Alan PardewThanks to the last two matches yielding six points, Alan Pardew was relaxed enough to be a little philosophical in defeat.

As the manager says, Newcastle played well but the second goal was the killer – not the best defending in the world but it isn’t every week you are up against Gareth Bale and he was the clear match winner.

This is what the manager had to say at full-time;

“Tottenham started really fast but after that we dug in and played some good stuff.

I was pleased with the performance though not the result.

It was an even game really, other than after the second goal when it opened up.

Their first goal was class but we should have done better with the second.

His (Gouffran’s) shinbone looks sore so it is fingers crossed. We don’t want to lose him, he has just come to the club”.

It would be a massive boost if there is more positive news on Gouffran’s shin but at the very least Alan Pardew has a couple of weeks before the next Premier League match against Southampton, a chance to get the new players really bedded in.

Though we do have the two Europa League matches in between so all eyes will be on exactly who plays and maybe more to the point, how strong overall the team is.

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40 comments
fromtheheed
fromtheheed

Best comment I've read for weeks. Should have had Centre backs in position by now, need to get to build an understanding before start of season. Looks like we are going to get thrashed on opening games.

York to win and another defensive nightmare.

DownUnderMag
DownUnderMag

At the moment i'm happy with the progress being made.  We have two signings on board with a third lined up waiting for Visa permits, who all fill a much better standard of purchase than we have resorted too in recent windows.  McClackers is stating we are also chasing more and that is promising, with reports saying the Austin deal isn't dead in the water just yet.

I think we need to be realistic, to get to where fans want us to be challenging, it will take a hell of a lot of money and essentially a brand new squad. That is just not feasible, it needs to be done in stages.  Adding too many players too quickly often means the team fails to act as a cohesive unit.  It would be best to address the need for specific players, stabilise the team and then improve in the next window in areas we feel need more quality/quantity. We do still need to address the defence, which sadly has got to a state where one decent signing and one young prospect aren't going to fix it.

There is, I agree, also always that fear of Ashley, Charnley or someone else at the club dropping a massive clanger and undoing all the good work, which will take time and consistent effort on the clubs part to allay those fears.

Happyharrys2011
Happyharrys2011

I couldn't agree more, every time we take a step forward its 2 steps back.

We are due a massive dropped bolock by Jabba.

Chemical Dave
Chemical Dave

I like Notts, he's probably the only bloke on here who makes me look optimistic. THat said, he does have history to back up his gloomy outlook. Me ? Well I've a feeling the next F up is in the pipeline but I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised.

Ollie Burtons Grandad
Ollie Burtons Grandad

All fair comment Notts, especially as it's looking like Fatmans horse has become a Pony.

If our defence is not improved drastically then it's going to be another long bloody season; one would have hoped that our pre season games would have demonstrated the dire need for 2 if not 3 new defenders.

One does wonder why the Wongamen take such a belligerent attitude when someone points out Fatmans shortcomings. After all it was his interview that gave rise to the tide of optimism. Idols with feet of clay and bellies full of shite I expect.

NottsToon
NottsToon

Yes, I realise that pragmatic realism is no longer popular now that "cautious optimism" are bywords of the day. Nevertheless, this an opinion piece and I believe it to be far more realistic than thinking some grand change is occurring.

1957
1957

I read somewhere recently, during some research, that people who are overly pragmatic can be prone to cynicism and can become overly negative with their views.

1957
1957

@NottsToon Mine came from Michael on Attitudes by Shepherd Hoodwin,


If you really are pragmatic you really are deep in the negative side of it. You have found a formula for this site that you believe works, stick to it and are thereby stuck in a rut despite in your own words now being in a minority. True pragmatists are flexible depending on changing situations.


This really is a shame because as I said in my earlier post you made some good points in the piece, balanced and constructive.


Your source of reference was...lets think, The NottsToon Book of Responses to People who Disagree with me. If it came from somewhere different let me know I might be able to use it.

