During the winter break, Sky Sport Italia broke the story that there was a clause in Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa’s loan agreement, which meant that if the Frenchman played twenty times during his loan spell then AS Roma are obliged to make the deal permanent with a £5.5m transfer fee.

This news was covered widely in the Italian press with the expectation that Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa was on the verge of completing a permanent move to AS Roma once the January window opened.

Mapou Yanga-MbiwaMoving on loan to Rome just before the summer transfer window closed, the French international had become Roma’s best and most consistent defender.

Getting his chance early due to injury, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa kept his place and established himself in the heart of the defence.

In the process, the on loan defender played a total of seventeen times before that winter break in Italy, including two as a sub, winning back his place in the French national squad in the process.

The two matches before the winter break saw Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa and his defensive team-mates continue their good work, keeping clean sheets against both Genoa and AC Milan.

The January transfer window opened but with no immediate permanent deal completed for the on-loan Newcastle defender.

Then to the amazement of both the Roma fans and the Italian press, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa was dropped for the first game after the winter break against Udinese, then left on the bench for the derby with Lazio.

Over the course of the two matches, Roma used six substitutes in total but ignored Mapou.

The story then emerged in Italy that Roma were holding off playing Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa to avoid triggering the £5.5m buying clause, the Italian club hoping that they negotiate a better deal in the summer or preferably this month.

At that point a number of journalists said that one more game and the defender had reached that twenty match point.

They were wrong though as the player at that point had only made 17 appearances (12 in Serie A and 5 in Champions League) not 19, Mapou was subsequently recalled for the away Serie A game at Palermo on 17 Jan and then kept his place for the Cup win over Empoli on Tuesday.

Tonight AS Roma travel to Fiorentina for a league clash and if selected it will be Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa’s twentieth appearance for the club from the Italian capital.

We await with interest to see if the on-loan Newcastle defender is selected and if indeed that then triggers a permanent transfer.

More importantly for Newcastle fans, is the possibility that incoming funds might mean a much needed defender/strike arriving at Newcastle if the proceeds are spent. We live in hope.

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  • LeazesEnder

    Ashley is sitting on a pile of dosh…the desire to spend money isn’t dependent on a few quid more.

  • Roppa

    LeazesEnder 
    I quite agree, the Club will post a c£45m profit, it doesn’t need the MYM money to make a new signing.

  • big TJ

    OK so we have the kid back, in a position were short of players, better than nothing

  • Maximus Moose

    Incoming funds Ha Ha Ha straightinto Fatso`s pockets

  • A lex

    But even if it was 10p, he’d still be delighted at getting / saving it.

  • GToon

    big TJ He’s a good player but played out of position by pardew who preferred the Willo/Colo pairing. It’s a shame as you don’t captain a team to league success and play for your country if you are useless. He’s a young lad too and doesnt seem to have been afforded the time to develop or learn like some other players have.

  • Roppa

    GToon big TJ 
    He is the antithesis of what Pardew believed an effective CH should be i.e. Williamson.  Under a ‘proper’ coach, this kid could be a great player.

  • big TJ

    I agree, sometimes players are as good as the work put in to them, also how their inspired, sometime you face just doesn’t fit. As a coach all faces must fit or your not a coach if theres problems with a player you have a responsibility to identify the problems and either iliminate or harness them and use them as positives, I have to say JC has that ability, ap did not.

  • magpie9

    Why the hell should we have to depend on 5.5 mil incoming funds? If fatso would run the club like a football club instead of his personal bank book which is never opened 5.5 mil would be a player we should be buying as a squad player. This club 20th richest in world with an owner who would sell his mother if a bid was made. He has taken all the passion & feeling & when he has the last penny he might go away & stop taking the p*** out of what fans he might have

