Graham Carr has now exited Newcastle United.

The Head Scout arrived in February 2010, replacing Dennis Wise as the go to man on transfers for Mike Ashley.

Nothing is ever that clear at Newcastle United, as to who is really in charge and doing whatever, as evidenced by the recent news that Lee Charnley has had to answer to Ashley’s man Justin Barnes in recent times at the football club.

However, despite not having the title, Graham Carr appears to have acted more as a Director of Football, rather than a mere Head Scout.

With the likes of McClaren and Pardew having no say on transfers in and out of the club, Carr appears to have been the one putting forward all the recommendations to Mike Ashley and his other minions running the club.

I make it that 46 players were brought in during the reign of Graham Carr, that is until the arrival of Rafa Benitez.

The Spaniard’s appointment bringing to an end Ashley and Carr’s failed transfer strategy, which had led to yet a second relegation in only seven years, under the ownership of Mike Ashley.

Here are all 46 of those signings rated, including loan signings, from the sublime to the ridiculous.

I also had a handful where I was undecided and they are grouped at the end.

Otherwise, I have split them into five categories.

My choices have been made based on a combination of factors: their ability, how much they cost, how much they actually contributed at NUFC, as well as any transfer fee that may have been received when they left.

So based on ability, Moussa Sissoko would be nowhere near being a very good signing BUT with Tottenham paying £30m for a player who cost only £1.5m, he can’t be rated as anything other than a success in thee ratings.

All comments gratefully received…

Very Good

Cheick Tiote, Yohan Cabaye, Demba Ba, Moussa Sissoko, Loic Remy, Gini Wijnaldum

Good

Papiss Cisse, Karl Darlow, Jamaal Lascelles, Jonjo Shelvey, Andros Townsend, Hatem Ben Arfa

OK

Mehdi Abeid, Davide Santon, Rob Elliot, Mathieu Debuchy, Yoan Gouffran, Ayoze Perez, Jack Colback, Daryl Janmaat, James Perch

Poor

Gael Bigirimana, Vurnon Anita, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Massadio Haidara, Olivier Kemen, Aleksandar Mitrovic, Florian Thauvin

Very Poor

Stephen Ireland, Shefki Kuqi, Dan Gosling, Sol Campbell, Sylvain Marveaux, Gabriel Obertan, Romain Amalfitano, Luuk de Jong, Siem de Jong, Remy Cabella, Emmanuel Riviere, Facundo Ferreyra, Henri Saivet, Seydou Doumbia

Undecided

Kevin Mbabu, Curtis Good, Chancel Mbemba, Ivan Toney

(All contributions from Newcastle fans welcome, send articles (as well as ideas/suggestions) to [email protected])



  • Anita kick up the Hoop

    This is one of the largest piles of cack I’ve ever read in the history of the Mag … utterly idiotic

    • Lord

      Discuss.

      • Anita kick up the Hoop

        I was going to pick the bones out of it … but it honestly isn’t worth it .. some of the choices in the category’s are so cringeworthy it pulls itself apart without having to go into it ..

        • Clarko

          Then your opinion is invalid.

          • Anita kick up the Hoop

            No it isn’t .. the piece is just so silly it’s hardly worth comment .. so many players shuffled into any old category.. it’s so off the cuff Lee Ryder could have written it

          • Clarko

            You cannot say something is “silly” or “idiotic” without giving reasoning and expect it to be accepted.

          • Anita kick up the Hoop

            It speaks for itself though surely

          • Clarko

            No. Again, you have diminished someone’s work without giving a reason or any indication as to why, I think that is “silly”.

          • Anita kick up the Hoop

            It was “diminished” the second he hit the ENTER key.

          • Clarko

            Why don’t you try form an argument? One that supports your view. If you think this article is so “silly” it should be easy, right?

