DembaBa65The return of Demba Ba with Chelsea was thankfully overshadowed in the days leading up to the match by the excitement of our new signings and the first half display, in particular, against Villa.

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Only when the usual pre-match media stuff kicked off on Friday did the Ba angle get a lot of coverage.

Some of the nationals predictably were talking up Ba having to run a gauntlet of hate and other nonsense but to no great surprise our ex-striker was met by a mixture of applause, boos and maybe the silent majority like me, who sat there in…silence.

I’m not going to clap an ex-player when he plays for another team against us, apart from in the most extreme of circumstances.

Maybe the most extreme was the brilliant David Kelly who really bonded with the fans and arguably saved Newcastle from relegation to the third tier and possibly the end of the club as we knew it. Kelly came on as a substitute for the mackems and we clapped him onto the pitch,

Demba Ba was a class act on the pitch for eighteen months but that is all he was, a well paid player who did a very good job, however he was always a player on the verge of leaving and he left, he never got under our skin.

Should we hate him though? Why would you want to do that?

Just after midnight Demba Ba sent out the following to his Twitter followers;

“I thanks all the real fans for the nice messages i receive. And to all the haters….may god bless you!!! ;- good night”.

To be honest I’m embarrassed at any Newcastle fans who would send hate messages to Ba.

A player who gave his all on the pitch…what more do you want?

Look at the long line of players who took fortunes out of the club and gave next to nothing back, I’ll start the list here and feel free to add; Viduka, Barton, Smith, Geremi, Boumsong, Marcelino, Goma, Domi, Luque, Owen….

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TonnekToon
TonnekToon

I always think of Fatty as a Shark , soulless  behind the eyes but always looking for his next victim . Its how he made his millions .

wor monga
wor monga

Good article putting over the views of a ‘silent majority’ supporter who’s followed the team home and away for 15yrs solid…and who even took the time to stay behind and show some empathy with the protest movement…and what does he get for that ?…


…a slagging off on this site from that same flag waving minority …not the best way to make friends and influence the other 49,000 plus that went away happily chuffed that the Toon ‘weren’t gannin doon’…methinks 

NottsToon
NottsToon

Bless him, he's only a young un.

Hetton Mag
Hetton Mag

I don't get it. Three minutes of waffle and all is forgiven? I sincerely hope that the best interpretation of Ashley's words come true but what will you do if it is just another con? Given the way he treats his staff, his previous contempt for you, the fans, it strikes me as naïve to believe him. Anyone who writes about meeting MA says he is polite even charming but even a casual look at his business dealings shows he is ruthless to get where he wants to be. I see his stage managed interview as nothing more than something he knew he had to do rather than any genuine change. All he has said really is I don't want to be in this mess again let's see how much he is willing to commit to make that happen. The appointment of the manager will be a massive indicator, Carver or McClaren will tell us where the club is headed. 

keeganRescueUs
keeganRescueUs

Ted Bundy was a charmer too and look what he got up to in the evenings!!!

NottsToon
NottsToon

"Where does that leave the protesters/ boycotters?"

Exactly where it did before this latest round of bull sh*t from the owner, fighting a battle for the return of our football club.

SGM
SGM

@NottsToon  It leaves the protesters..............Dwindling.

GToon
GToon

And feeling that their efforts might be forcing his hand at least.

GToon
GToon

Look, if he rights his wrongs then people are less likely to protest. That's a good thing. We all want the same thing, a successful team. Sometimes people need reminding of that fact. That's all. Everybody makes mistakes, it's what they do after them. He's made some noises but let's see what actually happens. And surely you can't blame us for being sceptical can you?

NottsToon
NottsToon

Haven't seen you around here much for the last few weeks, I thought you had dwindled out of existence. I should have know you would reappear like a great full lap dog as soon as your master spoke.

Don't worry petal, it will only take a few weeks of promises not being met for you to vanish back under your rock again.

gazchampion
gazchampion

@GToon i'd like to think so...hope the recent antics on and off field has finally woken fatboy mike from his profit- induced ignorance! ...Until he does 'invest' i.e.spend on some quality and keep them then we can perhaps dream of winning something!


GToon
GToon

We will know for sure in 3 or 4 years time when the players bought haven't been sold to recoup this summers necessary outlay. If the books are put aside and a winning team is higher on the agenda. But that's a big if to me. It starts with the appointment of a decent coach. And I don't mean one with leather seats and tinted glass either!

Porciestreet
Porciestreet

Strikes me that Ashleys press was all lies and b****x aimed at cajoling fans to renew season tickets. He's lied through his gritted teeth before now but I wouldn't trust a sound he utters .  HWTF.

Ashley Out. ASAP.

Toonarden
Toonarden

Sir Jimmy Saville was very popular with all and sundry and it's said that Eva Braun found Hitler a 'very nice man'. Means absolutely nowt. History is littered with nice, pleasant people who have a much darker side to them.

We shouldn't be fooled by Ashley. He hasn't made billions by chance. A leopard never changes its spots they say. The choice of manager will be crucial in seeing just how 'sincere' he is in taking us forward.

Incidentally the author of this piece is extolling the virtue of Anita in the last game. In the first twenty minutes he hardly placed a pass correctly and his attempt to score on a four against none situation was laughable.

Keep the overboard praise until somebody really deserves it.

By the way I've watched the Toon since 1958 so if Vernon's display was the best you've ever seen at SJP you've missed out a lot.