  • big TJ

    There’s one major problem in Newcastle, it’s acceptance. Newcastle have to get back to supporting the team and forget being transfer specialist, coaches, and would be club owners etc.
    At the end of the day we are on the dole, were factory workers were managers and professional s, but we don’t own the club. Unless we form a group or win a euromillions roll over and buy the club we have no rights in how the club is run, to prove that: you inherit 250,000,000 ma sells the club to you and the first thing that happens is thousands of people start telling no demanding you do this that and something else with your business…….what would you do? I suggest your answer would be: hang on this is my club, I call the shots! How different then is this to ma.
    I’m not saying he’s right or your wrong, just let’s support our team.
    I blame media, if the truth were known we will sell maybe max 4 players in the next two weeks and bring in 5 (max) but we’re being linked with around 30, please let’s get back to reality, ma is a businessman and has proven he’s a good businessman, what you do is give Newcastle the best support we can then if the entertainment is not up to scratch don’t go! Northern league is good to watch!!!

  • Mister Tee

    How will this work in the future then?
    If our new “Head Coach” hasnt got final say on transfers, in or out, how do you expect them to be able to “eliminate” them (i.e sell them?) or if their “face doesn’t fit” why would the club buy them in the first place?
    This is the thing that annoys me, and most other fans, about how Ashley allows the club to be run. He blatantly knows nothing about how football works, neither does Charnley, but they are the ones who decide which players come in, stay or are sold. Can you understand how that might be a problem going forward?
    At the start of the season we had 4 othordox CB; Colo, Steven Taylor, Williamson and Yanga Mbiwa. As was stated on this website earlier, apart from Yanga Mbiwa, we had the same CB we had 5 years ago. In that time Coloccini has had his little fall out with the club and has been unsettled, he is also looking past his best, Taylor has been Taylor who can occasionly look decent but is still prone to the odd brain fart, he has had injury problems and is now 29, Williamson has regressed and does not look 100% comfortable in the PL, he is also past his best and Yanga Mbiwa, who looked extremely uncomfortable at times but only had one full season in the PL and even then, was hardly played in his preferred position. He was allowed to go out on loan with no attempt at a replacement – even now with Taylor out for the rest of the season, the problems with our other CB and the transfer window a week away from closure, there appears to be no movement to cover the gap that has appeared in the squad.
    The men in charge of making football decisions at our club do not know enough about football.
    We need a manager to oversee all of the football side of things. Let Charnley and Ashley keep an eye on the money side of things, give the manager a transfer budget and let him and Carr decide who should be signed or let go.
    John Carver is a coach at best.
    Not a Head Coach.
    Not a manager.

  • Roppa

    Mister Tee 
    An excellent post. You have captured the concerns of almost the entire Geordie public. Ashley knows nothing of football, neither does Charnley, whilst Carr’s illustrious coaching career is with: Northampton, Blackpool, Maidstone, Kettering & Weymouth. Yet these are the guys who are running the Club and deciding upon who is bought & sold. It’s more fitting of a Sports Direct Outlet than a Premier League Football Club!

  • SimonM68

    big TJ If you are suggesting that Carver is better manager / coach than Pardew, I think you need your bumps reading, I really do.  Please don’t tell me it’s cos he’s ‘local’ …. What proven ‘ability’ exactly has he got?  We’ve not seen anything so far at all and all we’ve heard are desperate attempts to get the job and lies about the squad for Leicester…

  • big TJ

    I concede things don’t look good right now as changes are being made, and we’re all uncomfortable with that, but you have to look simply at things. Most of grahams buys for me look to be ok,(although I’d like us to hold on longer to them to get true vale for money).
    Next no one would buy a player knowing his face wouldn’t fit, you find this out over a period of time. You the have a choice get rid or work to change his perseption as to his role.
    I agree with your next point, however ma’s job is not to be involve with football matter his job is to grow the club as a business. Lc’s roll is to manage the club as a whole that is everything from admin, stadium, transport, acadamy, tea ladies and most of all running cost.
    I have to say with reference to football affairs, I think the system being implemented is good, I’m not going down the route of some of the purchases we’ve made in the past, but how I see the new system working is our head coach will develop a system made up of style practises procedures philosiphies etc. He then looks at the personal he has at his disposal, next he consults with the head coach to discuss his requirements, GC then goes into the market and identifies players suitable to come in, comes back to head coach to form a short list, then approach lc where funding is sought from ma, he then instructs GC to make approaches as to availability, then lc does the dealing, this looks to me as a good system, and remember lc will take advice from others, head coach will take advice from his coachin staff and ma and lc will work together…….jobs a goodin for me. But no one will know for two or more years.
    I’m awear we’ve been ripped off for years. But I’d like to reiterate ma has a good business here if he had a better squad his team would be better and win more, fans would be happier and spend more making it a better club and business…. Happy days, all I want is to see Newcastle united challenging for all competitions.

