On a day of great FA Cup action, Alan Pardew was responsible for carving out one of the best results of the day.

While Chelsea and Manchester City will take all the headlines, Pardew’s Palace went to third placed Southampton and beat them on their own turf.

alan pardewYou really couldn’t make it up, after only one lucky win in five FA Cup matches at Newcastle and consecutive four goal hammerings with Newcastle at St.Mary’s over the last two seasons.

The question is how did he approach today’s match and his team selection, at Newcastle was it orders from Mike Ashley to play weakened teams in the FA Cup?

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Crystal Palace have beaten Southampton 3-2 this afternoon and Alan Pardew only made 3 changes (keeper and 2 outfield players) with 8 of the players who won at Burnley in their last match playing again, plus the three missing players were all on the bench today.

So how does this compare to what happened at Newcastle when Pardew was there?

2011 Newcastle beat West Ham 5-0 in the league and Alan Pardew made 5 changes as United lost 3-1 at Stevenage in the 3rd round.

2012 Newcastle beat Man Utd 3-0 in the league Pardew made 4 changes as United beat Blackburn 2-1 in the 3rd round.

2012 Newcastle lost 5-2 at Fulham in the league and Pardew made only 1(!) change to his team which then lost 1-0 at Brighton in the 4th round.

2013 Newcastle lost 2-1 to Everton at home before Pardew made 5 changes to his team for the 2-0 defeat at Brighton, the players left out included Cisse, Krul, Tiote and Coloccini.

2014 Newcastle lost 1-0 at West Brom in the league and Pardew then made 7 changes for the 3rd round defeat at home to Cardiff,  players left out included Krul, Debuchy, Coloccini, Cabaye and Remy.

2015 Newcastle drew 3-3 with Burnley (Carver now in charge) and there were 7 changes for the 3rd defeat at Leicester, players left out included Janmaat, Coloccini, Perez, Colback and SIssoko.

It is hard to believe that there hasn’t been major influence from Mike Ashley, especially with a major change over the last three years.

In 2012 at Brighton only one change was made but then in each of the last three matches including the most recent under John Carver, not only have there been wholesale changes (five, then seven, and seven again) but pretty much all the decent players have been pulled out of the United teams each time.

  • Maximus Moose

    All the top 3 losing in the cup My My whats going on Was Jose, Manuel & Ron under orders to lose or was it that the Players couldn`t give a Shyte, i think its the latter

  • SimonM68

    I was sickened enough by Ashley’s sabotage of the cup once again (and Carver’s lies to boot), but Spurs, City, Chelsea, Southampton and Swansea out and Man Utd looking shaky…..It’s there for the taking – a bit of luck in the way the draw pans out and Leicester will practically be nigh on favourites. Hang your head in shame Fat Leech! And get out while you are at it!!!!!!

  • ScottAllan1

    No it proves when he plays what he has and doesn’t have options then he does ok. When he has players in a full squad he can’t manage it and can’t see players best positions

  • bill black

    Why are we going back to Pardow he,s gone and working to a different business plan,the business plan at our club is 30 plus points by year end then wind down. Cups are not in the plan so why post the story !

  • RexN

    If Shola signs for Palace, he may surpass anything here under Pardew in the FA Cup, play in the 5th round. In fact, nobody has played in the 5th round of the FA Cup for Newcastle in the whole of the Ashley era.

  • Carver for North Korea

    Looks like the top 3 have taken a leaf out of Mike Ashley`s Book on football

  • FatCashley

    Makes me sick to see him do well.

  • vbhgft

    The main difference between the first Brighton game and the others is that it was a fourth round game and the others were third round games coming after the ludicrous glut of Christmas fixtures Pretty much all Premiership teams did the same thing. We just seem to get more publicity when we do it, presumably because of the unforgiveable “cups are not our priority” statement. They are not priority, clearly, to many other teams, but we came out and foolishly said it.

  • RexN

    Just another quick stat – at time of writing (Saturday evening), admittedly with a few games still to be played, including replays, the highest placed team in the Premier League with a guaranteed place in the next round is Crystal Palace.

    Given involvement in Europe, it would be interesting to see which higher placed teams will put out a strong side for replays.

  • Melchett

    vbhgft Sad really, but even Championship teams don’t play their full strength teams for this competition. If we take away the teams going for the prem title and Champs League, battling relegation or after promotion, there should be at least some incentive for the rest to have a real punt at this. You could say we’re at least being honest, but it still leaves a bitter taste. A Cup win and finishing 12th or 13th still looks better in the record books than winning nowt and finishing 8th or 9th.

  • SimonM68

    Melchett vbhgft 
    I’d take a cup final win even if it meant relegation and I suspect thousands of others would too. One is timeless and the other is forgotten as soon as you are back up.
    If we are talking about honesty, given that a) Ashley manipulates us out of the competition ASAP every year and b) he doesn’t give a sh*te about what anyone thinks, why doesn’t he just pull out of the competition from the outset?
    Ferguson was slaughtered for doing that but isn’t that better – more honest – than making fans turn up and shell money out under totally false pretences??