Wallsendstu
Wallsendstu

Some times I think if you go about with your head in the clouds you come back down to earth with a bump. We will have to wait and see if what the fat man said turns into actual signings and thus gives us more of a chance to start showing a little ambition. This can be shown very quickly if Penfold gets his finger out and selects a manager/head coach who has the ambition to aim for the top (even if we know we won't reach the pinicle) who can motivate all those around him not just the playing staff, who can get fans off their seats and enjoying watching players who are willing and adaptable to change tactics during a game and put in the effort to try and win each match. The choice has to be right and he must have the last say in player purchase, this cannot be left up to the football board as the fat man called them as currently that means Carr only as the others are not football people. The restraint of not paying the level of wages and fees for players that will get you to a higher level has to go and we have to compete in the transfer market with the likes of Southampton, Stoke, Swansea etc.

If the club communicate their intentions (we are not stupid enough to think we will be told everything) and be honest with what they are doing on a regular (not once in a blue moon) basis they will find that the supporters will ease off with protests, boycotts and the like. They will start to unite supporters they have actively attempted to drive a wedge between and slowly bridges will be built and the toon will be united as has been seen in the past and although the owner and the directors will never be really loved they can be respected if they show that they want the best for NUFC and not only MASH Holdings.

warjacqui
warjacqui

Great article.  I must admit, after his voluntary speech on sky, if you had to measure my love for the "geordie girls are easy slags" duo or John "Thatchers dream" Hall, Ashley isn't quite so bad! (Unless he let's us down yet again). 

geordyjim
geordyjim

@warjacqui  Don't you mean WHEN he lets us down, I don't hold much hope with his track record.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@warjacqui "You lot don't know how horrible we can be". Have you forgotten that one already because of Ashley's 3 mins of BS?

Snowie
Snowie

I do not have a degree in economics therefore can somebody explain the logic of calling the one person who can invest in the team a fat bast**d at every opportunity

RexN
RexN

@Snowie You don't need a degree in Economics. As you say, he is the one man who CAN invest. He is also the man who has chosen NOT to invest for the last 7 years.


Economics describes one way of expressing likes, dislikes and preferences. Vocal expression is an alternative.

kuromori
kuromori

@sleenes Fair point but he has already been branded a known liar - by KK's employment tribunal, no less. How do you know when a liar's telling the truth?

GToon
GToon

But it needs to be a good few years too, not just a good summer. To put a downer on things if you think about it there are a number of players wanting to leave and a number out of contract so it was always going to be hectic anyway. It's what comes in that is purely intended to boost the starting 11 that matters to me. Who is the left back? Who will play centre half? A creative midfielder. Two goal scorers, one of whom needs to hold the ball up. Let's see.

1957
1957

Too true it needs to be a continual process and not just this summer, there needs to be a plan for the direction of the club and that can only come from the new coach, not the 'football board' or even supporters. It's why the new coach needs to have final say over transfers to ensure he fills the positions he needs with the players he feels comfortable with. That way there can be no confusion over who to blame if things go wrong.

It is also probably why Charnley will want to stick with 'the best coach in the Premier League' a puppet who will allow Charnley to retain his influence as main man at the club.

The choice of coach will say a lot about Ashley's real intentions.

RexN
RexN

Some interesting points and well done for having a go at airing your thoughts.


Perhaps your university Economics department should take a broader perspective on what is meant by "invest". Investment can take many forms, whether micro or macro, after all, some consideration should be given to the Keynes circular flow model. Some investments are short term, some for longer, some to increase revenue, some to reduce costs, some to enhance quality.


I look back at the likes of Cabaye. PSG were prepared to pay to secure later stages of the Champions League with the extra revenue that brings. His payback period was short. The same could be said for the likes of Ba and Remy at Chelsea.


As an economist, you could also take a different perspective on whether supporters should, as you put it, get behind the team. I am sure you will respect those of us who want to use market forces to make Ashley change, or leave.

Marklp
Marklp

Good article. Ashley has to get it right this summer because the whole world has listened to his interview and if we go into next season with carver as manager and a five million investment, he will be lucky if there is 30,000 at SJP. He isn't a stupid bloke and that interview was calculated, he will know that if he doesn't back it up he's in a world of pain. I also think that if he is a football fan as he claims, the atmospher on Sunday would be enough to want to take our club forward. As you say it's over to him but it's his last chance to succeed no more mistakes. even keegan says it's not him it's the clowns he employs.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@Marklp Can't be any meaningful change when he chooses people like Charnley to run the Club for him. He had the opportunity for all of this 7 years ago and instead of letting KK get on with the job, he had to put his cronies over him. 

Ashley's track record with football related appointments has been nothing short of comical. Sorry therefore, he plainly is a very stupid bloke when it comes to this football Club. Wise/Jimenez cost him KK. Kinnear (again) cost him his ally Llambias. Charnley gave us Carver and almost relegation again.

What's not so stupid about any of that?

1957
1957

Wow, that will certainly stir some people up on here describing Ashley as "...genuine, honest and very nice..." it just goes to show people aren't always all they seem. I once met Souness and surprisingly found him pleasant, open and amusing nothing like the opinionated prat he seems on tv.

I agree with the sentiment of the article about pulling together but Jonas was a good but never a great player, and Anita's performance was in no way the best performance by a Newcastle player at SJP over the last 15 years as well as he did play.

prestondave
prestondave

So, shall we just forget about the last 8 years and pretend nothing bad happened.? The only reason fatty came out to speak was because the way he has shockingly ran the club into the ground is now very much out in the open and the footballing world is watching. If it wasnt for that then wait for more of the same next season. Action speaks louder than words. Dont hold your breath.

Brian Standen
Brian Standen

Surprisingly I'm with you on this one , action do indeed speak louder than words!

gazchampion
gazchampion

@nad1892 @NUFCTheMag @JonathanComyn ...is that "up for sale", nad? 

I never looked at his interview as an advert but an interesting alternative?

Unfortunately, like EVERYTHING fatboy mike and his crew have said... I believe none of it until it actually happens. 

hah... FCB said continued investment? we'll see!