning the Championship, they recieved £0.1m for every televised home game and £0.01m for every televised away game, Newcastle had a net spend of around -€9.1m. That is not a lot of money, that revenue is so insignificant that Mike Ashley had to loan the club £33m in December 2016 to help the club cope with the financial difficulties of relegation. The club lost money last season.

          • TheFatController

            So whose fault was is that money was lost last season ? Rafa’s?

            Look, it can’t be Mike Ashley’s club when he is ‘entitled’ to put SD all over the stadium for free, but ‘our club’ when he loans it money.

            You are highlighting the cost of relegation, which makes it even more incomprehensible that Ashley can’t make a world class manager (based on the theory that if you’re employed by Inter and Real and win CL with Liverpool) happy with honouring his word.

            Even if we can compete at the same level as Brighton and Huddersfield financially, it is not a level playing field in terms of expectation and pressure, so here, on understanding the non-financial influences on football team performance, Ashley is yet again failing.

            He’s a poor owner for having no knowledge of non-financial football matters, and likely as a result to soon be out. Rafa will go on to prove why inter, Napoli and Real employed him and new owners might see ‘competing with Huddersfield and brighton financially’ as not being ambitious enough or helping a manager with way more pressure to carry than those two clubs’ managers …

          • Clarko

            Look, you’re going down a rabbit hole, this is a straw man, the discussion was originally around the comments made by Benitez and how they were false, I have argued what you want to argue many, many times, this will be my last comment on subject matter not related to the comments made by Benitez and the transfer spend in 17/18.

            Benitez was in charge when Newcastle were relegated, failing to win games against Norwich, Sunderland and Aston Villa, he is partly responsible for relegation and the resulting revenue strain.

            Were you present during the meeting(s) between Ashley and Benitez? I’m going to assume you were not, we don’t know how much was promised, we don’t know how much “every last penny” is/was, so we don’t know if Ashley honoured his word or not. It is a he said/he said situation, it’s a fruitless discussion.

            The comment, “it is not a level playing field in terms of expectation and pressure” is a load of drivel, stay objective.

            Echoing what I stated in the first paragraph you’re trying to turning this into an Ashley witch hunt, it’s not, this is a can we compete with Brighton, Burnley and Huddersfield witch hunt. We can.

          • Keeganontherebound

            No, that’s right, we haven’t sold anyone of note. Apart from Thauvin in the summer who is now involved with the France squad. And Sissoko and Wijnaldum after relegation – one of whom is a French international who is now getting game time at Spurs the other a Dutch international who is getting in the Liverpool team. It simply doesn’t make any sense to mention figures spent on recruitment since relegation or during the summer without taking player sales into account.

          • Clarko

            Thauvin’s last appearance was 11 minutes against Arsenal on the 2nd of January 2016, he left 4 transfer windows ago. Sissoko and Wijnaldum left in the summer of 2016, the main topic of discussion is on this seasons transfer window.

          • Keeganontherebound

            Thauvin was officially on loan last season so he was transferred in the summer and the fee will have been payable then. As for the main topic of conversation, you’re the one who keeps bringing up the 100m euros figure when it comes to transfer expenditure since relegation.It looks a lot less impressive once you’ve factored in that more than half of that is accounted for by the Sissoko and Wijnaldum sales.

          • Clarko

            Again, for the third time, Thauvin’s last appearance was in January 2016, 4 transfer windows ago.

            I have mentioned the “€106.5m” two times, I have mentioned the £42.30m seven times now on this thread. I am not the one focusing on previous seasons transfers.

            More than half of that is not account for by the Sissoko and Wijnaldum sales, Newcastle received around ~€34.5m in the 16/17 summer window for those sales (plus an additional ~€7m this season). That’s 32.4% (or 41.1% with the additional ~€7m).

