Newcastle United FOOTBALL Club.

The F in NUFC appears to have been forgotten by both owner and fans. Ashley runs it as a business, rather than a football club, prioritising performance on the financial front over performance on the football pitch.

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Every season, there comes a point when the fans reach boiling point following abject performances and lack of financial backing. The fans launch verbal attacks on the ownership of their club, plotting ways of forcing the owner to sell up, ranging from walking out of games, boycotting full matches, and cancelling season tickets.

I have never taken part in any of these ‘Ashley Out’ events, but do not judge those for protesting, providing they do not judge me for not protesting.

My reason for not protesting may be viewed as shameful and ‘part of the problem’ by some fans, but I just do not see Ashley selling the club, no matter how big the protests get. The ‘boycott Spurs’ movement inspired thousands to stay outside of St. James’ Park –  but did it change anything?

The fact that Ashley still owns the club tells you that the answer is no. The club has been up for sale before without any takers.

The one constant throughout the Ashley era, and every era, is that this is still a football club. I will always support the football club, but that does not mean I support the politics of the club.

As has been said before, ‘support the team, not the regime’.

On the final day of the season, the fans supported the team and gave every ounce of passion they had to help the club survive.

As Steve McClaren has said, there was no way Newcastle were going to lose that game with the amount of passion and energy from the fans and the players.

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St. James Park was electric, a feeling that has been lost in recent seasons. As soon as the game ended, the ‘Ashley out’ songs began and for a brief moment, the buoyancy turned to negativity.

Mike Ashley stated before that game that he would not leave until he wins a trophy or qualifies for the Champions League. We can protest as much as we like but this cut-throat business man is going nowhere.

Newcastle United Football Club. It is in the club’s name.

Fans should unite and get behind the football team, not hurl their displeasure at the boardroom. It may not be as easy as it sounds, but forget Ashley. He will continue to make money in spite.

We showed how much of an impact we can have as fans on the final day against West Ham. For 90 minutes, the fans got behind the eleven men on that pitch, and in turn, those eleven men gave everything they could for Newcastle United.

Support the players. Support the manager. Ignore the owner.

You can follow James on Twitter @jrutherford11 



  • Brownale69

    you support the owner ……….cant do anything about it. just keep turning up with 50k wonga shirts etc etc

  • Ollie Burtons Grandad

    Aye mate you just carry on giving the Fatman your dosh while he takes the piss.
    I bet you have never been on strike either; just watch other do it for you.
    Got this seasons Wonga shirt? Does it come with free lube?
    Utter Tool

  • toon tony

    So when something is happening to something you love you just sit back and let it happen…..or do you stand up and fight for your beliefs. As the country did with Hitler. This could be a long haul, but I want OUR club rid of this certain dictator.

  • desree

    If we get more signings of the calibre of wijnaldum, I will be keeping my gob shut, ashley will have done what he said and if the fans still protest, there is a real danger that we look like knobs.
    All I care about is a team that plays to win. It is inevitable that stars will be sold, but we must have replacements in place. maybe the penny has dropped for ashley. i haven’t seen ashley being this positive since ashleys first few months at the club.

  • desree

    Unbeleivable statement, no wonder the rest of the country think NUFC fans are morons.

  • Duke Fame

    Ollie Burtons Grandad A good analogy, strikes don’t work, never have and just make the outside world despise those taking action.

  • Ollie Burtons Grandad

    Some do and some don’t but sometimes you have no option; unless of course you are a sad paracite living off the actions of others.
    As for the Football, It sounds like you are happy with Fatmans running of our Club, either that or can’t be arsed to do anything about it. Either way a true Wongaman!
    All the Ashley Wongamen coming out of the woodwork after he has bought one player, magic eh. Tools and Muppets.

  • toonmad1956

    People like you are the reason Mike Ashley bought Newcastle United. Blind faith it’s called. Stick eleven monkeys in black and white shirts and some people will still put up with it. Where else in the UK would folk turn out to watch the crap we’ve been served up in recent years? Only one city I can think of … Glasgow. Ring any bells James?

  • Demented_Man

    Oh dear. Support the team not the regime.

    The millionth iteration.

