Tim Sherwood is just the latest annoying person this summer, who sadly you do find yourself agreeing with when it comes to Newcastle United this summer.

Looking at Mike Ashley hamstringing Rafa Benitez so far in the transfer market, Sherwood asks just ‘Who do Newcastle buy’ if the NUFC owner is not willing to accept the price you need to pay for players with any semblance of a track record in the Premier League?

Three months ago (see below) Newcastle were first linked with buying Andre Gray from Burnley.

Wednesday saw Watford complete his signing for £18.5m.

Many pundits rate Watford as one of the hot favourites to go down, so it doesn’t then take a genius to work out that Rafa is severely handicapped when not allowed (so far…) to get anywhere near spending that on a player.

Tim Sherwood says that the way things are going, Newcastle are taking far too high a risk on their return to the Premier League.

News on Wednesday night that Newcastle have supposedly agreed a loan deal for Chelsea’s Kenedy is no indication that the transfer policy at Newcastle is changing just yet – now just three weeks to go until the window closes.

Tim Sherwood speaking on Talksport:

“Who do Newcastle buy?

“The bar has been risen in the Premier League.

“I like the signing of Andre Gray at Watford. That’s a fantastic signing, you know what he can give you.

“If you are bringing in foreign players it’s always going to be a risk.

“Newcastle can’t take that risk next season. They can’t risk it.

“But with low risk players, comes high wages and high transfer fees.”

The Mag – 21 May 2017:

There are reports on Sunday morning that Newcastle are looking at Andre Gray.

The Burnley striker signed from Brentford for £6m in 2015 and with only one year left on his contract now, the striker has turned down the possibility of an extension to that three year deal.

Andre Gray turns 26 in June and has a very similar profile to Newcastle’s Dwight Gayle who is now 27.

Like Gayle, the Burnley striker has gone right through from non-league football to the Premier League, showing that you should never give up.

Released by Wolves as a kid, Andre Gray played for both Hinckley and Telford before scoring a load of goals for Luton in the National League.

Two seasons (2014/15 and 2015/16) in the Championship with Brentford and Burnley more than showed he could handle that step up, in 87 league starts he scored 42 goals and grabbed 14 assists.

His first taste of football in the top tier with Burnley has seen a decent year, in 25 starts (plus six from the bench) he has scored nine goals with also two assists.

When you take into account that he is playing for a team who rely on a resolute defence as the basis for their survival, his goal total is decent. Only the relegated clubs have scored less than Burnley’s 38 goals in 37 matches.

The Mirror claim that Burnley will sell as the forward won’t sign a new contract and that Tottenham are also interested in Gray, as well as Newcastle, but with Champions League football and money lying ahead (and to offer), you would imagine Spurs to be looking to shop at a higher level.

As for Newcastle, if there is any substance in the claimed interest, then you could see possibilities.

Maybe playing with Dwight Gayle, Newcastle could have two hard working strikers who would both get goals, as well as doing the dirty work as well.

In terms of it being a deal Newcastle could potentially pull off, you can also see it as achievable.

Newcastle are almost certainly going to have to take risks with any signings this summer, in terms of their age/lack of experience, maybe injury concerns, and so on.

With Andre Gray he is an ideal age but does have only these 25 starts in the Premier League so far, plus he doesn’t sound the brightest. Twice getting into trouble after posting stuff on Twitter and the FA getting involved.



  • TheNutJob

    PSG are close to signing Kylian Mbappe for a 180m euro`s. that`s transfermarkt shot to bits
    even Real Madrid can’t compete on those terms, when’s the madness going to end
    😂😂😂😂

    • Leazes Ender

      No …… that is the difference between Market value….. and the price of a buy out clause.

      What the heck are PSG doing?

      • Jimblag23

        Are they really adhering to FFP?

      • Oooh bobbi fleckman

        I think they may win Ligue 1.

  • TheNutJob

    i hear Jack`s up for sale & won`t be included in Newcastles 25 man squad

    • HarryHype59

      I doubt if he will go any where due to his wages.

      • Oooh bobbi fleckman

        So, we don’t pay enough wages, that’s why we can’t sign anyone and we pay too much in wages, that’s why we can’t sell anyone?

