Layout 1In each issue of our magazine we ask a fan of another club to give their views on Newcastle United and it makes for interesting reading, how somebody outside our circle see our club and fans.

In the new issue out this weekend we talked to Stoke City fan, Jez Alcock, and here we give you a snapshot of what he had to say about Newcastle United, events at Stoke City and the football world in general.

To read the full interview and the rest of our 44 page relegation fight special, The Mag is now on sale in our online shop - buy a copy for only £3 (plus p&p) or a subscription from only £23, copies also now on sale in all Tyneside newsagents.

Do They Mean Us? Stoke City

What do you think of Newcastle…

As a club?

In my view, you can no more choose your football team than you can choose your parents. You may not want to see them, they may embarrass you, you may even want to disown them; but you can never change that reality! Football allegiances should be determined by your roots and not by consumer choice. My father was born in Stoke in 1929. He still goes to Stoke City with me as do my two sons. NUFC is a team rooted in its own community with a long and proud (underachieving) history much like Stoke City in essence. Hence I have real affection for the club.

The Manager?

I’m unconvinced by Pardew. It may be something prejudicial on my part to him being a Southerner. It may be due to the mistreatment of Chris Hughton (not Pardew’s fault) but I think the 8 year deal will be a proverbial albatross around the club’s neck. Pardew’s scouting network has signed some impressive players (note Demba Ba would have signed for Stoke had he not failed his medical) and his team (when fully staffed) play with verve so I don’t know why I’m ambivalent.

The fans?

As stated, you’re passionate and loyal (and long suffering). My Middlesbrough friend says you are all delusional and to point out that his side from a town of 130,000 population has been to two Domestic and one European Cup Final whilst you have been huffing and puffiing! Leaving that on one side, that passion led to the misguided second appointment of the Messianic Keegan in my view.

Our team?

As I’ve said, I have affection for your team, leaving tribal feelings aside. You’re too far away to have any regional rivalry playing and despite your supporter base being much larger than ours I think that we have more in common than that which divides us.

I see Michael Owen is still earning his money…?

Tony Pulis becomes occasionally star struck. Last season he dismantled the formidable Huth/Shawcross centre back pairing to accommodate an unfit Woodgate. This meant periodically playing Huth or Woodgate at right back: an unmitigated and entirely predictable disaster. Owen hasn’t been fit (surprise!) and whilst his deal will be largely performance related, I’m guessing he’s probably on a £10K a week deal which, if so, is half a million quid wasted. What is galling is the quality of Cameron Jerome who consistently comes on late and changes games. He did that against you and you will have seen his wonder strike against Southampton but had Owen been fit, Jerome would have been pushed further down the order.

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36 comments
Pulse33
Pulse33

I feel it could be disastrous if we do get relegated with the current side. The squad isnt good enough to get out of the championship again and I wouldnt count on Ashley leaving even if we do get relegated.  

PhilYare
PhilYare

its more likely to be the championship WITH mike ashley at the current rate of decline


lets not forget HE made disgraceful decisions that got us relegated.... can he do it again? of course he can! he still knows nowt about football and still operates on the same principles, only next time theres no Carroll or Nolan to get us back up 

Tadger
Tadger

I cannot believe that people still say be careful of what you wish for if that was the case Hitler would be alive and well (in principle). Perhaps 50,000 need to put $100 into fund employ an investment baker to find 30 40 investors to set up a buy out. With the proviso the idea is to have club that likes football and win things. We could even use Alleys cash model except spend some of the capital income 

1957
1957

Can't see the logic of the Hitler comment, I'm not sure many would still wish he was still here.

The involvement of an investment bank wouldn't necessarily change the present ethos of the club, their remit is to obtain the maximum possible profit for a minimum investment, they would chase profit first and trophies last. Buying NUFC would also be a considerable risk for investors because of the lack of physical assets of the club.

In reality if Ashley appointed a decent coach, released the purse strings and bought some good players we wouldn't need a change.

NufcToon
NufcToon

Ironic that the vote doesn't reflect the general fan feeling of its all fine il go no matter what. It's almost like abused wife syndrome

Tony Gill
Tony Gill

Any league without him -club is rotten to the core at the moment!

stepaylor
stepaylor

anything to have that sense of passion back at the club

Andrew Michael Grenon
Andrew Michael Grenon

Obviously I'd rather stay in the premier league, but this isn't a real choice.