  • fromtheheed

    I suppose the Jarrow march was a waste of time?

  • amacdee

    desree Truly ironic comment. Why do you suppose Fatman is “being this positive” ?

  • amacdee

    While I understand your sentiments James, I cannot help but wonder at your naivety.

    Do you genuinely believe Fatman would have come out with that charade on the final day of last season without the massive pressure put on him by the AshleyOut movement ? Do you seriously believe the Fat Pillock has had a conversion on the Road to Damascus (or in his case the casino) ?

  • wor monga

    Fair comment James…and all you’ll get for showing some level
    of support for the NUFC on this NUFC supporters site…is cyber abuse from the
    chronic whingers…

    …Ashley’s already gone on public record of his failures, and
    stated his intentions…something he doesn’t do lightly, and if that happens then
    the ‘campaign’ has achieved nothing (other than pissed of Pardew so much that
    he left for a better paying job)…

    …and if all goes well the team will be properly strengthened (at long
    last) and the ‘revolution’ will be history by the start of next season…

    …so then
    those whingers who want to boycott can just stay away, if they’re not happy and let those
    who want to support the football team, have the seat?

  • amacdee

    wor monga ”
    “and if that happens then
    the ‘campaign’ has achieved nothing (other than pissed of Pardew so much that
    he left for a better paying job)”
    I rest my case M’lud !

  • wor monga

    amacdee wor monga     Massive pressure from the “Ashley Out Movement”…gan on pull
    the other one.

    …The massive pressure was the sudden realisation his neglect had
    almost caused the club to drop out of the PL…along with the almost sure loss of
    Krul, Sissoko, Cisse, Ayoze, Janmaat, Tiote and others scrambling to get out,
    and then seeing the club trying to climb back up this time with only the
    residual overpaid deadwood, and any others who Carver could persuade to sign up…

    …That
    and the subsequent permanent loss of the TV money…is what forced his hand…anything
    else just didn’t come into it!!!

  • Ring around Uranus

    I will never be convinced of ‘New Dawn’ while the team shirts carry that logo.
    A Brewer,Bank,Bookie or Candlestick Maker but never a Loan Shark.

  • RaySte

    I’ve been put off any active support of the Ashley-out movement because of the way those involved turned against their fellow supporters*, especially those  whom wished to go the Spurs game. Most those in that group come across as condescending know-it-alls. That said I feel obliged to say I can’t stand Ashley or the way the clubs been run, before someone jumps down my neck and calls me a Wonga loving, Sports Direct shopping Quissling idiot.

    I was so proud with the boycott (there were defo less that 40k there, I don’t care what anyone says), it showed we had had enough, that we weren’t gonna keep taking it. That’s what it was about, it doesn’t make the boycott in vain because he’s still here. The boycott was the first time the fans showed unity with one another and organised something – the way you see the Scousers and the Mancs do when they’ve had enough.

    *Doesn’t it say something  that this article has more replies in under 3 hours than any articles on footballing matters (friendly results, signings, injuries) have in the last 24 hours?

  • wor monga

    amacdee        Massive pressure from the “Ashley Out Movement”…what massive
    pressure was that then?…sounds to me like you’re the naïve one…not him

  • wor monga

    fromtheheed      What’s the ‘Jarrow March’ got to do with strikes…that was men
    who desperately wanted to work…and had no work at a time when there was no
    social security to help them feed their families…are you saying that Ashley is causing
    extreme hunger for families in South Tyneside?

  • Whickham mag

    Having read the mag for a long time I felt compelled to comment for the first time. As far as I am aware we live in a democratic society where we have rights to have our own opinions and thoughts and to be able to put those thoughts out there without fear of abuse. It seems to me nobody is allowed to post a positive comment on this site anymore without torrents of abuse. Whether I choose to keep my season ticket or not doesn’t make me a moron or any kind of other names that get thrown at people for having a differing view on this site. I will continue to go to games because I am a “football supporter” and I support Newcastle United. I have my own views on Mike Ashley, Wonga etc. but they are only my views and I would not call anybody a moron or imbecile for having a different opinion. If you choose to boycott that is your right but it doesn’t make you right and me wrong. I would just like to see a little harmony on the site and let everybody have their opinion without the abuse and name calling.