          • Anita kick up the Hoop

            It is easy .. so easy that the article itself does it for me .. job done.
            You’re quite a character by the way.. you seem to see yourself as this forums enforcer … a sort of defence council barrister.. arguing the point on technicalities and pedantically focusing on one or two words or sentences to (in your mind) “win” the argument .. what you end up doing however is look like a brat! An ego maniac with delusions of intellectual superiority and narcissism seem to jump off the screen in almost every one of your posts … sitting furiously typing away to drive your point home even though there was never actually much of a point to make in the first place .. do you imagine yourself finishing a tirade and looking at a jury as if you’ve just destroyed a hostile witness on the stand before retaking your seat, job done and triumphant? Can’t you just leave it alone? I’ve explained that the article is so obviously flawed that it needs no in depth criticism.. it’s there on the page.. in this thread you argue with other posters on and on and on.. even when the tedium is palpable.. just relax, you aren’t Rumpole of the Bailey.

          • Clarko

            “I’ve explained that the article is so obviously flawed”, but you haven’t explained why?

            The rest is just irrelevant drivel.

          • Anita kick up the Hoop

            Hahaha.. here we go! The standard attempt to focus on the technicalities of one statement… I did explain that in my opinion the article is so obviously flawed it needs no dissection .. I didn’t however feel the need to explain why the article is flawed line by line, point by point which is what you are trying to imply I meant when I stated “I’ve explained the article is so obviously flawed” … you aren’t putting me in the stand Rumpole …

          • csh

            pointless arguing with this person, obviously he has nothing better to do with his time…

          • Clarko

            “I did explain that in my opinion the article is so obviously flawed it needs no dissection”. Why don’t you explain how it is so “obviously flawed”, then?

            You stated earlier that I’m “an ego maniac with delusions of intellectual superiority and narcissism” yet you are the one calling the work of John Martin “idiotic” and “silly” for no given reason, does that not suggest that you’re the one that thinks you are “intellectually superior”, is it not you who comes across as “narcissistic”, it is clear that the only “brat” here is you.

            This will be my last reply if you continue to act like a “brat”, as you so eloquently put it, if you want to debate the article like an adult then I am fine to do that, although, it does appear that you don’t think you need a reason to attack someone’s work. Have fun.

          • Anita kick up the Hoop

            A tactical retreat they call that .. loose the argument and leave but in a style where you try to kid people (or yourself) that you are walking away to the moral high ground … laughable and blatantly transparent. Bye Rumpole .. off to find another pedantic argument no doubt.

  • Leazes Ender

    Both Carr and Moncur were in a position to challenge the clubs ‘buy to sell’ strategy and yet did nothing to stop it…. both men were United through and through in a way that Charnley and Ashley are not………..or so we thought….

  • Andrew Michelangelo Furniss

    Utter Tosh. Anita and Mitrovic rated as poor?

    • Leazes Ender

      Very poor

  • Guest 2

    Sissoko and Wijnaldum as V Good??? LOL!

    • Clarko

      Sissoko was bought for £1.70m and sold for £29.75m
      Wijnaldum was bought for £17.00m and sold for £23.38m
      (via transfermarkt)

      Both very good acquisitions.

      • Guest 2

        [email protected] players for NUFC – and their new clubs. Ginny continues to do better at home than away for LFC while Sissoko is just plain [email protected] Seems like bean counting is all you base your opinion on rather than their abilities for OUR club as professional football players. Let me guess – you don’t want Fatty to sell either?

        • Clarko

          You are clearly very bias against the players and owner, your lack of astuteness is demonstrated by you assumption of my thought process and my position on the owner and the sale of the club.

          Instead of acting like a child why not try to debate your point across like an educated adult.

          • Guest 2

            I’m biased against anyone defending bad buys for our club and rating them as V Gd other than for cash purposes.
            Why on earth wouldn’t I or shouldn’t I be biased toward the owner? Aren’t you?

            That’s my adult point of view, what’s yours?

          • Clarko

            How can you describe them as bad buys? Sissoko was bought for £1.70m, appeared in 133 games, scored 12 and provided 19 assists in that time and was sold at a £28.05m profit. Wijnaldum was bought for £17.00m, appeared in 40 games, scored 11 and provided 5 assists during that time and was also sold at a £6.38m profit.

            Are you asking why you shouldn’t be biased? Or why you shouldn’t like Ashley? You should never let your dislike cloud your judgement.

          • Vodkamagpie

            Totally agree with you clarko

          • Guest 2

            Go ask Spuds if you disagree with me. You think they feel Sissoko is a good buy too?
            As facts proved here and at LFC, Gini doesn’t turn up unless he’s at home.
            I know why I’m biased towards Ashley. I asked why you aren’t. 10 years of dross, 2 relegations, 3 near misses and you seem to think we were a club full of talent and promise.