NottsToon
NottsToon

I read somewhere that people looking for change in something which hasn't changed in years can become "cautiously optimistic" at the drop of a hat.

Strange what you read isn't it?

NottsToon
NottsToon

Still, at least you still have your sense of humour right?

1957
1957

Yeah, I did have a brief smile when I typed the bit about you making good constructive and balanced points.

Keep it up you don't have to be in the majority to have a valid opinion, it's the differences that make this site worthwhile.

Artie Fufkin
Artie Fufkin

Lascelles has looked like a rabbit headlights? when? I don;t claim to have seen it live but he looked sure-footed in the friendly on the states. 

NottsToon
NottsToon

@Artie Fufkin Lascelles looked passable at best against mediocre opposition and was guilty of more than one "fresh air" challenge.

Lascelles is currently another Bramble or David James, all the physical attributes without a football brain. I have watched his career quite a lot.


Artie Fufkin
Artie Fufkin

@NottsToon @Artie Fufkin I'm sure you know more of him at Forest than myself. He's not kicked on since being 'the new Des Walker' and in a way, suffered from the "lend back" aspect of our purchase of him, Forest know they are losing him so concentrate on other players. Pearce clearly decided he wasn't going to get played too much. 


He's got a lot to prove, a lad who would learn alongside influential defenders (yes, perhaps he needs a Woodgate but there are not many Woodgates in the world!)


But, he did look passable, I missed the air challenge you refer to but we'll have to see. 

Jievo
Jievo

There was unanimous agreement that we needed reconstructive surgery ***amongst the people you socialise with***. This website has become an echo chamber where pessimism and fury are allowed to grow beyond all control. We roundly blamed Pardew and Carver for YEARS, for failing to extract the clear talent in the squad, for "pardewing" players and for being tactically obtuse. The moment we get a coach you have no ammunition against, you turn your guns on the very players who you accused pardew of misusing. There is a great deal of deadwood in this team, but most of the poor players are actually good characters and there's no rush to get them out of the club at all costs and immediately. We need to keep building with the quality we've seen come in the past 2 summers and replace the poor squad players with more serviceable lads as and when they leave, and give McClaren a chance to build a better attitude and atmosphere, to get more out of the likes of Sissoko, Cabella, Anita and Haidara who could all be building blocks in a perfectly decent premier league team. Stop, breath, wait til the end of the transfer window and see who starts in our first few matches - by game 4 or 5 we should have a better idea of where this club is at, right now we're all guessing. I don't like Ashley and he has a long, long, LONG way to go to win me around, but I'm quite willing to back McClaren and the lads in black and white for now.

Jievo
Jievo

@Andgeo I would be *reasonably* happy starting the season with Mbemba added. Some combination of Colo, Mbemba, Dummett (first choice alongside Mbemba for me), with Taylor and Lascelles able to rotate in and cover as needed, would seem manageable for lower mid table, maybe a little higher if the attack really shines and Krul gets back to his best. But yes, I would absolutely like to see one more big signing at centre half this summer, or at least a REALLY promising youngster, it's by far our most shaky position and god knows why we went for Wijnaldum (not that I'm complaining) before picking up a defender or 2.


I disagree that the entire team needs replaced. I very much agree that we look rubbish at centre half and in an ideal world you'd only keep Lascelles and Dummett of the current bunch and replace the rest with quality, but in the real world Colo and Saylor (as long as he's fit) can do a job for the time being. There seems to be no room for shades between black and white online these days - I disagree with this article, but that doesn't mean I like Ashley, that I think our team is good enough or that I think we're going to be anywhere near the top 6 next year. Comfortable mid table with room to grow and improved form all around has to be the aim this year, any higher is a bonus, All we can do is wait, see and hope for a 4th transfer.

Andgeo
Andgeo

Jievo, do you think we need two new centre halfs or would you be happy going into the season with williamson and tails at the back?