          • Keeganontherebound

            How much the club has actually already received is completely irrelevant. The money has been spent in the knowledge that those fees will be paid in full – and that will amount to more than half of what you think is an impressive outlay.
            Let me make this really simple for you. Bob and John are buying new cars for £15,000. Bob is paying cash. John is paying £10,000 in cash and trading in his old car which had a value of £5,000. Who do you think has invested more in buying a new car? That’s why looking at net spend is important – it tells you how much has actually been invested in a team that was not good enough for the premiership.

          • Clarko

            Newcastle’s net spend in 16/17 season was around -€9.1m.

            Back to the topic:
            Benitez states, “We couldn’t pay the prices they (Brighton, Huddersfield and Burnley) were paying or the wages they were offering.”

            Since the transfer window Newcastle have spent €42.30m, Brighton have spent €47.60m, Huddersfield have spent €44.40m and Burnley have spent €34.04m.”

            Newcastle have an average weekly wage of £1.70m, Brighton have an average weekly wage of £1.35m, Huddersfield have an average weekly wage of £1.02m and Burnley have an average weekly wage of £1.37m.

            Net spend is not relevant to this discussion because Newcastle didn’t lose or have to replace any first team players.

          • Dillon Tovak

            Oh joy, this prix back.

          • TheFatController

            You’re leaving out facts to make your theory seem plausible – putting the burden of proof onto us to justify and defend Rafa.

            Why dont you mention the £100m in player sales Burnley Brighton and Huddersfield haven’t made since our relegation? That’s not rhetorical, please explain why?

            You said ‘Rafa cannot absolve himself of blame’, I mentioned reasons why Rafa could rightly Point the finger at Ashley making it difficult and you say it’s off topic.

            So let me get this right. You’re theory is Rafa should take the blame, and when I point out facts that put the blame with Ashley you say ‘that’s off topic’ ?

            I reject your claim and put the blame on Ashley for the facts I’ve stated. I won’t listen to you any further as you clearly don’t like facts, preferring your theory to be what you want it to be, not what facts prove.

          • Clarko

            It is off topic, you’re talking about a completely different topic, take a look back at the thread, the subject matter is specifically on money spent, not about Ashley’s statement at the end of last season.

            Again, has Ashley provided sufficient funds and wages to compete with Huddersfield and Brighton? Yes. Has Ashley had an impact on the players brought in and the recent slump in performances? No. Therefore Benitez is not justified in what he has said.

          • Sean Lynch

            Minus incomings!

          • Clarko

            What?

          • Guest 2

            What’s the net spend, you frikkin amateur accountant?

          • Keeganontherebound

            Our net spending (once you take away the fees received for Thauvin, de Jong and Murphy) was about half of Brighton’s and Huddersfield’s. I’m with Rafa on this one.

          • Clarko

            None of those players were first team players, two of those players didn’t play a game for the club in years, net spend is irrelevant, we didn’t sell anyone of importance.

          • Keeganontherebound

            It is relevant. It tells you how much the owner has actually invested in the team. Thauvin is now involved in the France set-up so saying he’s no-one of importance is simply denying reality.

          • Clarko

            Thauvin isn’t of importance to this disscussion, he last played on January 2nd 2016, 4 transfer windows ago. Newcastle invested €43.20m in the team in the summer, which is an acceptable amount when compared to the other teams.

          • Mark Potter

            He was never going to play for the club again. Most fans hated him. He didn’t want to play here anyway, he wanted to return to France.

          • Keeganontherebound

            That’s not the point. We got around 10m pounds for him. So we should have been comfortably outspending Brighton and Huddersfield who haven’t been offloading players for tens of millions of pounds.

          • mentalman

            They din’t sell anyone

          • Jezza

            It was actually around a quarter of both Brighton’s and Huddersfield’s net spends.

          • Keeganontherebound

            By my reckoning I thought we’d spent about 20m net as compared to about 40m for Brighton/Huddersfield but I suppose it depends who you believe when it comes to the fees paid/received and when they are payable and so on. Anyway we can certainly agree we’ve invested a lot
            less than our direct rivals.