  • Melchett

    SimonM68 Melchett vbhgft I have to be honest and given the option of winning the Cup and being relegated, I’d take it, but I never understand why it has to be either/or. Mind you, it could be said that there’s no difference between Ashley’s ‘honesty’ and Taggarts, not that it makes it any less immoral.

  • Willvenus1

    We know he was definitely under orders anyway, purely because he said he wasn’t. I don’t give a shite about him or Crystal Palace. Move on…..

  • gazchampion

    Does it really matter now? I’m more concerned about what is going to happen in Toon -if anything!HTL

  • vbhgft

    SimonM68 Melchett vbhgft I really don’t think “Ashley manipulates us out of the competition” every year. That has become a frankly ludicrous conspiracy theory used as an excuse for our consistent failures in the cup(s). As I said in my earlier post, al Premiership tams play weakened teams, particularly in the third round, coming as it does after the crowded Christmas fixture list. It was an unfortunate trend started by Teams such as Bolton under Allardyce and Wolves, desperate to stay in the Premiership. Aston Villa, Sunderland and Southampton having been doing it for years. Weakened teams are played, poor crowds turn up. The FA  Cup doesn’t figure high on anyone’s priority anymore and teams think they can get away with it. Bradford City and Middlesbrough have proved they can’t today.

    The FA need to take a lot of the blame for the desecration of FA Cup Final day – playing it before the league has finished, just hours after league games have finished, and at 5.30 pm.

    No-one cars about the FA Cup anymore. Apart from the Cambridges and Bradfords for whom good results are like winning a trophy.

    By the way, I don’t agree with any of this, but it is the way it is.

    Yes, it would be better if teams opted out.Certainly I wish teams could opt out of the Europa League

  • Melchett

    vbhgft SimonM68 Melchett Maybe they need more incentive to give a toss about it? I bet if they where awarded 1 point in the league for every round they progressed would make a difference. Wont happen of course, but the competition is slowly dying and it’s being allowed to.

  • Sickandtiredstill

    Sick of hearing about him. Two of those goals today were shockers anyway – goalie error Followed by a massive deflection. Saw a great advert for hisbrand of hoofball though

  • vbhgft

    Sickandtiredstill Palace 2 Tottenham 1
    Burnley 2 Palace 3
    Southampton 2 Palace 3

    Seems a pretty good advert to me! Open, attacking football of the kind he never played with us, for whatever reason.

    If anything Pardew’s teams with us didn’t play direct enough, rarely launching it into the box when they should have done. It was all Coloccini to Williamson, to Tiote, to Colback and back to Coloccini again. All in the middle third. Too much passing and going nowhere.

    The last NUFC manager to pay regular “hoofball” as you put it, was Chris Hughton, whose main tactic was give it to Joey Brton out on right of halfway and chip it long to Andy Carroll. Worked twice, away at Arsenal and at home against Blackburn. At home against newly-promoted Blackpool who had shipped six at Arsenal the week before, Hughton played one up front. We lost. Genius. Oh I forget, he’s such a nice guy.

  • vbhgft

    Did Mike Ashley order Remy Cabella to get that silly haircut? Or did he order Daryl Janmaat to wear that 1980s “new romantic” hairband?

    Or was it all down to that clueless idiot Pardew? No wonder his record was so poor. Our team is made up of punks and girls. On the owner’s orders, carried out by the manager.

    They have torn the heart out of our once great club.

  • Sickandtiredstill

    Get over yourself. If results justify everything then again nothing you say interests me. 2 of those goals yesterday were typical Pardew – a goalie error then a massive deflection and he comes away looking and sounding like Mourinho. This didcussion was about club direction under the owner – nothing Pardew is doing now makes me believe here at NUFC that Ashley wants anything more than the official line of a mid table finish.

  • Jarra MIck

    Spot on melchett, can you think of a scenario when we would have a real go at a cup run? I think it is almost accepted that mid to lower prem teams who have a bad first half of the season will see it as a distraction. However for the last 2 seasons we’ve had a good points tally by Xmas and we still won’t give it a go!

  • vbhgft

    Sickandtiredstill Firstly, how can goals be “typical Pardew?”. Did he make their keeper make an error? A goal is a goal.

    Secondly, as we are always being told, it is a results business.

    Pardew is getting results.

  • SimonM68

    vbhgft SimonM68 Melchett 
    I accept (but don’t like) the logic of teams in fear of relegation and teams with Champions League aspirations prioritising differently.
    A club in a 10th not having a good go and the direct correlation between Ashley’s tenure and our catastrophic cup record is more than a co-incidence.The badge can be whatever name you like – ‘sabotage’, ‘manipulation’. ‘prioritisation’ – that’s academic really. It’s wrong in my opinion and it is orchestrated, it’s just the degree that’s up for debate.

  • NE1

    How many changes did we make when we beat city in the cup.