Sunday 28 October 3pm

Newcastle United 2 (Ba 35, Cisse 90)
West Brom 1

Alan Pardew kept everybody guessing but went with only one enforced change from the sunderland match, Perch coming in for the suspended Tiote in midfield.

We seemed to switch back and forwards between a 442 and 433, Shola at times ending up as the right hand side of the front three and other times drifting into the middle.

In the opening half the team layout seemed to work in some ways, especially Ben Arfa and Santon teaming up on the left, no surprise there really as they are arguably our two most talented players.

On the other wing it tended to end up as a bit of a Shola/Simpson combo which probably isn’t ideal, though it did almost supply the opening goal. Shola crossing straight onto the head of Demba Ba who put it just wide when he should have scored.

This was quickly followed by a long range Santon effort that Ben Foster did we to push behind.

However, West Brom were creating chances as well and following their blueprint from last season when they looked to play the ball on the ground behind our central defenders.

Today though we had Tim Krul in blinding form as he made two world class saves each time Lukaku got through one on one.

Ten minutes before half-time and we had a goal from an alternative route; Krul’s long ball was headed on by Shola and this time Ba coolly got the ball under control and lashed it past Foster.

A better contribution from Ameobi after he’d just lashed a shot high and wide when Ben Arfa had brilliantly beat four players and crossed the ball to give Shola the chance to control it and then have a free shot on goal or feed Cabaye who had bust a gut to support him.

West Brom came out and took the game by the scruff of the neck and you can hardly claim they didn’t deserve to equalise. Both Shola and Simpson stood off Gera who crossed fro Lukaku to at last beat an exposed Krul.

Pardew did his best to mix things up but to little effect, Shola & Simpson replaced by Cisse and Obertan with Santon going to right-back and Jonas dropping to left full-back.

This was then followed by Demba Ba heading off injured and Sammy Ameobi going on the left and Ben Arfa a kind of roaming role.

In all honesty United were at sixes and sevens a lot of the time as they battled away but struggled to keep possession and/or orchestrate any kind of threat to the visitors.

While Sammy Ameobi showed a willingness to take on and beat his man at times, on the other side Gabriel Obertan failed miserably to build on any confidence carried over from his winner against Brugge. His ‘performance’ summed up by two occasions when Newcastle were breaking and instead of carrying the ball he elected to pass the buck/ball to somebody only a few yards ahead of him and each time lost the ball. To an extent you can improve a player’s skills but is it possible to give them confidence/heart?

Hatem Ben Arfa might not be somebody who goes flying into tackles but he has got a lot of bottle, like the rest of his teammates nothing had gone for him in the second-half but even in injury time he doesn’t give up easily.

Once again he was prepared to carry the ball and rode a couple of tackles before cynically brought down around fifteen yards from the eighteen yard box, advantage played and Sammy Ameobi hits a relatively harmless looking shot from the left that somehow eludes Ben Foster. From the Leazes End it was hard to tell but I’m reliably told it came off Papiss Cisse’s backside, bum deal!

I for one won’t apologise to anybody for a bit of luck going our way, especially after the spawny mackems last week.

Fingers crossed on Demba Ba’s fitness but I’m certainly not betting against Papiss Cisse going on a run now that things have turned his way.

Alan Pardew;

“They always say that if you’re on a barren run you get one off your bum or shin, then it gets you going. Hopefully that will because it is nice to have a striker scoring, Demba Ba scored today but then got injured so we are going to look to Papiss now.

He just feels like there is a nerve issue going on, so we are going to have to inspect that and see what it turns up this week”.