Notts was fair to assume that most toon supporters think out defence is weak as pi@@ in MHO!

NottsToon
NottsToon

I'm glad you disagree that the whole team needs replacing, because I never actually said that's what I believe either. I was clearly referring to the impassioned thoughts of supporters at the end of a terrible season.

Your posts have argued against points not made in the article. Why is that?

1957
1957

Have to agree with other posters, the title of your articles are a dead giveaway to the author.

Oddly in among the negatives there are unusually some good points. We do need to prioritise defenders over Austin, we have enough in midfield and attack to compete if we defend better. If fact at £15m you could get a good CB and a versitile ful back who could cover both flanks.

Dramatic reconstructive surgery was/is never going to happen, it's a huge risk to change the team enmass. To use your analogy if you are in a dire medical condition, you often have a operation to stabilise (sticking plaster) before several others to complete the job. McClaren has talked about 2 or 3 transfer windows to make us really competitive, I think he is right.

v0ices
v0ices

@Artie Fufkin @1957 Haidara has shown nothing that suggests he should have the starting spot at left back he looks less of a player now than he did before the horror tackle.

Artie Fufkin
Artie Fufkin

@1957 The transfer market rarely operates in a perfectly chronographed order, The central defence problem has been there all window, as has the striker situation. we've chased two strikers, got one and now the other seems keen to come too. The centre half situation has been semi-sorted, my hunch would be that another dominant type will come in but in that case Collo is off and I think Willo will go too. 


We could go for full-back cover but who is coming just to cover our full-back positions and sit on the bench? If we get a left back in (let say the return of Enrique) he wants to play, so Haidarra will be out and if I'm Hadarra who looks fit on in form, I'd not be looking to stay on the bench. 

Artie Fufkin
Artie Fufkin

@v0ices @Artie Fufkin @1957 he was good yesterday and good in the US game where he got the laughable red card. Our defence was better last season with him fit but that is the key, his quality is there. 

Artie Fufkin
Artie Fufkin

@v0ices @Artie Fufkin @1957 Time will tell but he looks like he's moving better than last time. 


I just think replacing him now will be a mistake, he's first choice at the moment, bring someone else in, they may not be any better and he'll not hang about if on the bench. 

1957
1957

My major concern is cover for the right back slot rather than left back. If Janmaat picks up an injury we are stuffed, so IMO getting a player in who could cover both sides would be an advantage.

NottsToon
NottsToon

@1957 The problem being that realism is not the current order of the day. If we do well next season I'll still be here and be happy to be proved wrong, I'd love to see an entertaining and successful side on the pitch.


Whereas if we don't do well you will flip flop back to your old thinking like a Tory politician come election time, and the sudden abundance of new "cautiously optimistic" posters will vanish just like they were nowhere to be seen last season. 

Artie Fufkin
Artie Fufkin

@1957 But again, who comes in to sit on NUFC's bench, why not put a kid in? 

1957
1957

@Artie Fufkin @1957 Have we got one, my limited attendance at U21 games would suggest not at the moment

1957
1957

@NottsToon @1957 If we dont do well I will still be turning up to matches accepting it hasn't worked and  I was wrong.

NottsToon
NottsToon

I actually entitled it simply "sticking plasters", Mark exercised editorial control with the rest, so.....wrong, sorry.

v0ices
v0ices

Todays news of Aarons walking out on contract talks adds even more bloodloss.

keeganRescueUs
keeganRescueUs

As soon as I saw the title of this article I knew exactly who the author was. Typical miserable outlook of a seriously depressing bloke

NottsToon
NottsToon

I'm actually quite genial and good company. I just have an aversion to embracing an entity which has repeatedly taken so many people for a tw@t for so long.

murvar
murvar

Why is everything on here so bloody NEGATIVE!!??


Toonbadger
Toonbadger

Amputation of the CB`s is all we want and new ones in