In the lead-up to tonight’s match at Anfield, and in the aftermath of another shocking derby defeat, John Carver has pointed the finger at Newcastle United’s overseas signings as a massive potential problem at St. James’ Park.

The Newcastle Head Coach says that when you sign players from France or from other countries outside the UK, you don’t know what you are getting in terms of personality/character.

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After the loss to Sunderland, Carver named five players who were beyond criticism; Williamson, Colback, Jonas, Ryan Taylor and Janmaat; three English, one Dutch and an Argentinian.

When you consider that Sissoko, Cabella, Riviere and Gouffran were all involved, it is pretty clear that the French honeymoon is over, at least for John Carver seemingly.

John Carver quoted in the Telegraph:

“You’ve got to try and do as much homework as you can and find out about their personality, because we’ve lost five derby games in a row. There’s something within the make-up within this group of players.

“And I say within their DNA, that when it comes to a derby game, there’s something not right. There’s something not right within their make-up. No matter how hard you try and no matter what you try and do, it’s an issue.

“It is very difficult sometimes because, if you’re dealing in the French market or the German market or the Spanish market, then it’s very difficult to find out a little bit about their personality, about how they are around the place. It is dead easy if you’re dealing with a British club.”

There is little doubt that problems have existed for some time in terms of the backbone and character of the squad, though it is a bit unfair to simply blame it on foreign/French.

The collapses we have seen in recent seasons and the current 3 wins in 18 matches run, come about from a weakness and poison throughout the whole way the club is run, lack of investment in the squad meaning there are risks taken on pretty much every signing.

Whether it is players with a history of injury problems (Marveaux, Ben Arfa, de Jong) or the lottery of expecting players to make the transition from weaker overseas leagues (Cabella, Riviere and pretty much every other signing Newcastle make…), you never quite know what you are going to get, as John Carver so eloquently points out.

However, his words would carry a bit more weight if he watched what he said at other times, especially in terms of remembering what he has said previously.

This is what John Carver said in the lead-up to the Sunderland match when asked about the number of foreign players at Newcastle:

“There’s a lot of people out there who say that because we have got so many foreign players, we don’t understand what it (the derby) means.

“But let me tell you. There are a lot of guys in that room and I think just about all of them have been involved in at least one – if not more. They do know what it means. I think it is an easy excuse to say you don’t know what a derby game means.”

Oh dear.

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  • mentalman

    What a good way to motivate your players for the remaining games of the season.
    I blame 2 people in particular for our performances on the pitch, Carver and colloccini.
    How can you expect players to play to the best of their ability when the theirs no leadership from the touchline or from your captain. Carver just stands there and barely says a word unless Stone whispers something in his ear and collo does nothing a captain should do.

  • Hughie

    The more he says, the more it illustrates the disarray at the club. How would I feel as one of Newcastle’s imports if my coach said this in public? He is probably correct in a sense, in that information on British players must be easier to come by than the relatively unknown imports we tend to sign. So is he referring to the current foreign players who failed to perform against the Mackems–Jonas, Janmaat, Krul and Perez excepted?– or Santon, Ben Arfa, Marveaux, Luuk de Jong, Ferreyre, and the list of “failures” goes on and on…….? If he has said it , he astonishingly appears to be condemning Ashley, Charnley, Irving, Graham Carr and the NUFC transfer policy per se. That probably signs his P45–excellent 
    Apart from the above, it was his tactic/set up of playing Colback at left back and Spiderman in central midfield with Perez up front , which was largely responsible for the inept performance. Playing players out of position needlessly reduced already low morale and confidence, and further fragmented an already disfunctional unit. Our best central midfield this season has been Colback, Sissoko (if he bothers!!) and Abeid. We await with baited breath for his brilliant masterstroke tonight, now that he has cast aspersions on our foreign players in public which will really boost them, won’t it—-idiot!!

  • KevinBrown11

    I see carver says players have a point to prove on Monday, were have we heard that from!! Plus he still thinks he’s the best option for head coach, unbelievable he’s so thick he just can’t grasp the idea that no one wants him here, he’s no Geordie in my eyes he is just a bum licker and a bad one at that,

  • DownUnderMag

    Just clutching at straws now is wor john.  As much as I wished him well and wanted to see him succeed, it’s becoming ever apparent he is well and truly out of his depth.  No tactical knowledge, no motivation and it would seem no recollection of anything he says in interviews between one interview and the next.  I feel sorry for him in a way as he clearly is struggling but has not been offered any assistance from the powers that be above him.

  • grahame49

    Well only the sunshine, moonlight and boogey to blame

  • Wallsendstu

    grahame49  You missed the fans. You can bet your bottom dollar if Spurs win it will be because of the unrest caused by those naughty people who are supposed to turn up, bow at the feet of the owner, kiss the tea boys butt and politely clap no matter what dross is served up in the name of football.

  • Sickandtiredstill

    Let’s not lose sight of the real problem here. Carver is just another symptom of Ashley’s ownership. He’s being used as much as Pardew was to attract the stick which Ashley and Charnley deserve.
    He’s dreadful at his job, without a shadow of a doubt. But the players we have and the way the Club is run is entirely Ashley’s fault.
    keep the focus here and don;t let him off the hook. Ashley out.