        Something is wrong there.

        • HarryHype59

          Under Ashley the club won’t pay top dollar for a quality player so instead buys cheaper i.e. rubbish players and over pays for them! It also puts them on a long term contract that no other team will match!. Simple really!

          This folly is known as the Riviere plan!.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Riviere is an east target, it also bought us some very good players.

          • HarryHype59

            The better players are flogged off quickly for profit. The profits are then spent on numerous flops who drain the wage bill and ultimately lead to relegation! I don’t think you have grasped the fact we went down in 2016 largely due to failed recruitment.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            In 2015/6, we spent a fortune

          • Geordiegiants

            Then went down!!!!!!!

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            That’s the point, spending does not = success

          • Geordiegiants

            The above comment isn’t about money.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            The suggestion was we bought cheap and got relegated, we actually spent big

          • Geordiegiants

            No he says failed recruitment.

        • Geordiegiants

          We pay to much wages to poor players, that is the problem.

      • Jezza

        I think a return to Sunderland either on loan or better still a free transfer would be beneficial to all parties.

        • HarryHype59

          In theory yes, but he is reputedly on £40k a week so I don’t think our Mackem chums can afford to match his wages.

  • Mel Ives

    If you had said Andre Gray was worth £18m 12 months ago you would have been laughed out of court – 12 months on, Watford have paid that for him yet he is no better a player than he was then – Perez at Arsenal for £13 – £14m must be a much better bet – Mr Sherwood a journeyman player at his best and a failed Manager – like so many so called experts just jumps on the bandwagon of our failure to hurl enormous sums of money to buy average players – I have watched most of the current Premiership teams and outside of the “top six” and possibly Everton who have spent a fortune (money doesn’t always buy success – look at us in our relegation year) I believe the current squad with the addition of an additional quality striker and under the guidance, for the first time in many years, a quality Manager is more than capable of competing with the rest – We may well surprise a few of the “Experts” this season

    • Leazes Ender

      Idiot

      • Oooh bobbi fleckman

        Your reply to anyone who talks about the real world and real facts & figures.

      • Mel Ives

        Now there’s an intelligent response – if your brain had more than one cell it would collapse from overactivity

    • HarryHype59

      Watford picked up £109m in TV money last season compared to Newcastle 41m parachute money. They have also spent 10m on a 20 year old rising star forward in addition to Gray. They have improved their survival hopes dramatically. It galls me to think that a club like Watford now have a higher transfer record than our club.

    • Jezza

      “Mr Sherwood a journeyman player at his best”

      Must be the only journeyman to captain a Premiership title winning side then.

      • GToon

        Exactly. He was a good player on his day.

        • Geordiegiants

          He was a very good player.

      • Mel Ives

        Captains are not always the best players – Blackburn won the league through the goals of Shearer and Sutton – and it was a one off look where Blackburn are now – and he has failed miserably in 2 management jobs

  • HarryHype59

    Come on now get real! You can’t expect us to compete with the likes of Watford. A club whose transfer record is higher than ours

    • TheFatController

      Tv money means attendances don’t make a more competitive club.

      We can’t compete with teams now simply because we’re not in london or Manchester – as Gary Neville I believe already said.

      We have some selling points, but thinking Watford should be less attractive than us isn’t reality any longer. Some players may prefer our set up, yes, others may prefer london. But Watford have virtually the same income as us per annum.

      • Jimblag23

        Pardew thinks attendances are very important, on the debate the other night the joke actually said Newcastle can’t compete with Arsenal, Everton and West Ham because of their “super stadiums”.
        1. Newcastles is still pretty big.
        2. It’s not like these stadiums are free gifts from god.
        3. Everton’s hasn’t even been built 😂😂

        He received money for that.

        • Leazes Ender

          West ham rent theirs

          • Jimblag23

            Exactly my point, I’m sure it’s not cheap.

          • Geordiegiants

            It is Jim, they only pay 2.7m a year believe it or not.

    • Scottpaige

      What for a player with a S**te goal scoring record.

      They can have him

    • Oooh bobbi fleckman

      Would you be happy if we blew the last of the budget, £18m on Andre Gray? I’d prefer Perez

      • Jezza

        You’re deliberately missing the point again. Watford’s manager is able to spend £18.5 million on one player, Rafa Benitez is not. NUFC under Ashley have got significantly less spending power than clubs like Watford. I never thought I’d see the day when something like this would happen.

