Over in Holland, PSV’s Technical Director of football, Marcel Brands, has described the Newcastle transfer of Vurnon Anita from Ajax as ‘miraculous’.

However, his use of the word ‘miraculous’ is for all the wrong reasons as far as United are concerned.

newcastle transferTalking about increased interest in average Dutch players, Brands picked Vurnon Anita out as a prime example of a player who he can’t believe got a move to the Premier League.

The PSV man says he would never have considered the Newcastle midfielder even for a move to his club, never mind the steep jump in class to what is needed in England.

Marcel Brands says that Vurnon Anita will ‘never be a star player’ but points out that he is still at St. James’ Park.

Little wonder when he was given a huge five year contract in 2012 on Premier League wages.

Speaking to Algemeen Dagblad in Holland, Marcel Brands;

“The average agent is showing more interest in (Dutch) players and not just the top ones who everybody wants.

“Even a player like Vurnon Anita can play in the Premier League…Anita I think is one of the most miraculous transfers.”

Will never be a star player;

“Let’s be honest, at Ajax he was almost a substitute and would never be on our shortlist at PSV.

“He will never be a star player at Newcastle but he’s still there.”

For Newcastle fans, Vurnon Anita’s credibility as a player rested on three things.

The fact he was from the ‘Ajax conveyor belt of talent’, he was a Dutch international (started one game in 2010) and that Graham Carr supposedly proposed his transfer.

Hard to believe that United supposedly paid almost £7m for this player on Carr’s recommendation, when at the same time he then identifies talent/transfers such as Ayoze Perez and Moussa Sissoko.

It is one of the unspoken rules amongst United fans that we aren’t allowed to talk about the poor signings that have also come in while Graham Carr has been involved, such as Anita, Gouffran, Ferreyra, Mapou, Riviere, Ben Arfa, Luuk De Jong, Best and others.

  • kev1664

    Out of those you mentioned gouffran and Ben arfa are the only players to get their chance under pardew. Gouffran was only meant to be a squad player and had almost 2 years of fairly decent performances.
    Best done well for the club also, but was he even brought in by Carr?
    Pardew thought if he left the players out that Carr brought in, he would get more say in the transfer dealings.
    It’s shown in the weight they have put behind the ‘head coach’ position. That they trust in the director of football philosophy, which if executed right, means that when a head coach leaves the full squad does not need replacing at the request of a new manager. It’s about continuity.
    A good head coach will be able to mould players into a style that fits the team, not all will work out, but under pardew you only have to look as far back to Tevez and mascherano to show how he couldn’t mould players (world class ones at that) to fit his one dimensional style.
    Mbiwa has shown at roma just how good he is by being first choice for almost the full time he has been there.
    Look at abeid, he went to Greece and proved how good he was, pardew wanted to get rid in the summer for £1.5 million. Yet his performances, when given a chance through injury this season, have shown that he’s a much better player than tiote and he could be a mainstay of the midfield for years to come.

  • vbhgft

    kev1664 Best was rubbish. He was bought by Chris Hughton, as was Mike Williamson.

    Mbiwa was dreadful for us. Yes he blocked a couple of shots at Tottenham but that’s it. For every game like that there was an Everton away. He was, by his own admittance, unsuited to the Premier League and better suited to the French and Italian leagues.

    As for Pardew. Tevez and Mascherano again. YAWWWWN. He got the best out of Ba, Cabaye, Debuchy, did he not? He also got the best out of Ben Arfa until the latter self-desstructed. As for Abeid. Pardew saw his improvement and picked him, before he got injured.

  • Bishbosh11

    You are wrong about Anita. He is a good player. He may never be a ‘superstar’ but he will also neve be a liability. He is a tidy little player who is good o the ball – that he has been ruined by Newcastle Utd is a different subject.
    The other players you mention are all by-and-large decent players. Lets go through them:-
    Gouffran – A STRIKER with great work ethic forced to play out of position.
    Ferreyra – No-one has seen him so can’t comment.
    Mapou – A talented youngster ruined by Pardew
    Riviere – Looks decent but has looked nervous so far and has had his share of bad luck in front of goal.
    Ben Arfa – What can I say, and outstanding player, you can hardly blame the scouting team for his attitude.
    Luuk De Jong – Not good enough for the PL. 
    Best – Did a great job for us while he was here. Didn’t really get a chance in the PL.

  • A lex

    At last, someone who is questioning the ‘miraculous’ Graham Carr. I’d love to see a list of those he’s recruited since he came in 2010. Personally, I think he’s clearly unearthed some diamonds in his time, but he’s found some duffers and average ones, too. He may have brought us Cabaye, but he also brought us Amalfitano.