  • Consett Mag

    Carver has even less to play with than Pardew. No Cisse, no de Jong, no Aarons. Also Coloccini suspended. Little extra in the squad thanks to years of minimal investment.
    I’m not saying he’ll ever be up to it, but he is now the object of some pretty spiteful comments. Even the fact that he’s a local lad seems to be more reason to call him.
    I feel that as long as Ashley is running this club for profits first and last, whoever is manager will be paid to take blog abuse.
    If I was Carver, I’d resign, if only to be seen as getting one decision right.

  • Consett Mag

    Carver clearly can’t make a silk purse from a sow’s ear. He had the bottle to try but his inexperience is there for all to see.
    What has Charnley said about this to anyone?

  • Consett Mag

    Was it Carver’s fault that we’ve lost our top scorer to a 7 game ban? Or that we’ve a squad with no Premiership players in it?

  • Consett Mag

    Totally agree with your last comment. Carver has been given nothing to help.
    But the objective was never more than Premiership survival. He’ll achieve the only objective.

  • Sickandtiredstill

    Consett Mag How many games did De Jong and Aarons play for Pardew? Can’t use that as any form of excuse.
    I don’t think anyone has a need to be spiteful when Carver’s own comments are the ones that wind people up so much. He’s a dinosaur who is out of his depth by a country mile.
    Pardew took so much stick for the very same reason Carver is getting it – supporting a regime, which in football terms, is indefensible.
    But I agree that Carver is being hung out to dry, just as Pardew was, in Club communication terms. Penfold publicly stated (in the Chron propaganda ‘interview’) that would be addressed. True to form, he and Ashley remain hidden while every Geordie past and present connected with the Club are wheeled out as apologists and defenders of the ‘plan’.
    The Institute of Directors (IoD) has had another go at Ashley’s ‘style’ at SD, which rides roughshod over other shareholders and calls into question Corporate Governance. The man is a coward in the sense that he wheels out anyone else he can to answer questions to situations he is responsible for.
    It’s like a Cult of profit, to which no one can speak ill of the enlightened Leader.

  • Consett Mag

    Sickandtiredstill The players Carver is without now, particularly Cisse, were there for a number of games to give us that platform of points early in the season, and aren’t here to help now. And the selling of Santon even further limits the manager’s hand, though Carver hardly helped himself in his appraisal of why Santon left – can’t defend that.
    I don’t hold this player starvation as the only reason of why Carver’s side isn’t flying. He was always the cheap option, and there to see if could keep us in the premiership next season, as well as take the flak if results didn’t go well. The bottom line I’d guess is that Carver doesn’t resign, he’ll not be offered a contract beyond the summer. Ashley will be sweating about the TV money if our current plight isn’t properly tackled in the summer.

    I don’t want to suggest to the bloggers on here that Carver’s a good manager, but I saw a large number of just p*ss taking comments, and feel that this mess goes way higher than his door.

    My only solution for our present woes is a change of owner – but the “be careful what you wish for” still has a little concern attached.

  • Sickandtiredstill

    Consett Mag Anyone of us here could ‘achieve’ what Carver is going to with this side.  Unless the bottom three produce some miracles, we can’t go down. So, he could lose every match and it won’t have an impact on the end result (most likely).
    That is the entire reason he is in that seat.

  • mentalman

    The problem is though we have got premier league players in the squad, we’ve got french internationals Dutch internationals and a player who nearly made it in to the England team.
    If we sold of the entire squad this summer probably 90% of players would end up at other premier league teams

  • Sickandtiredstill

    Consett Mag Sickandtiredstill In all honesty, what could be worse than what we have now?
    Ashley’s ownership has had us relegated once already. Without some fortune on Pardew’s behalf earlier this season, we’d be right down there again.
    Those are the facts, no matter how hard it is for some to accept them.
    I for one wish for a whole lot more than Mike Ashley for those (and many more) reasons.

  • Consett Mag

    mentalman  Sorry, I meant no Premiership players beyond the first 11. The subs against Sunderland – the closest to a proven Premiership player out there was Anita or Obertan … The squad is desperately thin.

  • Consett Mag

    Sickandtiredstill QED – “bottom half is ok”
    Only a change of owner, to someone interested in aiming for competing, will offer hope. The problem is the ambition, which is the owner’s will.

  • Phildene

    @hughie-how very true and well said! Yes he’s condemning the whole regime spouting this lot. Those foreign players are expected to perform tonight in the knowledge they aren’t right for this place because of where they’re born-would you play your heart out knowing this? I doubt it very much.
    I think the fact the players aren’t playing well is a showcase of their feelings of how badly this club is being run. The players are totally fed up with the whole issue and are showing us through their play-I feel sorry for them, as it’s not nice being employed by hierarchy you don’t like-how many out there love their jobs and Management? Not many I bet.

  • tyneside tommo

    So what’s the new mantra folks? In Carr we no longer trust ….