I’ll admit my surprise, recent history told me that all the big money player links this summer transfer window would come to nothing.

That a game of smoke and mirrors was being played, before more average and unheralded foreign ‘talent’ was drafted in, with the hope of shoring up the team enough to avoid relegation for another year and reap the TV contract money.

I’ll admit my surprise that we have signed a top quality international midfield player for a huge amount of money, and are seemingly on the verge of bringing in a much sought after hot prospect striker for a similar amount, I didn’t see this happening if I’m honest.

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If reports are to be believed, these two players will soon be joined by Chancel Mbemba and others are still being looked at, on the surface of things it looks like there has been a realisation which has brought forth a change of policy at the club. But I’m the kind of guy who always looks for the catch and where Mike Ashley is concerned there is always a catch.

It is worth mentioning again that the club had £34m in its accounts at the end of last season, it is also worth remembering that the club has just received a record payment for Premier League TV rights. Newcastle have not changed policy, they are simply (in purely financial outlay terms) doing what they have been capable of doing for quite some time, but has it really been done because the owner had a relegation scare and has seen the fans in revolt? I doubt it.

What do the signings of Wijnaldum and Mitrovic have in common? Well, they are both ambitious and, at first glance, exactly the kind of players the club should be bringing in, but what worries me is what motivates these signings.

The priority when bringing a player to a football club should surely be bringing in the right player to improve the first team for at least the duration of their contract, getting long-term value from your new asset. I don’t believe that this is the motivation with these signings, I firmly believe that these are players bought in with the sole aim of returning a large profit in the short-term.

Think about it, who is the surer bet of improving our goal scoring fortunes in the Premier League, Mitrovic or Austin?

The youngster from a weak European league or the English player with an 18 goal return from a single Premier League season? It’s clearly Austin, so why has Mitrovic been pursued so hard but QPR have not even had a bid from us for Austin?

Because the resale value of Austin in a couple of seasons time at the ripe old age of 28, would be well below the resale value of Mitrovic at 22. I’m not saying that Mitrovic is not going to work out well, I’m not saying that Austin is a better player, I’m not even saying that there is anything wrong with looking for a profit on your assets, what I am saying is that it should definitely not be the primary motivation in signing a player.

summer transfer window

Building a team, with spirit and trust, cannot be done when everyone knows that certain players are only calling in to visit on their way to Chelsea or Man City, it is a recipe for footballing mediocrity at best but ideal for financial success, just as everything has been geared towards under the stewardship of Mike Ashley.

I have seen people quoting examples of other players whose stay with Newcastle was only relatively short, in some attempt to justify this kind of signing, they have mentioned Robert, Bellamy, Ferdinand, Ginola and Hamman whilst conveniently ignoring Shearer, Solano, Speed, Lee and Given, all of whom could have moved on for much bigger wages and chances of winning trophies well before they did eventually depart.

All this demonstrates is that the team needs secure, long-term building blocks in the mould of Shearer and Speed, quality players who lead the club, the long-term building blocks cannot be characters such as Obertan, Tiote or even Coloccini. Stability is key, active discouragement of stability as a company policy is ridiculous.

As I wrote this I thought to myself ‘shouldn’t I be happy that the club is paying good money for good players?’ and yes, we should all be if the motivation was to improve the football club rather than the balance sheet.

Once again the issue is trust and after eight years of being lied to, I have no trust for anything the football club does.



  • ncncnc

    do you have crystal balls or something? mitrovic may well bang in 25 goals a season, meet a geordie lass and stay for 10 years.
    or he may not.
    instead of looking for negatives just for once be happy we appear to be buying quality – i know it goes against the grain for you, but give it a bash.
    on the austin front, no other club have met the valuation of QPR, there may well be reasons for this that us mere mortals don’t know.

  • geordie4567

    “Once again the issue is trust and after eight years of being lied to, I have no trust for anything the football club does.”

  • Davy_Craig

    I am absolutely sick to death of the continued negativity coming from the contributors to The Mag.  We are buying top quality players and are in for top quality players, quite obviously paying top dollar, with big personal deals fort he players themselves.  If we pay top money for these players and place them on long term contracts, then, yes, it should cost a lot to prize them away from us.  I can’t see that that is the reason for these signings and Mitrovic, for example, will have to be playing out of his skin, scoring tons of goals to be in a position to warrant any regular, money bags, Champions League teams covetting him.  

    Our new manager is reported to want to play possession football, with an attacking edge, whilst bringing in players to shore up the defence at the same time.  To me, McLaren is doing the right thing and the players themselves have been very positive about it.  

    That positivity, obviously, hasn’t filtered through to most of the contributors on here.  If Man City end up paying £80m, or whatever, for Mitrovic in two or three seasons, then so be it, that’s what happens, but I’m looking forward to seeing him scoring the goals that will bring him this acclaim, along with top performances from the other new players.  Hopefully, we will manage to build from now on and start playing decent football, with fans supporting the team.  