        • Oooh bobbi fleckman

          Because of the tv deal and paying punters does not really come into it as long as you can keep the overheads under control. It’s not rocket science.

          So what do you want Ashley to do, lend more money? The club to borrow more?

          The alternative would be to have put ticket prices up, £10 across the board gets us £1/2m a game, £10m a season. Had he done that last season, you could argue we’d have enough spare.

          • Jezza

            I don’t want Ashley to lend the club any money I just want him to make the club’s transfer profits available for re-investing in new players.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            I think that’s exactly what’s he’s done.

          • Jezza

            The club made £40 million transfer profit last summer. At best the net spend this summer is a maximum of £18 million and there seems to be nothing left in the pot. What happened to the other £22 million and the £19 million for Cabaye and £35 million for Andy Carroll for that matter?

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Sorry to sound condescending but to claim a ‘profit’ on transfers in isolation is extremely naive. The club lost out on £100m in TV revenue and saw it’s wage bill remain at a similar level.

            IIRC, you have a record shop? If you’ve just sold a Bat out of Hell picture disk for £40 profit but all your other records have not sold well and you are down £100 on the previous period whilst rent, wages and rates stay the same, you would not feel that you were awash with money. If the guy who bought bat out of Hell also wanted to pay in instalments over 4 years and £10 was dependant on him playing the record in Europe, that would curtail your cash and profits a little?

          • GToon

            Why doesn’t the misery, financial strife, penny pinching, negative “jam tomorrow” attitude you seem to appreciate apply to any of the other clubs in this league? Perhaps one day in your dictionary of business bullxxxx you might get to the term “speculate to accumulate”. When you do let your mate Ashley know how it can be used in a footballing context because neither of you seem to have a clue.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Glyn, How much should he speculate? He’s speculated £260m back in 2007 which remained the same up to 2016. I think another £12m in the last year. If I were him, I’d be asking when the ‘accumulation’ period start?

            Other clubs in this league? the best of them is Southampton, they run a tight ship with some success and they happen to do it very well. Watford? basically a UK proving ground of 3rd party ownership but run things well. Palace? Stoke? West brom? a tight ship. Huddersfield? a bit left field but a tiht ship and a team of unknowns.

            Leicester, the one we all wanted to be, a bit of luck and putting a really good scout in charge of recruitment and they win the league. A bit of one off, especially as their influential scout has gone elsewhere. (what sort of business model is that, a scout in charge of recruitment?)

            So of the others:
            Bournemouth? lost millions. Chelsea? lost billions. Man City, lost billions. West Ham, were losing millions until they sold their stadium and moved into rented accommodation. Brighton? lost millions.

            Everton? Well, this may be NUFC fans’ perfect model. They have been run the same as us really up until last year. Then they managed to get foreign investment and sold Lukaku so splashing it about.

            That leaves 3 clubs that make money whilst being successful, Man yoo, Arsenal and Liverpool. All three are bigger than NUFC.

          • HarryHype59

            He speculated £260m but has failed to take the club forward. I wish he would sell it for £260m and never darken our doors again!

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            someone has to come up with at least £260m, market value is a little higher

          • Geordiegiants

            Did you get that from transfermarkt club values?

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            No, I used an advanced mathematical formula called adding up. You may. Get on to that in 2nd year 😂

          • Geordiegiants

            😂🤣😂🤣😂

          • GToon

            And when we are bottom of the league? When Rafa was appointed he tried but failed to save us. He then got us straight back up. He then expected funds to set the team up to be competitive, not just a team to survive but a team to compete (and by being in this league help Ashley accumulate). It is my opinion and I think it’s the opinion of other people too that Rafa has been misled. That is my point.
            With regard to Ashley and his money – he is worth a fortune. We seem to be struggling to meet the prices of players and yet he gambles a million and doesn’t care less. i could go on but I’ve had enough.

          • HarryHype59

            The club didn’t lose out on £100m. It received £41m parachute money 7m for winning the fizzy pop league and around 5m inTV and solidarity money from the Premier league. Ashley is £47m down.