          • Clarko

            And you’re back to your previous self. This isn’t about how you think Tottenham feel or how you feel about the footballing ability of both Sissoko and Wijnaldum. This is about fact and all the facts are in my previous post that you have yet to counter.

            I am not biased because unlike you I can control my emotion and I use my brain to solve problems, not my hate.

          • Guest 2

            I don’t need to counter your ‘facts’ as the real facts, on the pitch, spoke and still speak, for themselves.
            Not judging a pro football player on his football ability and contribution to the team is as ridiculous a comment as ever made.
            Rating them a V Good simply because of their financial outcomes is an indication of what a large portion of our ‘support’ have now become.
            You aren’t biased as you clearly have zero interest in the actual football part of this football club.

          • Clarko

            I will repeat a previous comment:

            How can you describe them as bad buys? Sissoko was bought for £1.70m, appeared in 133 games, scored 12 and provided 19 assists in that time and was sold at a £28.05m profit. Wijnaldum was bought for £17.00m, appeared in 40 games, scored 11 and provided 5 assists during that time and was also sold at a £6.38m profit.

            Do appearances, goals and assists give indication of “team contribution” or “footballing ability”? It’s rhetorical, they do.

            Side note, do you know what the word “biased” means?

          • glassjawsh-got-banned

            *biased

          • Clarko

            Thanks.

          • Geordiegiants

            Ha ha ha ha lol. Get in, he is a complete tw’t.

          • East Durham Mag

            Just thinking that.

        • Geordiegiants

          My sentiments exactly, I am a fan of football not finance. Some of these muppets are on about money. Who gives a flying fig about the fat c’nts money?

      • East Durham Mag

        Great made loads of money on Sissoko but was a prime reason why we went down.

        • Clarko

          To clarify you are citing the cause of the relegation on Moussa Sissoko?

          • Cuh736

            Many ways. Red card in a crucial game, failing to turn up on big nights, own goal in a crucial game. etc…

          • Clarko

            An own goal and red card are the defining reasons that Newcastle were relegated over a 38 game season?

          • goggsy

            Let’s be honest if Rafa spends 50million quid or more (the combined price we received for these 2,12 months ago) on half of our midfield,and then we go down,you would have to lay a decent proportion of blame on the midfield. Stats are stats as you know football is largely based on stats these days,they can tell you how for somebody ran,but they cant tell you when a player pulls out of a 50/50 or sometimes doesnt have the heart for it.

          • Clarko

            Without being rude, the whole “£50m” comment is irrelevant to the conversation, I was asking the initial poster whether he thought that Sissoko was to blame for the relegation of Newcastle United.

            As for the “player pulling out” comment I can tell you that during the 15/16 season both Sissoko and Ritchie made 37 appearances in the Premier League. Sissoko won 46 tackles compared to 39 by Ritchie, Sissoko only lost 44 tackles compared to 84 by Ritchie. It is surprising what statistics are available these days.

            (via Squawka)

          • goggsy

            Exactly that’s stats for you,nobody in their right mind on seeing the 2 players in person and not their stats would come to the conclusion that Sissoko is a harder working player than Ritchie.

            I don’t belive he said that,prime factor,I believe was their opinion. It’s all linked,my opinion is that if the season we got relegated we had 2 midfields who played a significant amount of games were worth 50mill plus,if their ability is not in question then maybe their attitude and desire was. But hey ho it’s only one man’s opinion.

          • Clarko

            And your and East Durham Mag’s opinion is supported by no actual evidence.

          • goggsy

            I can only come to a conclusion or form opinions on what I see,surely that’s not a crime? We can’t all agree all the time,doesn’t really matter too much.

          • Clarko

            Do you think Sissoko was to blame for Newcastle’s relegation?

          • goggsy

            In a word,no.not too sure who your having an argument with,as nobody said that and I certainly didnt.its all been said before,the article is opinion and it’s sparked a little debate with other folks opinions,I do believe that’s in keeping with the nature of the site. A little debate/arguing/opinions is one of the things that keeps the fun in football and has always entertained me,stats are canny too,but sometimes they take away the human instinct. /gut feeling and are frankly a bit boring.each to his/her own it’s just a bit of fun for me.