  • vbhgft

    A lex …and Bigiramana.

    Mind you, Bobby Robson gave us Titus Bramble, Carl Cort, Daniel Cordone, Christian Bassedas, Hugo Viana, Fumaca….

  • A lex

    vbhgft A lex I totally agree with you there. And, don’t forget, Bobby also said about Shola, “This boy will be better than Shearer one day” – OMG!!
    My point is simply that Carr has developed an aura about him, and, I feel, is a tad overrated by many people.

  • A lex

    vbhgft kev1664 Hmmm – disagree with your latter points, especially those about Ba and Debuchy. Those were at the top of their games already, and I’m sure their performances with us had little to do with Pardew improving them.

  • Hez

    A lex  Carl Cort may have been excellent if it wasn’t for his injury record, looked at bit of a star when we first signed him

  • vbhgft

    A lex vbhgft I agree completely about Carr. It’s almost a pundit’s cliche “they’ve got a great scout in Graham Carr”.

    I’d say Cabaye was his only true gem. Debuchy was well known, as was Ba.

  • vbhgft

    A lex vbhgft kev1664 Hmmm Alex. How come you’re discussing things with me civilly on this thread but on the other one you’re insulting me! You’re like a Pardew press conference!

  • wor monga

    Typical poor article…just picking up on any media utterance
    that rubbishes the NUFC, and since Pardew walked off…it looks like Carr is next
    in the Mag’s firing line. You need to step back and look what the Premier
    league actually is…it’s 6 big clubs…Chelsea, ManC, Arsenal, ManU, Liverpool and
    Spurs who go out and pay big, and they sign players who they know are ready
    made, and will adapt to the conditions, and there’s the rest like us who look
    around for bargains that given the chance might just work out. We are firmly fixed
    in the much bigger percentage of the league that looks at players more than
    likely well under £10 million who are still young enough to improve and have
    probably had a good season or two in their own country, and been on the fringes
    of their international side. Carr doesn’t know for sure how any player of this type
    will turn out in another country and league under another coach where the
    pressures are much different. One thing is sure though our club’s scouting has
    never been as good, and if he was to be hounded out, by those who still live in
    the Keegan era… then I have no doubt that most of the other clubs in the PL
    would snap him up quick smart.

  • vbhgft

    wor monga Good points. I made similar points about the current nature of the Premiership on another thread and got vilified for it.

    Now Pardew has gone, it is open season on everyone else – Carver, the coaching staff, Carr and any player who hasn’t been quite as good as Cabaye was. The usual thing trotted out concerning the players, though, is how they would be great in another team. Anita is the latest.

  • Brownale69

    Lightweight not physically strong enough not impressed by his play

  • pissed off mag

    all the squad are second rate its amazing we have no star playersplayer, the lot of them are two bob

  • A lex

    vbhgft A lex kev1664 Most people can’t be wrong all the time. You’re just correct in this thread. That’s all.

  • SusanCommon

    i been to the Herdgang (PSV academy) a few times and this guys opinion must be respected. psv don’t compete academy wise they are respected in their own right.

  • wor monga

    Brownale69 There’s a load of vertically challenged players in the PL…always
    has been and probably always will be… the likes of Alexis Sanchez, Nathan Dyer,
    Santiago Carloza, Aaron Lennon are no bigger than Anita…so you wouldn’t have
    any of them either!!!

  • wor monga

    SusanCommon What’s all that guff supposed to mean then, Susan…that
    Brands can set himself up to have a go at any player he doesn’t particularly
    rate, and spread it all over the internet. That doesn’t get my respect…he’s
    just another nobody, who never was anything much playing the game, and never
    will be anything more than a glorified mouthpiece, at PSV (their very own Joe
    Kinnear)

  • vbhgft

    A lex vbhgft kev1664 Well thanks for your approval Alex. I can’t be completely unintelligent then!