          • Jezza

            The generally accepted figure for NUFC’s net summer spend as quoted by most reputable sources is £11.5 million.

          • Wor Lass

            There`s lies, damned lies, statistics then you, Clarko. #waltermitty.

          • Tony Mann

            Wor Lass, Clarko is NEVER wrong AND used the Chronicle as a source so it must be true!

          • HarryHype59

            Clarko claimed Rafa would have around £70m to spend in the summer! Despite his huffing and puffing he actually understands very little!

  • Anthony Barnes

    At the moment no one has exclusivity to conclude a deal with Mike Ashley that’s why Newcastle are talking to other interested parties simples

    • Guest 2

      Were you born under a Gooseberry bush?

    • TheFatController

      Do you also collect the price comparison website ads’ meerkat toys, as well as using their catchphrases ?

  • Paul Patterson

    A Mike Ashley/Keith Bishop PR rouse..

  • Anthony Barnes

    Bye Bye Amanda it’s been nice knowing you for a little while.Who knows we might meet you again in the future.

    • Mrkgw

      Yes, it allowed us to hope for better things for a short while at least. The stark reality is, we are stuck with Ashley and the tat shop.

  • Whitehurst

    This in theory might be a blessing in disguise….as it might make Staveley push a new and improved deal sooner than she anticipated. Don’t view this as bad news at the moment. Any new competition is not only healthy….but also a means to force any interest to force Ashley & 3rd party’s hand!! Keep the faith!! HWTL

  • Guest 2

    Load a’ [email protected] The leaks and this bollox are coming from Bishop & Barnes. Not a single squeak about the previous 4 NDA interested parties, now this nonsense. Seriously, who believes this garbage?

  • TheFatController

    I wonder if this lot are offering £380m ….?

  • Leicester Mag

    And so the soap opera continues. Once again we make the news for everything but what we achieve on the pitch. If Ashley remains in place there is no future and every fan will need to look themselves in the mirror come January. This cynical abuse has to stop

  • MichaelMaximusMoose

    I see Clarko`s had a system reboot,
    God help us
    😂😂😂

  • 1957

    I’ve no problem with there being more than one offer on the table for the club, it means more chances to get rid of our glorious owner.

    For all Ashley’s incompetence in many areas of the club, Benitez has been clear that he picked the players who have come into the club over the last 18 months (one good, some average, some astonishing poor) and Ashley isn’t responsible for Benitez choosing to play Hoss, SloMo and Manquillo in front of others. We don’t know if Mitrovic would have done better than Hoss, but I do know Mbemba performed better this season than Manquillo when he has had the chance.

    No doubt the usual underperformers will have “…trained really well…” and be given another chance. The club was rightly criticised for failing to make a change of manager when SMc was dragging the club down. Benitez in turn deserves to be criticised for sticking with some of his buys while not giving a chance to others.

    I’m tiring of the its everyone’s fault but St. Rafa stance, for once he needs to admit he is making mistakes.

    • MichaelMaximusMoose

      Fatty`s a snide, it`ll be a fake bid dreamt up by the bunch of Knaves that advise him

      • 1957

        Without doubt he will be trying to force Stavely’s hand and I’m sure his minions are behind some of the ‘leaks’.

        Another bid or two could help speed the process along though

    • Dillon Tovak

      Yeah, Mitrovic is what would help us out. It’s not like we were relegated when we played him week in week out.
      Indeed Rafa keeps choosing these poor players.
      It’s not like at other clubs where he seems to have improved the squad through his signings.
      Rafa you fool, you know nothing.

      • 1957

        I’m no great Mitrovic fan, but he did score 9 goals in a very poor team last time we were relegated and truthfully nobody can say if he would do better this season, he hasn’t had the starts this year prove or disprove his worth. I certainly think he would have scored more than Hoss if he had started the same number of games.

