This comes to you from a fan in the United States so pardon me if I don’t have my finger on the pulse of things going on around Newcastle.

Roger Bennett wrote and directed a half hour documentary that aired here through NBC Sports called ‘The Southampton Way’.

In it he interviewed their chairman about the success the academy has had in producing their own players through the years. In addition to the scouting the club does for young players he also said the club scouts for new managers and how the club is prepared to quickly bring in a manager that fits their style of play should the manager leave.

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I bring this up because of the Evening Chronicle’s interview with Lee Charnley a few weeks ago. He said the club, the hierarchy anyway, was unprepared for Alan Pardew’s departure. The club has John Carver as a stopgap until a new coach can be can be hired in the summer.

This is a preface to my question:

Is there a succession plan at Newcastle United should Graham Carr (pictured) lose his ability, suddenly or otherwise, to do his job on behalf of the club?

If the club is this unprepared to lose a manager, what will happen if it loses its chief scout?

I have never heard a name of another scout the club has looking for talent anywhere in the articles I have read.

If anyone out there has the answer(s) I would love to hear it/them.



  • geordieladdo

    to be fair you could also ask what is the point in having a chief scout if we are extremely reluctant to buy players ;-)

  • DownUnderMag

    For the manager situation, we will have to wait until the summer to finally judge them, if indeed the man they did want was tied into another contract then they could just be waiting until they can get them in the off-season.  That being said, it sums things up here entirely – don’t worry about short term success and pleasing the paying public, no it’s much better to put the seasons ambitions (what little may remain) on hold, save some money and get a replacement for FREE in the summer.  It’s short sighted and you don’t see many other clubs finding themselves in this boat, let alone deciding to stick with a manager who only has one win to their name since taking over the hot seat.

    But for me, the big problem is actually the youth setup.  As I have said time and time again on here, the rate at which we bring players through is simply not good enough, nor is the standard of the player coming through either. There isn’t a magical formula to create the next Ronaldo, Messi and Zidane out of thin air, however it shouldn’t be out of the reals of possibility to see a steady stream of players able to come in and do a half-way decent job in the first team.  The likes of Ramage, Caldwell and others in the past may not have been superstars, but they did a job.  They filled a squad place and gave a good account of themselves when they stepped in.   For me, the moment Beardsley took over the academy, the standard is just non-existent.  Good player – Yes!  Good coach?  I’ve yet to see anything to convince me!  Time for an overhaul of the whole setup and start to develop our own talent from within.

  • LeazesEnder

    The one thing that Ashley got right was the appointment of a chief scout and an apparent scouting system…. unfortunately it was there to be used to benefit his bank account and not the club, it is used simply to pick up bargain Bosmans!

  • Jarra MIck

    Laddo I don’t think fatty is reluctant to buy players it’s just he wants a bargain every time. The club would rather take a chance on a player who has been injured for a full season De Jong then spend a bit more on a less risky player. Sooner or later this whole buy cheap, fingers crossed, sell dear approach is going to bite them on the ars.

  • Sickandtiredstill

    What seems to be obvious here and in all of Ashley’s dealings is that he surrounds himself with people who he trusts to follow his directions. Largely that has gone spectacularly wrong at NUFC given the Wise, Jimenez, Kinnear fiasco’s when it comes to football related decisions.
    Now in Carr, Charnley, Carver (and Pardew) he has people toeing the party line. ‘This is who you will look for in the market and this is the job I want from you when they arrive and play’.
    Long term contracts would indicate there is no succession plan in place should anyone actually not want to continue with that charade (Like with Pardew, perhaps).
    No. Therefore I don’t believe any plan is in place should Carr decide to walk as well. It’s a three trick pony show.

  • Demented_Man

    The only ‘succession plan’ Ashley has is to make sure he is surrounded by his compliant cronies, so if one leaves there will always be another to take over the reins.
    The only appointee who actually stood up to him was Kevin Keegan.  That little slip-up not only cost him financially through the FA tribunal; it also exposed him for the liar and shyster that he is.
    He is determined not to make the same mistake again.

  • PaulNewsome

    LeazesEnder

    “The
    one thing that Ashley got right was the appointment of a chief scout
    and an apparent scouting system… ”
    It was Hughton who got Carr, Leazes Ender. I wasn’t aware that the idea of a club having its own chief scout was a new one anyway?

  • No Brainer

    I have never heard a name of another current scout that the football club known as SOUTHAMPTON has looking for talent anywhere in the articles I have read.
    If anyone out there has the answer(s) I would love to hear it/them.

    I have never heard a name of another current scout that the football club known as MANCHESTER CITY has looking for talent anywhere in the articles I have read.
    If anyone out there has the answer(s) I would love to hear it/them.

     I have never heard a name of another current scout that the football club known as LIVERPOOL has looking for talent anywhere in the articles I have read.
    If anyone out there has the answer(s) I would love to hear it/them.