  • big TJ

    OK its my belief, right or wrong a weakened squad was played in the cup, not necessarily his decission
    If we’d been given a penalty against Southampton, and the way we played well first half against Chelsea who knows.
    Please get you facts right what I said was you don’t know his ability until you try it, JC may be a success but you won’t know unless you give him a chance, I have faith in him!
    I also mentioned this is the time as JC as pub etc. Know all of the players and have a perception of how they play. To bring in a new man now may be a success or mor important it may end in tears. The other consideration is do we sign a coach now or a better one in June. At the end of the day its not our shout the club apooints not us! Whoever gets appointed will have my full support .

  • vbhgft

    Roppa GToon big TJ Come off it. Mbiwa was shite. Complete shite. Take off the rose-coloured specs.

  • toon_teddy

    According to the official Roma twitter feed, he’s starting the match today:

    https://twitter.com/OfficialASRoma/status/559421723901444096

  • Roppa

    vbhgft Roppa GToon big TJ 
    He wasn’t shite when at the age of 22 he captained Montpellier to the league championship & played for France 3 times. He wasn’t shite when he first came to NUFC, but he was consistently played out of position by our illustrious manager. He hasn’t been shite when he played for Roma all season, & for France too. He’s only been shite when he’s been played in the wrong position and when he lost heart after being forced to be Williamson’s understudy – who wouldn’t lose hope???!!!

  • Mister Tee

    “no one would buy a player knowing his face wouldn’t fit”
    Xisco, Nacho Gonzalez, Amalfitano, Yanga-Mbiwa, Ferreya….
    Players signed using this system of a scout bringing in players that the manager didnt particularly want. There are probably more but I think its an indication of how this system can be flawed.
    It could work, Gary Neville has recently said it could be the future of football and cited Southampton as a perfect example of how a club makes its own philosophy and the manager must fit in to their way of thinking. Thats fine for Southampton, I read the Les Reed interview and he has said there is a team working away behind the scenes to make sure that, from Under 8s all the way to the first team, the ideology remains the same.
    Can you see Ashley implementing that sort of thing?
    If that is the way he wants to go he MUST invest in the coaching set up.
    If that is what he wants, then fine, but I dont think he has the people at the club to start it off and its also debatable if he will take the time to do so – the “5 year” plans have changed every couple of years.
    “all I want is to see Newcastle united challenging for all competitions.”
    I’m with you on that one however the club still havent detracted their famous quote about the cups following their research so I’m not sure they are.

  • big TJ

    As many players you site like disco etc, I could give many bought by regular managers, just look at dalglish for example.
    I’d like to make a comment on today’s fans, when will we understand to give the club a chance. OK so ma takes money out of the club, why not its his club. We’re led to believe the club was in major financial difficulties, this is no longer the case! This has to be a plus. I hope he can apply this progression to football matters.
    One thing I would say at this point is: i imagin I’ll be happier at the start of next season, than the start of this season.