  • wor monga

    Ring around Uranus      Good shirt…I like it, and Gini looks the business in his…I
    don’t care what’s written on it…I let others worry about that…too political for
    me…I just like football…NUFC style…fcuk the rest!!!

  • wor monga

    Whickham mag      Well said!!

  • Duke Fame

    Whickham mag Spot on, the Mag is “The Independent Voice” and as such, individuals should be allowed a voice without moronic comments. 

    The compartmentalisation where everyone who does not support the Ashley Out brigade is somehow in the employ of Mike Ashley is silly.

  • amacdee

    Whickham mag You’re right WM. Everyone has a right to air their opinion. However James’ article included the comment “The
    ‘boycott Spurs’ movement inspired thousands to stay outside of St.
    James’ Park –  but did it change anything?”
    I’m sorry but if you think sitting on your hands every season, taking the carp that Fatman gives you without uttering a single word of protest is the way forward then I’m afraid to say you are wrong.
    None of this “change” would have taken place if it hadnt been for the protests last season. Those who did manage to do something positive should be thanked by the rest of the faithful for having had the guts to do something about it !

  • Whickham mag

    There you go again telling me I am wrong. You do not know anything of my opinions on the whole regime or what I have or have not done in protest so please do not tell me I am wrong.

  • LeazesEnder

    Whickham mag Moron

  • amacdee

    What I do know is “If
    you choose to boycott that is your right but it doesn’t make you right
    and me wrong” that you werent a boycotter.
    Therefore my point about sitting on your hands every season is apposite and relevant. If you believe, as others seem to, that Fatman is only doing this now because he had a change of heart then, in my opinion, you and those who support that view are wrong.

  • Whickham mag

    I rest my case if that’s the limit of your thought process

  • LeazesEnder

    RaySte Yes it says the guy is a grade one prat….

  • Whickham mag

    Like I said in my first reply to you you no nothing of what I have or haven’t done in protest or my opinions

  • wor monga

    amacdee    Several fallacies are apparent on  here…1) nobody sits on their
    hands taking what the owner says as gospel…we’re there for the football, and we
    have the option of not renewing or staying away if not satisfied…and that’s
    what’s happening…

    ….2) the change had nothing to do with any protests…it was all
    down to the real threat of relegation, and the after effects of that happening…caused
    directly by himself gambling on the club being able to avoid that last January,
    without spending….

    …3) why should anyone thank those who took action…coming as it
    did at a time more likely to end up sending our demoralised team down into the
    Championship, which is what a lot of the so called protesters were saying they
    wanted to happen…so, no thanks, that’s not what I want for the club!!

  • Duke Fame

    Ollie Burtons Grandad I’ve never seen it work, if I think I’m worth more money or want a better role, I take my skills and move jobs. I’ve never seen the point of striking, it tends to re-enforce how dispensable people are (see miners, public services etc strikes)

    As for the football, in an ideal world, we’d have an owner who doesn’t mind taking losses in return for a  shiny pots but even that has a problem; Man C used to have an amazing youth set up with players coming through, that’s pretty much gone, yes the training complex is amazing but Micah Richards was the last to come through. I don’t agree with all Ashley has done but I do think most is at least understandable. I quite like the notion of bringing players though, buying younger stars and even if that means they eventually are sold, continually improving is a good thing in my opinion. 

    Where I will be vocal (and therefore a Mike Ashley apologist) is argue when ridiculous points / lies are being written and becoming the accepted truth. Not everything is wrong at NUFC and in some cases, people are literally making stuff up and then getting upset about it.

  • wor monga

    Whickham mag       That’s his limit…he just wants to provoke a reaction…and you’ve
    just made his day!!

  • Duke Fame

    Whickham mag I think LeazesEnder was just being funny in an ironic style, I rarely agree with him but I think it was just a gag.

  • wor monga

    Duke Fame Whickham mag LeazesEnder

    If he wants to make funny replies then why does he use
    offensive retorts like…moron…would you laugh at that? ..no!…I doubt very much
    that the person who made the original statement would have either!!