          • Clarko

            “In a word, no. Not too sure who you’re having an argument with, as nobody said that and I certainly didn’t”, then why did you bother to reply then?

            Not only that but you’re wrong, below is a quote stating Sissoko as the reason for relegation:

            “Great made loads of money on Sissoko but was a prime reason why we went down”

            Some people follow the evidence, the science, the math, where as others choose to believe stories, myths and fairytales. I know what I follow.

          • goggsy

            Because it’s fun and nice to see other people’s theories and opinions. You are literate,so of course you realise that you’ve used a quote doesn’t say what you claim it to have. Your last point,I’m happy to fall into neither category,more than happy to believe what I see with my own eyes,it’s generally worked quite well for me in forming my own opinion and not relying on the works of others.

          • Clarko

            I’m “literate”? I know. You’re not.

            Another example of your stupidity and ignorance. The quote states, that “Sissoko”, “was the prime reason” Newcastle “went down”. That is what the quote says, there is zero room for interpretation.

          • goggsy

            I do believe you’ve used 2 different quotes in your last 2 comments. Sorry but I’m right there,that’s a fact.

          • goggsy

            Come on man,no need to get personal,it’s just a laugh.

          • Clarko

            Oh, I don’t need to “get personal” after you tried and failed to call me illiterate, you have made a fool out of yourself. When your IQ hits 28, sell.

          • goggsy

            I didn’t, in need fact I said the complete opposite and it was sincere. Remember it was also a point I made and you were happy to agree with it. But it does go to show how things written in black and white can sometimes be misconstrued and lose a certain human touch.

            Come on,your reply of “no” is silly,you only have to scroll a second to see it,I’m being petty though and it doesn’t really matter. If what I have wrote has offended you personly,then I apologise as it wasn’t my intention.

            As for the IQ thing,bit silly. We have all had the same capacity to think for quite a number of years,that it takes some people longer to come to a conclusion doest make them more intelligent it merely means they think faster.

          • Clarko

            Where did I use two different quotes? Quote me and explain.

          • goggsy

            I don’t need to as you’ve edited the latter and now neither stake him as “the prime” which has made the discussion even more farcical.In removing your misquoted quote,you’ve succeeded in making making the whole thing nul and void. You’ve got me there,when deciets involved the fun stops,it makes the discussion intolerable and futile.

            Seriously though, enjoy other people more,have a ounce of respect for other people’s thoughts,you might learn something and there’s no shame in it. Good day,honestly enjoy your life,it’s precious.

          • Clarko

            So if only you had quoted me before I “edited” my post so you could provide evidence to support your claim. It’s ironic that isn’t it? You seeing something with your “own eyes” has rendered your point useless.

            This all started because you stated the following (I can agree that you called me literate although the whole quote is a contradiction of that “compliment”):

            “You are literate, so of course you realise that you’ve used a quote doesn’t say what you claim it to have.”

            What does that mean? Explain with quotes where I have deliberately misinterpreted a quote.

          • goggsy

            It isn’t a contradiction,that would imply that I think you’re illiterate,but clearly neither of us are. But written words cleary can be misinterpreted. It really doesn’t matter,I think that in the quote “was a prime reason” does not constitute ” was the reason for our relegation” which is how you interpreted the quote. Had the quote of said “he is the sole reason for our relegation” of course that would be as preposterous as your making out,but it simply doesn’t say that.

            When your using my quote,after the word quote,it should say “that”. Making a mistake doesn’t make someone illiterate.

          • goggsy

            I am happy you admitted to editing it though,it is decitful and not intelligent,dishonesty is a burden I simply can’t abide.

          • Clarko

            Again you’re ignoring/missing the point. I will try to explain this as simply as possible one last time. Below is a timline.

            East Durham Mag:
            “Great made loads of money on Sissoko but was a prime reason why we went down”

            Clarko (me):

            goggsy (you):
            “so of course you realise that you’ve used a quote doesn’t say what you claim it to have.”

            Fill in the blank with an exact quote of mine that justifies your quote.