        What did Mbemba do wrong earlier in the season, he doesn’t follow Benitez instructions some say. Well if Manquillo gets his place for being able to translate the coaching staff’s instructions on the pitch there’s something going wrong during the week.

        Sometimes he has improved teams with his buys sometimes he has spent money on flops, one of the major criticism of him at Liverpool was him not bringing young players through and filling the squad with sub standard journeymen and cheap foreign players who barely featured.

        The point is he is not perfect or above criticism, as some would have it.

      • hetonmag

        Get lost you know nothing calling Rafa a fool.

      • Marveauxless

        Absolute non-argument: Andy Johnson, Di Canio, Defoe (twice), Charlie Austin, Juninho, Bellamy and Viduka have all been relegated. All of whom were prolific in the process.
        Mitrovic scored 9 goals in 34 games in a team that created around 40% fewer chances per game than the current side. He was more threatening in 21 minutes against Watford than Joselu has been in 11 games.
        And Benitez actually has a very poor record of signing players throughout his career, while there were of course some quality players the majority of his signings struggle to make an impact.

    • hetonmag

      Making mistakes according to who, the keyboard manager’s on this forum.

      • 1957

        You’re saying he hasn’t?.

        Some of his selections have been staggering, all I can assume is the view from the dugout makes players look better than they do from my perch in level 7. Hoss imo actually looks a worse player in real life than he does on tv

        Most of the ‘ keyboard managers’ on this forum seem to agree that having Hoss and SloMo in the team is a mistake, I assume you disagree.

        • hetonmag

          Unlike you I will back our manager whichever team he picks simply because he knows more than me or anyone else in the ground or watching on TV.

          • 1957

            He isn’t infallible, blind faith is dangerous. There were those who backed Pardew until the bitter end and even more disturbing those who still back Ashley. Would you apply your reasoning to those two

          • hetonmag

            With respect Rafa has forgotten more than the two you mention will ever know.

          • Mark Potter

            He’s forgotten that we are a newly promoted club, that needs to play canny to pick up points. You know, how we started the season, and how he almost avoided relegation? Joselu by his own admission is not even an average Prem forward, Gayle neither. You cannot start them together, and leave the defence so exposed. Backing the manager doesn’t mean he’s immune to criticism. His selection/formation on Saturday was awful.

          • hetonmag

            I will reply to you in the same way I replied to 1957 in my eyes he should be immune from criticism because without his stewardship we would still be scrambling about in the Championship, some fan’s have short memories.

          • Marveauxless

            That is an ad hominem fallacy; you are judging the argument not based on its own merits, but on the perceived value of the speaker. Winning the Championship deserves merit but not deification.
            Critical analysis is beneficial and drives improvement, if you are not responsible for your own shortcomings then why even strive for success in the first place?

          • Mark Potter

            No. Some fans know that two other managers achieved promotion last year with teams that had spent a fraction of the money spent on our squad. One of them (Hughton) had achieved promotion previously. Three other managers the season before that… No-one knows what would have happened with another manager. To pretend that Rafa, and Rafa alone, was the only person capable of achieving promotion defies logic.

            Some of his selections also defy logic. Last night was dreadful. The two players who did worse on Saturday – Joselu and Yedlin – kept their places. Five others were binned. Elliott??? Shelvey??? And still, the player who has scored the most goals since last May gets only 20 mins on the pitch. He has done more in his last two sub appearances than Joselu has in seven games. He actually wins and keeps hold of the ball when it is played up to him. WTF is Rafa seeing when he keeps picking Joselu?

          • hetonmag

            You like a lot more on here only see what you want to see Elliott beat on his near post for the second goal, his kicking is abysmal, and you don’t give any credit to Rafa for getting us promoted well the two teams that went down with us have both changed their manager’s so what does that tell you oh and by the way just have a look at the present championship table and see where two of the relegated teams are.