     I have never heard a name of another current scout that the football club known as MANCHESTER UNITED has looking for talent anywhere in the articles I have read.
    If anyone out there has the answer(s) I would love to hear it/them.

  • toonterrier

    It doesn’t matter how good the young lads are that are brought into the club if the coaching staff aren’t up to standard then the players will not reach the level expected of them. It seems Carr now spends most of his time making decisions at the club when his prime job is recruiting future money making investments for the large one. Maybe they should make him manager as he must be better than Carver then the puppets puppet can go and help ruin Palace .

  • No Brainer

    LeazesEnder Cabella £12m? Cisse £11 Colo £10 and a hold load of dingbats from £4-8m

  • geordieladdo

    toonterrier Also – what’s the point, for us anyway, in having a succesful academy/coaching staff? All that will happen is they will come through, if they are then good enough they will leave for a bag of coins with Ashley’s address on it.
    sad enough as it is, i guess the WHAT’S THE POINT stands for all that is NUFC at the moment.
    Whats the point having good academy – will be sold on
    Whats the point having a good transfer team / scouting network – will be sold on for profit
    Whats the point in having a good manager – wont put up with the above points
    Whats the point in buying any club merchandise – money goes to Sports Direct
    Whats the point going to the match – our sum total of ambition is to stay in the EPL not to challenge..
    argh Whats the point???

  • SusanCommon

    No Brainer Boring  why don’t you do an article

  • Phildene

    He IS reluctant to buy players as it’ll costs him money, but when he finally does he goes for the cheapest foreign players they can find. I’m still surprised players want to come to this club considering the shamblolic way its run and the shocking coaching, but think they use nufc as a stepping stone and personally I don’t blame them.

  • SusanCommon

    Sickandtiredstill Exactly also if you read the paperwork attached to the club membership which is added onto season tickets all £30 per person is meant to got towards the academy and development, well i wonder what kind of a ploy or tax break that is if any? because we struggled to get top status then all this extra money is being pumped (ring fenced) into development but as far as i can see its a load of PR tripe.  also RIFC have a first class training complex and its development that they need now. it will be the key to there future and survival but a good chance they may end up selling it off and renting facilities to train on.  when you are involved with football often you come across people who know what they are doing and ashley may be classed as a great businessman but when it come to development he hasn’t got a clue

  • LeazesEnder

    PaulNewsome LeazesEnder Pretty certain it was a novel idea for us…Freddy Shepherd didn’t bother with a scouting system ….he waited for the scouts to off-load rubbish!

  • Sickandtiredstill

    SusanCommon Sickandtiredstill Yep. Curious that after 8 years we literally have Sammy and Dummet to show for the effort. Some posters even suggested Krul was a product, despite his 9 years at ADO! Or Aaarons, who we had to pay Bristol City 220k for.
    We look like having no better success with youngsters now than we have before. Home grown seems to mean just a production line for potential sales (or a Pozzo arrangement)  rather than potential stars for NUFC.

  • PaulNewsome

    LeazesEnder PaulNewsome Who scouted young players like Andy Carroll, Tim Krul, Fraser Forster etc before Ashley was here?

  • LeazesEnder

    PaulNewsome LeazesEnder Okay I’ll take it back…blimey….I give fatso one bit of credit in 8 years and its wrong….

  • Steve1221

    geordieladdo toonterrier is the point in Southampton having a youth academy then? They sell their players on quicker than we do yet their held up as a shining example

  • No Brainer

    SusanCommon No Brainer Susan, was the article any less?

  • No Brainer

    Sickandtiredstill SusanCommon There are not many 21 yrs old in the PL that would mean that any kids taken in by nufc within Ashley’s ownership span would have been 13 to be playing in the pl now for the toon. I would suggest this should be judged as his youth policy after he’s had the club 15 years. That way it can be argued that the youth policy is entirely down to the management under his stewardship. It is difficult to do that when someone is carrying someone else’s baggage which would be the simplest of defence.

  • Sickandtiredstill

    No Brainer Sickandtiredstill SusanCommon
    The question being – what, if any, form of succession plan is there if Carr walks or is no longer around?
    Unless you can suggest there is one and you know what it is, STFUp with the non stop Ashley defence.

    Are you just Dennis Wise incognito?
    http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/interview-newcastle-united-chief-scout-4407817

  • No Brainer

    Sickandtiredstill No Brainer SusanCommon So you extended the discussion, with the youth policy, then, were unable to understand why it is difficult to label blame solely in the direction you wish to point it. Ashley’s ownership wasn’t there when the current crop of youngsters were recruited. 

    Yours Dennis 
    InBenwell

  • Sickandtiredstill

    No Brainer Sickandtiredstill SusanCommon
    The point being, Dennis, no matter what area a discussion begins with or strays into, there you are defending the regime from every angle.
    That is what we all plainly understand.