  • fromtheheed

    The reference to the March was that a group of people got together to protest. I was replying to a comment that said strikes and protests do no good. Ashley came good because of those 7000 who protested by not renewing their season tickects.

  • wor monga

    fromtheheed        7000 non renewals didn’t come into it…it’s all about TV
    money…make the top 10 of the PL, and you receive about the same rewards (or
    even more) that Barcelona did for winning the CL trophy…7000 tickets…FFS it
    didn’t even enter his thoughts!!!

  • Morpeth mag

    There were takers for the club, at the asking price, Ashley has never had any intention of selling, I also disagree with the boycott having no affect, but I do agree that the atmosphere on the last day of the season lifted the team, the thing is the author and quite a few thousand other fans will go no matter what, but if the situation in the running of the club and the arrogant attitude of the owner does not change, in my oppinion, we could lose a generation of supporters, teams like Man U, Man City, Chelsea, arsenal, etc are going to benifit from it,,,

  • Duke Fame

    fromtheheed It went down in folklore rather than did any good. Things really only improved shortly after as Germany had become a worry and the the UK needed ships again. 

    I’d say much the same here, real issues and failure has created a need to spend money & change the structure. The protests have just created ill-feeling between supporters and bemusement / amusment from opposing fans

  • Duke Fame

    Morpeth mag There were takers??? who? I thought there were no serious bidders, at least no one with the money.

  • paulwor1

    Some people just can’t accept that they might be wrong!

  • Morpeth mag

    There was an article I read, where it mentioned that there were two offers of the hundred million that ashley wanted, I have also been told, (it’s up to you to believe it or not,) that the sheiks who bought Man City originally had a meeting arranged with ashley and he didn’t turn up, I believe this, but like everything with the club, no one is ever sure, but if they said it didn’t happen, how could you believe them? They’ve been proven and admitted to being liars in court,,

  • 1957

    I think the events at the end of last season did change things. The “…I won’t be back until Ashley goes…” crew can stay away, they will have to because I couldn’t see Ashley moving on especially if we win anything. I’ll be there as I have been each year since 1967, if that makes me part of the problem in some people’s eyes so be it, this is my football team, it’s in my blood and most importantly it’s my choice.
    Things are really changing at the club, it started with the removal of Carver and co and the appointment of competent coaching staff who from their and players comments are moving away from a long ball quick break system to a pass and move tactic that will be much better suited to the likes of Perez.

  • Demented_Man

    If some of the comments on this thread are anything to go by, they are at least proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.  Are you reading, Fat Boy?

  • Duke Fame

    Morpeth mag Abu Dhabi United Group met with Llamo but they chose Man City because of the size of Manchester, Airport, ability to pomote Airline etc on the back of City as well as expansion possibilities. They wanted Liverpool first and the negative mark was the fact they couldn’t buy the stadium.

  • fireflyuk

    wor monga amacdee

    1) The evidence on this site would contradict that.

    2) I believe he made his speech because he was genuinely scared of the adverse fan reaction should we have lost and got relegated. If things have changed (jury’s still out) then that is completely down to fan pressure. Carver would still be in the job otherwise.

    3) The team were doing a great job at getting relegated without our help and you are naive to think otherwise, and we didn’t win the last game because the fans inspired the team, they won because they were playing for their skins against a team that didn’t fancy it. Don’t flatter yourself!

  • fireflyuk

    wor monga Ring around Uranus Easy going fella is Wor Monga, probably didn’t care when the changed the grounds name, too political for him.

  • RexN

    It’s always interesting to see views. It’s also interesting to see justifications for freeloading or, as some would put it, being a scab.

    Seeing the smug comment from 1957, it shames the North East that protesters may have given him the joy of seeing some decent players at SJP next season.

    With people like him around, some of the democratic rights espoused and championed by our ancestors would never have happened. The Jarrow March would never have made it South of Durham.

    On the other hand, perhaps he deserves congratulations for sitting on his backside, doing nothing and reaping the rewards of other people’s efforts, after all, Ashley got rich that way.

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    Oops sorry.