    I’m going to be positive and say that I’m already looking forward to going to the matches, this coming season, with my boys and they are extremely excited as well.  The doom mongerers will continue to pour scorn on the owner and anyone else, who doesn’t fit into their vision of what a perfect Newcastle United should be, but these people will always look for negatives rather than positives.  I, for one, try and concentrate on the latter and support the team, whatever may come.  

    Howay the lads

  • Davy_Craig

    geordie4567 What about trusting McLaren and the team he puts out?  The past is the past.  Gone.  Move on and see what happens instead of being negative from day one!

  • Davy_Craig

    ncncnc Well said!

  • ConnorTurnbull

    Davy_Craig The first sentence summed it up to a T, well said.

  • GToon

    For me the decision about if the tide has turned can only be made when the transfer window shuts and we haven’t tried to balance the books with the sale of Sissoko, Krul etc. Its the football that dictates our mood. We have all quite rightly complained to varying degrees over the past few years. Have we finally got through to his richness? Not sure yet. Let’s see. But certainly something has happened this summer and we do seem to be competing for better players for whatever reason. To be fair in the current climate any player can leave at any time. Just look at our bedsheet mates from in the midlands, near me. Delph and Benteke gone in an instant with the swish of cash and the promise of the best seat on the bench. Until we get back in the big time the reality is that NUFC and quite a lot of teams are just training their players up ready for Man City or Chelsea to buy. With all that’s gone on over the years I feel we just have to try and enjoy the moment rather than get bogged down with the big picture. At the moment i am enjoying the moment a bit more than I expected. I’m not too happy about the cricket though! I put the Aussie cricket team almost on par with the mackems and Liverpool.

  • geordie4567

    I’ve got nothing against McClaren and been impressed with him so far.
    The problem is I remember the last 2 seasons where we have been in a good position at Christmas only for the club shoot itself in the foot one way or another.
    The new signings (assuming Mitrovic completes) look very good but I just can’t let myself get carried away so quickly anymore.

  • GToon

    That’s ok, but you can’t blame people really can you. Sometimes these forums are a way to get stuff off your chest rather than look for agreement with keyboard mates.

  • GToon

    True. Bit like forgiving somebody who always lets you down but you always want to give them one more chance.

  • Hez

    To be fair everyone knows the club has cash to spend, fair play they are spending on what look like good footballers. As far as Austin goes its your opinion that he looks the better signing than Mitrovic and I’d prefer to believe the coaches and scouts at NUFC who believe different. I’m more than happy with the two signings so far, if they last 2 seasons and than move to bigger clubs well I’m afraid that’s football, it happens to the best clubs and it will happen with us. What’s important is that NUFC try to follow the situation at Spurs where they sell their best players for a premium price but put it straight back in the sqaud in the hope it will be stronger, granted they have wasted that cash though to some extent. Prefer thus than not spending anything at all!

  • Mark Sheehan

    Time will tell

  • NotFatFreddy

    Probably see us balance the books to some degree with the sale of Cisse and Sissoko maybe.

    Like to see Austin and also take a risk on Jordan Rhodes as cover.  73 in a 134 Championship games with a poor Blackburn side (87 in 148 with Huddersfield) proves he is consistent and doesn’t miss many games.  I can’t see why such a goal poacher can’t do it in a poor premiership if he has better players providing for him!

    Watch this space as he’ll end up at Boro score 25 this season and 20 in the premiership next year!

  • keeganRescueUs

    Stand by for grief from the mood hoovers, you have dared to criticise them!!! Well done by the way

  • RaySte

    We R DOOMED

  • wormongaisafilthymackem

    Davy_Craig geordie4567 

    I’ll stick with being cautious from Day 1. Trust is earned, and he’ll have the chance to earn it.

    But nothing else has changed, the same people are in charge so it isn’t in the past, it’s still happening. And these people have taught me, through their behaviour (words, and actions or lack thereof) to not trust a word that comes out of the club and to expect the worst. Where exactly do you think they’ve ‘Gone’?

  • v0ices

    Davy_Craig ncncnc He could marry greys monument if someone came in with a big enough offer Ashley would find a way to sell him. I think everyone is happy with the two players signed althogh I think we need at least 3 more its just Ashley and Charmley people dont trust.

  • Blackandwhiteblood

    Regardless of who we sign, some people’s hatred of Ashley has turned them into haters of the Toon. Imagine letting one man affect your life to that extent? I’m no fan of Ashley, but what I’ve noticed more than anything, is the selective memory of the doomers. Virtually everyone appears to have forgotten the last time the fat guy deemed to send us a message. It went something along the lines of his ‘five year plan’, in which he would stabalise  the club financially and then push the club forward. Remember that? About five years ago? I do, and I dislike what he’s done every bit as much as the biggest doomer. No question that he should have reminded us of it regularly, but that’s not how he works. He’s done the financial bit and now he’s stepped aside to let Macca and co get on with pushing the club forwards. I understand the reluctance to believe him, but it’s not him saying it anymore. Why would Macca say that he’s seen the finance and the plans and thought wow! He’s repeatedly said he wants us onside, so he’s not going to start his tenure off with lies. It would make his position untenable. For the conspiracy theorists – Ashley doesn’t own Macca. Grow up. He’s a wealthy man in his own right who won’t sell his soul ffs. We’ve waited long enough for this to happen, so just enjoy it. We’ll have a strong team this season for a change and I for one can’t wait to gain revenge on those mugs down the road. Don’t trust Ashley, but show Macca some respect and appreciate what he and the board are doing. Believe the evidence of your own eyes and remember – this is what we asked for. Time to move on.