  • No Brainer

    Sickandtiredstill No Brainer SusanCommon Oh dear, did you not read what I wrote. It is easy to point out the folly in the screaming shouting element when they base their argument on untruths.
    In this instance it is simple to bat away the youth argument as by using the FA’s own guidelines for the time it takes to develop a player, and linking how the club could do have done that under his tenure.

    For example, “Adam Campbell, gees Peter, Steve, Chris (who ever) where did you get him from he’ll never make it in the PL?,”  “Ah erm we’ll we took him on when he was 10 from Wallsend or some where”……. “right thats it I’m spending £4m developing the academy and training areas.” 

    That is not supporting Ashley it’s just exemplifying how naive the argument that’s just helping clear the water for you. Those that will succeed against Ashley need that, what they don’t need is screamers shouting rubbish which just gets in the way.

  • Sickandtiredstill

    No Brainer SusanCommon
    Try answering the two questions asked in the article, rather than only what you choose to.

  • Sickandtiredstill

    No Brainer Sickandtiredstill SusanCommon
    Once again, please give your answers to the two specific questions raised by the writer.
    Your involvement seems designed to draw posters away from the questions originally (and genuinely) asked.

  • No Brainer

    Sickandtiredstill No Brainer SusanCommon Its a discussion forum not a Q & A session

    For football see here

    //www.themag.co.uk/2015/02/remarkable-story-remy-cabella-alan-pardew/

  • Sickandtiredstill

    No Brainer Sickandtiredstill SusanCommon
    Discuss the points raised by the article wrtier then. That was my initial post.

  • Steve1221

    In the exact same way that no matter where the discussion begins there you are criticising from every angle?

  • Sickandtiredstill

    Steve1221 You are welcome to your opinion in that regard. I’m not going to start calling you a liar or that you’re telling untruths over it. 
    My original answer (and the first post) was to the article which was written. 
    Do you feel the regime has a Plan B if Carr gets hit by a truck tomorrow?

  • SusanCommon

    Sickandtiredstill No Brainer SusanCommon my boring comment refers to no brainer doing almost 4 identical paragraphs

  • SusanCommon

    Sickandtiredstill No Brainer SusanCommon sorry sickandtired for getting involved in comments  as often find comments always pro club and its frustrating.  you are right about answering the question tho.

  • SusanCommon

    Hej, Hanson, you pose some great questions & make some good points. Look i am no expert but can only speak form my experience. Boyhood fan Bale has obviously been nurtured from the age of 10. interesting that he is a cardiff lad which is relevant to soton success story in this case which surely must have been difficult considering the miles. well done soton. a guess (correct me if i am wrong) he was orig a defender who would attack but now he is one of the best goalscorers in the world. is this a reflection on the coaching set up/plan/philosophy at soton? i guess it could be. as far as nufc are concerned in my opinion our priority should be to try & develop local youths for many reasons such as beneficial for club/less work involved/ giving something back/fans love local players but of course. of course scouting is an important part of bringing in young talent to an academy and develop it but its only one part not all and no club should be reliant on one person such as G Carr at that level as all other scouts are probably at grassroots level and get paid pennies if anything. part of the answer is coaches are more important possibly than scouts especasilly for local taken as nufc coaches should be linking up with all local clubs and ”coaching the coaches” sharing there knowledge and improving relationships and subsequently getting in their  first and jointly with clubs look after you ng kids for when they are ready to step up and into nufc from there local club at wallsend, willington, ashington, walker central etc etc ask yourself where did nufc go wrong with alan shearer? not enough staff invested into nufc at the time in this particular dept of the club? as far as managers are concerned yes certain clubs known for decades with an attacking style of football should plan ahead . also as we seen at some top levels of top academies in europe that a coach should only stay with a team for maximum 2 years and we even see this at places like real madrid so having this Hanson following on plan is handy to have such as bringing thru future managers into a system such as liverpool did in the 80s and 90s with fagin and paisley. anyway, nufc by employing pardew bought into a negative philosophy and you know as a toon fan that ball goes over the half way line and half the crowd at sip are on there feet or roaring the winger on into space – thats the toon way.fact is nufc are miles behind hundreds of clubs in development and as above its a shame we have no football director and only one head scout making all the decisions when at every other club communication and working together is the key to success. no one person can do it all by himself. i was once watching ajax u18s v psv u18s and the cow man (koeman) was along standing nearby watching the likes of daley blind and others and checking on the young talent for the future. it takes time is what i am trying to say. PSV for example have a plan (in there academy which costs £4m per year) and i had the presentations and everything i seen and heard was very impressive and its about time we looked at other clubs abroad and brought some ideas back and invested some money and took this development thing seriously (even invest the club membership money so fans think they are contributing). doing everything on the cheap is NEVER going to work.

  • Big Kevsy
  • geordieladdo

    Steve1221 geordieladdo toonterrier The point in southampton i guess is that they reinvest the money on good up and coming players. They went for a manager/coach of good calibre who has done a great job of getting the best out of said players. They attack the league and cups as if they somehow want to win them…..
    nah you’re right bad example………