  • amacdee

    RexN Tsk tsk everyone has a right to turn up every other week and support their team Rex. However as history tells us its more likely the 1957’s of this world would have jumped ship by the time we were in the Championship. http://www.nufc.com/html/2009-10html/attends.html

  • 1957

    Sorry to disappoint you but I’m not a freeloader or a scab. Despite having paid for a season ticket I boycotted the last three home games so to try to see change I actually gave up something did you? Or perhaps you are one of the non attenders to whom a boycott was something someone else did. Now that’s freeloading. If you did have a season ticket and didnt go my apologies.
    As for your acolyte amacdee I’ve had a season ticket in division 1, that was before the Championship in case your wondering and after the last relegation. For once your history is wrong obviously you didn’t read my comment correctly

  • Morpeth mag

    Where is this information? Ive just googled and im unable to find what you have said, im not saying it isn’t true but I cant find it,, also if it is true? It still does not explain the two
    £ 100million offers that ashley didnt even look at?
    As i said in my opinion, he has never had any intention of selling NUFC, it is worth far to much to him, there is no other medium that he could get this kind of worldwide advertising for the price he paid for the club, I do not include the Interest free loan!!!

  • Morpeth mag

    Sorry ive just realised that by llama, you mean liambias SoAlso you said they met with lambias,, yes as I said ashley didn’t turn

  • Morpeth mag

    I’be just realised who you meant by Llamo, Ashley’s dogs body,, as I said ashley didn’t even bother to meet these people, they are serious people, they wanted NUFC, you have even admitted through your statement that they were interested in NUFC, he didn’t even turn up, these people can buy and sell him, it shows his total lack of class,,
    Why did you even question my foriginal statement if you knew that liambias had met with them,
    Up until now I had been open minded about yourself but your obviously an ashley supporter, who can see no wrong in him,,,

  • snodgrass2

    I think we should tell the Blackpool fans to stop protesting after all they’ve heard it from the horses mouth (Toon Fans) that it doesn’t ever work.

  • Duke Fame

    Morpeth mag Predictive text changed Lambo. I’d not get hung up on the fact Mike Ashley wasn’t there in person, neither were the Abu Dhabi United main men. 

    Also, i should re-state my post, the reason Liverpool didn’t happen was down to Gillette & Hicks not agreeing. 

    The only doubt they had over City was never being able to own the stadium. City was just a better bet for them than NUFC, cheaper and more fankly the owners needed to sell more. 

    Had Shepherd and Hall been able to keep the wolf from the door a little longer, there may have been an urgency to sell by the time ADU were sniffing. In short, why pay £3-400m to Mike Ashley when they could pick up City in a fire sale and City was a far better bet.

  • Duke Fame

    snodgrass2 Unlike ourselves, Blackpool fans have actually raised money from their pockets to put a proposal on the table.

  • Duke Fame

    RexN Utter nonsense to suggest protesters have given us the chance of seeing a decent side, it was happening in any case. You say Scab, I say someone who makes their own mind up and doesn’t wallow in self-pity.

  • GToon

    We have had Ashley giving his interview, SMc sending his letter out, emails from the club about what’s going on and more importantly the start of proper investment in the team. These things would not have happened without the protests, the banners and the boycotts.

  • Morpeth mag

    They had arranged to meet Mike ashley and he didn’t turn up, what’s not to get hung up about? If he had wanted to sell he would have turned into up.
    Also where is the £3- 4 hundred million coming from, your estimate? At the time newcastle were a far better bet than Man City, better. Players bigger stadium bigger crowds,,
    Also newcastle at one time was for sale for £100 million and apparently there were two bids come in of the asking amount,,

  • RexN

    1957 For what it’s worth, yes I gave up quality time with my kids on match days and have traveled up on a round trip of 175 to 600 miles to protest
     outside the ground without going in.

    Congratulations on your boycott. In your original comment you failed to mention it, just cast scorn on those who put up some sort of protest.