          • Marveauxless

            It’s possible to back the manager without thinking he walks on water. The world is in overwhelming agreement that Alex Ferguson made a mistake when he chose Cleverley and O’Shea over Pogba and Pique; agreeing with that does not mean you think Alex Ferguson was a bad manager or think that you have a greater understanding of football than he does.
            Steve McClaren knew far more about football than you ever could either, I’m sure you questioned his decisions.

          • hetonmag

            I beg to differ on the McClaren issue because I certainly wouldn’t have played Arron’s at LB against Chelsea that’s for sure.

          • Marveauxless

            And I wouldn’t have played Manquillo at LB against Watford that’s for sure.

  • Saul Williams

    If we could somehow get Ashley,Barnes,Charley in the same room,I could chuck the grenade in,then staveley would takeover,then I could follow the toon glory from my prison cell,it would be worth it!

    • Rich Lawson

      You might get to meet Nile Ranger as well !

      • Saul Williams

        Maybe not worth it then!!

  • 5floorshigh

    Rafa whinging about the spending power of Huddersfield, Brighton and Burnley……maybe its just a simple tactic of playing your best available players !

    • Mark Potter

      Fully agree. What happened to playing it tight, difficult to beat, nicking points? I know we are without a key member of the defence, but why start thinking that we could actually play open football? Time and again the defence were left exposed, and sometimes 2 or 3 against the CBs. That’s not Ashley’s fault. Rafa sent them out to play like that, he continues to pick Joselu, and Gayle is not much better. Unless they are causing a world of pain for opposition defences you cannot play with two centre forwards in the Premiership. You simply don’t get enough of the ball in midfield. And options to get the ball into the forwards are limited, forcing speculative over the top balls when neither them are any good in the air.

      I’m not a fan of Mitro, because of his disciplinary problems. But how come a cart horse like him actually got in behind the Watford defence and caused problems that two supposedly quicker players couldn’t? Drop em both, Rafa. And play the only member of the squad to score more than 2 goals since last May.

      Go back to 4-2-3-1. Get the wingers to protect the full backs. Get the number 10 closing down in midfield. This is no time to be trying to entertain, picking up points regularly is the name of the game.

      And stop whinging about transfer budgets. You spent £12m on Murphy, when he’s no better than Aarons. We needed a goal scorer. Even an “average” one would have been better than nowt. As soon as you fxxxed up with Abrahams, then that and that alone should have been your priority. And you should have sold Gayle. We all knew he couldn’t cut it in the Prem.

  • Peaky Magpie

    Im expecting the statement anytime now along the lines of “due to prospective buyers not meeting the value or clauses of the current owner the club has been withdrawn from sale at this time and for the foreseeable future and Mike Ashley will remain in ownership” !!! It’s coming I’ll tell you all BUT I hope I’m totally wrong.

    • 1957

      Never thought anything else…

      • Peaky Magpie

        I must admit I did have a faint glimmer of hope but that’s gone now like our PL status if Fatso is still around.

        • 1957

          For a brief instant so did I but then reality kicked in, Mike will be here for years

  • 5floorshigh

    Loving the quote re £40m for 20 goals, £15m for average and £10m to kick it forward………….he forgot to mention or £5m for Joselu

    • Peaky Magpie

      £5m too much,he’s not even worth a free.

  • Coble’s Return

    Someone commented on here a few weeks back when the speculation first started that we would know nothing but rumour, claim and counter claim, right up until the point that the deal is done and a new buyer is confirmed, or Ashley pulls the plug on the sale. Nothing has changed in that respect. PCP’s initial offer has been submitted and rejected. This was to be expected and unless the response from MASH was so discouraging as to force Staveley to rethink the whole project, it is reasonable to expect a revised offer.
    If a new prospector has genuinely come in – great, it at least gives us two chances to evict Ashley. Let’s be honest, we have all read up on Staveley and she comes across as being pretty astute, but we can not second guess where she or any other investor will take the club. My greatest fear is that Ashley will have no qualms about selling out to the highest bidder, regardless of their plans.