Newcastle United: Krul, Simpson (Cisse 61), Williamson, Coloccini, Santon, Ben Arfa, Perch, Cabaye, Jonas, Shola (Obertan 61), Ba (Sammy Ameobi 73)

Unused Subs: Harper, Ferguson, Steven Taylor, Anita

West Brom: Foster, Tamas, McAuley, Olsson, Ridgewell, Mulumbu, Morrison, Odemwingie, Gera (Popov 88), Dorrans (Rosenberg 72), Lukaku (Long 65)

Referee: Chris Foy

Crowd: 49,731 (1,400 Away Fans)

 

39 comments
G Dubz
G Dubz

@Cuse Agree with some of the points, we shouldnt throw money into panic buys, that said, as with any market (lets look at economics and money here like Ashley does) if more money is flushing around we get inflation, an increase in prices. TV revenue has gone wild the last two years. Other leagues, players and agents all know premier league clubs have a wod of extra cash to play with so theres a premium for what could be considered medicore players.

There is a danger we pay over the top for flops. As you say, if we do we arent learning from mistakes. The other danger is we ignore the changing market and refuse to pay more money in line with our competitors and get left behind.

An already threadbare and poor quality squad needs some investment or we will go down, especially with the mood another barren window will put the fans in. The plight of our team and the TV money mean that those clubs selling players know we are getting desperate- and that we have money to spend.

Quibbling for £3m on Austin, having "transfer meeting" after meeting with no end result, no fans forum before the end of the season.... After 8 years of deceit Ashley needs to get the fans back onside and the only way he will is spending some money.

Chemical Dave
Chemical Dave

They certainly were, we avoided relegation on the last day.

Cuse
Cuse

@G Dubz Good points. But there's another element I believe has been overlooked up to now. 

If you were Mclaren - wouldn't you have wanted some time after taking the job to make sure you were going to get players you wanted - not just taking what the other members of the Football board told you you should have? If that's the case - weren't NUFC fans complaining about the manager not having enough influence under Pardew?


I believe the team needs investment, like everyone else. I just believe the majority of fans already throwing their toys out of the pram about lack of ambition in the Summer haven't learned the lessons from the recent past.


And as for whether we're quibbling over money or having endless transfer meetings - do you know what? I just don't believe it. Frankly, I've never seen so many dubious quotes appearing in the Chronicle about sources and "it is understood" etc etc etc. Wait for the end of the Summer window, then pass judgement. Before then, you're just clueless and ranting.

Demented_Man
Demented_Man

@Cuse @G Dubz "Clueless and ranting" eh?  Clearly, some of us have learnt nothing from the last eight years of skinflint transfer dealing. 

As for McLaren being hesitant about signing players, I honestly believe he has no real influence whatsoever.  He is a last resort and took the job as a last resort.

zemtex
zemtex

@Demented_ManWe had exactly the same naysaying last summer then we signed 8 players in a week. 

zemtex
zemtex

@Chemical Dave Probably Janmaat. I recall people on here predicting a top 8 finish after those signings

Cuse
Cuse

Let's look at these clubs who are apparently, more ambitious than NUFC. And excellent acquisitions, eh? Isn't hindsight wonderful. I guarantee that the author of this piece wouldn't have cited a single one of them as worth buying until their names appeared in the tabloids.  Then as soon as "£10m player signs for...", NUFC fans get rabid.


Swansea? Yes, they have one or two "big name signings", but the rest of the squad is still paid Championship wages making the former possible - making their overall business model healthy. NUFC? We're still paying the price for years of paying no-marks outrageous salaries.


Southampton? Good business model. Buy players cheap on modest wages from unknown leagues (Austria) and sell them expensively. Sound familiar? Give them 2 or 3 more years and we'll see if its still working for them.


West Ham? Seriously? Because they've done what West Ham always do which is splurge mega cash on anyone available, they're more "ambitious" than us? Are NUFC fans really that daft?


Everton? A well run, relatively stingy club with a strict wage policy and has been for years. It lives off its youth setup - something NUFC is trying (not very well, granted) to replicate.


Stoke? They've had 2 decent seasons and consistency at management level until recently. Now they're benefiting from it. NUFC fans would have burnt down St James' if Pulis was ever put in charge of our team. Yet he's left Hughes with a fantastic setup.