  • GToon

    big TJ TJ, what you have said sounds great but without going on about it i find it hard to understand why the club are seemingly forced into running like a small business with no speculative investment. And yet we are owned by a bloke who has more money than most of us could write down in numbers and who just pocketed another bucket load of millions this week. Would it be the end of the world for him to invest some of it in a centre half and a centre forward. You dont need a manager, coach or anything to see thats what we are missing. The system can be a simple or as complicated as you like, its what’s on the pitch that counts and at the moment the squad is not up to it. All of the gesturing, chest beating quotes in papers and carefully worded announcements from LC won’t wind back the clock on Colo’s legs or suddenly implant a footballing brain in Willo or give Riviere the confidence that he is currently lacking. It just seems so simple to me. Football eh! Didn’t one of the greatest managers (Clough) once say – football is a simple game complicated by idiots.

  • vbhgft

    Roppa vbhgft GToon big TJ Hugo Viana wasn’t shite when he came to NUFC either.

    Sometimes players just don’t make it in the Premiership.

    Mbiwa admitted himself that he is better suited to the pace of the French and Italian leagues. Some players just are. He is one of them.

    This canonising of players who couldn’t hack it like Mbiwa and Marveaux is ludicrous, so is blaming Pardew for the fact they didn’t come up to scratch as well. Was it Bobby Robson’s fault that Viana, Cordone, Bassedas and Fumaca couldn’t cut it? Some times, maybe it is the player’s fault. Just maybe.

  • Roppa

    vbhgft Roppa GToon big TJ 
    Maybe it is the players fault – certainly they have a big part to
    play, but playing him in an unnatural position isn’t going to help him.
    Furthermore, incomprehensibly, Pardew preferred to play Williamson –
    what would that do for your confidence??!! 
    Don’t be so naive
    regarding Mbiwa’s statement – whilst under contract, and even for some time
    thereafter, the players at NUFC cannot speak freely. They cannot
    criticise the regime. Often statements are allegedly made by NUFC
    players that they know nothing of. It is the club’s propaganda machine
    at work and unfortunately many gullible fans are taken in!!I’m not saying that you’re gullible – far from it, but what I am saying is that the NUFC contracted players are greatly restricted in what they can say. The NUFC propaganda machine is all-powerful, and the players / manager / coach cannot voice their personal opinion’s unless it complies with what the Club wants the fans to hear

  • nufcslf

    Do yourself a favour for Christ’s sake, stay where you are and as far away from this pantomime club as possible. Come on Rangers. ASHLEY OUT!!!

  • nufcslf

    Mister Tee Find it hard to see why anyone who thinks they’re any sort of fan can’t see through Cashley. You have said it all and a copy of this should be left on fatty’s desk to have a look at. Shame 50,000 sheep and the I haven’t won a match yet puppet will all be present at the next home match as if nothing is wrong. Laughable really.

  • Mister Tee

    Managers will buy players who dont turn out how they wanted them to, that is always going to happen.
    I would always want a manager to be fully accountable for who he buys and sells and then he has nobody to blame but himself if things go wrong and likewise take the praise if things go well.
    Unfortunately you dont have to look very far back in our transfer history to see how this proposed type of system isn’t working for us.
    Who bought Mbiwa?
    Who bought Ferreya?
    This is not a Southampton type situation we have going on here however there is no doubt or reason we could do the same as they have but every factor of the system has to be put into place before that can begin.
    Half way through a season is not the time to be coming out with a new plan.
    As regards to the comment “I’d like to make a comment on today’s fans, when will we understand to give the club a chance. OK so ma takes money out of the club, why not its his club. We’re led to believe the club was in major financial difficulties, this is no longer the case!” I would say that the fans have gave the club every chance and always do, year after year. We have gave Ashley chances, even after he was found guilty of lying to his manager and the fans. He has been here for nearly 8 years and we seem no further forward than when he arrived. He takes money out of the club to (slowly) pay of a loan he had direct involvement in building up (i.e relegation) and uses that loan as a set of handcuffs to plaster Sports Direct all over the stadium. We were also led to believe many things by Ashley and Mort and Llambias and Wise so why do you think that things are so rosy now?
    Because theyve told you they are?
    Ah, right. Ok then, it must be true…..