  • BONESNUFC

    I cant understand why some supporters think Ashley is splashing out we have bought Two players and a third coming in dont forget were in 2015 these players only add up to about 35m and thats not much these days. up to now. We were lucky not to get relegated last season but lets face it we were like a championship team towards the end of the season and before you blame it on injury’s that is exactly why we need more players 
    We also need to get rid of a few collo gouffrn obertan tiote etc

    before anyone calls me negative i will still be cheering the toon on no matter how we play it just breaks my heart watching  the last game of the session thinking relegation is a possibility

  • v0ices

    Blackandwhiteblood 5 year plan was 8 years ago please explain how the club has pushed forward finacially debt has grown from some 70 million to 140 million commercial revenue has shrunk while competitors have grown by over 100% club assets have been moved to mash holdings I am not knocking you I just think in your desire to see the best you are only looking at the positives and forgetting everything else.  Yes we have made two useful looking signings and possibly a 3rd on the way but its not enough, yes we are going into the season with what may be the best managment setup since Sir Bobby. The club still needs 2CB (1 may be sorted) and more creativity wherever that comes from, I would suggest a wide player as we have a lot of tallent in the middle of the pitch but lack natural width outside of the full backs and Aarons who has to prove his fitness and resilience. Its one thing to see the positives but its another to forget the negatives Ashley has exploited the club excessively and the squad is still in need of rebuilding to help provide safety from relegation nevermind advancing up the table to a position chasing the top 5 which is where it should be. All this can be done without investment it just needs ashley to allow the club to spend the money it has been gifted by the huge TV revenue.

    If Ashley was to actually try and push the club forwards I would forgive him tomorrow and not say a word against him but the actual fact remains that he is still exploiting the club to promote SD to the detriment of the club and that although it appears this summers two current signings are of the level the club requires at least 3 more need to be brought into the window to five McClaren the tools he needs to work with.

  • Blackandwhiteblood

    v0ices Blackandwhiteblood it wasn’t eight yrs ago. Just don’t bother replying to me, because frankly, i have ZERO INTEREST in your boring negativity.you are a bit of a muppet mate. You clearly want us to fail – desperate for it. Are you a mackem by any chance? If not, you’ve allowed one man to completely [email protected] your head up, which makes you weak and slightly insane. We’re moving forward, whilst clowns like you get left behind with your twisted hatred of Ashley and all things Newcastle United. Probably never been to a game, or at best, came in with the other thousands who materialised when KK had us flying. You ain’t ‘voices’, you’re just hearing them in your tiny mind. You’re full of hate and seriously need that checking out. Don’t bother me again and I can guarantee I won’t bother you. Keep taking that medication.

  • NottsToon

    Reading these comments, it’s amazing how quickly some people forget, and how quickly heads are turned by a couple of new signings. Remember the recent history or be doomed by the same mistakes, your choice.

    Does anyone truly believe that these signings are entirely motivated by football reasons? Does anyone really believe that the owner deserves any form of credit for them? If so, please explain why?

    Explain why credit should be given for spending money generated through a TV deal, whilst club revenue is funnelled into MASH and Sports Direct.

    Too many people are eager to bury their heads in the sand and believe that cracks can be papered over, heads have been turned by 30 pieces of silver, and the silver didn’t even come from your generous benefactor.

  • alreet

    Dont agree with the differences between austin and mitrovic. I really like austin and the way he plays and would live him at this club he has proven to score goals at the top level. But so has mitrovic. At an even higher level in the champs league. Yea i agree that the belgian league aint all that but where did hazard. Kompany fellaini witsel. Lukaku and benteke come from.
    If we dont go for austin then we need to keep cisse get riviere out and promote armstrong even further. Cisse is proven to score at the most needy times and got 11 last season with injuries as well. Dont care bout his age he can still do it and for the initial 9 mil outlay hes been a steal so far.
    Come on charns dont stop now another 2 or 3 defenders and a stiker and we will be happy. And your season tickets might be snapped up along with shirts and names on the back.

  • 1957

    The question with Austin is why is there only us, Bournemouth, Leicester and West Ham interested. Is it solely the fact QPR are over pricing him with only one year on his contract or is there something else we don’t know. Top teams dont seem to want him, Chelsea preferred an expensive loan deal for Falcao and apparently even lowley Villa prefer Adebeyor. He obviously has some talent, but one season scoring in the PL doesn’t mean he will do it consistently, look at Cisse’s second season. We don’t know what Mitrovic will do but he has played and scored at the highest club level, the Champions Cup.
    While players are needed its important we don’t close off the first team to young players, so when or more likely if the deadwood leave (but who will take them) fill their spots with youngsters we’ll never know if they are any good without giving them a chance.