          • goggsy

            I get this now,when I said “literate” you assumed I had made a typo and meant “illiterate ” as you say.its not a typo though,it was a genuine compliment.

          • goggsy

            Could we agree that I called you “literate”?

          • goggsy

            Although, faculty I may have to remove the quote altogether. That’s a joke by the way.

          • Clarko

            No.

          • Geordiegiants

            Your wasting your time m8. He is really hard work, never a discussion or opinion, it’s always an, I’m right your wrong argument with him.

          • East Durham Mag

            No but his lack of drive, commitment or inspiration and arrogance were a factor. He certainly didn’t relegate us on his own. Are you his agent or something? He is one of the worst examples of a player with undisputed talent hardly showing it.

          • Clarko

            How much of a factor? Percentage wise? Because from my point of view the appointment of McClaren was a factor, McClaren himself was a factor, the amount of time he was given was factor, the lack of investment was a factor, the choice of investment was a factor, the squad was a factor, the mentality of the whole squad was a factor, the quality of the whole squad was a factor and Benitez was a factor.

            It just seems petty to blame Sissoko, McClaren/Benitez didn’t have to pick him did they? Are they not more to blame?

          • East Durham Mag

            You have your opinion and i have mine. You love Sissoko and i don’t end of. I doubt that you will ever be wrong and i really can’t be arsed to argue the point. Agree to disagree.

          • Clarko

            One minute Sissoko was the “prime reason” Newcastle were relegated, the next he was just a “factor”, you’re a contradiction and now you conveniently can’t be “arsed” to argue a point that you have been trying to argue for 7 hours, unsuccessfully.

    • Geordiegiants

      I couldn’t agree more, how can that knacka (Moussa) be put as a good signing. We are football fans not accountants. Gini was ok, but pretty average at best while at Newcastle.

  • Billy Ellwood

    Half the players in the very good section helped us get relegated!
    For the outlay spent, Darlow and Lascelles have been top value players.

  • Oooh bobbi fleckman

    Jonjo Shelvey, Andros Townsend, James Perch, Stephen Ireland, Shefki Kuqi, Dan Gosling, Sol Campbell,Rob Elliot 7 Obertan were not Graham Carr players

  • MadMag83

    Colback OK but Gosling poor? Ginger Jack has been a dismal signing. Gosling may not be the most glamorous player but he was half decent and has been an important player in a Bournemouth team that have faired far better than us in the Premier League of late.

    • Cuh736

      Saw the Gosling rating too. But I assumed the author didnt put the players’ performances at their future clubs into consideration.

  • East Durham Mag

    Moussa Sissoko very good? Playing well 3 or 4 times a season makes a player very good? Give your head a shake.

  • goggsy

    All just individual opinions really. I get the undecided ones,except from maybe Mbemba,surprised that you know Laccelles is good but your undecided as to Wether Mbemba is good or bad? Sort of get the Colback one based on your factors,that he cost nowt and we’ll probably sell him for money,shame we’ve had to pay him for a few years though. Disagree with a few but that’s inevitable and Lord knows football ain’t too exciting these days,might as well have a bit of fun with it.

  • Cuh736

    Moussa Sissoko is either good or ok. Don’t care how much we received for him. Besides, if we only get 5m at a time for 6 years, then it shows he wasn’t really so highly rated by the club buying him.

  • Cuh736

    Very Good

    Yohan Cabaye, Demba Ba, Loic Remy, Gini Wijnaldum, Daryl Janmaat, Hatem Ben Arfa

    Good

    Papiss Cisse, Karl Darlow, Jamaal Lascelles, Moussa Sissoko, Jonjo Shelvey, Andros Townsend, Davide Santon, Ayoze Perez

    OK

    Mehdi Abeid, Rob Elliot, Mathieu Debuchy, Yoan Gouffran, Jack Colback, James Perch, Cheik tiote, Vurnon Anita, Mitrovic, Chancel Mbemba

    Poor

    Gael Bigirimana, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Massadio Haidara, Olivier Kemen, Florian Thauvin, Dan Gosling, Gabriel Obertan

    Very Poor

    Stephen Ireland, Shefki Kuqi, Sol Campbell, Romain Amalfitano, Remy Cabella, Emmanuel Riviere, Facundo Ferreyra, Henri Saivet, Seydou Doumbia