Sometimes, I despair at the utter lack of common sense that NUFC fans possess. We have been a club run like Leeds for years. The fact we didn't enter the abyss like them should be celebrated. Yes, we could spend more - but I refuse to follow this herd of grumbling idiots who find conspiracy in every other clubs' actions.


If we haven't signed players to strengthen the team by the close of the Transfer window - then fine. But by not buying Dimitri Payet for £10m like West Ham (I mean really. Which of you had ever heard of the kid until he signed for the Hammers) does not signal Ashley is siphoning money off. It really doesn't.

Chemical Dave
Chemical Dave

You think fans of other clubs would like Ashley ad their owner ? You think they weren't laughing at Kinnear dof ? We're a joke, they have a good right to laugh.

zemtex
zemtex

@NottsToon Payet is class, his stats speak for themselves. As did Cabella's in the same league. 


I've felt my hatred for the club soften over the last month and I think I've finally realised why that is. I think it's a sense of schadenfreude at watching nasty, pompous, arrogant people like yourself get wound up. The guy above you made a series of valid points and instead of engaging them you dismiss them all out of hand and go for an ad hominem attack. What a self-righteous prick you are


I mean 'wake up dopey'. How up your own @rse do you need to be to say that to someone. 

Cuse
Cuse

@zemtex @NottsToon


I find the whole thing despairing. Watching NUFC used to be fun. NUFC fans used to be fun.


But the emergence of these sort of rabid, spittle-inflected rants on internet comment boards has allowed the ne'er do wells to thrive.


And now, I'm really going to bring the house down.


Have we ever considered why fans of other clubs laugh at us? 

1) We believe and communicate that being a "big club" we have a divine right to be successful. Yet when clubs "smaller" than us do better than us, we patronise them, talk about crowd size and generally tell them they don't deserve it.

2) For time immemorial we have equated having "name" players with success. "Name" players that other clubs wouldn't touch with a barge pole

Cuse
Cuse

@NottsToon Wow.


You have literally no self-awareness, do you?

NottsToon
NottsToon

Dimitri Payet is an international footballer who I think many will have heard of. Don't confuse your own lack of knowledge with truth.

The fact is that all the above clubs are trying to improve their lot and are signing players to do this whilst we still have the same central defenders we were relegated with. See the problem yet?

And it is the club who have told us that we can't compete with these clubs, not the posters of The Mag.

Wake up dopey.

NottsToon
NottsToon

The guy above me used selective points to create a narrative to reinforce the flawed conclusion which he reached, blatantly ignoring the actual conclusion which is happening right now.

Your personal feeling towards me are irrelevant, I've been called worse by better.

Chemical Dave
Chemical Dave

Do you get upset that fans of other clubs laugh at us ? Have you ever been to s match ?

zemtex
zemtex

@NottsToon Well maybe have a go at addressing those one sided points rather than being condescending. 

zemtex
zemtex

@Chemical Dave I don't know if you're talking to me or not, but to answer your questions. Yes and yes. Now can you tell me why that justifies toon fans turning on toon fans for slight disagreements in opinions? Can you tell me why a bunch of adults need to resort to name calling?

Chemical Dave
Chemical Dave

Don't be so sensitive man, fans of other clubs laugh at each other...maybe football's not for you ?

zemtex
zemtex

@Chemical Dave Tbh, I don't care that they laugh at us, I care that they have a reason to laugh at us. What winds me up on here though is that whenever someone says something slightly contrarian they're met with a wave of condescension from people who think they're experts on  runninng a football club. That NottsToon bloke I've seen talking down to people making decent points so many times... and he's not the only one. If there's one thing I hate it's arrogance.

NottsToon
NottsToon

Sorry, I thought this was football discussion rather than a personal development seminar. My mistake.

Cuse
Cuse

Here's a suggestion.