  • v0ices

    Blackandwhiteblood v0ices thats it make up your own story and resort to petty insults when someone trys to have a reasonable debate with you. Cnut.

  • radgiegadgie

    Charlie Austin is not clearly the better option.  Perhaps if he had a decent record spanning several seasons in the PL.

  • NottsToon

    Two words, Mateja Kezman.
    I’ll take a premier league goal scorer with a record over a potential foreign import every day.
    Austin has scored goals at every club and in a poor QPR side, he is the safer bet.

  • v0ices

    1957 Rumor has it Austin is off to Villa as soon as they complete the selling of Benteke so at least everyone will be able to stop talking about him then

  • radgiegadgie

    NottsToon not very strong case if you ask me – there are lots of foreign players that come good and lots that don’t.

  • Mal44

    Your point about clearing out the deadwood is a good one. It’s not easy to get rid of poorly performing players on big salaries. You often have to wait until their contract is up. This is one of the reasons why McClaren won’t be able to make all the changes he wants overnight. It’s going to take time to turn things round the way he wants.

  • NottsToon

    Which is exactly my point. Unknown vs proven.
    You can call it one season if you want but it was for a poor team and his record everywhere is excellent, in England.

  • RaySte

    NottsToon Suarez and Bony done OK

  • Mal44

    I think he is splashing out compared with his previous dealings. He seems to have finally realised that the squad needs serious investment and the club seem to be now looking in a different, more expensive, market than was previously the case. We won’t know the full extent of his dealings until the end of August but the signs so far are good though we would all like us to move a bit quicker, though this isn’t always possible. Hopefully also the new coaching team will improve last season’s players and the style of play. Glad you’re still cheering them on; you never know they might give us something to cheer about.

  • brent_dog

    NottsToon Grant Holt did alright for Norwich in their first season back in the prem and ultimately wound up being crap. And anyone remember when Michael Ricketts was on fire for one season and got an England cap before quickly descending into mediocrity?

    Austin may well turn out to be the real deal, but ultimately a decent one-season record in the Premiership is no more an indicator of quality than a decent scoring one in the Jupiler League over two seasons.

    More pertinent where Mitrovic is concerned are his goals in the Champions League, which hopefully indicate he’s more of a Dragan Stojkovic than a Savo Milosevic…

  • Duke Fame

    v0ices Blackandwhiteblood where do you get £70m to £140m?

  • v0ices

    Duke Fame v0ices Blackandwhiteblood My appologies i meant to type 130 million and the exact figures are of course 71 million and 129 million. Thank you for pointing out my error.

  • Duke Fame

    NottsToon you really shouldn’t mention the finances if you don’t understand. The £34m at 30 June 2014 disappeared (significantly it was even noted in the financials)  to pay for De Jong, Cabaella,, Colback (free is not free), Perez, Rivière, Janmaat, Darlow & Lascelles – stating that we have £34m is like you stating you have £60 on Giro day, you will not have that much after a few nights at the CIU. 

    It worries me your lack of football understanding, you state building blocks of Speed & Shearer, Shearer was divisive at NUFC, For good or bad, he forced out Gullit and Bobby Robson, he ensured Bellamy, Dyer and Robert left. Speed, great ambassador as he was but Ginola & Lee Clark were sold to finance him. 

    If you have no tust in what the football club does, should you just do something else?

  • Squintytoonarmy

    Agreed can’t see why a prem club is not in for Rhodes out and out goal scorer. Met a Huddy supporter on the train few years back after he had scored 4 away at Sheffield wed said he was the business inside the box. Must be something clubs not sure on but I’d take a gamble

  • Chemical Dave

    Licks Ashley’s hoop while sneering at shearer for being “divisive” ? Whey aye lad.

  • Chemical Dave

    That’s a proper hissy fit ^^^^

  • DownUnderMag

    Firstly, I think even the most optimistic fans was a little sceptical about Ashley following through on his end of season media PR exercise.  However, I think even he saw the desperate need to strengthen just to survive, and that another season of massive profit coupled with a low spend and a total struggle of a season was going to have a huge impact not only on his own long term profit margins but to the club itself.  Even though ticket sales make up a small % of the revenue, I think the struggle to get people to invest in the club was a wake up call.
    Having said that though, there is still a little bit of the old problems appearing, Mirtovic offers a greater profit chance than Austin at the risk of getting a still unproven player in terms of Premiership quality.  The fee isn’t the issue, it’s the wages – Austin would have demanded more and being older would perhaps not go up in value much more for resale.
    It also remains to be seen if there is a genuine concern for strengthening the club to try and win a cup and qualify for Europe, or if the spending is just a knee-jerk reaction to try and protect his investment.  Should we do well in the league with the new signings the real test then comes in January, do we stick with what we have, add players to further push on, or do we repeat past mistakes and accept a huge offer for a star player without any hope of replacing them…content to drift through to safety with fingers crossed we have enough points on the board by Xmas??
    Promising signs, BUT still a long way to go before fans start to truly believe again!

