As if it wasn’t bad enough Harry Redknapp openly speculating about Demba Ba’s contract position, we now have West Ham’s Joint Chairman, David Sullivan, doing the same. Are we finding the true ‘Cockney Mafia’ here, all banding together because ‘them Geordie’ have got one over on them?

Whatever the legalities of the situation, it surely has to be totally morally out of order for a club owner to be talking so openly about what a former employee might or might not have in his contract.

In an interview with independent West Ham website www.westhamtillidie.com, David Sullivan alleges that Demba Ba would get half of anything over £7m if Newcastle sell him.

I don’t know what I believe in relation to Ba’s contract but what I am sure of is that West Ham massively cocked things up and that Sullivan is one bitter man. Result!

Ian Dale (Westhamtillidie): How did that work?  (In relation to Demba Ba allegedly having a get out if West Ham relegated) Did we pay money to Hoffenheim?

David Sullivan: I’ll tell you exactly what happened. We wanted to loan him, but Hoffenheim said they wouldn’t loan him as they could get 6 million euros for him from Stoke. He then failed the medical at Stoke. I went back and asked to loan him again. Again they said no, but they would sell him to us. So we paid 500,000 euros down, which was almost like a loan fee, and then we’d pay 5 ½ million euros starting the next season depending on how many games he played – one level of payment in the Championship, one level of payment on the Premier League. I’ll have to make the figures up because I can’t remember, but something like 25,000 euros a game in the Premier League and 10,000 euros in the Championship. Demba Ba signed a three and a half year contract with us. We had a deal where his salary would be halved if we were relegated. He said, “Well on that basis, I have got to be allowed to walk if we get relegated”. What we should have said in retrospect – but none of us thought he would score so many goals – is that we’d be happy to give him £40 grand a week in the Championship. In the end I offered him £45 grand a week to stay but he wouldn’t take it. What we should have said was that if we don’t halve your salary, you haven’t got a get-out. The failure to put that one line in the contract cost us very, very dearly. As I say, he was on £35 grand a week and I offered him £45 grand a week to stay, but he went to Newcastle. His agent got £2 million to take him to Newcastle.

ID: So do Newcastle now have to pay to Hoffenheim the money you would have had to pay?

DS: No. That’s why Newcastle could always outbid us. It was our deal with Hoffenheim.

ID: So Hoffenheim got stuffed, then.

DS: Yup, they got half a million for him. This didn’t work for anyone except Demba Ba… and Newcastle. I’m told he’s got a £7 million get-out at Newcastle and he gets half the money over that. They keep denying it but I think you’ll see in the summer he will leave Newcastle or he’ll get a monstrous rise to stay there. If they get about four million, half will go to him, so if they sell him for £7 million they’ll only net about three because they paid his agent £2 million to get him out of here. Getting £3 million is not bad, but for a player of his quality it’s not fantastic. It’s one of those mistakes that happen, but it’s probably one of the worst mistakes I have ever made in my life. It just didn’t enter our heads. it didn’t enter anybody’s head that he’d score enough goals that we’d want to give him £40k a week and his old club £15/20k an appearance and we’d still be relegated. In reality that’s exactly what happened. The agent just threw it in at the last minute. He said “Obviously if his salary is cut by 50% you’ve got to let him walk”. We thought, OK, if we get relegated, do we really want a £40k a week striker in the Championship? Well, we would have because he was devastating. If he was with us now and his knee had held up, because remember, he did have a very very bad knee, I think we’d be 15 points clear, I really do. He’d be cutting through those defences. You live and you learn.

 

61 comments
ilullissat
ilullissat

Totally agree with this article.The secrecy and the way the club is run wouldnt be out of place in North Korea.

EastStander
EastStander

Dear notts toon. Why dont you kust copy and paste the same anti fan posts you always do to save you time every week?.....oh wait YOU HAVE. And this fool will still be there tomorrow giving my all and hoping we stay up.

Chemical Dave
Chemical Dave

I can't stand the thought of us going down yet I can't stand the thought of us staying up for more of the same....for that's what we'll get. Stay up and nowt will change, go down and something might. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Greekgeordie
Greekgeordie

The decision to attend is down to the individual, who are you to tell 50000 what to do, I wished Pardew out but on the right time and when a suitable replacement was in place, you probably are one that facilitated Pardew's exit, by protesting, boycotting and demonstrating regardless of the outcome. the results of your actions are clear for anyone to see. 


Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@Demented_Man @Greekgeordie Wouldn't like to steal the only thing you appear to be good at.

Try reading the mans own quotes during interviews, instead of continuing the misguided and completely incorrect folklore of crybaby 'supporters'.

If you care not to listen to his own words than that explains everything.



LeazesEnder
LeazesEnder

Absolutely agree... a pub side that can fill a stadium doesn't need to become professional or have ambition and those turning up just to meet their mates for a 'matchday' experience are a huge part of the problem....


I identified it years ago, it doesn't take a genius to see that there is an 'ouroborus' of destruction in the relationship between a conservative docile and hostile press.... a huge fan base.... and a club that has no ambition.... only by driving a wedge between the elements can we hope to go forward.


Even Pardew recognised the club as 'one of the largest in world football'.... it didn't stop him agreeing to run it as that 'Pub' club!


Too many fans just don't care, in this, an area that has had its heart ripped out of it by changes in its industry, its become a docile onlooker as other areas lift the trophies of life.


Northern Powerhouse of football....my eye.... more of the same more likely.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@LeazesEnder too true - we have become the practical application of "be careful what you wish for".

I for one wish for a whole lot more and am prepared to do something about it.

East_Stander
East_Stander

I take exception to the assertion that me and 50000 others are the problem. I am as unhappy as the next fan about the shambles Ashley has created but anyone who thinks NUFC being relegated will get rid of him is deluded!

Being relegated will only keep him here longer. The bloke buys failing businesses and makes a profit. He has no track record of selling When the price is low which is what the case would be if we go down!

By attending the match I am not approving Ashley or Carver or condoning the performances on the pitch but I am hoping that the loyal 50000 can push the 11 individuals on the pitch to keep the institution that is NUFC in the top division. I was there before Keegan and stayed when we last got relegated so have witnesses the dross that is the 2nd tier and do not want to see it again.

There will be NUFC after Ashley be that 1 year or 30 years time. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on how best to get rid of him but any 'fan' having a go at others for wanting to support the team maybe should get themselves along to watch a top 4 club where support is fickle!

Ron Knee
Ron Knee

@East_Stander But if we aren't relegated, how do you see next season unfolding? Do you think Ashley will make the necessary changes and investments? I don't!

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@East_Stander He's tried to sell the Club three times now and went as low as 80 million. Plainly your argument is factually incorrect.

East_Stander
East_Stander

No I don't think things will change. But i don't think things will change if we go down either!

LeazesEnder
LeazesEnder

@East_Stander Don't take it personally, but you are condoning the way the club is run..... you are one of the fans who Lee Ryder would describe as wanting nothing from the club but effort....


.... It is a problem.... a huge fan base allows the club the luxury to fail and fail.... 

East_Stander
East_Stander

I can't remember any factual recent information recently, particularly in light of the new TV deals suggesting he would take £80 Million?

East_Stander
East_Stander

Anyway lads I am not against your position and have probably been there at times myself over the last few years. I guarantee I am against Ashley as much as anyone and hate watching what he has done, I just can't agree that getting relegated will solve anything except Sky making a big song and dance about fans crying, the Mackems taking the piss and every other team bringing it up everywhere we go on our holidays or for work!

So I am for the sit in protest and anything else once we are safe!

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@East_Stander Barry Moat, 2009. Factually correct and reported on nationally.

"Newcastle owner Mike Ashley has rejected the latest £80 million offer from prospective buyer Barry Moat despite it meeting terms he indicated would be acceptable less than a week ago."

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@East_Stander I think our PL history of late with the Mackem's has provided them with enough pi@@ taking opportunities. 

If we go down it will have zero to do with the support given or the support withheld.


Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@East_Stander Aye, coz we came back up as record breaking Champions. Fickle fans once again forgot all about everything and Ashley got back on the gravy train.

He's never faced the same again until now - hence this argument or debate.

East_Stander
East_Stander

To be honest you could be right. Personally I just can't face the pain of watching us fall to perhaps lower than we have ever been with absolutely no guarantees of a new owner to bring us back to where we all want to be.

As I say each to their own and I totally get where your coming from but I would rather take my chances that someone would rather buy a Premier League club off him. We the fans definitely need to pressurise him, the sit in and alternative fans shirt are good ideas but in my opinion there is a line between being a constant thorn in his side and pushing him to destroy the club.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@East_Stander Fatty can't make his mind up to sell even when he had the chance. He just see's 000's. That is what NUFC is to him and MASH.