  • kev1664

    For the period best was brought in for, he done as expected, coming back into the league, he filled the void left by Carroll in the season we came back up quite well working more as a support player than being the source of goals. The season we finished 5 his goals gave us 7 points in games where ba was struggling.
    Mbiwa got about 10 games at centre half, the games against Tottenham, Chelsea, fulham, west ham, he kept clean sheets, Tot & Chelsea was alongside Williamson Williamson.
    Last year with Mbiwa starting at cb; win 55% / draw 22% / loss 22% / goals per game conceded 1.1 points per game 1.8
    Without Mbiwa starting at cb; win 34% / draw 6.8% / loss 55% / goals per game conceded 1.68 / points per game 1.1
    With Mbiwa starting in the team Including Full back 17 games / 26 points / 1.53 points per game / 1.53 goals against per game
    Without Mbiwa Starting in the team 21 games / 17 points / 1.25 points per game / 1.57 goals against per game.
    More than 3 against with Mbiwa In the team 5;
    Nufc 2 – 3 Hull
    Eve 3 – 2 Nufc
    Nufc 0 – 3 Eve
    Sou 4 – 0 Nufc
    Man C 4 – 0 Nufc
    More than 3 against without Mbiwa in the team 6;
    Swa 3 – 0 Nufc
    Nufc 0 – 3 Sun
    Che 3 – 0 Nufc
    Nufc 0 – 4 Tot
    Nufc 0 – 4 Man U
    Ars 3 – 0 Nufc
    The problem with Mbiwa wasn’t him, it was pardews insistence to play him out of position, and even then we did better with him in the team then when he was out of it.
    We’ve had plenty of games where we imploded in defence without him.
    Pardews insistence on playing him along side colo when neither could win a header didn’t help.
    Both colo and Mbiwa need a guy who can win headers, they are essentially sweepers.
    Abeid didn’t get his chance through improvement he got it due to injuries to key players, much like Ayoze Perez. Luck not judgement.

  • vbhgft

    kev1664 Despite your statistics I just can’t agree with you about Mbiwa. I thought he was shite. So did Jamie Carragher.

  • kev1664

    With him in the team we had 47% win rate and 41% loss rate
    Without we had 33% win rate and what’s worse a 57% loss rate.
    We got humped more times without him, and we didn’t manage a goal in those games without him where we got humped.
    He wasn’t given long enough at CB, he is equally as good as Colo, if not better, but gets load of stick where colo seems to get away with it.

  • jimblag

    I thought from the headline that we’d sold him, I thought we’d free’d up a space in our squad for a new signing…..damn.

  • heza09

    Not too sure about that list of players, nor am I sure about the criticism of Anita…

    For him to be singled out at this time is a bit of a joke when so-called “big” players like Coloccini and Tiote have been hopeless all season…
    FWIW I love Colo’ too…

  • Jarra MIck

    Monga are you saying Anita is as good as those you’ve named? You’re having a laugh, I agree size isn’t the deciding factor even if he was 6 ft tall he still wouldn’t be good enough.

  • Jarra MIck

    Got the best out of Ba ? He [email protected]@ked him and Cisse played them both out of position.

  • NatTurner

    Bishbosh11  He’s decent but not good enough for the league.  Of course he is a liability.  Every time he plays he makes at least one glaring mistake that shows he doesn’t belong in the league.  Often it is a bad pass given to the other team.  That is what a liability is.

  • dav_art

    Turning your guns on Graham Carr now that Alan Pardew has left?

  • dav_art

    wor monga  Agreed.

  • Maximus Moose

    dav_art Why not hes part of the Problem

  • Maximus Moose

    wor monga SusanCommon BLAH BLAH BLAH !!!

  • Maximus Moose

    wor monga Brownale69 LUNATIC

  • Maximus Moose

    Jarra MIck Hes as Mad as a Shyte House Rat ignore the idiot

  • radgiegadgie

    vbhgft A lex Perez is looking like a find.

    As people have said when looking at up and comping talent, it’s a % game and you are more likely to get more wrong than right.  That’s football, only a few make it to the top.

  • radgiegadgie

    kev1664 Yeah, I don’t see Pardew running to France to recruit young’ns now he is at Palace.  He clealry is more comfortable with journey men English players that have worked up the leagues like he did e.g Mike Williamson.

    He worked with what he had (no choice really) but I don’t think he really knew how to optimize the squad he had been given.

  • nufcslf

    vbhgft kev1664 Parwho, definitely yawn and thank Christ the useless prick has gone. The 3 goal losses the worst in club history and only 45% home win record describe how clueless he was and don’t me started on no Plan B or a sub that could change a match. What was it, he only managed to win one game when coming from behind in 4 years and you couldn’t count on 10 hands how many points were thrown away from a winning position. No respect for the clown at all because of everything written above.

  • Bishbosh11

    NatTurner Bishbosh11 Ok, so by your definition of liability, Tiote should be nowhere near the 1st team yet most people rate him PL standard. I don’t get it!

  • NatTurner

    Bishbosh11 Fair point.  I think Tiote is rated because he makes up for being a liability with strengths.  PL teams want a big, strong defensive midfielder to protect the back four.  That’s why Manchester City bought Fernando.  Anita doesn’t really impress anyone with his defending or his forward play.  Add being a liability to the list and it is miraculous he’s been in the PL for so long.