  • DownUnderMag

    NottsToon exactly, it’s a couple of great looking signings on paper, but if we repeat mistakes of selling other players in January without replacing them then we are no further forward.  In all honesty, we are still probably two or three players short of where we would need to be – it’s fine getting a goal scorer, but who’s going to create the chances?  Who’s going to take free-kicks/corners?  if we get any injuries in the back line is one defensive signing going to be enough (assuming we get Mbemba that is)?  Still a long way to go, pleased though I am I can just see things going a bit pear-shaped still..based on past events!

  • DownUnderMag

    BONESNUFC it’s better than paying 1m quid for the likes of Gouffran and hope they turn out to be a good player.  I think Ashley got too carried away with the likes of Debuchy and Cabaye not costing much and thought that would be how it works all the time…we are paying 12m up for players now but in the grand scheme when you look at other sides paying 25m+ for players we are still behind and hoping we are going to hit it lucky (although not as much of a gamble as previous windows it must be said).

  • NottsToon

    Wow, I don’t know where to start with the inaccuracies in that comment. They start with your first point and just keep flowing.
    I mean it really is just totally made up, were you high when you wrote it?

  • Whickham mag

    Completely agree, no matter what happens between now and the end of August most posters on here will still find something to moan about.

  • Dubaiexpat

    I will always be wary of Ashley’s motives and a leopard doesn’t change it’s spots overnight. 

    That said the first two signings (barring a spectacular u turn by Mitro) do give me some hope that there has been a shift in policy. We’re still in the hunt for Austin and should we pull that one off alongside Mbemba and I may start to think positively for the first time in a long time.

  • Duke Fame

    NottsToon Hmmm, clueless

  • Duke Fame

    Chemical Dave Have a read of Sir Bobby’s book, the last paragraphs in the post-nufc publishing dates.

  • Duke Fame

    NottsToon  “Explain why credit should be given for spending money generated through a TV deal, whilst club revenue is funnelled into MASH and Sports Direct.” is it? You may need to explain that, is it in secret accounts that nobody knows of? 

    As for a “generous benefactor”, we don’t have one, the club is set up like a proper business to generate it’s own investment funds, to me, that is a good thing.

    My theory, for what it’s worth is Ashley is turning the taps on for three reasons, i) relegation was very close last season 2) This window is the one to spend in, we have liquid cash, other clubs have jam tomorrow, we can click our fingers and pay in one go, others are reliant on TV instalments, this puts us at an advantage at the negotiation table 3) The Euro is in crisis, means that Mitrovic cost us £11.5m at an exchange rate I can get this very minute, this time last year it was £15m. It’s a good time to shop abroad.

  • NottsToon

    You certainly are, either that or just a liar.

  • Duke Fame

    NottsToon we did try to buy him from Swindon

  • NottsToon

    It is incredible to me just how many posters have come out of the woodwork this summer with their “look to the future” and “bury the hatchet” rhetoric. Where were you all last season as the club plummeted? Sat on your hands in St James’ “supporting the lads” with your deathly silence.
    A quick speech from the owner, a legally proven liar who exploits the lowest paid members of society, a single signing made with money gifted to the club through a TV deal and talk of other players who (let’s be honest here), none of us know anything about, and the happy clapper invasion begins. Their motivations have to be questioned when they suddenly appear en masse spouting the same party line, Mackems? Plants? Morons?
    I might be a stuck record here, but as we seem to have a sudden deluge of people who wish to conveniently ignore the history of Ashley’s stewardship, or justify by comparing it to the stewardship of previous owners (the logic being that being burgled isn’t so bad if you’ve already had most of your house burnt down), here we go again…
    The Case Against
    – Gave Allardyce free reign in transfer market then sacked him.
    – Appointed Keegan then wouldn’t let him manage.
    – Lied to Keegan, the supporters and journalists resulting in Keegan leaving.
    – Loses employment tribunal in which it was officially stated that he had “knowingly and willingly mislead his employees and the supporters of Newcastle United.
    – Claims supporters have threatened him and his family, and he is therefore selling the club.
    – Gets drunk and fails to attend meeting with Arab buyers.
    – Disbands singing section because of nasty songs.
    – Appoints Joe Kinnear.
    – Gets club relegated with a series of increasingly ridiculous decisions and management changes.
    – Publicly states that appointing Shearer was the best decision he has ever made.
    – Doesn’t ever speak to Shearer again.
    – Club gets promoted.
    – Sacks the manager who was well on course to completing his remit.
    – Replaces him with a bloke who was sacked by a League One side.
    – Sells the last Geordie number 9 without replacement.
    – Falls lucky with a bunch of players and Pardew not screwing around with the team too much (and we weren’t great for most of the season), finishes 5th.
    – Gives Pardew and his staff ludicrous 8 year contracts.
    – Re names the stadium.
    – Diverts all internal advertising to Sports Direct and other “chosen sponsors”.
    – Signs all club merchandising rights over to Sports Direct.
    – Moves club assets such as the name and the crest under the control of MASH holdings.
    – Commercial revenue shrinks by 80% whilst all rivals more than double.
    – Fails to strengthen the team, club plummets towards relegation once more.
    – Forced into making a few signings by the rapid demise (the club admitted this).
    – Sells Demba Ba and does not replace him (to this day).
    – Mediocre season.
    – Sells Cabaye without replacement.
    – Pardew leaves and fans blame each other due to “Pardew Out” site, despite Pardew leaving to manage his favourite team and getting a pay rise, plus actually being allowed to manage.
    – Carver and Stone aim the club straight for relegation, owner and board do nothing.
    – Pictures of club legends callously thrown in a skip.
    – Club avoids relegation on final day of season.
    – Club fires the bloke who saved them from relegation over the phone.
    – Club then fires bloke who made the phone call (to much applause).
    – Appoints manager recently sacked by Championship club.
    – Only allows new “head coach” to speak to “chosen media partners”.
    The Case For
    – Made a speech in which he promised….well……nothing other than he was sticking around.
    – Signs a player with money generated by TV contracts.
    Well, now I see it all in black and white I can see why we should all forgive and forget, Mike has clearly turned a corner and should be lauded for his success. Forgive the sarcastic tone, I’ll reserve my judgement on how far the corner has been turned for another oh……I don’t know……5 years, see if we’re in the Champions League by then eh lads?