Why does he care about 250 million? He lost 300 million on a punt with HBoS shares and he's still worth close to 4 Billion quid. Never batted an eyelid. Gambled 43 million on Tesco shares while saying he's not prepared to 'bankroll' the Club.

Sat on 53 million of cash/profit this season and here we are with no manager/coach, a BoD soon to consist of only him and Charnley with no FD in place and a team full of cut price chancers bought purposefully to sell on.



Want a club that tries
Want a club that tries

I read on one of the posts on here, (I can't remember who off ) but when the club was up for £100 million he had 2 offers on the table and he never even looked at them, also he did not turn up for a meeting with the Arabs who bought Man City,, he doesn't and has never wanted to sell the club, in my oppinion he is more than happy to get all this free advertising,, he wants 280 million, what did liverpool sell for? NUFC will never sell for that kind of money, I repeat he has no intension of selling, he makes to much money out of the advertising,,

What is needed is more bad publicity about his companies and boycott off his stores,

Alexh1984
Alexh1984

'If your going to the match your part of the problem'

Well I disagree. It's becoming increasingly obvious that fans like yourself who boycott every game and call for nothing else are having no effect whatsoever.

Things are getting worse, not better. Some fans have boycotted for years and what has it achieved? Nothing.

Fair enough as a personal statement of not giving Ashley your money but that's all it is.

The fans are filtering away into this idea of 'boycotting's the only way' but it won't work as they are replaced by less passionate or even non supporters on a cheap day out.

If we had all the boycotters back this Sunday the AshleyOut sit in would work brilliantly.

Liverpool fans didn't boycott they protested, Blackpool fans last week did the same.

I'm afraid over the years many have just quietly wandered away and that is why we'll never succeed, those who want change the most have gone.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@Alexh1984 Well, the flaw in that argument (Liverpool) is self evident. Comparing NUFC to Liverpool is the very problem this Club is facing under Ashley. All good and well still going to the match and demonstrating when your team is battling for the PL, domestic and Euro honours - but what do we have? Oh to be in their or Arsenals shoes, yet their supporters aren't accused of being deluded are they?

Pay your money, turn up and be prepared for nothing other than PL existence? All that does is ensure the ground stays full and we endorse the very shyte he is shoveling down our throats.

This is the bloke who even did away with singing sections as he doesn't want to hear our protests! Until we can make sure a boycott means a boycott and a protest means thousands, or tens of thousands, going along to the match and waving a a piece of paper for 5 mins is going to achieve nothing.

Alexh1984
Alexh1984

You missed Blackpool also used as a comparison so the flaw comes straight back at you I'm afraid.

As much as I agree that a long term sustained boycott would work it simply won't happen. It hasn't in the history of football. People will always go no matter what so instead of chasing a impossible dream why not move on and try other approaches?

Again a sit in will make a statement. Draw attention if nothing else.

We've been completely missing the point, sadly the boycotters are the minority, that's fact. We need to get the non boycotters on side to show in the largest possible way (number wise) that we've had enough.

To do that successfully the return of boycotters would be a huge help.

We need to move on.

NottsToon
NottsToon

No effect? We've heard more from the club in the last month than in the last 7 years. Even captain silent has found his tongue, if you haven't noticed the effect on a national scale then you must be blind, finally the whole of football is recognising the crime that is Newcastle United. It has taken 8 long years for a so called fan like yourself to dismiss that as "no effect". Wake up!

Alexh1984
Alexh1984

You mean the one off spurs boycott? Which I participated in. Yes that gained attention but it's not going to happen every week like you seem to be suggesting it should.

If you want a big protest you need to unite the fans, that means the 40,000 that still attended the spurs match.

Tell me apart from boycott and preach on here what else have you done?

Have you protested outside the stadium? Joined the march? Stood outside SD in the rain?

Boycotting is ok but it's also quite easy, it's going to take a lot more considering we know there's around 40,000 fans who simply won't stay away.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@Alexh1984 And why the fu@k is that? That is the whole point. What are those 40000 expecting to see coz sure enough plenty still complain. We've been TOLD what the plan is yet people still go along and then complain about wanting better things.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@Alexh1984 Unless the majority of the 52 actually do something to prove they are there, let alone protest, then things just stay the same.




Alexh1984
Alexh1984

That's life mate, I don't have the answer. As I said I joined the spurs boycott but many still go. Boycotting that game made a statement but not a big enough one.