Instead of equating big name players, signed in a hurry for huge fees and ridiculous wages with "success" or "ambition" or being a "big club", why not look at how that's worked out for us in the past 20-odd years?


Oh look. We won nothing. We had a throttling debt pile which meant more of each season's revenue was spent servicing debt not investing.


The mentality of NUFC fans on the Mag and Chronicle comment boards is frankly, insane. Yes, we need more players. But to insist on any muppet with a semi-famous name is suicide.



PaulMurray1
PaulMurray1

Sorry Mag fans, but if I were one of you I would be worried with McLaren at the helm, failed miserably in every major post he's ever had and bottled it with Derby last season

Blackandwhiteblood
Blackandwhiteblood

@PaulMurray1 Because your manager has won more than McClaren? Didn''t really put much thought into that, did you? Then again, Everton fan? Nuff said really.

toon tony
toon tony

At this rate we'll struggle to keep up with. ...WATFORD, BOURNEMOUTH and NORWICH.

Shipcote Willy
Shipcote Willy

You nailed it Dan. They are still using the same methods that made Ashley a huge profit but left the team in dire straights. It's the same old same old and they are oblivious to the trouble the club is in.

Andrew Swift
Andrew Swift

Can Newcastle catch up with Bournemouth?

Porciestreet
Porciestreet

As a statement, that does not bear thnking about. You couldn't even believe that as a dream would ever be possible would ya. Ashley Out  !!!!!..

amacdee
amacdee

The worst thing about Fatman, and there are millions of things to throw at him and his regime, is that we're failing to match Premier League teams season by season. 


First it was Tottenham, then Tottenham and Everton, then Tottenham, Everton and Swansea and now  Tottenham, Everton, Swansea and Saints This season it'll be Stoke and West Ham the next. So eventually we'll be genuine bottom four material in six or seven years time.


So now you know the true meaning of the term "Death by a Thousand cuts".

Porciestreet
Porciestreet

@paulgowland1973 @amacdee 

For fkucs sake you lot, the bloody window has only just opened and we havn't even kicked a ball yet and weve been relegated already . Go and have a night on the Broon ale, then you'll know what it's like to be miserable. I'm so pleased that I didn't live my life in such negativity. Yes, we have been a shower of 5h!t, but give it a chance eh.....!

toonterrier
toonterrier

Maybe these so called smaller clubs have a five year plan to get them up the table and into Europe with the possibility of winning domestic cups. Or maybe they're using there heads and their money to do what we should but wont do. Good luck to them.

PabloBrown
PabloBrown

@toonterrier So called smaller clubs? Do people think Newcastle are bigger than the mentioned clubs? Newcastle have a bigger local following than these clubs,but that doesn't make them a bigger club.

Mal44
Mal44

We are bigger than most of them, but not successful. There is a difference.

desree
desree

what matters is what players and agents think and if they don't see us as a big club, then the rest is just fluff to satisfy arguments with mackems

ArtyH
ArtyH

O.K so define what is a big club. NUFC has home gates nearly every week of over 50k, and possibly the highest levels of money in the bank of any other EPL team, most of the top 10 clubs are in debt. Oh we know we are a crap team in a very bad place right now, but NUFC is a big club, its just being run very badly by the current owner. A decent custodian with a little football knowledge could make NUFC a top 3 club and make himself a fortune. After all a fortune has been made on the back of the club and its been run down for the last 8 years, with some decent management and investment it could be the entertainers again on Tyneside, just needs the right moves.

Cuse
Cuse

@ArtyH Oh god, here we go again.


The big club argument.


What has that got to do with anything?

ArtyH
ArtyH

@Cuse @ArtyH  My humble opinion for the other side of the argument or if you like a balance for the sake of it. We keyboards warriors like our say and sometimes it conflicts with other opinions. Big is relative and in the case of football is quite objective, if I had enough crayons I would explain but I think it would be a waste of time.

Andgeo
Andgeo

Simple answer is no. Those other clubs are not incumbered by mike ashley.