  • Duke Fame

    NottsToon Now now, stop playing with your phone in class. You’ll not be allowed to bring toys in on Friday if you carry on.

  • Duke Fame

    v0ices Go on, explain, with the dates. You may need to look at the 2007 accounts, look in the Current liabilities: amounts due within one year & Current liabilities: amounts due after one year sections.

    Then explain, this should be good.

  • v0ices

    Duke Fame v0ices No do it yourself do you think I work for you? Those were the debt figures for 2007 and 2014 look it up.

  • Duke Fame

    v0ices Duke Fame You’ve not included all the creditors, picking and choosing.

    Also look at the total assets whilst you are at it. According to you, we were solvent when Mike Ashley took over, not from the figures I can see.

  • Duke Fame

    Whickham mag Unfortunately, they shout the loudest and why the rest of the country think we’re a bit stupid.

  • Hez

    Is this not a touch immature? We all know the history of Ashley, we are reminded of it everyday on this site. I don’t know about all of sudden being “Ashley apologists” and rushing out to buy a Wonga top but fans are allowed to be pleased when we begin to buy players and invest in the sqaud. I think some fans don’t want this to happen because they hate Ashley so much they would rather nothing changed so they can keep up with Ashley out etc etc. at the end of the day nobody has forgotten but they are allowed to be optimistic, it’s their football club. What would you prefer, no investment this summer or investment in the sqaud? Who knows what the future holds but two excellent signings this summer, great news for the club.

  • Hez

    Your articles and comments used to be good but now all you do is sling abuse because people debate with you and you don’t like it, very immature, people are allowed to have a different opinion to you, try basing your opinions as an adult it wIll give them more value

  • NottsToon

    Another suddenly appearing regular poster.
    I’m glad you used to enjoy my pieces, I couldn’t care less that you no longer do.
    My message and opinion is consistent, which is far more than can be said for others around here.
    If you don’t like it then don’t read it.

  • Hez

    Ha ha, whatever mate! I’ve been commenting on the site as an adult for ages, you are right about one thing your message is consistent!

  • v0ices

    Duke Fame v0ices please dont use the term technically insolvent again.

  • Hez

    Sorry not sure what happened there, meant to say that if you write articles be prepared for people to debate with you, it’s what the site is for, believe it or not not everything you believe is correct and not everyone in the world who has a view point is wrong if it doesn’t match yours. If you contribute main articles then debate the content in a mature fashion, we are all fans of NUFC

  • v0ices

    Hez I would like the commercial revenue that has been diverted for the last 8 years to be offset against the loan Ashley holds over the club, the club allowed to compete with other clubs commercially and any remaining money spent on 2 CB a LB and a creative midfielder preferably a winger. Will be as happy a clapper as anyone then and say Mike Ashley what a great owner NUFC are lucky to have him.

  • Hez

    Ashley is never going to the owner we want, the history of his ownership is littered with mistakes and appalling examples of mismanagement. I haven’t been to a match for four years and doubt I’ll be rushing back next season. However as a fan base do we back the new manager, coaching and what seems like investment in the sqaud or turn up in August with banners, websites and abuse linked to last season? I’m reserving my postivity as I’m untrustworthy of Ashley but he does what he says and invests in the playing sqaud and allows the manger to put a competitive team on the pitch then fair play, credit for now. It doesn’t have to be total hatred and total love

  • Chemical Dave

    Duke “shearer was divisive but I’ll not have a bad word said about Mr Ashley”. Whey aye.

  • Chemical Dave

    There’s nobody hates Ashley more than I do. However, lifes too short and he’s been here 8 years already and with no likelihood of that changing anytime soon, its easier for me to hope that he’d wake up one day and decide to change the way the club is run. These two new signings are completely different from punts we’ve seen pitch up in the past. Do I think people are entitled to be sceptical? Of course. But equally, let’s just see how things pan out. These are the type of players we should be signing, let’s just see how things pan out.

  • NottsToon

    There is a difference between debate and defending against liars who clearly have no clue about the subject.
    I’ll debate with anyone who has made the effort to have a valid argument and does not ignore history.