    • Peaky Magpie

      Good point,for every Man City & Chelsea there’s a Blackburn or Aston Villa.

      • Coble’s Return

        Blackburn – there’s a lesson for us all. Ashley has been bloody awful, but the Venky family’s neglect of that club is chilling.

        • Chris Jones

          Blackburn was bought for 20 million. The fact that Mike will only sell for over 300 million should protect us from chancers with just a few million to there name.

      • Oooh bobbi fleckman

        The asking price should put off the likes of a Venky, even as low as £300m, I can’t see too many folks with a few quid thinking they can run a football club on lemonade money. There are a few possibilities here, one is the leak that the original offer was very low and this has alerted a few interested parties looking to pick up at a bargain price, the leak is said to have come from PCP which seems a bit daft. It could be that there is no 2nd interested party and this is something leaked by MA’s side to spook PCP, equally unlikely as he doesn’t want to spook his main buyer.

        My ear is that the first bid was refused and PCP were told to come up with an acceptable position in principal to be able to continue their DD and keep the deal alive.

        That said, I doubt the new buyer will be a trophy asset player or anyone out of their depth.

        • Peaky Magpie

          I suspect you may be correct on all points.

    • TheFatController

      Agreed, however Staveley may have already made a revised offer, that something hasn’t been leaked doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened of course.

      • Coble’s Return

        That is entirely possible. Ashley is not obliged to offer any exclusivity unless he is convinced that an offer is near enough for him to start negotiating finer detail. It was reported that PCP leaked the fact that the first offer had been made in order to force Ashley into a response. It may now be that Ashley is trying to establish whether PCP will up the original offer, or the second offer if one has now been made.

  • maginyorkshire

    What do you get for £5 million then?

    • Leazes Ender

      A championship striker…… no tell a lie it wouldn’t buy a championship striker it would buy a poor Championship striker.

      • Oooh bobbi fleckman

        Leazes in “tell a lie” shocker

        • Martin Rooney

          Seriously, what was the point in signing this bloke at all, it just doesn’t make any sense, if the manager is of the opinion that a guy who can kick it forward is £10m+ then why waste £5m + agent fees and three years wages at £30K thats another £4.5m commited why not just save some cash and put it towards someone really decent in Jan or next summer.

          • HarryHype59

            Rafa should have prioritised a striker first and foremost! Would it have made any real difference if he hadn’t brought in Lejourne, Manky , Murphy and the Hoss for £29m? He could have signed a decent No 9 for that!

  • Leazes Ender

    Are we also making the presumption that all of our relegation rivals will not spend in order to survive?

  • Martin Rooney

    If staveley buys that club I’ll be stunned, she’s just not interested and not got the cash to do it herself. That means she represents a consortium and therefore a bunch of folks looking to make a quick buck they will have us in a worse state than Mike, whatever your opinion is. There’s not a super rich oil magnate behind her meaning that you whingers will remain at the fore spouting your tosh. Can’t believe anyone fell for Mike’s ploy. He’s put it out there for any super rich folk to come and get the club and put it where it belongs where the fans want it to be without a sponsor on the ground. But guess what there is nobody who wants to do that, no one wants to take it on the never never either. No one wants to buy £40m strikers for newcastle. Sad but true the rich folks would rather spend £450m on a s**^ty painting than on making a few whingy folk in Northeast england happy. We’re Stuck with Mike lads and lasses.

  • Leazes Ender

    Why didn’t Shearer on MOTD do an inquiry into Joselu? The team were very kind to this individual in not showing him falling over his own feet and scuffing the ball on numerous occasions. 4

    Was it to prolong the agony for United fans…,. if this had been Tottenham or Arsenal they would have had an inquest.

    • Mark Potter

      They couldn’t find enough footage of him being anywhere near the ball.