MilitantGeordie
MilitantGeordie

I reckon spending two or three years in the championship would be the end of Ashley. When the club no longer makes him enough profit he'll be done with us. the real question is.. what state is he going to leave us in? that's what frightens me.. it's very possible we won't even have a club if he decides to recoup the full amount of the so called debt the clubs owes him.I'd definately take a few years in the lower leagues if it guaranteed he would bugger off. I can't wait for the day when that horrible vermin is no longer in my life.

v0ices
v0ices

@MilitantGeordie its very difficult for Ashley to call in a debt owed to himself don't believe everything the papers tell you.

NUFCTheMag
NUFCTheMag

It could be a @HowardLinskey plot but will it be a happy ending 4 after all the intrigue, underhand dealings and dodgy characters...?

HowardLinskey
HowardLinskey

@NUFCTheMag if I wrote it, it would end with a St Valentine's day massacre for Ashley and all of his spineless cronies. reclaimed.

lordi76
lordi76

He's a parasite and the quicker he is gone the better our only glimpse of him possibly leaving has diminished with the canny Scotts locking the door on a possible take over of Rangers yes at this point I would take relegation and it sickens me to say that as I want the club as far up the league as possible 

Paul Patterson
Paul Patterson

Anything to get out of this cycle of boring, insipid football that gets a few decent results via some decent signings, only for Christmas to arrive, a crisis to occur and then the remaining five months of the season is spent hoping that the season ends with three poorer teams than we are.

1957
1957

Relagation will not get rid of Ashley, the best hope for a change of ownership is someone/organisation being seduced by the EPL profitability of NUFC. The problem lies in the only people who could fund a purchase might, despite what supporters may think, be worse than Ashley. Hedge funds and investment banks would operate a very similar business plan to ensure returns to investors, minimum investment, maximum profit is their mantra.

We need to be careful what we wish for, as the Who said "...meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." or perhaps even more apt, "...get on our knees and pray, we don't get fooled again..."

A lex
A lex

@1957 Hedge funds and investment banks don't buy - they only act as brokers / intermediaries for others.

1957
1957

Slightly disagree, hedge funds collect monies from their investors and invest it in shares, acquisitions on the investors behalf. The acquisition is owned by the investors but managed by the hedge fund, a purchase of £250m would have typically in excess of 25 investors. The hedge fund holds control of the aquisition and their sole aim is to maximise returns at minimal cost.

Investment banks are slightly different, but their acquisitions arm operate in the same way as a hedge fund. They rarely act for individuals although the Glazer's did borrow from an investment bank to fund their purchase of Man U.

The last thing we need is a consortia approach, it is a recipe for disaster.

mickg
mickg

Championship & Rid Of

Alex Wilkinson
Alex Wilkinson

Championship ! At least we'd have our club back !

wor monga
wor monga

Championship no way…next time we’d do a ‘Wigan’


…we only got back the last time because we managed to keep a backbone of solid English players who didn’t mind getting stuck in and playing at that level.


…we don’t have that now, and reality would bite hard…for all those far flung Mag voters who can see that silver lining shining just over the far horizon. 

Roppa
Roppa

As long as Ashley remains the owner, the Club will be steeped in disharmony, mistrust & deception. Furthermore, all hope of winning a trophy will be extinguished. All hope & ambition will cease to exist & the passion of the supporters will continue to be abused until it too has been obliterated! 

More of the same, or time for a change? I know what most fans would want, and it's certainly not more of the same!

SGM
SGM

@Roppa Careful what you wish for! remember the wish, that Pardew would quit.


Look what happened.

A lex
A lex

@SGM @Roppa Just means it's getting worse for Ashley, too, and that's what we want. Once it becomes too awkward for him, then he'll sell up. Pardew going makes it just that bit more difficult, so despite Carver's inadequacies, I'm delighted he has the job at this moment, because it's another small step along the road to Ashley effing off.

Roppa
Roppa

@SGM @Roppa Pardew's departure was long overdue, and any 'caring' owner would have sacked him months before he left. It was an opportunity for Ashley to 'stick' with mediocrity (at the very best) or to 'twist' with a modicum of ambition - and inexplicably he chose to 'stick' (with Carver). At least Ashley's true intent has been further exposed. 

It is important to retain a sense of hope - at least of playing some decent football  - under Pardew (and Carver) there was / is none - so effectively we are no better or worse off!

Emmett Gill
Emmett Gill

Championship, lower league football, or even starting again from scratch. Look at the example of AFC Wimbledon. Even if you start again from scratch it only takes a few years before you get back to where you belong.

Jarra MIck
Jarra MIck

Championship was a great season wouldn't mind it although it would probably take more than one to see him off. Would be interested to see how many voted?

David Grey
David Grey

Championship without him.....even League 1 if that's what it takes to get the parasite out.