  • Duke Fame

    NottsToon History is fine but it ain’t going to determine how we do this season, the management structure and players will do that and as McClaren seems to be putting together a very good Spine into United, I for one am very pleased. 

    My first game this season is Sunday (see you there or do you do other things at the weekend) and I’m looking forward to it, then it will be Man Utd and assuming the centre half is sorted, I think we may well surprise them. 

    The problems with your take on history is you seem to make up half of it to fit your way of thinking.

  • Duke Fame

    NottsToon “If you don’t like it then don’t read it.” is all very well but I read a lot of opinions from politics, business, life & football that I don’t agree with, it help forming a balanced view. I think you’d be well-advised to do something similar and you may be able to take the blinkers off.

  • NottsToon

    Tell me exactly which bits are made up and how please?

  • Duke Fame

    v0ices Hez That’s quite a claim, what revenue has been diverted? Not saying you are a liar, just would like to know.

  • 1957

    I agree, I’m not an Ashley fan and along with others boycotted the last three games of the season. Why, well not because I expected him to leave, that’s not going to happen, even if we win something. He might put the club up for sale but it won’t be at a price anyone wil pay, another one to add to the case against, I suppose.
    No my boycott was in the hope something would change and at this point there are indications they might. New coaching staff and two signings of a much higher quality than usual, what most posters on here would have realistically wanted
    Based on these initial moves, I’m cautiously optimistic.

  • 1957

    An interesting list, prepared by an obviously angry young man, just a few comments
    Owners/boards often back managers in the transfer market and sack them. Not investing in players is something Ashley is now panned for and surely you don’t think Allardyce should have stayed, for me it is a plus he was sacked. This is a ‘case for’ in my view as is sacking the village idiot and Stoney.
    You’re right that the ridiculous statement that Shearer was the best decision he had ever made sits in the against column. Shearer was put in a role he wasn’t cut out for, a great player but that doesn’t convert to management I’m afraid.
    Carroll wanted to leave, he was seduced by the lure of a sky high wage and the club were given a fee that no one would have turned down.
    I could go on but since my, and others, direct action (three game boycott) and the shock of potential relegation have seemed to have had some effect I’m going to be calm and see how things pan out.

  • GToon

    I think ultimately people just do support the team and don’t care about finance and the running of the club. That comes into it when things go wrong and we look for reasons why. Last season we needed a decent centre half, a striker, a creative midfielder, a decent manager and decent coaching staff. We now have those in place, hence as another person put it “cautious optimism”. If you asked me what I thought of Ashley it would be the same as you. If you ask me what I think of our squad, I’d say going in the right direction and could be quite promising. If you ask me about the whole club I’d say I’m not sure and the next few years will tell. This is how things should have been when we got promoted back into the EPL rather than a few years down the line. But let’s see how it goes. History does suggest we are just waiting for the next disaster but maybe he has learnt this time. You can’t underestimate the negative publicity Ashley and the club got and the effect it has had.

  • Duke Fame

    GToon I think you are right, often football fans are like socialists, they want the world and they want someone else to pay for it. 

    I’ve always been interested in the finance, even from the McKeag days. The problem with ignoring the finance is that it eventually bites you as it did at the end of the FFS era and why we have Mike Ashley. 

    Ashley doesn;t like wasting money, he didn’t get the manager, defender etc in January because his calculated risk said to him that he could wait. Strictly speaking, he WAS proven right but only just!!!!!

  • RossYogiGraver

    You utter fool

  • ncncnc

    NottsToon
    hmm, you sure? the last time i offered a different opinion to yourself you just came out with insults.

  • BONESNUFC

    radgiegadgie Perhaps if he had a better record in the pl He would be worth alot more thats why Newcastle have to take a gamble on the players we bring in and 9/10 will come from abroad because of the fact they are not proven in the pl either 

    Mitrovic isnt going to be in the starting line up so austin is clearly the better option

  • v0ices

    Duke Fame v0ices Hez I may not have written that very welll I mean the income from the merchandising and revenue from advertising that has been lost in favour of SD.

  • Duke Fame

    v0ices Duke Fame Hez Well, the mechanising is a misnomer, we get more profit from merchandising before partly because we were paying FFS’s brother a hefty fee for renting a warehouse in order to dispatch & also we have access to the SD distribution network & economies of scale. So in terms of bottom line contribution, the SD arrangement is far better. 

    As for advertising, I agree that Sd & MA are two separate entities, something others have found difficult to understand. However, I see it as a substitute for not charging interest on the loan. Comparitively, it’s about £4m in value a year instead of paying a commercial rate on the loan, NUFC are better off. The reason for doing so is to keep the city investors in SD happy, investors do not like strong majority shareholders benefiting so avoiding a conflict of interest.

  • v0ices

    Duke Fame v0ices Hez sorry thats hilarious i hope you were laughing too while you typed it. i will write a full reply some other day as too bust today. please dont compare us to villa again. round and round in circles we go.

  • NottsToon

    brent_dog NottsToon Incase you missed it, we don’t play in the Champions league.

