DembaBa14After Saturday’s game vs. City and now the inevitable rumble of speculation surrounding Demba Ba, his famous contract clause, and the will he/won’t he leave debate; I thought I’d weigh in with an opinion.

From the outside looking in, it’s a case of having an educated guess about certain things, but this is how I see it at the moment.

After the arrival of Papiss Cisse last January, Demba Ba was shifted out to the left of a front three and he played there for the remainder of the season. He scored once, on 5th February against Aston Villa and, as we all know, Cisse went and bagged 13!

We played some clinical football during that period; think West Brom, Swansea and Chelsea away. I had forgotten about Cisse’s second goal at Swansea, YouTube it now if you have to! However, off the pitch Demba Ba had a wee grumble and moaned about having to play on the left. Then, in the summer, we all sweated over certain players leaving and Pardew announced Ba would play through the middle, probably “90%” of the time this season.

Now we are where we are, and I think it is there for everyone to see, that there’s an issue between Ba &Cisse, which is proving detrimental to our season. Yes, Ba is scoring goals but clearly the team was, and is, better off when Cisse is played through the middle and Ba plays on the left.

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Pardew promised Ba that he will get his game through the middle and probably didn’t realise just how much it would affect Cisse’s form, and the team as a whole.

PapissCisse46Cisse’s performances this season make it clear he is wasted in a role out wide. He looked well and truly fed up after he was subbed on Saturday, I noticed a few animated shrugs and some arm waving between him and Ba regarding movement and passing, or in Ba’s case, not passing.

There appears to be no joy in playing them as a front two either, only briefly against Stoke and Wigan did it look like there might be a connection.

It’s a bit of a pickle now as the rumours start about Ba moving on; maybe it would be better if he just went? To me, he seems to be getting preferential treatment from Pardew about where he plays, purely because Pardew seems scared to lose him.

To move the team forward, I’m starting to think we would be better off without him. If we did sell him, it would force Pardew and hopefully Ashley’s hand, we would need at least 1 replacement, a proper strike partner for Cisse or a proper winger/wide forward to compliment him in a 4-3-3. If nothing is done then Pardew needs to find a way to fit them both in, or rotate them.

It’s a sad example of player power winning over and it shouldn’t have been allowed to get this far. But then imagine the fan revolt if, in the summer, Pardew had said to Ba he should play where he is told and then Ba jumps ship?

January will be interesting, something has to give, we can’t go on all season playing the two of them in a 4-3-3 and no progress has been made with the two of them playing as a partnership.

Thoughts?

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35 comments
Pulse33
Pulse33

I feel it could be disastrous if we do get relegated with the current side. The squad isnt good enough to get out of the championship again and I wouldnt count on Ashley leaving even if we do get relegated.  

PhilYare
PhilYare

its more likely to be the championship WITH mike ashley at the current rate of decline


lets not forget HE made disgraceful decisions that got us relegated.... can he do it again? of course he can! he still knows nowt about football and still operates on the same principles, only next time theres no Carroll or Nolan to get us back up 

Tadger
Tadger

I cannot believe that people still say be careful of what you wish for if that was the case Hitler would be alive and well (in principle). Perhaps 50,000 need to put $100 into fund employ an investment baker to find 30 40 investors to set up a buy out. With the proviso the idea is to have club that likes football and win things. We could even use Alleys cash model except spend some of the capital income 

NufcToon
NufcToon

Ironic that the vote doesn't reflect the general fan feeling of its all fine il go no matter what. It's almost like abused wife syndrome

Tony Gill
Tony Gill

Any league without him -club is rotten to the core at the moment!

stepaylor
stepaylor

anything to have that sense of passion back at the club

Andrew Michael Grenon
Andrew Michael Grenon

Obviously I'd rather stay in the premier league, but this isn't a real choice.

MilitantGeordie
MilitantGeordie

I reckon spending two or three years in the championship would be the end of Ashley. When the club no longer makes him enough profit he'll be done with us. the real question is.. what state is he going to leave us in? that's what frightens me.. it's very possible we won't even have a club if he decides to recoup the full amount of the so called debt the clubs owes him.I'd definately take a few years in the lower leagues if it guaranteed he would bugger off. I can't wait for the day when that horrible vermin is no longer in my life.

v0ices
v0ices

@MilitantGeordie its very difficult for Ashley to call in a debt owed to himself don't believe everything the papers tell you.