We need to put aside our own thoughts if we want to make the biggest statement possible but just like the non boycotters won't stay away for one game the boycotters won't go for one game to try a different approach.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@Alexh1984 The issue here is the one that exists in reality.

The fan base cannot agree on anything and that is something which completely plays into Ashley's hands.

I stand by my own thoughts that the majority of so called 'supporters' these days are nothing of the sort. 

Alexh1984
Alexh1984

I agree, too many have been replaced by people who couldn't really care less about the club as long as they get a cheap afternoon out.

I was all up for the spurs boycott and it had an effect but I now want to voice my discontent. The sit in will likely fail and I'll feel let down by fellow supporters who leave the stadium quietly but I'm going to have a go.

I will try anything now, whether it works or not I want to say I tried.

NottsToon
NottsToon

Yes, I have done all that and contributed regularly on here. Apart from miss one match and sit moaning in your seat whilst handing over your money what have you done but collaborate?

Alexh1984
Alexh1984

I'm sorry but I don't believe that for one minute. Maybe I'm wrong but of the few that turned up at SD the other week I can't imagine you were one of them. As I'm guessing you live in Nottingham it'd be quite a trip to go to protest while boycotting. I too have done the above apart from the SD protest. I have also written on here but prefer to use facts and figures rather than push ideas while accusing fans of being the problem. Saying that makes your 'sit moaning' comment look quite stupid. Ashley's the problem not fellow fans.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@Alexh1984 Lads, the facts are that we will never get everyone to agree - even while most of us all agree Ashley is the fault.

We need some form of mechanism in which we can improve that and for everyone to get behind.

Presently, both approaches are half hearted. Boycott, external protests or in ground demonstrations - none of them are being taken up en masse.

Inside or outside we need to be UNITED against him and his ownership.

NottsToon
NottsToon

Believe what you want kid, makes no odds to me. Keep moaning about getting bummed every week whilst taking your seat that you paid Ashley for. As bad as a scouser, always the victim, it's never your fault.

Alexh1984
Alexh1984

And you keep up the great work with your articles that bang on and on about the same thing without finding any answers. It's working really well.

Marklp
Marklp

The vast majority, over 90% of the fans will be at SJP supporting the team, in the hope we don't go down.  Not one of them are happy with the situation but they will support the team, not the regime and many of them will protest after we have achieved safety.  That's what being a Newcastle fan is all about.  For the last thirsty five years I have supported them through thick, thicker and occasionally thinner and I will do so on Sunday.  I cant wait to see the back of cashley or at least a change of approach but to want the club to implode just to see the back of him is wrong and may actually keep him here longer. 


Those fans there on Sunday are not part of the problem at all, they are going there because they love NUFC end of story.  Anybody who is looking forward to NUFC's demise this weekend can not claim to a true Newcastle fan.  So I would say Notts Toon you are wrong and 50,000 people are right.

NottsToon
NottsToon

What on earth would possibly make you think they are right? Certainly not winning football matches, certainly not the regard they are held in by the club, certainly not the destructive act after destructive act inflicted upon what used to be a football club.

Explain to me how they are right and I am wrong. Explain to me how their support and money is rewarded. Explain to me what continuing attending the match does to benefit anyone other than Mike Ashley.

Continually providing a living backdrop to what amounts to a giant advert is a huge part of the problem, and the fact that so many blindly still do that is a knife to the throat of what used to fill so many with pride.

Your ceaseless devotion is ridiculous and treated with the utmost contempt by those in charge, if you cannot see that then you are truly a fool.

Marklp
Marklp

@NottsToon  Simply because its called blind loyalty and I for one am happy with that label, now you can say I'm a fool or a tool for saying that, not really bothered.  NUFC is the heart of the city and NUFC is bigger than Ashley and will be here when he is long gone, I like many hope its sooner rather than later and I will be hanging around after the final whistle to show my disaproval.  I have been around long enough to see worse time than this 8000 fans at home to Bristol Rovers, I didn't walk away then and I wont walk away now.

NottsToon
NottsToon

Exactly what Ashley relies on, he's laughing at you and your sit down protest.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@Marklp @NottsToon 8000 for BR, etc - let's be honest, was due to the ground being redeveloped. If you were there then you know that.

And starting a pi@@ing match as to the length of support is no use at all. I've been going since 1972 so I suggest my comments are as relevant as anyone's. I was there when we returned from the  FA Cup loss and 60,000 crammed into the ground, and 250,000 lined the streets. THAT was support. Not 52000 who can barely manage a song these days let alone a meaningful protest.