    Undecided

    Kevin Mbabu, Curtis Good, Ivan Toney, Luuk de Jong, Sylvain Marveaux, Siem de Jong

  • Vodkamagpie

    Let’s just make this clear, sissoko was an excellent signing, and the reason is the transfer fee Tottenham paid, it’s that simple. Sissoko has great attributes to his game, drive, pace, strength, direct, maybe he didn’t show us that all the time, but he does have it in him, making it an excellent signing by Carr, resulting in the 28Mil profit we gained

    • Cuh736

      Some of these players would have done better under better management. Some didn’t even get a fair chance in the first team, and normally that would suggest the manager wasn’t impressed with them in training. But, looking at the quality of managers we had, I can’t trust their assessments.

      Moussa’s level of performance dipped with time. I’d rather ignore how much we paid for him. I mean, if we sell Colback to China for £50m, does that Mark Mark a very good signing?

      • Anita kick up the Hoop

        Exactly .. some extremely talented players, well scouted BUT given to managers that didn’t want to use them properly..

    • Taz

      Am I missing the point or are you on something?.But, you Quote… Sissoko has great attributes to his game, drive, pace, strength, direct, and maybe he didn’t show us that all the time!!!!!! I’m confused, the bloke is and was a lazy tw@. A broken swatch watch is brilliant twice a day as its time is right, does that make it great? (Nope)……..he is Uncreative, lazy, his assists were almost nil, his goal scoring dreadful, passing and heading even worse, his lack of contributions helped us get relegated, I do agree that the money we got from spurs was great, ( that’s the only thing good about the bloke) but if you ask their supporters about his attributes and footballing skills I think you will also find them asking who are you referring to. Its not in him he doesn’t have it!, he is a waste of space on a football field… enough said!!!!!

      • Vodkamagpie

        And yet we sold him for 30Mil, does that make any sense to you, think about why we sold him for 30Mil, think about why he was probably man of the match in the euro final for France, think about why I bought a shirt with his name on it, think hard!!

        • Taz

          I’ve had a think. You seem to have think just because he got man of the match in 1 game, and another club paid £30 mill makes him a good footballer, most toon fans wud disagree, most Tottenham fans would also disagree, I can’t answer the question of your loonacy of spending money getting his name on your shirt, u obviously thought different than most, but it is your opinion and this is mine. Being an Expensive player doesn’t make them a good footballer. The money we got was great but he is not. Think hard😀

          • Vodkamagpie

            It’s a lovely shirt tho lol. Still maintain it was good scouting by Carr, he saw sissokos attributes, unfortunately he can’t make the individual perform, that’s someone else’s job and sissoko himself

  • Thefootballerwhocouldfly

    Some good & bad signings… Let’s hope Carr was open, honest & transparent in all his dealings otherwise HMRC would be interested?!

  • Bartoon

    I think author made a valid point.

    “My choices have been made based on a combination of factors: their ability, how much they cost, how much they actually contributed at NUFC, as well as any transfer fee that may have been received when they left.” ~ as it was from Ashley as his employer.

    You can’t claim you are good or bad of your job from your mum’s opinion, kids, nephew, niece or your fans’ opinions. You are counted as good employee by your boss and those result shows how was Carr’s.

  • Down Under Mag

    I still maintain that Luuk de Jong was a decent player and showed some glimpses of what he could be BUT was never given a chance playign alongside another striker. He was always isolated and played as a lone striker which was as far away from his strength as you could get. There are a load on that list who were either cheap 2nd/3rd choice signings after we refused to pay the rate for the first choice( inevitably watching them go on to play brilliantly for their new club) or they were never given the chane by our inept managers at the time. Thauvin was not a bad play, neither was Ben Arfa…they were beign asked to play a role that wasn’t playing to their strengths. Imagine playing Ben Arfa as a #10 behind a good target man rather than asking him to play as a defensive winger tracking back to keep things tight….bad attitude or laziness aside, if you don’t play to your players strengths then what is the point in getting them??

    • Anita kick up the Hoop

      He should have stayed and been our attacking midfield option in the champions rather than Diame (awful signing)