A table has been produced showing the average league placings for all clubs, including Newcastle and Sunderland.

The criteria being that to feature, all clubs had to have played at least one season in the top division (First Division in old money, Premier League as we know it now.

The Mail have produced the results and it is sure to cause decent debate, with the top 20 shown below.

newcastle and sunderland

Always nice to see Newcastle above Sunderland and just in case you were wondering, the placings obviously take into account the seasons spent outside the top division, not just where teams have been placed in the seasons they’ve spent at the top.

A lot of observations can be made, including the fact Manchester United don’t make the top three, a surprise to many modern day supporters.

Liverpool’s dominance of the 1970s & 80s, plus relative high placings since, means they overcome a steady but mainly unspectacular existence pre 1960s.

No doubt it is inevitable that Manchester City will shortly overtake Newcastle, unless something dramatic happens in terms of ownership of one or both clubs.

For north east football overall, you have to say that the two clubs being comfortably in the top ten highlights the disgaceful current state of the two clubs.

I often used to do a hypothetical top twenty clubs that should make up the top division, taking into account their overall profile and history.

For me, having these twenty clubs in the top division would make for a much better competition where Newcastle are concerned, although the fact that the table includes a lot more northern teams compared to Premier LEague reality, may play a part.

Great days out and/or rivalry against the likes of Leeds, Boro and the Sheffield clubs are a bit more meaningful, at least for more mature fans, than playing the likes of Hull, Palace, Stoke and Swansea.