I know exactly what this Club means to me, my mates, this City and it's community. Mr MJW Ashley doesn't give a flying f@ck about it, us, you or anything else other than the 000's .on his MASH balance sheet.

I am not personally attacking anyone by the way. I just do not believe any longer that going along will change anything unless it happens at every single game, home and away.

Sadly, the supporters of old do not really make up the crowd these days as is witnessed by the lack of atmosphere and the lack of interest in trying to force change.





devonbay
devonbay

@NottsToon The sit down protest will be a farce . They'll just lock the doors and walk away chuckling to themselves . Walk out and sit down outside [ peacefully ] and there will be chaos . It's important to sit down on the road because the police won't be able to use their cavalry .

Marklp
Marklp

There was no p###ing match, just highlighting, the reason I will be support the team on Sunday is the same reason I was supporting them in the early 80s, which will never change.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@Marklp Did you protest against the Board back then? Did you ever support the Club at ANY time and were told they have no plans to compete for anything except survival and a pay day?

Nah, nor me. Even during the worst of times we have always tried to win something. Until now and Ashley.

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

Sadly I would tend to agree with you. As can be seen by some posts on this site, some so called supporters still believe the hype about Pardew and repeat journalistic garbage as though its true, even when Pardew himself has said otherwise.

Of course it goes against the grain for all supporters to not want to get behind the team at this time. But getting behind the team has done little to change anything. Actually, it's done nothing at all.

Why get behind a team belonging to an owner and his management who have told us all to our face that nothing except PL survival is their aim? Nothing else. Zero. What does anyone not understand about that?

It's been clearly spelled out, yet people still go along and are in reality supporting this approach, even if they complain afterwards. Why complain? 

We are all told what the product on offer is. If you keep going then there is no escaping the fact you are indeed supporting Ashley's ownership and approach - expecting something which you have been told REPEATEDLY is not going to happen.

Black n White madness perhaps. But it is clearly madness nonetheless. 



Wilson001
Wilson001

In all fairness we need to forget about politics behind the scenes for 90 minutes and get behind the team! Don't give them excuses to blame the fans for turning on them, be UNITED and then at the final whistle we can show our disgust at the regime. However we owe it to the history of the club to support no matter what, make St.James Park an intimidating place for one afternoon! We all want to be in the Premier League next season

Ron Knee
Ron Knee

@Wilson001 Why is relegation such a bad thing?

If we survive, it will be business as usual next season with yet another relegation battle in prospect.

If we're relegated, it MIGHT hasten the bloodsucker's departure and we might even win a few matches!

NottsToon
NottsToon

What does the club gain from being Premier League whipping boys AGAIN. Explain to me why staying up is so important?

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@Wilson001 The fact is though, the best part of the '52000' sit silently and don;t complain nor protest about anything at all.

Wilson001
Wilson001

Do we even have a Board these days? I can't imagine Ashley and Charnley conducting anything whether we stay up or go down. The only important part is that we do not turn our frustrations onto the players tomorrow and that we get behind them. Surely for one game we can all do that? No matter who gets the job there's always going to be positive/negative opinions on their appointment. However that's something to look at after 5pm tomorrow!

Ron Knee
Ron Knee

@Wilson001 What exactly are fans supporting nowadays? Can we continue to call the club NUFC? It's more like a branch of Sports DIREct.

Ron Knee
Ron Knee

@Wilson001 Do you think the Board will conduct a serious investigation if we stay up? Expect a few cosmetic changes and the appointment of a failure like Steve McClaren. What an alluring prospect!

Sickandtiredstill
Sickandtiredstill

@Wilson001 Which job? Are you going to be filled with joy if McClaren turns up here?

If the Board once again incorporates Llambias Leac, who were run out of RFC for attempting to do Ashley's bidding?

When another bunch of no names from deepest lower league Europe are rolled out, courtesy of that 53 million Ashley has in the Club accounts?

Wilson001
Wilson001

Whoever comes in as manager is just going to be under the same restrictions as previous ones. We need to support the team tomorrow as even if we do go down Ashley won't sell due to the huge losses he would make.

Wilson001
Wilson001

Does that question really need to be answered? Why would any fan settle for us to be relegated tomorrow and go into the Championship? Any Newcastle fan should be there tomorrow supporting the team and then venting their anger at the regime after the game no matter what the result is!