            It is a huge sum and explains why Watford who picked up £109 million TV cash for finishing forth last, can outspend us.

            The 2015-16 relegation set the club back years financially, and is yet another example of this regimes incompetence. Well run clubs don’t get relegated twice in seven years. A third relegation is on the cards unless your hero advances Rafa £20m.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Norwich are a well run club.

            So, you disagree with Jezza, you think Mike should loan another £20m?

            I don’t think Rafa expected another £20m and the Statement put out from the club in May suggested Rafa can have what he generates on top of the normal profits.

          • HarryHype59

            It is glaringly obvious Rafa expected more than he has been given. He is rummaging around in the bargain basement bins getting loan players and linked with third choice Stoke strikers.

            If fat lad doesn’t advance him 20m to bring in 60m worth of new players over three years this club is going down again!

            This would virtually guarantee the club stays in the top tier and Ashley gets his pudgy mitts on £110m next season.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            We have £10 riding on the relegation.

            So you want him to increase the debt?

            Given we’ve spend £33m this window, you want to set the budget for the rest of this window, January then the whole of 18/19 & 19/20 season at £27m? Can I cut and paste that at the end of every transfer window?

            That £110m pays the overheads you know.

          • HarryHype59

            The TV money will be £110m if we survive in this league! Have you spotted the obvious implications of that figure?

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            It’s not glaringly obvious Rafa expected more, it’s pretty clear Rafa under estimated the increase in transfer fees.

          • HarryHype59

            Think about it! The TV money has increased by over a third. It was inevitable fees would rise as even smaller clubs like Watford have huge spending power. Did Ashley honestly think he could pocket an extra 33% in TV cash, yet still be paying the pre increase fees?

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            He’s not pocketed anything yet, the first tranche has come in and already gone in transfers

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            I know it wasn’t £100m and we may well see that wages were tightened up but my record shop analogy was going to get a bit messy if i said Jezza also sold a relatively common vinyl Pink Floyd album for £52 instead of getting £109 for a box set.

          • HarryHype59

            That record shop owner! Is he related to Charnley?

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            I think Jezza runs a record shop, hence the analogy.

          • Jezza

            The club wage bill did not remain the same, it would have been reduced dramatically with high earners like Wijnaldum, Janmaat and Sissoko off the books. Once again you are just making stuff up to back up your need to contradict everybody on this forum.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Until we see the 2016 and 2017 accounts, we’ll not know what happened to the wages, it’s possible that they were reduced (I allude to it for Harry Hype) but it’s not going to be by much as the sheer numbers we had on the books.

            I contradict ‘everybody’ because people on this forum because ‘everybody’ (it’s not everybody, there are a few who understand things) don’t bother reading figures etc.

          • HarryHype59

            Whose fault is it that past transfer policies have resulted in us having a bench full of “toxic” assets e.g. Haidera, who will cost us money to get him off the books?

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Haidera was injured early in his career, I happen to think he’d have gone far.

            That is not really the point

          • HarryHype59

            Haidara is not a one off is he? There are several players the club cannot move on as even if they are given away, due to long contracts and comparatively high wages. The club has hamstrung itself due to failures in recruitment! Toxic assets springs to mind!

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            We do, Curtis Good who looked at one point like a young Johnathon Woodgate, a real class act but also suffered an injury.

          • Jezza

            Your record shop analogy is completely flawed too. A record shop has got only one source of income: sales of records. NUFC have got multiple sources of income, player sales, ticket sales, stadium tours, merchandising, commercial activities, television money, shirt sponsoship and advertising revenue from corporate logos all over the stadium, well actually come to think of it, not the last one but the others are all valid.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            I was simplifying things for simple people. For football clubs, there are only a few significant income streams, the main one being the TV deal.

          • HarryHype59

            I want him to give the club an advance of twenty million and allow Rafa to buy 60m worth of players over three years. Ashley can pay himself back out of the TV money. This would greatly improve our survival chances. If we were to go down Ashley can sell these players like he did with Townsend and Wynaldum!.

            Every ones a winner!

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            That assumes an increasing market in perpetuity. I think it was you yourself who suggested the next TV deal will not be so lucrative on account of the blurring of markets. If the bubble bursts, selling on players will be impossible.