NUFCTheMag
NUFCTheMag

It could be a @HowardLinskey plot but will it be a happy ending 4 after all the intrigue, underhand dealings and dodgy characters...?

HowardLinskey
HowardLinskey

@NUFCTheMag if I wrote it, it would end with a St Valentine's day massacre for Ashley and all of his spineless cronies. reclaimed.

lordi76
lordi76

He's a parasite and the quicker he is gone the better our only glimpse of him possibly leaving has diminished with the canny Scotts locking the door on a possible take over of Rangers yes at this point I would take relegation and it sickens me to say that as I want the club as far up the league as possible 

Paul Patterson
Paul Patterson

Anything to get out of this cycle of boring, insipid football that gets a few decent results via some decent signings, only for Christmas to arrive, a crisis to occur and then the remaining five months of the season is spent hoping that the season ends with three poorer teams than we are.

1957
1957

Relagation will not get rid of Ashley, the best hope for a change of ownership is someone/organisation being seduced by the EPL profitability of NUFC. The problem lies in the only people who could fund a purchase might, despite what supporters may think, be worse than Ashley. Hedge funds and investment banks would operate a very similar business plan to ensure returns to investors, minimum investment, maximum profit is their mantra.

We need to be careful what we wish for, as the Who said "...meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." or perhaps even more apt, "...get on our knees and pray, we don't get fooled again..."

A lex
A lex

@1957 Hedge funds and investment banks don't buy - they only act as brokers / intermediaries for others.

1957
1957

Slightly disagree, hedge funds collect monies from their investors and invest it in shares, acquisitions on the investors behalf. The acquisition is owned by the investors but managed by the hedge fund, a purchase of £250m would have typically in excess of 25 investors. The hedge fund holds control of the aquisition and their sole aim is to maximise returns at minimal cost.

Investment banks are slightly different, but their acquisitions arm operate in the same way as a hedge fund. They rarely act for individuals although the Glazer's did borrow from an investment bank to fund their purchase of Man U.

The last thing we need is a consortia approach, it is a recipe for disaster.

mickg
mickg

Championship & Rid Of

Alex Wilkinson
Alex Wilkinson

Championship ! At least we'd have our club back !

wor monga
wor monga

Championship no way…next time we’d do a ‘Wigan’


…we only got back the last time because we managed to keep a backbone of solid English players who didn’t mind getting stuck in and playing at that level.


…we don’t have that now, and reality would bite hard…for all those far flung Mag voters who can see that silver lining shining just over the far horizon. 

Roppa
Roppa

As long as Ashley remains the owner, the Club will be steeped in disharmony, mistrust & deception. Furthermore, all hope of winning a trophy will be extinguished. All hope & ambition will cease to exist & the passion of the supporters will continue to be abused until it too has been obliterated! 

More of the same, or time for a change? I know what most fans would want, and it's certainly not more of the same!

SGM
SGM

@Roppa Careful what you wish for! remember the wish, that Pardew would quit.


Look what happened.

A lex
A lex

@SGM @Roppa Just means it's getting worse for Ashley, too, and that's what we want. Once it becomes too awkward for him, then he'll sell up. Pardew going makes it just that bit more difficult, so despite Carver's inadequacies, I'm delighted he has the job at this moment, because it's another small step along the road to Ashley effing off.

Roppa
Roppa

@SGM @Roppa Pardew's departure was long overdue, and any 'caring' owner would have sacked him months before he left. It was an opportunity for Ashley to 'stick' with mediocrity (at the very best) or to 'twist' with a modicum of ambition - and inexplicably he chose to 'stick' (with Carver). At least Ashley's true intent has been further exposed. 

It is important to retain a sense of hope - at least of playing some decent football  - under Pardew (and Carver) there was / is none - so effectively we are no better or worse off!

Emmett Gill
Emmett Gill

Championship, lower league football, or even starting again from scratch. Look at the example of AFC Wimbledon. Even if you start again from scratch it only takes a few years before you get back to where you belong.

Jarra MIck
Jarra MIck

Championship was a great season wouldn't mind it although it would probably take more than one to see him off. Would be interested to see how many voted?

David Grey
David Grey

Championship without him.....even League 1 if that's what it takes to get the parasite out.