  • Brownale69

    Incoming funds being spent!!! Ha ha ha …..wot about the 3-4m we got for Pard? Have we spent that? What did Charnley say, no spends this Jan!

  • vbhgft

    Roppa vbhgft GToon big TJ Well, Mbiwa’s success in both the French and Italian leagues would see to back up what he is saying. He clearly prefers to play there. No other Premiership teams have come in for him.

  • Greekgeordie

    Mapou did not fit in the English premier league, hence no English team came for him, and also his heart was not there to play for Newcastle, watching him play for Roma, going for every tackle, and showing aggression, proves the point.
    He was also lucky to move to a team with a number of defenders injured, time will prove if he is a good player or not, but most likely will be away from Newcastle.

  • Mister Tee

    It may well be that Mbiwa was never suited for the PL but for me his signing raises serious questions about how Charnley, Ashley and Carr are going to go about this new system.
    Charnley said that the new Head Coach will have a say but not the “final” say in players being bought.
    Mbiwa was bought and Pardew was gushing in his praise of him saying he was perfectly suited to the PL. I think it was obvious from pretty much the start that Pardew actually didnt think that much of him and preferred not to play him in central defence, he almost didnt trust him and while I can see Pardews point (Mbiwa didnt impress me) I still thought he should have been given more time to settle, especially given how much we paid for him and our current crisis at central defence.
    An overseas player sometimes needs time to settle (eg Colo, Jose Enrique) but how is it that Carr, Charnley, Ashley and possibly Pardew got it so wrong between them?
    Who gave the final say?
    Charnley?
    Carr?
    And then the manager didnt want to play him?
    Ferreya?
    What is that all about?
    Was that Charnley? Carr? Pardew? Coloccini??
    If this is to work they will have to seriously work on it to convince the fans it is something worthwhile. At the minute I have zero confidence in this system while we have the same people who brought in the two players I mentioned.

  • big TJ

    You lot don’t seem to understand, you have absolutely no right to demand investment, or tell the man how to run his business, if you don’t like it don’t go if enough people stop going he might change the way he does things.
    I remember the shirt scandal, and the mother of one of my players said how can the club charge so much for a shirt, my reply was because mothers are daft enough to pay it, don’t buy them and the price will come down!!!

  • GToon

    big TJ and yet if he just prepared to put a tiny fraction of what he is worth into the club the place would be jumping. imagine if we were even as good as southampton. its possible but it just takes that small step and thats what he wont do. thats what i dont understand. and to me it does actually make business sense and he would recoup money as he already is doing without the investment (which i suppose is the problem).

  • big TJ

    It looks like were selling two and bringing in four, and plans are already being drawn up for summer, so let’s wait and see, at least get behind JC let’s not make food for the southern press to belittle our club supporters or area!!! Right or wrong, good or bad, jc will go to the wall for nufc.

  • A lex

    I’m tending to agree with JC for the short term. But, please oh please, don’t become another “wait and see” person – you should know the trend and policy by now : it just ain’t going to change.

  • GToon

    big TJ MYM and who else to go? Sissoko?

  • big TJ

    I would say the club under lc is more autonimous than ever since ma took over, probably because ma has bigger fish to fry, so we have no choice but to wait and see. I have also been led to believe the transfer budget is relative to net club profit, so the more the club make the bigger the budget……

  • A lex

    big TJ It’s not more autonomous at all – Charnley has a clear and exceedingly simple direction to follow. Even he can manage to do that without too much interference from Ashley. As for his capabilities to, effectively, run a club in the EPL, then that’s another woeful story. Out of his depth, but when he has no real decisions to make, then he’s a shoe-in.
    It irritates the pap out of me when I see “no choice but…..”. Of course we have a choice. We had a choice before with owners and managers, and we let them know it. Usually, fan pressure wins the day. The pathetic truth is that too many people are thinking that ‘no choice’ is the actual deliberate choice they’re making – to turn up, sit on their thumbs in silence and do nothing. ‘Doing nothing’ is a choice and that action is supporting the continuance of Ashley.