  • 1957

    Had no intention of belittling those who made some sort of protest, but I get niggled by those on this site who although they don’t attend, and wouldn’t believe in doing what you have even though they
    Iive on the doorstep, indulge in abuse of those who do attend.
    It took a lot of soul searching before I missed the three games, but I think the reduction in crowds over those games did focus minds at the club. I wouldn’t be critical of those who still attended, it’s a personal choice that has to be respected, if things change I am happy for them to benefit from my actions
    My other point poorly made was that if the club does well the stay away support will have to drop their AshleyOut principle or they will never get back. The biggest anomaly in his interview was he would sell if we won something…twaddle. Winning something means more exposure for SD and the brand becomes more lucrative to Ashley, almost all supporters would call a truce and a sale might be on the table but not at a price anyone would pay.

  • RexN

    1957 Fair play to you. It did come across differently and well done for admitting it.

    For my part, I am easily found on the internet as a “change or go” protester. Ashley has the same opportunity at rehabilitation as Joey Barton but he has a long way to go yet.

  • snodgrass2

    Duke Fame snodgrass2 John Hall tried to get us to raise money for the “Geordie Dream”. Like now we all sat on our hands and waited to see what would happen……..and our support driven by inertia…..did nothing. Some things don’t change.

  • Duke Fame

    Morpeth mag The £3-400m was based on the asking pice was upwards of £250m with the debt outstanding to MA being another £100m. 

    The Indian fella, Anil Ambani had been in touch but flounced when he saw how much wage cost was still in the club – possibly a good thing, I’d not have been proud of the crowd turning on an Indian guy if it were in the same manner as some have for a slightly portly chap from a close(ish) proximity to London. 

    Representatives of Abu Dhabi United Group met with Keith Harris who was appointed by MA, llambias was involved as was Dennis Wise in September 2008, MA himself met with representatives a little later but I don;t think they met face to face with Rashid Al-Maktoum. The reasoning was more down to Al-Maktoum that MA. 

    The real issue was that City had more upside, it was more marketable intentionally, bigger city, better connected, Etihad having slots at Ringway etc etc etc 

    As for Ashley putting an asking price of £100m, I’m not aware of that and I doubt he’d have seriously considered taking such a loss, perhaps he may have considered it on relegation in 2009.

  • Morpeth mag

    Where are getting this I formation from? You have changed from lllambias meeting them to now, Harris and Dennis wise, anyone who was serious about selling the club would not send Dennis wise,, so you are defeating your argument,, the thing that u have said is that the meeting was

  • Duke Fame

    snodgrass2 not everyone sat on their hands, I applied for those shares in 1991 but too few applied. Like now, many were prepared to sing “sack the board” but when it came to fans putting their money where their mouth is, often the most vocal sit on their hands.

  • Duke Fame

    Morpeth mag Most of my info is from Man City’s side but the £250m + is also claimed here: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/abu-dhabi-interest-in-newcastle-as-ashley-flies-out-for-talks-932034.html 

    The story is also backed up here; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/2971431/Mike-Ashley-in-talks-with-Dubai-investors-over-Newcastle-sale-Football.html 

    If you are saying the City owners did not buy us because Ashley never showed, you are wrong, his people met their people and why would they even care, if you buy a 2nd hand car from a garage, do you really ask to see the previous owner?

    Do you know who offered £100m in 2009? The reports I read suggested he didn’t receive a real offer. Barry Moat was supposed to have the cash to buy but couldn’t pay off the loans so I’m not sure how he thought he would finance the losses.

  • Morpeth mag

    I can’t get onto either of them inks you posted, maybe it is my internet, but you said 300 to 400 million,,not 250, so you have moved your price
    How do you know I’m wrong? Are you privy to the owners of man city’s business meetings?
    Also your analogy of a second hand car is ridiculous, we’re not talking about 3 or 4 grand, it’s a multi million pound deal,, ashley said he was going to be there, one of my relatives did business with these people for over 15 years and you cannot act like that with them, it is so disrespectful, they hold high esteem with manners, I reiterate he has never had any intention of selling us,,that is why he didn’t bother turning up for this meeting,,
    As for the offers, ashley put the club up for 100, two offers came in for the full amount and they did not even look at them,, I will repeat he has no intention and never have of selling the club, the FREE advertising has put him from, being worth 900 million to being worth 4 to 5 billion, whichever report you want to read, he has factories all over now, I drove past one just outside Innsbruck in April,,, I don’t know how many times I have to say it, he has never had any intention of selling, there is no other way he could have had his sports brand advertised for relatively so little,,,,

  • Duke Fame

    Morpeth mag I said it would cost ADUG £300 to £400m to have the club, that’s  £250m plus and paying off the debt which was over £100m at the time, that means ADUG were going to have to part with around £350m cash being between £300m & £400m.