            To allow Rafa a budget of £60m a year, assuming wage inflation, my maths is saying MA will be lending £20m as well as £15m a year thereafter. That means he’ll continually have to fund the club without any repayment. Ashley himself will run out of money.

          • HarryHype59

            Its about TV deal income streams. No one said he needs sixty million year budget. Fat lad gives Rafa an advance of 20m to bring in 60m worth of talent 2 or 3 players max. We stay up and hey presto another £100m is guaranteed next year. Fatso can pay him self back out of the hundreds of millions of pounds in TV money he gets over the next two seasons.

            The alternative is to penny punch, Rafa leaves and Ashley achieves the third relegation in ten years. Our better players are sold off and we then then join Sunlun in the fizzy pop league for several seasons.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            If Ashley pays himself back from the £100m, that will leave £80m to pay all other costs AND buy more players.

            I think you will find that very few transfers are on the nose BTW.

          • HarryHype59

            Ashley used to favour buying the player outright which you stated gave us an advantage. The rising fees mean most clubs pay in installments like Spurs did with Sissoko.

            I want Ashley to ‘front’ money to Rafa so we can continue on the EPL gravy train. You say we can’t afford it, I say we can’t afford not to.

          • HarryHype59

            Nonsense , he will have match day receipts, season ticket money and numerous other income sources. Most importantly he gets the £110m TV dosh which covers the operating costs of the club.
            Relegation means he only gets 41m parachute money to cover the operating costs.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            Just a side issue, here’s a theory. Relegation is decided by the teams at the top that have accumulated too many players. They lend their best players to favoured minnows (say Palace) and hey presto, Minnows do well against their rivals and attain a loftyier position than normal.

          • HarryHype59

            Palace paid 32m for Benteke. That just may be one reason why they stayed up.

          • Geordiegiants

            They spent money on a striker, but I wouldn’t like to spend £32m on him. It does however show their intent.

          • Geordiegiants

            Don’t be so stupid man!

          • Geordiegiants

            Why couldn’t we compete before? It’s not new this.

          • Desree

            If we did a Leicester I guarantee come next september Rafa would have signed one player. The strategy has nothing to do about changes in the market and everything to do with flawed logic.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            If you win the league, it’s a struggle to improve that squad with recruitment, see Chelsea and Tottenham

          • Les

            Or we could charge Sports Direct 49% of advertising fees as Cashley only owns 51% of the company and the ground is plastered with free advertising currently.
            That extra revenue would help in getting a player in.

          • Oooh bobbi fleckman

            We’d either charge 100% or not at all. MA personally owns NUFC 100% and ‘only’ owns 55% of SD.

            MA does not charge any interest on his loans to NUFC, if he did so, the interest charges would exceed the perimeter advertising that we don’t take revenue for and the club would be worse off.

            It remains to be seen if there was a part owner of NUFC that MA’s loan would remain interest free. I think if fans bought in at £250m the fans investment would be part shares an part a loan to mirror MA’s investment.

        • HarryHype59

          That’s what Fleckman and the rest of the Ashley cheer leaders don’t get.

  • Steve Pearce

    That face – have you ever heard the expression “A Bulldog Chewing A Wasp”?

  • Jimblag23

    Danny Rose is a realist target.

    • Leazes Ender

      Have a look at his injury history, it’s frightening.

      • Jimblag23

        I was joking. He’s spat his dummy out over the wages Spurs pay him and the ambition of the club, he also has barely played since his last pay rise.

    • HarryHype59

      I think he is looking for a move to Man U, Citeeh or PSV.

  • MadMag83

    Come on, if Newcastle announced they’d signed Andre Gray for £18.5m there would be uproar amongst fans.

    • HarryHype59

      True but least Watford are showing ambition!

      • MadMag83

        Are they really though? Andre Gray is an average player, the kind of signing that would go under the radar if it wasn’t for the inflated fee.

  • Tim Boddy

    Does anyone give a flying monkey’s toss what Sherwood says?

    Nah. Me neither.

  • HenrySlade

    Tim Sherwood, welcome to the Mastermind chair, special subject – The Bleedin’ Obvious.