    Finally, if transfer budget is related to profit, then that’s fine by me. What isn’t fine is how he strangles and curtails such profit by creaming off merchandise sales for SD, and restricts advertising and sponsorship revenue inside the stadium.

  • Mister Tee

    Mike Ashley “has bigger fish to fry”!
    Seriously mate? Like what?
    He owns a multi million pound Premier League football club with the 3rd highest average attendence, probably worth over £200million. It is a massive, massive project regardless of how you value us compared to Sports Direct or Rangers and we should not be put on the back burner by anybody while they try and make themselves a few more million quid.
    This is one of the most distressing things about the way Ashley runs the club. He sees us as a part time gig, a hobby, a distraction almost.
    It is a massive operation owning a football club, even running somewhere like Gateshead should be ran with the owners full attention yet our owner is trying to have full control of 2 football clubs and a near global sports retailer.
    Its ridiculous and the club deserves much, much better than that.

  • big TJ

    You need to Google ma, he’s increased his stake in tesco,house of Frazer and debenhams to mention 3 oh and by the way the city are looking into one of his companies possibly becomming a bank in the near future, he will buy rangers and sports direct are attempting to purchase one of the biggest cycle companies in Europe I would guess Newcastle are only approx 12% of his business not exactly the biggest fish!!!
    You are so diluded if you think ” he sees us as part time/hobby/distraction” you still don’t get it mike buys a business even if its a sweet shop, he then applies he’s tried and tested business model, then finds trusted members of staff to take over the reigns, then he is involved in only the largest of decisionsleaving the day to day running of the club to his staff, then moves on to his next project, then maybe weekly or monthly check the businesses bottom line to make sure they are achieving.
    Not to long ago I had five businesses, I was heavily involved in none of them, but in touch constantly with all of them!
    Mikes business nufc needs to be well run, for me he’s achieving that, I’m just now waiting till his loan is paid off to see if we will then take the club to the next level or sell, who knows?

  • Mister Tee

    You make me laugh mate, I’ll give you that.
    Mike Ashley, or “Mike” as you like to call him, is the founder and chairman of Sports Direct. I think it is Sports Direct who own shares in Tesco and Debenhams allowing their stock to be sold in those shops and therefore expanding the Sports Direct brand. Mike Ashley (“Mike”) does not own shares in Tesco and Debenhams, Sports Direct do. Mike Ashley owns shares in House of Fraser through MASH Holdings.
    Mike Ashley owns NUFC.
    Anyway, having shares in something is not the same as owning something 100% surely? Trying to gain control of another football club when you can’t even run one football club properly is absurd and purely down to greed and a desire to further promote the thing he founded; Sports Direct.
    You say he has a “Tried and tested business model”?
    How come, if it’s so good, it doesn’t look capable of bringing us any success? Since the model has been in place we have seen Portsmouth win an FA Cup, Birmingham win the League Cup, Bradford reach a Cup Final, Swansea City win the League Cup, Sunderland reach a Cup Final, Southampton get promoted and wallop us with regularity, Sunderland win the last 5 derbies, cup exits at the hands of great teams like Stevenage, Cardiff, Leicester and Brighton (twice!).
    The model may work for business but not the business that actually means anything in football terms.
    You say he employs “Trusted members of staff”?
    I take it you mean people like Joe Kinnear, Dennis Wise, Alan Pardew, Alan Shearer, Chris Hughton, Jeff Vetere, Derek Llambias, Lee Charnley and John Carver. The only person he employed with real experience of how NUFC should (or could) be run was Kevin Keegan and he completely shafted him!
    The reason, I’m betting, he employed those “trusted” members is because very few of them (probably nearly all of them) would not have said “No” to him when he challenged them about something.
    You are waiting for the loan to be paid off?
    I would pull up a chair because “Mike” is taking his sweet time about that one.

  • A lex

    Wonderful response. I doff my flat cap to you, good sir!