  • NottsToon

    RaySte NottsToon Andreas Andersson and Jon Dahl Tomasson….next !

  • brent_dog

    NottsToon The Champions League is universally considered to be the highest level of football in Europe, so not really sure what your point is here?

  • Duke Fame

    NottsToon  I did ask earlier, you’ve yet to answer: “Explain why credit should be given for spending money generated through a TV deal, whilst club revenue is funnelled into MASH and Sports Direct.” is it? You may need to explain that, is it in secret accounts that nobody knows of?

  • Duke Fame

    v0ices Duke Fame Hez You may have to, 1st say which bit is so funny.

  • v0ices

    Duke Fame v0ices Hez Well first off why do NUFc have to give awayat a conservative estimate  20 million in free advertising to SD (please do not start with your 4 million figure Bolton earned that sum from in ground advertising in 2011 the same year fulham netted 12 million from in ground advertising) secondly to say newcastle benefit from the SD merchandising relationship  is comical I wont even bother dignifying that with a reply. Perhaps in your world Ashley should recieve 20% interest on his loans to justify the free advertising gift to SD but in reality with current market conditions I would be impressed if he could earn much over 2 to 2.5% net from simply investing his 129 million in the bank.

    Of course the dissapearing commercial income  would have more than repaid his loan by now so perhaps Ashley should wipe it out and allow everyone to start with a clean sheet.

  • NottsToon

    Veron is my point. Great in the Champions League, crap in the Premier League.
    Totally different type of football.

  • NottsToon

    Duke Fame NottsToon Take a look at how the ownership of Newcastle United is divided up. Take a look at which parts of the club are owned by which Mike Ashley company and where the revenue from those companies goes. I’m not going to do it for you.

    Now, please answer my question from earlier about which bits of history I’m, apparently, making up.

  • Duke Fame

    RossYogiGraver I think you should give @GToon the chance of reply.

  • Duke Fame

    v0ices Where do you get £20m? I compare to Villa & Everton who’s stadium advertising is less than £4m. The Bolton figure you gave includes the stadium naming and shirt sponsorship. Can you send a link to Fulham’s, they have the advantage of being in London but that smacks of the previous own putting in sponsorship to boost the value. 

    The merchandising arrangement is spot on, i suspect you can;t offer a reply because you don’t have one. In one of the years before Ashley taking over, the merchandising didn’t even make a profit IIRC.

  • GToon

    My only interest in finance is when I think there is money available and the team needs it to be spent. I’m a socialist by the way!

  • v0ices

    GToon also a socialist but there is a reason nufc’s commercial income has shrunk in the last 8 years while everyone else has at least doubled and its not that mike ashley is no good at making money.

  • brent_dog

    NottsToon On that ridiculously parochial basis no clubs would ever sign any foreign players.

    Using you logic you’d be happy for us to miss out on someone who might be the next Luis Suarez, so long as we snap up last year’s Grant Holt.

  • NottsToon

    brent_dog NottsToon Shall we continue cherry picking names or concentrate on the two being discussed?

    None of us know which will score more goals next season, but who would your money be on out the pair of them and why please?

  • GToon

    Quite true.

  • brent_dog

    NottsToon That’s my point. We don’t know. Saying that Austin is more likely to do it because he’s done it for one season is ultimately as pointless as saying Mitrovic won’t because he’s played in the Belgian league.

  • NottsToon

    brent_dog NottsToon So, just so I know I’m understanding you correctly, you are saying that some evidence is the same as no evidence?

  • brent_dog

    NottsToon No, I’m saying the Prem is littered with one-hit domestic wonders who’ve done it for a season and no longer, whilst it’s equally full of foreign players who have done it abroad and then replicated that over here.

    If you want reasons why Mitrovic may well do better than Austin: younger, hungrier, international caps and goals, champions league goals, no less an authority than Jose Mourinho says he is destined for greatness, he doesn’t have a dodgy knee.

  • v0ices

    brent_dog NottsToon The prem is also littered with foreign players who never do it for one season for example check out newcastle united squad.

  • brent_dog

    v0ices brent_dog NottsToon *shrug* But then Cisse was our top scorer and Janmaat our best player. Without them we’d have been sunk.

  • v0ices

    brent_dog v0ices NottsToon indeed we would have which just goes to show you never know, personally I think Austin would have been the safer bet and better long term player but I think Mitrovic could be a cracking player Ashley gets to bank big bucks on.

  • Artie Fufkin

    v0ices GToon I believe much has been outsourced so the profit figure hits the accounts rather than the turnover and costs

  • v0ices

    Artie Fufkin v0ices GToon it would still show under commercial revenue I would expect.

  • Artie Fufkin

    v0ices Artie Fufkin GToon it does but not as the sales figure. Catering for instance has been outsourced so instead of the income figure saying 10,000 hotdogs at 3 quid being £30,000 and the cost of a server, sausages etc (say) £20,000 being in the costs, it will simply read £10,000 income, no cost. So turnover drops £20k but profit is unchanged.

  • v0ices

    Artie Fufkin v0ices GToon in its own that makes sense.