    I’m not privy to the Manchester City owners’ meetings, I was, however, told by a couple of chaps who did know the inside dealings at the time who, knowing I’m an NUFC fan, told me how close / far away we were from being the ADUG’s project.

    I can’t say I’ve dealt with ADUG myself so I’ll take you at your word. I’ve dealt with other cultures and although much is made of ‘face’, I tend to find, having something that the buyer wants tends to be the most important issue in any deal. You also don’t seem to acknowledge that ADUG had sent their representatives so why would the representatives care if they dealt with Ashley or Ashley’s representatives? Although, contrary to your complaint, The independent’s  article says Ashley went to Abu Dhabi to meet the agents but I very much doubt it’s important either way. I very much doubt Thaksin Shinawatra went to Abu Dhabi to meet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Mansour given Thaksin’s circumstances of the time. 

    As for the £100m, I wasn’t aware of two offers, only the Barry Moat interest and I don’t think he could afford all that went with the club, time went on and as we got closer to promotion, understandably Ashley was less keen to walk away at a loss. 

    Now this is where you are getting daft, the advertising has not automatically catapulted his wealth from £900m to £5bn, if that were true, football stadium advertising would be a hell of a lot more money than it currently is. In the current market, the advertising would be worth about £4m a year which, given his ownership of SD and the loan he has in place with NUFC, means he’s charging a whopping 1.7% interest on his loan to NUFC. 

    As for having factories in Innsbruck, I think you are mistaken. Sports Direct are known for a lot of things but not really known for setting up factories in a high waged economy such as Austria. What you may have seen is one of the former Sports Eybl offices / stores (the European Intersport brand) that Sports Direct bought as a route to take on Decathalon. Much as we’d all like to claim the power of NUFC has been key to this expansion, I suspect that Sports Direct were along the right tacks a long time before Mike Ashley got involved with NUFC.

  • Morpeth mag

    The club was worth 150 plus what he had leant the club, 129, no where the 300/400 million you say,,
    I was also told that they were interested in us, so we have a stand off and as our owners have been proved as liars in court and thye you are saying that we wernt near a deal , I tend to think ashley didn’t want to said and as I have told you HE not his minions was supposed to be at work he meeting,, and HE didn’t turn up,

  • Morpeth mag

    (My internet went down I hadn’t finished)
    You keep sayin that YOU very much doubt,,, your oppinion,
    Alos you say you know two chaps from city,, what has t hat got to do with the dealings of our our club? Anything they say will naturally will take the city point of view,, I keep repeating, Ashley was supposed to turn up for a meeting and he DID NOT TURN UP,, therefore any deal that was about to happen, was going to fail as this was an insult,, and I reiterate, he has and has never had any intention of selling us,, as for your statement about what the buyer wants happens,, not when there is other options and in the UK there were several teams that could have been bought, we were a very valid option and th first one that they approached,,not city,,
    There were two offers of the asking price at the time of 100 million and ashley never looked at them, I don’t know who they ere off but there was an article I read about the goings on at newcastle, that mentioned this, I can’t remember what article as I read so much about us,,
    How am I getting daft? Where Else does SD advertise? It is very rare that a company or businessman goes from 900 to 4/5000 million in eight years without advertising, he is now worth more than Branson who advertises everywhere, and to borrow your phrase in ” my oppinion” it is in no short measure to the Free advertising he has been getting off us, which is seen everywhere around the world every week of the season,,
    As for your statement about me being mistaken about SD in austria, who’s being daft now? I know the difference between a factory and a shop, do we not have distribution centres in the UK? Therefore will they not have them in Autstria ? Of course they will,,,,

  • Duke Fame

    Morpeth mag  OK, we are close, you are saying it was worth over £150m and £129m of debt, well even at £150m you are at £279m, I’d say a wheeler dealer like Mike would fancy getting them up to £300m from £279m. The figure I quoted was confirmed in the Independent article but even if we say it’s between £279m and £400m it’s more than the £200m it took ADUG to buy City from Thaksin Shinawatra albeit without buying a Stadium. 

