Interested to see yesterday the article on here giving the estimated transfer values of the Newcastle United squad.

The figures from gave an overall value of £107.6m for the entire Newcastle United squad, I saw that article caused much debate, not surprisingly considering a few of the valuations on certain players.

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The problem of course with using a system based purely on stats is that it misses what the eye tells you, plus of course what you can’t replicate – fans who watch their team week in week out.

The Transfermrkt website base their valuations on stats such as; transfer fees, the age of players, length of contract remaining, number of games played and so on, to give the best possible estimate for each player.

So if a player is playing week in week out (Williamson, Gouffran etc), a stats system has no way of telling that they are useless/worthless.

I have done my own current valuations below, with those given by Transfermrkt in brackets:

£15m Moussa Sissoko (£13.2m)

£9m Tim Krul (£7.9m), Daryl Janmaat (£5.7m)

£7m Jack Colback (£5.3m), £7m Ayoze Perez (£4.8m)

£5m Papiss Cisse (£7.0m), Remy Cabella (£8.8m), Siem de Jong (£7.9m)

£4m Cheick Tiote (£7.0m), Fabricio Coloccini (£2.2m)

£3m Steven Taylor (£2.4m)

£2m Paul Dummett (£2.2m), Massadio Haidara (£1.8m), Rolando Aarons (£0.4m)

£1m Mehdi Abeid (£0.9m)

Nothing/Less than £1m: Yoan Gouffran (£6.2m), Emmanuel Riviere (£5.2m), Vurnon Anita (£3.5m), Mike Williamson (£2.2m), Jonas Gutierrez (£1.8m), Rob Elliot (£0.9m), Gabriel Obertan (£0.9m), Curtis Good (£0.4m), Sammy Ameobi (£0.4m), Jak Alnwick (£0.2m), Ryan Taylor (0.9m)

I think the above values are valid for our players, judged on what I have seen in the last few years.

Moussa Sissoko has his ups and downs but he is our only player that plays regular international football for one of the top countries and would undoubtedly be an asset if playing with better players every week.

In many cases, the value of players if brought down by the length of contract they have left, so for example Papiss Cisse will only have one year left in the summer – giving him a different value than if he had say three years remaining.

Age of course plays a big part but mainly it is form, so somebody like Cheick Tiote’s value is going down by the minute.

Another factor with many of our signings, especially where the only realistic destination is back to their home countries, is the wages players from abroad are on – making it pretty much impossible for clubs in countries such as Holland and France to take them, unless you more or less give them away.

I couldn’t see any other Premier League club entertaining the idea of taking on players such as Anita, Gouffran, Obertan and Riviere, so cut price returns to Holland/France the only option.

On the upside, I think if we could keep those eight players who I have rated at £5m or more, along with Coloccini, Haidara, Aarons and Dummett, then you have a starting point and a half decent squad, if there is the ambition in the summer to bring in 7 or 8 signings who would lift the bar.

The cash should undoubtedly be there with the profits from these past two seasons and even bigger riches ahead, the question as always though is whether the ambition is there?

If it isn’t then I think we could be heading for major problems, our squad isn’t good enough and is only heading one way.

  • Toonbadger

    Well out

  • peterharper

    Without causing offence and taking into account personal opinion, if you are basing your values on what you have seen over the past few years, then, in my opinion, what you see is completely alien to what I see.

  • Mal44

    As you indicate the stats don’t take into account what the eye sees and therefore aren’t necessarily a good measure. On the other hand they are based on some facts and don’t have any inherent bias. One of the things I notice is that some of your useless/worthless players get criticised by supporters even when they have a good game so I guess we are all biased to some extent. It’s all about opinions and we’d all come up with different figures.

  • Geordie Zebra

    Seems sensible to me and the values more realistic than the stat generated one over the weekend. FCB would sell his granny for pennies though so value to us will be derived differently to him…

  • lager_arm

    And I suppose John Martin is backed up by his extensive footballing cv to write this article ? Is he really a) a former coach at Benfica b) ex local league manager c) a know nothing Bell end
    that’s right folks it’s (c) all day

  • Jarra MIck

    John you are entitled to your opinion on the value of our players but where you’re delving into the realms of fantasy is suggesting that fatty might have some ambition for the club? How many times do you want him to kick you in the teeth before it sinks in, he has no ambition other than survival. To suggest that there is even the possibility that he might spend a bit of money is to torture yourself so unless you are a masochist I would forget it.

  • DownUnderMag

    Unfortunately there is a big difference in what the “market value” of a player is and what you can actually expect to receive for them.   A £4m rated player may go for £10m if they are in outstanding form, go to one of the rich-list clubs, are young enough to warrant “extra potential”, the club play hardball in selling while the other club are desperate or even just if you are selling to another English club.   They could also go for £2m if the club are looking to sell, the contract is low, the player has made comments about being unhappy or wanting a new challenge, hell the may even end up going out on loan if the club deem them surplus to requirements.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but speculating on what a squad is worth is pie in the sky given the myriad of factors that effect the final sale value of players these days.