    I agree ADUG were interested in NUFC, the activity of Mike Ashley and his team around that time would suggest Ashley was willing to sell but he wanted his price for it. Ashley was also interested in selling to Anil Ambani before that.

    I’m simply saying that your insistence that Ashley did not turn up is very unlikely to be the issue that killed any deal. There are plenty reports suggesting you are in fact wrong in your assertion and he did meet with the ADUG representation.  The other point is that Sheikh Mansour himself wasn’t turning up at any meetings either so he’d have pretty hypocritical to be so affronted if Ashley only sent representation. Given that he bought off Thaksin Shinawatra, the personal relationship thing didn’t come into it with him so, again, why with Ashley?

    The City side of things is of interest as they confirm ADUG were interested in NUFC. The reasons they believed ADUG went for City was the geography of Manchester, the fact Their airline had a presence and growth potential at Ringway and although they didn’t own the stadium, there was more potential around the stadium for ADUG. You have to say, that’s been bourne out, City fans have accepted the Etihad name on the stadium, NUFC fans have moaned like mad at a name change, moaned like mad about perimeter advertising and the roof top advertising. City were able to build a huge complex around Eastlands, they would not have done at Newcastle, they have put another tier on the stadium in the summer break, the difficulties in doing that at St James are a civil engineering nightmare.

    The £100m price tag seems to have only been in place for a short while at the end of the relegation season, the only interest I can find was the one from Moat which I understood to have a few problems and then took so long NUFC were all but back in the premier league and Ashley had already shelled out the money to get us up so wasn’t so keen to offload by the time Moat had the finance lined up.

    Onto the “free” advertising and the growth of Sports Direct. They could advertise at other stadiums. To do so at Everton, it would cost them around £4m a year. Mike Ashley owns 55% of SD, so his benefit of “free” advertising is about £2.2m. It’s argued that his loan is not interest free because he gives SD free advertising, so he gets 2.2m /  £129m loan so equiv of 1.7pc, that is not Mike Ashley milking t NUFC, that is a lending rate below market value. That advertising alone has not pushed SD’s value up, if it were that easy, stadium advertising would be far more valuable than it is. SD’s value has gone up because they aggressively expand, have a good product, an amazing distribution system and offer a very good price on their gear. 

    I may be being pedantic on the Innsbruck “factory”, they may have a distribution centre there from when Sports Direct bought Sports Eybl / Intersport but it aint a factory. I’d not be surprised if they move it to the Czech Republic or Poland, his UK base is in Mansfield that as a former mining town was a good place for cheap labour and good transport links, Innsbruck is one of the wealthiest cities in Europe albeit very central.

  • Morpeth mag

    Can’t even be bothered to read your reply’ going round in circles, you are an ashley supporter no matter what, I have grown to see what he is, a money grabbing parasite,,

  • Duke Fame

    Morpeth mag Well, it’s good to keep an open mind. 

    I’m not an Ashley supporter but I can’t see the point in making up rubbish and then getting angry about it.

  • Morpeth mag

    I presume your talking about yourself making up rubbish,,, it takes a big man to admit that,, well said,,,

  • Duke Fame

    Morpeth mag I’d read it all back as I don’t think it’s me  who is listening to nonsense rumours.

  • Morpeth mag

    Chaps in Manchester,,,

  • Duke Fame

    Morpeth mag Te chaps in Manchester simply underline the facts. 

    You claim the deal fell through because Mike Ashey didn’t bother to tun up to meet Sheikh Mansour. The newspapers report he did tun up, Sheikh Monsour was never involved in negotiations with either us or City. The deal that took Sheikh Monsour to owning city did not involve a personal meeting with the then owner of city, Thaksin Shinawatra.

    Be realistic, your claim about Ashley’s no show is reported by the newspapers as wrong and was clearly not the reason that Monsour is at City not NUFC.

  • Morpeth mag

    Talk to your chaps in Manchester,,,